Topic: NEW: 3D Wall (Read 25009 times)

JimH · « **on:** September 11, 2008, 11:19:52 am »

3D Wall -- a view that shows cover art and allows you to play.

Click and drag to slide the wall. Double Click to Play. Zoom with mouse wheel.

pank2002 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 11, 2008, 12:50:41 pm »

This is pretty neat. It looks like PicLens Firefox plugin. Sweet, sweet :-)

mobyfrag · « **Reply #2 on:** September 11, 2008, 04:17:21 pm »

Wooow

It looks greaaaat

Another good job.

Matt · « **Reply #3 on:** September 11, 2008, 04:36:16 pm »

You can use up, down, left, and right to navigate also. Enter plays.

The view is called "3D Albums" if you use the default library views.

Link · « **Reply #4 on:** September 11, 2008, 04:49:32 pm »

Any way to have more than 3 high? Or jump faster? Took a loooooong time to scroll towards then end of my album list.

zxsix · « **Reply #5 on:** September 11, 2008, 10:29:26 pm »

Yeah, I'm liking this!
Would like to request the slider bar at the top to allow controlling size of the albumart thumbnails.
Would like to go a little larger that this default in some cases.
Meaning with it zoomed all the way in with the mouse wheel, still a little bigger.
What you have is a great default size. Just a little more flexibility if it's possible.
Once they are resized to a certain height, it would have to detect that covers are now running off the top and botton. At this point it should automatically re-arrange so that there's 2 rows instead of three.
Same thing if I zoom all the way out, there's wasted space at top and bottom. Should detect this and fill in a couple additional rows.

gummbah · « **Reply #6 on:** September 12, 2008, 12:37:31 am »

I have two problems with this view:

1. How do I get out of it? If I click on 3D in the pane, where I usually can change views, nothing happens.

2. In my case no album covers show up, only grey areas with the name of the album in it.

Any help on this?
Thanks!

Tolga · « **Reply #7 on:** September 12, 2008, 02:03:18 am »

Yes!
I assume that this is also going to be integrated with theater view and group selection etc.

damian_pentney · « **Reply #8 on:** September 12, 2008, 12:07:38 pm »

Very nice. Is this the successor to carousell ?

Could we get user configurable options for how many album squares are in each column and also to set the default size of the squares. Not trying to push my luck, but is there any chance of a drag and 'fling' style mousing to accelerate browsing through large collections (or at least a position bar that can be grabbed)

thanks.

llafriel · « **Reply #9 on:** September 12, 2008, 12:21:03 pm »

I'd like to use this with photos and videos too, any chance to keep aspect ratios for different images?

ConTrail · « **Reply #10 on:** September 12, 2008, 01:12:13 pm »

Quote from: gummbah on September 12, 2008, 12:37:31 am

I have two problems with this view:

1. How do I get out of it? If I click on 3D in the pane, where I usually can change views, nothing happens.

Right-click "Audio" (or whatever else you've selected) -> Customize view

Took me a while to figure that one out

ukahfur · « **Reply #11 on:** September 12, 2008, 01:44:14 pm »

Same problem here. Great concept, but there is no cover art...just gray boxes.

zxsix · « **Reply #12 on:** September 12, 2008, 03:05:44 pm »

Cover art works fine for me in audio views with flac files.
Cover art is not stored in file tags and is stored as folder.jpg in same folder as the audio files.

Perhaps those of you getting gray boxes should provide the staff with some details with how your cover art is stored and what type of audio files you use. This will help them determine if it's a bug or maybe your graphics card isn't up to the task.

Matt · « **Reply #13 on:** September 12, 2008, 07:24:02 pm »

You need to have thumbnails already created for the 3D view. It won't create them on demand like other views.

Use Auto-Import or just go to a different audio view and look through all your files until they all have a thumbnail.

datdude · « **Reply #14 on:** September 13, 2008, 12:44:00 am »

Rather than having a reflection on the bottom (in which case you can't see it when you are zoomed in) there should be a reflection on the cover art itself such that when you zoom in or out, move the wall, etc..., there should be a fixed point of light that glosses over their shiny reflection as they move. For example, look at how last.fm makes their cover art look like it has a shiny cd cover on it: http://www.last.fm/music/Lynyrd+Skynyrd/+albums.

