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[JustinChase]

Here is the graph before I changed streams

Filter Graph Info:

    Filter 'DirectSound: AMD HDMI Output (AMD High Definition Audio Device)'
        CLSID: {79376820-07D0-11CF-A24D-0020AFD79767}
        Host: c:\windows\syswow64\quartz.dll
        Input Pin 'Audio Input pin (rendered)'
            Connected to pin 'XForm Out' of filter 'ArcSoft Audio Decoder HD'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

    Filter 'madVR'
        CLSID: {E1A8B82A-32CE-4B0D-BE0D-AA68C772E423}
        Host: c:\program files (x86)\madvr\madvr.ax
        Input Pin 'Input'
            Connected to pin 'Out' of filter 'ffdshow Video Decoder'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_YV12, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo2

    Filter 'ArcSoft Audio Decoder HD'
        CLSID: {1A89085B-B654-4ED8-8831-5AC629A05FF5}
        Host: c:\program files (x86)\hd audio\asaudiohd+.ax
        Input Pin 'XForm In'
            Connected to pin 'Audio' of filter 'LAV Splitter'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_DOLBY_AC3, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
        Output Pin 'XForm Out'
            Connected to pin 'Audio Input pin (rendered)' of filter 'DirectSound: AMD HDMI Output (AMD High Definition Audio Device)'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

    Filter 'ffdshow Video Decoder'
        CLSID: {04FE9017-F873-410E-871E-AB91661A4EF7}
        Host: c:\program files (x86)\ffdshow\ffdshow.ax
        Input Pin 'In'
            Connected to pin 'Video' of filter 'LAV Splitter'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {31435641-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_MPEG2_VIDEO
        Output Pin 'Out'
            Connected to pin 'Input' of filter 'madVR'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_YV12, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo2
        Input Pin 'In Text'

    Filter 'LAV Splitter'
        CLSID: {171252A0-8820-4AFE-9DF8-5C92B2D66B04}
        Host: c:\program files (x86)\lav filters\x86\lavsplitter.ax
        Input Pin 'Input'
            Connected to pin 'Output' of filter 'File Source (Async.)'
            Major type TIME_FORMAT_NONE  Sub type TIME_FORMAT_NONE, Format type TIME_FORMAT_NONE
        Output Pin 'Video'
            Connected to pin 'In' of filter 'ffdshow Video Decoder'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {31435641-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_MPEG2_VIDEO
        Output Pin 'Audio'
            Connected to pin 'XForm In' of filter 'ArcSoft Audio Decoder HD'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_DOLBY_AC3, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

    Filter 'File Source (Async.)'
        CLSID: {E436EBB5-524F-11CE-9F53-0020AF0BA770}
        Host: c:\windows\syswow64\quartz.dll
        Output Pin 'Output'
            Connected to pin 'Input' of filter 'LAV Splitter'
            Major type TIME_FORMAT_NONE  Sub type TIME_FORMAT_NONE, Format type TIME_FORMAT_NONE

Here is the graph after I changed streams

Filter Graph Info:

    Filter 'DirectSound: AMD HDMI Output (AMD High Definition Audio Device)'
        CLSID: {79376820-07D0-11CF-A24D-0020AFD79767}
        Host: c:\windows\syswow64\quartz.dll
        Input Pin 'Audio Input pin (rendered)'
            Connected to pin 'XForm Out' of filter 'LAV Audio Decoder'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

    Filter 'madVR'
        CLSID: {E1A8B82A-32CE-4B0D-BE0D-AA68C772E423}
        Host: c:\program files (x86)\madvr\madvr.ax
        Input Pin 'Input'
            Connected to pin 'Out' of filter 'ffdshow Video Decoder'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_YV12, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo2

    Filter 'LAV Audio Decoder'
        CLSID: {E8E73B6B-4CB3-44A4-BE99-4F7BCB96E491}
        Host: c:\program files (x86)\lav filters\x86\lavaudio.ax
        Input Pin 'XForm In'
            Connected to pin 'Audio' of filter 'LAV Splitter'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_DOLBY_AC3, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
        Output Pin 'XForm Out'
            Connected to pin 'Audio Input pin (rendered)' of filter 'DirectSound: AMD HDMI Output (AMD High Definition Audio Device)'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

