Topic: Time ShiftProblem (Read 3480 times)

xerius65 · « **on:** June 20, 2009, 03:20:31 am »

I have a Schuttle PC (SP25) (2400 dual core Opteron 64) running vista 32 bussiness (only version i have) that i want to use as a media center. Since the computer is small, i must use an USB analog TV card and i have tried Hauppage HVR900 (really bad) and now a Cinergy HTC USB card. Both card work with their own programs (including time shift) , but the programs are really crappy und unstable.

The JR media center is by far the best from touch and feel i have come across (not having tried the one from the evil empire). Everything works, except timeshift: Wehn I activate it, the acpect ration of the video changes and on replay i get funny colors (all red/green) while the audio is OK. If I stop the timeshift but keep the recording, i can watch it.

I tried the various encoding options but nothing really changes. Any clues ? The frame rate is quite low when timeshift is running (400) Could it be that onbord graphics card is too weak (3s chrome) ?

Media Center 13.0.171 C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center 13\

Microsoft Windows Vista 6.0 Service Pack 2 (Build 6002)
AMD Unknown 1883 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 2095 MB, Free - 1404 MB

Internet Explorer: 8.0.6001.18783 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.82.6001 / Shlwapi.dll: 6.0.6002 / Shell32.dll: 6.0.6002 / wnaspi32.dll: N/A
Ripping / Drive E: TSSTcorpCD/DVDW SH-W162C Mode:Normal Type:Auto Speed:Max
Digital playback: Yes / Get cover art: Yes / Calc replay gain: Yes / Copy volume: 32767
Eject after ripping: Yes / Play sound after ripping: No

Burning / Drive E: TSSTcorp CD/DVDW SH-W162C Addr: 0:0:0 Speed:4 MaxSpeed:4 BurnProof:Yes
Test mode: No / Eject after writing: Yes / Direct decoding: Yes / Write CD-Text: Yes
Use playback settings: No /

Portable Device Info
Removed devices:

Interface Plugins:
last.fm (Active)
Library Server (Active/Enabled)
TiVo Server (Active/Enabled)
UPnP Server (Active)

JimH · « **Reply #1 on:** June 20, 2009, 08:17:08 am »

If it works in normal viewing, then the graphics card is good enough.

What happens if you try to record a program? Does that work?

I use USB TV sticks on several machines. They work well.

You said frame rate of 400. What do you mean by that?

MC has logging under Help. Try turning it on and reading the logs. It might provide a clue.

xerius65 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 26, 2009, 11:01:06 am »

Thanks, recording works too. I can even watch the time-shift recordings if i stop and keep them afterwards and they come out right. With frame-rate I mean the number in the blend-in menu on top of the screen in thime-shift mode.

I will try to log stuff.

Yaobing · « **Reply #3 on:** June 26, 2009, 03:33:39 pm »

Quote from: xerius65 on June 26, 2009, 11:01:06 am

I will try to log stuff.

Before resorting to sending logs, please first try posting the following two pieces of info:

1. While you are doing time-shifting, right-click and find DirectShow Filters > Copy graph info to clipboard, and post it here.

2. On TV view, Configure... > Settings... click Copy television related filter info to clipboard, and post it here.

Thanks.

xerius65 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 27, 2009, 06:57:24 am »

Quote from: Yaobing on June 26, 2009, 03:33:39 pm

Before resorting to sending logs, please first try posting the following two pieces of info:

1. While you are doing time-shifting, right-click and find DirectShow Filters > Copy graph info to clipboard, and post it here.

Filter Graph Info (Time-shifting writer graph): THIS IS WHILE SHIFTING (NOT PLAYING BACK)

   Filter 'MJTSWriterFilter'
   CLSID: {CBE332C2-ED6F-482D-8497-AB51CA0419B7}
   Host: C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center 13\TV\MJTSFileWriter.ax
   Input Pin 'Input'
   Connected to pin 'out0' of filter 'WMAudio Encoder DMO'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {00000161-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
   Input Pin 'Input'
   Connected to pin 'XForm Out' of filter 'JRiver Video Codec 1.0'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_Video Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {3156524A-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo

   Filter 'JRiver Video Codec 1.0'
   CLSID: {E9DF718B-E309-4737-9E1F-213B08A126DC}
   Host: C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center 13\TV\MJVideoEncoder.ax
   Input Pin 'XForm In'
   Connected to pin 'Capture' of filter 'Smart Tee 0002'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_Video Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_YUY2, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo
   Output Pin 'XForm Out'
   Connected to pin 'Input' of filter 'MJTSWriterFilter'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_Video Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {3156524A-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo

