Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[ShayB]

Hi,

Since MC can update the database fields using external information, can it also import/fix missing/misspelled names / artist names / genre ... based on the music itself?
if not directly, maybe using some kind of shazam API?

[HTPC4ME]

Been wanting this myself.. Great idea!
Be much better having it inside jriver then having to use 3rd party software.

[sunfire7]

would be great! little things like this is what make non-tech people prefer certain product!

[MrHaugen]

Good idea. Could prove very useful. Perhaps it could be done silently as a background task to tag all data as well? Only thing I'm skeptical about is how the tags for complete albums would look like after this.

[JimH]

Since MC can update the database fields using external information, can it also import/fix missing/misspelled names / artist names / genre ... based on the music itself?

Library Tools has a "Look up track info" option.  It uses the sound to find the right music, then uses the metadata from our database to fill tags.

[MrHaugen]

Right. That's the part of the sound track fingerprinting introduced a while back. It should work very much like the Shazam service. Are this MC fingerprinting done during the audio analyzing, and how is it uploaded? I'd be interested in adding my library to the database, as it is pretty well tagged.

How is the tags from the database downloaded? Can you risk getting lots of different genres on different tracks in the same album for instance?

[JimH]

Upload is in the same location.  Thanks for helping.

[ShayB]

Library Tools has a "Look up track info" option.  It uses the sound to find the right music, then uses the metadata from our database to fill tags.

I have tried it in MC14 and MC16 using several songs which are / were popular but every time I got
"File information was retrieved for 0 of 1 files"
I select a song entry and use the right button menu to select the above operation. Am I doing something wrong? are there options that must be set before using this action?

[MrHaugen]

So it's the "Submit Track Info to Online Database" then. The counterpart to "Lookup....". I was not aware that this also includes the audio fingerprinting, but it sounds very logical.
The problem that you don't get a hit using this lookup function is probably just that there have not been enough contributions to the database yet.

[ShayB]

So it's the "Submit Track Info to Online Database" then. The counterpart to "Lookup....". I was not aware that this also includes the audio fingerprinting, but it sounds very logical.
The problem that you don't get a hit using this lookup function is probably just that there have not been enough contributions to the database yet.

... I will try with additional songs today....
what bothers me is that the MC database may not be using all of its available resources such as interfacing with other databases like U-Tube.
Using shazam I got close to 100% hit while looking for un-popular songs.
In MC I've tried to look up songs which are so popular that the number of WEB URL hits was huge, yet, MC didn't match, not even once ..
Is there a way to debug the process of audio signaturing? control the hit criteria perhaps?

[ShayB]

ok
here are some interesting results using MC14.0.161 on win7:
1. No file was found using the lookup tool! when I submitted a song with missing fields and then looked-it up again it matched and brought information such as "year" and "album" back (which wasn't in my database).  so, there is a bug - you need to submit in order to look it up...
2. I took a song which lookup didn't match. I changed its "name' and "artist" fields as if it was a different song. did the above and it matched and brought information relevant to the changed fields. basically, the lookup too doesn't do a sound signature at all or at least doesn't check it.

Can someone (developers) explain to me why the strange behavior?

[MrHaugen]

Is this functionality really in MC 14 at all? You know you are on the MC 16 Beta forum now? Perhaps just a number slip on your part? I'm not certain when the audio signature is produced and comparison is done. A sound guess would be that the "signature" is made when using the audio analysis?

[ShayB]

Is this functionality really in MC 14 at all? You know you are on the MC 16 Beta forum now? Perhaps just a number slip on your part? I'm not certain when the audio signature is produced and comparison is done. A sound guess would be that the "signature" is made when using the audio analysis?

Actually my experiments were on MC14 and MC16. again, very famous artists and songs.
Also, I have noticed that before "lookup" you must do "submit". Also, the artist must be filled correctly. This is the only way I could retrieve information. the information was "name", "genre", "date", "track" (maybe album), but no lyrics..