    Filter 'ffdshow Video Decoder'
        CLSID: {04FE9017-F873-410E-871E-AB91661A4EF7}
        Host: c:\program files (x86)\ffdshow\ffdshow.ax
        Input Pin 'In'
            Connected to pin 'Video' of filter 'LAV Splitter'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {31435641-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_MPEG2_VIDEO
        Output Pin 'Out'
            Connected to pin 'Input' of filter 'madVR'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_YV12, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo2
        Input Pin 'In Text'

    Filter 'LAV Splitter'
        CLSID: {171252A0-8820-4AFE-9DF8-5C92B2D66B04}
        Host: c:\program files (x86)\lav filters\x86\lavsplitter.ax
        Input Pin 'Input'
            Connected to pin 'Output' of filter 'File Source (Async.)'
            Major type TIME_FORMAT_NONE  Sub type TIME_FORMAT_NONE, Format type TIME_FORMAT_NONE
        Output Pin 'Video'
            Connected to pin 'In' of filter 'ffdshow Video Decoder'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {31435641-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_MPEG2_VIDEO
        Output Pin 'Audio'
            Connected to pin 'XForm In' of filter 'LAV Audio Decoder'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_DOLBY_AC3, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

    Filter 'File Source (Async.)'
        CLSID: {E436EBB5-524F-11CE-9F53-0020AF0BA770}
        Host: c:\windows\syswow64\quartz.dll
        Output Pin 'Output'
            Connected to pin 'Input' of filter 'LAV Splitter'
            Major type TIME_FORMAT_NONE  Sub type TIME_FORMAT_NONE, Format type TIME_FORMAT_NONE

Notice how the first graph shows ArcSoft Audio Decoder and the second graph shows LAV Audio Decoder 

Anyone got any ideas how this can happen, or what I can do to "fix" it?

I don't see much point in trying to continue testing other stuff when this is clearly not working properly. 

[JustinChase]

Just for laughs, I removed LAV Audio Decoder from the options in MC and saved, immediately reopened options and added it back in and saved.

So I have the same filters selected, but in a different order, and it plays sound immediately.  (I actually used a different file that has the same issue for this test)

However, this time, it shows BOTH ArcSoft Audio Decoder & LAV Audio Decoder in the chain!!!

Here is that graph

Filter Graph Info:

    Filter 'DirectSound: AMD HDMI Output (AMD High Definition Audio Device)'
        CLSID: {79376820-07D0-11CF-A24D-0020AFD79767}
        Host: c:\windows\syswow64\quartz.dll
        Input Pin 'Audio Input pin (rendered)'
            Connected to pin 'XForm Out' of filter 'ArcSoft Audio Decoder HD'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

    Filter 'madVR'
        CLSID: {E1A8B82A-32CE-4B0D-BE0D-AA68C772E423}
        Host: c:\program files (x86)\madvr\madvr.ax
        Input Pin 'Input'
            Connected to pin 'Out' of filter 'ffdshow Video Decoder'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_YV12, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo2

    Filter 'ArcSoft Audio Decoder HD'
        CLSID: {1A89085B-B654-4ED8-8831-5AC629A05FF5}
        Host: c:\program files (x86)\hd audio\asaudiohd+.ax
        Input Pin 'XForm In'
            Connected to pin 'XForm Out' of filter 'LAV Audio Decoder'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
        Output Pin 'XForm Out'
            Connected to pin 'Audio Input pin (rendered)' of filter 'DirectSound: AMD HDMI Output (AMD High Definition Audio Device)'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

    Filter 'ffdshow Video Decoder'
        CLSID: {04FE9017-F873-410E-871E-AB91661A4EF7}
        Host: c:\program files (x86)\ffdshow\ffdshow.ax
        Input Pin 'In'
            Connected to pin 'Video' of filter 'LAV Splitter'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {31435641-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_MPEG2_VIDEO
        Output Pin 'Out'
            Connected to pin 'Input' of filter 'madVR'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_YV12, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo2
        Input Pin 'In Text'