   Filter 'WMAudio Encoder DMO'
   CLSID: {94297043-BD82-4DFD-B0DE-8177739C6D20}
   Host: qasf.dll
   Input Pin 'in0'
   Connected to pin 'Capture' of filter 'Smart Tee'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
   Output Pin 'out0'
   Connected to pin 'Input' of filter 'MJTSWriterFilter'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {00000161-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

   Filter 'Smart Tee 0002'
   CLSID: {CC58E280-8AA1-11D1-B3F1-00AA003761C5}
   Host: qcap.dll
   Input Pin 'Input'
   Connected to pin 'Capture' of filter 'Cinergy HTC USB XS Analog Capture'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_Video Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_YUY2, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo
   Output Pin 'Capture'
   Connected to pin 'XForm In' of filter 'JRiver Video Codec 1.0'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_Video Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_YUY2, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo
   Output Pin 'Preview'

   Filter 'Smart Tee'
   CLSID: {CC58E280-8AA1-11D1-B3F1-00AA003761C5}
   Host: qcap.dll
   Input Pin 'Input'
   Connected to pin 'Audio' of filter 'Cinergy HTC USB XS Analog Capture'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
   Output Pin 'Capture'
   Connected to pin 'in0' of filter 'WMAudio Encoder DMO'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
   Output Pin 'Preview'

   Filter 'Cinergy HTC USB XS Analog Capture'
   CLSID: {17CCA71B-ECD7-11D0-B908-00A0C9223196}
   Host: ksproxy.ax
   Output Pin 'Capture'
   Connected to pin 'Input' of filter 'Smart Tee 0002'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_Video Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_YUY2, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo
   Input Pin 'Analoger Videoeingang'
   Connected to pin '0: Video Decoder Out' of filter 'Cinergy HTC USB XS Analog Crossbar'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_AnalogVideo Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_None, Format type FORMAT_AnalogVideo
   Output Pin 'VBI'
   Output Pin 'Audio'
   Connected to pin 'Input' of filter 'Smart Tee'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
   Input Pin 'Analog Audio In'
   Connected to pin '1: Audio Decoder Out' of filter 'Cinergy HTC USB XS Analog Crossbar'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_AnalogAudio Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_None, Format type FORMAT_None

   Filter 'Cinergy HTC USB XS Analog Crossbar'
   CLSID: {71F96460-78F3-11D0-A18C-00A0C9118956}
   Host: ksxbar.ax
   Input Pin '0: Video Tuner In'
   Connected to pin 'Analog Video' of filter 'Cinergy HTC USB XS Analog TV Tuner'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_AnalogVideo Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_None, Format type FORMAT_AnalogVideo
   Input Pin '1: Video Composite In'
   Input Pin '2: Video SVideo In'
   Input Pin '3: Audio Tuner In'
   Connected to pin 'TVAudio Out' of filter 'Cinergy HTC USB XS Analog TV Audio'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_AnalogAudio Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_None, Format type FORMAT_None
   Input Pin '4: Audio Line In'
   Output Pin '0: Video Decoder Out'
   Connected to pin 'Analoger Videoeingang' of filter 'Cinergy HTC USB XS Analog Capture'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_AnalogVideo Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_None, Format type FORMAT_AnalogVideo
   Output Pin '1: Audio Decoder Out'
   Connected to pin 'Analog Audio In' of filter 'Cinergy HTC USB XS Analog Capture'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_AnalogAudio Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_None, Format type FORMAT_None

   Filter 'Cinergy HTC USB XS Analog TV Audio'
   CLSID: {71F96462-78F3-11D0-A18C-00A0C9118956}
   Host: ksxbar.ax
   Input Pin 'TVAudio In'
   Connected to pin 'Analog Audio' of filter 'Cinergy HTC USB XS Analog TV Tuner'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_AnalogAudio Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_None, Format type FORMAT_None
   Output Pin 'TVAudio Out'
   Connected to pin '3: Audio Tuner In' of filter 'Cinergy HTC USB XS Analog Crossbar'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_AnalogAudio Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_None, Format type FORMAT_None

   Filter 'Cinergy HTC USB XS Analog TV Tuner'
   CLSID: {266EEE40-6C63-11CF-8A03-00AA006ECB65}
   Host: kstvtune.ax
   Output Pin 'Analog Video'
   Connected to pin '0: Video Tuner In' of filter 'Cinergy HTC USB XS Analog Crossbar'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_AnalogVideo Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_None, Format type FORMAT_AnalogVideo
   Output Pin 'Analog Audio'
   Connected to pin 'TVAudio In' of filter 'Cinergy HTC USB XS Analog TV Audio'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_AnalogAudio Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_None, Format type FORMAT_None
_________________________________________________________________________