There should be a full screen view of this, and drop down panes would be nice. Otherwise this view is only for show and it really has no real browsing use from me.

park · « **Reply #15 on:** September 13, 2008, 12:51:48 am »

This is very sexy, but has the same shortcoming as cover flow in itunes: It's too laborious to scroll through every album you have.

If you mixed this with some other filters (I'm thinking the thin drop down panes), or made a the 3D albums available for the bottom files list, then this would be an elegant and powerful way of browsing.

)p( · « **Reply #16 on:** September 13, 2008, 05:45:34 am »

Quote from: park on September 13, 2008, 12:51:48 am

If you mixed this with some other filters (I'm thinking the thin drop down panes), or made a the 3D albums available for the bottom files list, then this would be an elegant and powerful way of browsing.

Indeed a combo with the dropdown panes would be great.

Add maybe some layered backdrop textures with transparency effects for some additional bling.

peter

MrHaugen · « **Reply #17 on:** September 14, 2008, 09:26:12 am »

This look very promising! The bigges problem I got with it is the lack of option to set the speed of the scrolling, as well as that direction of the wall is way to much "directly towards" you when you hold one of the arrow buttons in for a long time. How many rows high would also be good to set.

Mr ChriZ · « **Reply #18 on:** September 15, 2008, 03:24:53 am »

It would be nice to see this split by letters of the alphabet, to remove the hugeness of scrolling through a large library.
Pressing something like page down would cause the current letters albums to flip out and the next letters to flip in.

Also a free text search built directly into it like coverflow would be a must, without needing to select the search box.
At the moment the search is loosing focus before you've even finished typing.

Also single clicking an album should recentre the view.

Finding it is to difficult, should be a big go 3D button somewhere.

Raphoune · « **Reply #19 on:** September 15, 2008, 07:32:03 am »

I had the same gray boxes problem. Open a view that loads the cover art (panes and details with an "Image (thumbnails)" column or an Album Thumbnails view) and scroll it all to force MC to load every image. Go back to the 3D view, it should be fine.

Raph

ukahfur · « **Reply #20 on:** September 15, 2008, 12:25:57 pm »

Yes, that worked for me (going to a different view and loading all the images first)

Deivit · « **Reply #21 on:** September 15, 2008, 02:13:28 pm »

You can also try forcing MC to build your missing thumbnails via Tools > Options > Tree & View > Thumbnails > Build missing thumbnails.

A good idea is to let it run overnight if you have a large library.

Mr ChriZ · « **Reply #22 on:** September 16, 2008, 07:18:05 am »

3D walls is jumpy when moving up and down using the arrow keys but perfectly smooth when moving left or right.

gappie · « **Reply #23 on:** September 16, 2008, 08:40:30 am »

Quote from: Mr ChriZ on September 16, 2008, 07:18:05 am

3D walls is jumpy when moving up and down using the arrow keys but perfectly smooth when moving left or right.

interesting enough for me its the opposite. left/right jumpy, up/down smooth

gab

Alex B · « **Reply #24 on:** September 17, 2008, 06:40:07 pm »

Quote from: JimH on September 11, 2008, 11:19:52 am

Zoom with mouse wheel.

Would it be possible to add keyboard zooming? (e.g. the + and - keys)

I'm trying to use 3D Wall on a laptop. Unfortunately its touch pad does not have a mouse wheel.

glynor · « **Reply #25 on:** September 17, 2008, 06:43:02 pm »

Quote from: Alex B on September 17, 2008, 06:40:07 pm

Unfortunately its touch pad does not have a mouse wheel.

I have so much trouble using other people's laptop's trackpads now that I've gotten used to my Macbook Pro. Two-finger scrolling is so convenient.

Non-multitouch trackpads == FAIL.

pank2002 · « **Reply #26 on:** September 18, 2008, 01:45:18 pm »

Quote from: glynor on September 17, 2008, 06:43:02 pm

I have so much trouble using other people's laptop's trackpads now that I've gotten used to my Macbook Pro. Two-finger scrolling is so convenient.

Non-multitouch trackpads == FAIL.