    Filter 'LAV Audio Decoder'
        CLSID: {E8E73B6B-4CB3-44A4-BE99-4F7BCB96E491}
        Host: c:\program files (x86)\lav filters\x86\lavaudio.ax
        Input Pin 'XForm In'
            Connected to pin 'Audio' of filter 'LAV Splitter'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_DOLBY_AC3, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
        Output Pin 'XForm Out'
            Connected to pin 'XForm In' of filter 'ArcSoft Audio Decoder HD'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

    Filter 'LAV Splitter'
        CLSID: {171252A0-8820-4AFE-9DF8-5C92B2D66B04}
        Host: c:\program files (x86)\lav filters\x86\lavsplitter.ax
        Input Pin 'Input'
            Connected to pin 'Output' of filter 'File Source (Async.)'
            Major type TIME_FORMAT_NONE  Sub type TIME_FORMAT_NONE, Format type TIME_FORMAT_NONE
        Output Pin 'Video'
            Connected to pin 'In' of filter 'ffdshow Video Decoder'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {31435641-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_MPEG2_VIDEO
        Output Pin 'Audio'
            Connected to pin 'XForm In' of filter 'LAV Audio Decoder'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_DOLBY_AC3, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

    Filter 'File Source (Async.)'
        CLSID: {E436EBB5-524F-11CE-9F53-0020AF0BA770}
        Host: c:\windows\syswow64\quartz.dll
        Output Pin 'Output'
            Connected to pin 'Input' of filter 'LAV Splitter'
            Major type TIME_FORMAT_NONE  Sub type TIME_FORMAT_NONE, Format type TIME_FORMAT_NONE

[Daydream]

Explain why do you have both ArcSoft Audio Decoder & LAV Audio Decoder installed. Your receiver can handle both Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA. So why decode anything? LAV should be able to bitstream on its own.

[JustinChase]

Explain why do you have both ArcSoft Audio Decoder & LAV Audio Decoder installed. Your receiver can handle both Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA. So why decode anything? LAV should be able to bitstream on its own.

It was in there (I knew someone would ask)...

I have LAV Audio setup to bitstream every file type it offers, except DTS-HD (to let ArcSoft take control of those streams)

I thought I'd ready that LAV can't bitstream DTS-HD, and this was the workaround.  could certainly be wrong about that.

However, that still doesn't explain why it's trying to decode streams that LAV is set to handle, or how it's connecting to 2 audio filters simultaneously

this is an AC-3 audio stream we're talking about

At the end of the day, I just want to bitstream everything possible, with as few filters/codecs as necessary.

if you've got some suggestions on how to do that, I'm all ears

thanks

[Daydream]

LAV Audio should be able to bitstream everything - ver 0.25.

In your case what probably happens is one filters decodes the stream, and the other tries to bitstream the resultant PCM. Between that and whatever other priorities and options are set in MC, something's going nuts. If it doesn't brake your setup in other places, I'd say get rid of Arcsoft (uninstall it, don't play with merits and options) and try again (to play, switch tracks, etc - these things should work without problems). Of course, if something goes seriously nuts or if you open an option in MC and get teleported straight into outer space - it's not my fault.

BTW I have the same video card as you, and an Onkyo receiver.

[jmone]

If you want to bit stream the you only need the LAVSplitter and LAVAudio (not other audio filters in your chain).  While playing a video, right click --> direct show filters and click on LAVAudio.  Check all the checkboxs for Bitstreaming.  You do not need Arcsoft Audio HD Decoder to bitstream DTS-MA, you only need it if you want to decode it.

[JustinChase]

Thank you both.

So, I think I've made significant progress, everything now seems too work

It had nothing to do with filters, etc.  I was all fixed in MC options (after I removed the decoder)

First, I had to change the setting under Video from "Playback Device: Same as device used in audio playback" to AMD HDMI Output.  even though that is what was set for the Audio playback device 

Then I had to uncheck the Output Format option under the DSP options.  I had it all set to no resampling and source bitdepth, but turning it off allowed it to work; don't know why.

I turned bitstreaming back on in LAV Audio for DTS-HD and now it seems every video file I have is now playing fine.

Another part of the puzzle is/was that I would just lose sound system wide for some unknown reason.  I tried playing something this morning, and I got no sound.  I was VERY unhappy, since it all worked last night.

I opened Windows Media Center, and it had no sound, checked control panel, audio devices, no sound.

I tried to click the Media Server icon in the tray to tell it to close Media Server, and neither of the options (open/close) showed up.