Filter Graph Info (Time-shifting player graph):

   Filter 'Video Renderer'
   CLSID: {B87BEB7B-8D29-423F-AE4D-6582C10175AC}
   Host: quartz.dll
   Input Pin 'VMR Input0'
   Connected to pin 'XForm Out' of filter 'JRiver Video Decoder Filter'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_Video Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_UYVY, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo

   Filter 'Default DirectSound Device'
   CLSID: {79376820-07D0-11CF-A24D-0020AFD79767}
   Host: quartz.dll
   Input Pin 'Audio Input pin (rendered)'
   Connected to pin 'out0' of filter 'WMAudio Decoder DMO'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

   Filter 'JRiver Video Decoder Filter'
   CLSID: {D48A7170-C1D8-4C3C-9695-26F323063405}
   Host: C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center 13\TV\MJVideoDecoder.ax
   Input Pin 'XForm In'
   Connected to pin 'Output' of filter 'JRiver Media Proxy Video'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_Video Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {3156524A-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo
   Output Pin 'XForm Out'
   Connected to pin 'VMR Input0' of filter 'Video Renderer'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_Video Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_UYVY, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo

   Filter 'WMAudio Decoder DMO'
   CLSID: {94297043-BD82-4DFD-B0DE-8177739C6D20}
   Host: qasf.dll
   Input Pin 'in0'
   Connected to pin 'Output' of filter 'JRiver Media Proxy Audio'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {00000161-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
   Output Pin 'out0'
   Connected to pin 'Audio Input pin (rendered)' of filter 'Default DirectSound Device'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

   Filter 'JRiver Media Proxy Video'
   CLSID: {A4207487-E7D8-406B-9882-B66370DE2492}
   Host:
   Input Pin 'Input'
   Connected to pin 'Video Output' of filter 'MJTSReaderFilter'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_Video Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {3156524A-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo
   Output Pin 'Output'
   Connected to pin 'XForm In' of filter 'JRiver Video Decoder Filter'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_Video Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {3156524A-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo

   Filter 'JRiver Media Proxy Audio'
   CLSID: {A4207487-E7D8-406B-9882-B66370DE2492}
   Host:
   Input Pin 'Input'
   Connected to pin 'Audio Output' of filter 'MJTSReaderFilter'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {00000161-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
   Output Pin 'Output'
   Connected to pin 'in0' of filter 'WMAudio Decoder DMO'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {00000161-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

   Filter 'MJTSReaderFilter'
   CLSID: {8303B00A-D9E3-4BD7-A79A-AD7077F54123}
   Host: C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center 13\TV\MJTSFileReader.ax
   Output Pin 'Audio Output'
   Connected to pin 'Input' of filter 'JRiver Media Proxy Audio'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {00000161-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
   Output Pin 'Video Output'
   Connected to pin 'Input' of filter 'JRiver Media Proxy Video'
   Major type MEDIATYPE_Video Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {3156524A-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo

================== END =========================================

Thanks!!

xerius65 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 27, 2009, 06:58:15 am »

Quote from: Yaobing on June 26, 2009, 03:33:39 pm

Before resorting to sending logs, please first try posting the following two pieces of info:

1. While you are doing time-shifting, right-click and find DirectShow Filters > Copy graph info to clipboard, and post it here.

2. On TV view, Configure... > Settings... click Copy television related filter info to clipboard, and post it here.

Thanks.

2. On TV view, Configure... > Settings... click Copy television related filter info to clipboard, and post it here.

KSCATEGORY_BDA_NETWORK_TUNER filters

Cinergy HTC USB XS Digital Tuner
@device:pnp:\\?\usb#vid_0ccd&pid_008e#081102000060#{71985f48-1ca1-11d3-9cc8-00c04f7971e0}\{7c8095ab-c110-40e5-9f4d-310858bbbf64}
Input Pin 'Input0'
Output Pin 'MPEG2 Transport'

KSCATEGORY_BDA_RECEIVER_COMPONENT filters

Cinergy HTC USB XS Digital Capture
@device:pnp:\\?\usb#vid_0ccd&pid_008e#081102000060#{fd0a5af4-b41d-11d2-9c95-00c04f7971e0}\{bc102acb-6095-451d-8ed6-16cf3c832ebc}
Input Pin 'MPEG2 Transport'
Output Pin 'MPEG2 Transport'

AM_KSCATEGORY_CAPTURE filters

Envy24 Family Audio (WDM)
@device:pnp:\\?\pci#ven_1412&dev_1724&subsys_50361297&rev_01#4&13699180&0&3048#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\wave
Input Pin 'DAC'
Output Pin 'Summe'
Output Pin 'Aufnahme'
Input Pin 'ADC'
Input Pin 'Input4'
Input Pin 'SPDIF-Schnittstelle'