No TrackPoint is a minor disaster in my book . . .

datdude · « **Reply #27 on:** September 24, 2008, 10:05:44 pm »

* the rotation of the wall when dragging the mouse is a bit too touchy with a disorienting feel to it. i think it should be a bit more modulated where if i am just slightly dragging it along it shouldn't rotate but simply shift left or right on an even plane. at the same time it is a bit difficult to flip quickly through the whole library. maybe there could be a stationary mini transparent wall in the upper left hand corner where you click that and it skips to that location, kind of like a scroll bar.

* If at all possible try to not have the wall 'reset' itself so much, try to remember where the user was in terms of the zoom level.

* when locked into the back album track mode, it would be nice if you could multi select song and be able to drag them to another view.

* when flipping the albums, shouldn't the art flip backwards?

* speeding up the zoom/flip in and out of an album just a hair would help.

* can the background be a bit more translucent with maybe a bright blue for the text? the red on white just doesn't look good to me.

* adding some sort of brushed metal look to the sides of albums would look nice

* i would also really like to see drop down panes be given an option to be added.

a few bugs:

1) do a search then switch views, then back. the search term is gone, but the searched albums are still there

2) if a play an individual song it still plays all the songs in the album

3) when switching from full screen display back to normal view, my desktop shows through in place of the wall for a brief moment.

4) the thumbnails seem to have to rebuild themselves quite a bit. I guess that?s for performance?

KingDoughnut · « **Reply #28 on:** October 07, 2008, 03:44:27 pm »

3D Wall should not refresh each time a song/title etc is selected, this slows the whole refresh down...the images before the selection should be stored in cache to the refresh is a lot faster. Also the flashy name etc is not needed when a title is selected. One flash or click image of the file selected is enough to confirm the selection and thats it...

Album art that is shown in regular views do not show up in the 3D view as well...

Dutch Peter · « **Reply #29 on:** October 08, 2008, 04:17:40 am »

I have been looking for the 3D view, but I can not seem to find it.
Please provide some guidance.

benn600 · « **Reply #30 on:** October 09, 2008, 11:58:08 am »

Quote from: glynor on September 17, 2008, 06:43:02 pm

I have so much trouble using other people's laptop's trackpads now that I've gotten used to my Macbook Pro. Two-finger scrolling is so convenient.

Non-multitouch trackpads == FAIL.

Yea, me too, on my Macbook Pro right now. But how oh how do you survive without MC?? AHHHH!!!!! (this is me going insane)

Dutch Peter · « **Reply #31 on:** October 10, 2008, 05:16:26 am »

Quote from: Matt on September 11, 2008, 04:36:16 pm

You can use up, down, left, and right to navigate also. Enter plays.

The view is called "3D Albums" if you use the default library views.

I am unable to go to the 3D view?!
And I am unable to set default library views.
I am definitely overlooking something, but what???

akamia · « **Reply #32 on:** October 10, 2008, 10:13:17 am »

Hi Dutch Peter

Please go to e.g. Audio/Album/View As/More/3D.

Have fun, I get every time a crash.

Dutch Peter · « **Reply #33 on:** October 12, 2008, 06:16:38 am »

Quote from: akamia on October 10, 2008, 10:13:17 am

Hi Dutch Peter

Please go to e.g. Audio/Album/View As/More/3D.

Have fun, I get every time a crash.

Got it. Thnx.

Dutch Peter · « **Reply #34 on:** October 12, 2008, 06:36:29 am »

Play All plays all.
Clicking one song also plays also, but it starts with the song picked.
I guess that is not correct: it shoudl only play that one song ...

datdude · « **Reply #35 on:** October 12, 2008, 10:32:34 pm »

Quote from: Dutch Peter on October 12, 2008, 06:36:29 am

Play All plays all.
Clicking one song also plays also, but it starts with the song picked.
I guess that is not correct: it shoudl only play that one song ...

Yeah this new view is definitely 'Under Construction'. Can't wait to see it finished!

Matt · « **Reply #36 on:** October 14, 2008, 11:53:19 am »

Quote from: Dutch Peter on October 12, 2008, 06:36:29 am

Clicking one song also plays also, but it starts with the song picked.
I guess that is not correct: it shoudl only play that one song ...

Picking a track will play the album, starting with the selected track. This is similar to double-clicking in a list.

datdude · « **Reply #37 on:** October 14, 2008, 12:08:58 pm »

Hmm, could it be more theater view like with a check box next to each song you want played? Also we definitely need to be able to scroll and see all the songs.

datdude · « **Reply #38 on:** October 15, 2008, 11:40:42 pm »

Quote from: Matt on October 14, 2008, 11:53:19 am

Picking a track will play the album, starting with the selected track. This is similar to double-clicking in a list.

to me that makes no sense. why even show the files at all?