I had to open task manager and discovered media center and jworkerservice were both showing up twice; very weird.

after killing them all, I still had no sound.

I ended up restarting the machine and everything seems to be working again now.

I saw another thread recently where someone was saying that Media Center wasn't releasing sound back from exclusive mode, maybe that's what happened to me; not sure.

Anyway, I never installed CCCP, I only installed LAV Filters 0.25, madVR 0.61 and ffdshow 3814 and that's all that I need it seems.

the .3gp files play, with sound using LAV audio (at least ffdshow audio is not selected and doesn't show in the chain), as do the avi files that wouldn't play sound earlier.  So, no need to buy a new/different video recorder to "fix" this. 

At this point, the only problem I seem to have with playing anything back is podcasts that are 22050 Hz, 24 bits per sample, 2 channels.  I get an error that this may not be supported by my playback device, which is correct, it only supports down to 32000 HZ.

Since setting any options under "output format" seems to cause me issues elsewhere, I guess I just can't listen to podcasts in this format.  Oh well.  I can live with that for now.

The sad thing is that if I had known to make these changes, I probably could have avoided HOURS and HOURS of reinstalling Windows and fighting MC to get it working.

Oh well, live and learn.

CCCP is NOT REQUIRED, and had I installed it, I likely would have had the same issues, since it appears it was related to options/settings in MC, and not the filters/codecs I had installed.

I hope this helps someone else avoid all this grief someday. 

[JustinChase]

Well, except for the occasional crash when I try to play a video.

Here's the latest info from the crash dialog screen, if it helps

Problem signature:
  Problem Event Name:   APPCRASH
  Application Name:   Media Center 16.exe
  Application Version:   16.0.81.0
  Application Timestamp:   4dc1c9f2
  Fault Module Name:   StackHash_ccb5
  Fault Module Version:   6.1.7601.17514
  Fault Module Timestamp:   4ce7ba58
  Exception Code:   c0000374
  Exception Offset:   000ce653
  OS Version:   6.1.7601.2.1.0.768.3
  Locale ID:   1033
  Additional Information 1:   ccb5
  Additional Information 2:   ccb5200180d3ff9ba440e546a9199936
  Additional Information 3:   a814
  Additional Information 4:   a814d247276bedd8586995074ae1c5e3

[JustinChase]

Upon restarting, the same file that crashed played fine.

i tested 3 or 4 more real quick, and then I got another crash, this time it seems to indicate madVR as the/a problem.

Problem signature:
  Problem Event Name:   APPCRASH
  Application Name:   Media Center 16.exe
  Application Version:   16.0.81.0
  Application Timestamp:   4dc1c9f2
  Fault Module Name:   madVR.ax
  Fault Module Version:   0.61.0.0
  Fault Module Timestamp:   4db94d17
  Exception Code:   c0000005
  Exception Offset:   0001325b
  OS Version:   6.1.7601.2.1.0.768.3
  Locale ID:   1033
  Additional Information 1:   0a9e
  Additional Information 2:   0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
  Additional Information 3:   0a9e
  Additional Information 4:   0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789

[SteveGoff]

If you want to bit stream the you only need the LAVSplitter and LAVAudio (not other audio filters in your chain).  While playing a video, right click --> direct show filters and click on LAVAudio.  Check all the checkboxs for Bitstreaming.  You do not need Arcsoft Audio HD Decoder to bitstream DTS-MA, you only need it if you want to decode it.

Would that it were true, as you know from our discussion in the Directshow filters thread.

I've got an i-3 computer with an HD5450 video card, so I'm using the HDMI output for video and audio. My preamp/processor can accept multichannel PCM and DTS MA and TrueHD bitstreams. Using MPC-HC I am able to consistently bitstream DTS MA and TrueHD using either ffdshow audio or LAV audio decoders. But I cannot get this to work in MC16. I've configured MKV files to play with LAV splitter, ffdshow video decoder, and either ffdshow audio decoder or LAV audio decoder. LAV audio decoder would not put out any audio for DTS, DTS MA, or TrueHD, and would only put out AC3 audio if the file plays that initially. Ffdshow Audio decoder works with AC3 and DTS, but DTS MA and TrueHD come out as multichannel PCM, even though I think it is properly set up to bitstream. And I'm not confident that the PCM audio is decoded from the lossless tracks, since I don't know whether ffdshow audio can do this.