Cinergy HTC USB XS Analog Capture
@device:pnp:\\?\usb#vid_0ccd&pid_008e#081102000060#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\{54353d15-e717-4d94-b574-685ce1a209e9}
Output Pin 'Capture'
Input Pin 'Analoger Videoeingang'
Output Pin 'VBI'
Output Pin 'Audio'
Input Pin 'Analog Audio In'

KSCATEGORY_ENCODER filters

KSCATEGORY_MULTIPLEXER filters

AM_KSCATEGORY_CROSSBAR filters

Cinergy HTC USB XS Analog Crossbar
@device:pnp:\\?\usb#vid_0ccd&pid_008e#081102000060#{a799a801-a46d-11d0-a18c-00a02401dcd4}\{c2c9fb1b-795c-4b12-adbe-d87c6a1d08fc}
Input Pin '0: Video Tuner In'
Input Pin '1: Video Composite In'
Input Pin '2: Video SVideo In'
Input Pin '3: Audio Tuner In'
Input Pin '4: Audio Line In'
Output Pin '0: Video Decoder Out'
Output Pin '1: Audio Decoder Out'

AM_KSCATEGORY_TVTUNER filters

Cinergy HTC USB XS Analog TV Tuner
@device:pnp:\\?\usb#vid_0ccd&pid_008e#081102000060#{a799a800-a46d-11d0-a18c-00a02401dcd4}\{12af27fc-0911-461f-b190-d31117e603d0}
Output Pin 'Analog Video'
Output Pin 'Analog Audio'

AM_KSCATEGORY_TVAUDIO filters

Cinergy HTC USB XS Analog TV Audio
@device:pnp:\\?\usb#vid_0ccd&pid_008e#081102000060#{a799a802-a46d-11d0-a18c-00a02401dcd4}\{08d111ea-ee84-4ddc-99b5-8885c6c64fcb}
Input Pin 'TVAudio In'
Output Pin 'TVAudio Out'

AM_KSCATEGORY_VBICODEC filters

TerraTec Teletext Decoder
@device:sw:{07DAD660-22F1-11D1-A9F4-00C04FBBDE8F}\{21B97D21-EC66-11D3-8398-0800096F616B}
Input Pin 'XForm In'
Output Pin 'XForm Out'

[/quote]

Yaobing · « **Reply #6 on:** June 27, 2009, 03:50:44 pm »

Your aspect ratio problem most likely was caused by the selection of "Recording Profile". If you select a Recording Profile that specifies 640 x 240 video, you would get just that when used in combination of Aspect Ratio setting of "Source Aspect Ratio".

To view the video in correct aspect ratio, you have two options - choose a different profile that specifies 640 x 480 (or 320 x 240), or set Aspect Ratio setting to "4 x 3".

You can also experiment with creating your own Recording Profile. The wizard will take you through several steps in which you can specify video size (such as 640 x 480, 720 x 480 etc.) and a video compressor - depending on what is available on your system. You may also choose an audio compressor.

xerius65 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 28, 2009, 02:27:38 pm »

Thanks, but my main problem is the colors. When I timeshift, the colors look like this:

http://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/dfstools?CUSTOMERNO=15832421&t=de728402806.1246216868.15eb7ff&action=fullscreen&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fservice%2Egmx%2Enet%2Fde%2Fcgi%2Fdfsimg?CUSTOMERNO%3D15832421%26t%3Dde728402806%2E1246216868%2E15eb7ff%26folder=%252FMeine%2BDokumente%252F%26file=DSC09553%252EJPG%26f=fullscreen

After I quit timeshioft and play back the file it looks like this:

http://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/dfstools?CUSTOMERNO=15832421&t=de728402806.1246216868.15eb7ff&action=fullscreen&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fservice%2Egmx%2Enet%2Fde%2Fcgi%2Fdfsimg?CUSTOMERNO%3D15832421%26t%3Dde728402806%2E1246216868%2E15eb7ff%26folder=%252FMeine%2BDokumente%252F%26file=DSC09555%252EJPG%26f=fullscreen

Meaning: the data in the file is OK, but concurrent recording and playing seems to cause problems.

Yaobing · « **Reply #8 on:** June 28, 2009, 02:56:42 pm »

I can not see your screenshots, but I understand what you try to tell us.

I am not sure whether the problem is due to your video card or due to JRiver video encoder. Creating a new Recording Profile using a different video encoder might just solve the problem for you. A different DirectShow filter combination sometimes can produce very different result.

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Author Topic: Time ShiftProblem (Read 3480 times)

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