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[squeedle]

Can anyone explain approximately how the "virtual subwoofer" feature works? Not, "how do I use it?", but "how does it do what it does?". The reason I ask is that all the similar effects (SRS, Waves MaxxBass, etc.) seem to muddy up the audio a lot by adding harmonics that trick your ear into hearing bass notes that aren't actually there. But the jriver "virtual subwoofer" effect seems to accomplish this without muddying up the sound, it just sounds fantastic. So I'm just wondering what it's actually doing behind the scenes. Would love some more info!

[sunfire7]

I think thats secret info 

[JimH]

Top Secret.

[squeedle]

I'm not sure if you guys are joking around about the "secret" thing or not...? But I am really curious what this effect does. And I'd also suggest selling it as a standalone VST/DX plug-in, as it's preferable to the likes of MaxxBass and its ilk, which are the current standard for bass enhancement.

[JimH]

I'm sorry.  It isn't a joke.  Thanks for your interest in it in any case.

[Frobozz]

The Virtual Subwoofer effect is surprisingly effective and clean sounding.  Not as muddy as other virtual sub effects I've tried.

It sounds like a mix of the phantom fundamental effect along with some magic thump enhancement.  Surprisingly effective with headphones like my Sennheiser HD600 and Grado SR60/SR325is.  Maybe one reason it works so well with those headphones is that those headphones may have been used to tune and develop the effect. 

Tricks with pseudo fundamentals are also used in some pipe organ stops to give the effect of a 32-foot stop using 16-foot pipes.  I've heard some organs live that use that effect for a 32-foot stop.  For example the Glenn Memorial Organ at Emory University.  Works well.  Not as strong as what a true 32-foot pipe would be, but does the trick effectively.

Some songs need a little bass help with the HD600 or Grados.  Usually if I enable the Virtual Sub it is at the 6" setting.  Sometimes 8".  Occasionally at 10" if the song or music requires that much boost.

For example R.E.M.'s Eponymous sounds thin on the Senns and Grados.  The 6" virtual sub fixes that nicely.  Rescues the album better than trying to do a bass boost with EQ.

Another example is Iron Maiden.  It needs bass drum thump enhancement and some boost to get the bass driving the music.  Especially with songs like The Trooper (the galloping bass makes that song).  Unfortunately the Grados and Senn HD600 don't bring out that aspect of the bass.  Virtual Sub to the rescue.  Iron Maiden is one where I do 8" or sometimes 10" with the Senns or Grados.

Another example is Nirvana's Nevermind.  That album is a bass disaster on the Senn HD600 and Grados without the virtual sub.  8" or 10" sub to the rescue.

My Denon D2000 headphones do low sub bass very well and plenty strong.  I've never needed to use the virtual sub effect with the Denons. 

Anyways, I love that virtual sub effect.  Really saves the day when it's needed.  Especially with some headphones that are limited in bass extension and punch.  Sometimes though I do wish for a 9" sub for when the 10" is too much and the 8" not quite enough (like with some songs on Nirvana Nevermind on the HD600).

[flac.rules]

I'm sorry.  It isn't a joke.  Thanks for your interest in it in any case.

Frankly i wish MC could be a bit more open about the general principals used for sound enhancement, I doubt they are base on entirely new acoustical principals not known from beforehand, so just knowing the principle, without the specific implementation hardly seems like much of a trade secret, and is very useful for the customers.

[JimH]

Our efforts are often transparent, but not always.  If we were to answer every question about our development, we would not get much done.  Sorry if you would like more than we provide.

[flac.rules]

Our efforts are often transparent, but not always.  If we were to answer every question about our development, we would not get much done.  Sorry if you would like more than we provide.

That is understandable, but your posts gives the impression that the reason for not giving and answer in this case is wanting to keep it a secret, not that it would be too time-consuming to answer.

[Mikkel]

Seeing that some of the interested users are still active here I'll hazard a guess in this old thread:

The only way to get more bass is to boost it in the frequency band of interest (which is below 100 hz). Since small drivers in speakers cannot produce enough sound pressure at low frequencies a "trick" is to boost the area around 80 hz, which gives the impression of "more bass". There may be psycho acoustics involved to do various other things but more bass requires boosting bass.


Best regards,
Mikkel

[helloct]

That Virtual Subwoofer still amaze me. The only other music player I know that has similar technology is Poweramp on Anadroid.
And for unknown reason, it don't sound the same anymore since MC v17. It's still available on Media Jukebox 14 though.

[rythmdivine]

Hi all,

Apologies for posting here. My external encoder setting does not work. Conversion stops at 50%. I am confused. To be sure, it's a Nero encoder and it works in MusicBee. I have also checked the settings but cannot find anything wrong. I even changed the root folder of the encoder to be sure it's not a file access problem, but no luck. The attached screenshot is about the 15th time of trying with no joy.

Please help!