Dutch Peter · « **Reply #39 on:** October 16, 2008, 04:23:53 am »

Quote from: datdude on October 15, 2008, 11:40:42 pm

to me that makes no sense. why even show the files at all?

I agree. I shoudl be possible to play a couple of sonmgs from an album, leaving the bad ones out.

MrHaugen · « **Reply #40 on:** October 18, 2008, 08:01:47 am »

This looks very much like an app called Cooliris (www.cooliris.com). Would be happy if it worked more and more like that one. It looks really nice, and the scrolling and zooming is imo really good. Have not tested it yet though, so there might be keys strokes and mouse movement that is not in MC's best interest?

Another idea is that selecting an album in 3D Wall could zoom in on the album and flip the album so you have the tracks on the back side.
Then you could pick the song you like from that album, or play it all. That would be just awsome!

Matt · « **Reply #41 on:** October 18, 2008, 09:25:48 am »

Quote from: MrHaugen on October 18, 2008, 08:01:47 am

Another idea is that selecting an album in 3D Wall could zoom in on the album and flip the album so you have the tracks on the back side.
Then you could pick the song you like from that album, or play it all. That would be just awsome!

Clicking an album does just this with the newer previews.

MrHaugen · « **Reply #42 on:** October 18, 2008, 10:25:30 am »

Quote from: Matt on October 18, 2008, 09:25:48 am

Clicking an album does just this with the newer previews.

That is very sweet! I had obviously just tried an early version. Only thing to complain about would be a little slow flip speed of the covers.
Something like this sould also be more easily available for the average user. A default view under Audio maby? I had to make it my self, and it's pretty burried down in the menus.

llafriel · « **Reply #43 on:** October 18, 2008, 10:32:13 am »

I believe it is a standard view with a fresh install. It is just not there when transferring a library I think.

MrHaugen · « **Reply #44 on:** October 18, 2008, 10:39:42 am »

Quote from: llafriel on October 18, 2008, 10:32:13 am

I believe it is a standard view with a fresh install. It is just not there when transferring a library I think.

Yes, it would suprise me if it wasnt.
Is there ANY way of launching this from the Theater View btw? If not I'm afraid I would use it less than I want to.

jsimo01 · « **Reply #45 on:** October 20, 2008, 05:02:01 pm »

A Great innovation, (on a side note I am also very glad for tree-view in Videos - Great for TV Series!)

One problem i noticed though was that the 3D "CD's" can only list 10 tracks, if your album has 11 or more tracks you cannot scroll down. Would it be possible to resize the text to accommodate the entire album listing?

This would be especially important since this would no doubt be primarily used to browse a large collection.

Great Work though! I am definitely going to keep tuned as new releases are posted!

John

park · « **Reply #46 on:** October 22, 2008, 05:08:03 am »

What are the chances of implementing grouping to the 3D wall, and broader category filters above or below it? It's still just a gimmick for me until you have some way of wittling down the list of albums to a mangable amount.

Mr ChriZ · « **Reply #47 on:** October 22, 2008, 05:33:51 am »

Quote from: park on October 22, 2008, 05:08:03 am

What are the chances of implementing grouping to the 3D wall, and broader category filters above or below it? It's still just a gimmick for me until you have some way of wittling down the list of albums to a mangable amount.

My thoughts too.

runemail · « **Reply #48 on:** October 22, 2008, 12:18:57 pm »

Quote from: park on October 22, 2008, 05:08:03 am

What are the chances of implementing grouping to the 3D wall, and broader category filters above or below it? It's still just a gimmick for me until you have some way of wittling down the list of albums to a mangable amount.

Ditto

Looks cool, but still far from being useful. Loading 10000+ albums in 3d-view usually crashes MC. Im guessing they are working on the basics first before implementing filtering/grouping. Hope its worth the effort it in the end. Would be a cool way to visualise searches as well...

datdude · « **Reply #49 on:** October 22, 2008, 12:59:51 pm »

I don't know about groupings, but drop down panes would definitely 'fit' well here.

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