I've set up the audio for video to use the HDMI connection and told it that I have a surround sound receiver. I'm not sure what else I can do.

[JustinChase]

I've set up the audio for video to use the HDMI connection and told it that I have a surround sound receiver. I'm not sure what else I can do.

Did you go into the DSP options screen and turn off the top left option called "Output Format"?

I had it set to use source bitdepth everywhere (I think), but turning it off, along with selecting the HDMI ATI for the audio device is what seems to have gotten me fully working bitstreaming, and so far all my MKV's have all played fine.  I tested about 15 files, from Blu-Ray rips to DVD rips, to a couple downloaded Formula 1 races, for 5 to 10 seconds each, and other than the random crash ?  it's all working now.

Other than that, it still seems a rather black art, and I certainly could have changed something else I can't remember, but I don't think so.

let me know if I can take screen shots or save settings or anything that might help you.

Oh, and I don't have MKV's set to use ffdshow audio, only LAV Audio, so that might need changed on your system also.

[SteveGoff]

Did you go into the DSP options screen and turn off the top left option called "Output Format"?

I had it set to use source bitdepth everywhere (I think), but turning it off, along with selecting the HDMI ATI for the audio device is what seems to have gotten me fully working bitstreaming, and so far all my MKV's have all played fine.  I tested about 15 files, from Blu-Ray rips to DVD rips, to a couple downloaded Formula 1 races, for 5 to 10 seconds each, and other than the random crash ?  it's all working now.

Other than that, it still seems a rather black art, and I certainly could have changed something else I can't remember, but I don't think so.

let me know if I can take screen shots or save settings or anything that might help you.

Oh, and I don't have MKV's set to use ffdshow audio, only LAV Audio, so that might need changed on your system also.

I'll try that, if you'll tell me where to find DSP options. IS that in MC16? The options are so plentiful that it is hard to know where to go next.

Okay, I've found the DSP options, and will play with that.

[SteveGoff]

Well, the problem persists even though I didn't have the DSP optioned checked. For some reason I can't get it to work even though the same set of filters works fine in MPC-HC. MPC-HC works on all video files I can throw at it, and bitstreams fine using either ffdshow audio or LAV audio. Here is an option I wish the creators of MC16 would consider: make the automatic option to be to apply the exact same settings that you use in MPC-HC.

[BryanC]

Well, the problem persists even though I didn't have the DSP optioned checked. For some reason I can't get it to work even though the same set of filters works fine in MPC-HC. MPC-HC works on all video files I can throw at it, and bitstreams fine using either ffdshow audio or LAV audio. Here is an option I wish the creators of MC16 would consider: make the automatic option to be to apply the exact same settings that you use in MPC-HC.

Are you confirming the right set of filters are used for playback by right-clicking a playing movie and looking at the Directshow Filters list, or are you just going by the settings you have set in the Video Options?

The advice I can give you is to install all the updated filters/splitters/renderers:

madVR: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=146228
LAV Splitter/Audio: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=156191
Your decoder of choice: CoreAVC/ffdshow/MPC-HC
Do not use hardware decoding or DXVA at this point in time. I've heard Avivo might work with madVR but we're just troubleshooting, remember?
IMPORTANT: Make sure to set the output of the decoder to YV12 or NV12, deinterlace the signal, and remove the deinterlace flag

In source splitter, choose LAV Splitter.
In Filters, select LAVF Audio and your video decoder
Renderer: madVR
Nothing else! Get this going first and then you can add other filters for subtitles, etc.

Set the option in MC Video options to bitstream over spdif (AC3 and DTS)
Select the compatible codecs your reciever can decode in the LAV audio settings

Also UNINSTALL AC3filter!!! My setup wouldn't work until I did this.

That really should work.

[SteveGoff]

I've been trying to use LAV Splitter as source filter, LAV Audio, ffdshow video, and MadVR renderer, as you suggest. I'm using LAV 0.25, and I used the installer to install and register. I've configured LAV audio to bitstream DTS MA and TrueHD. When I start an MKV video it plays so long as the AC3 audio track is selected, but if I switch to a DTS, DTS MA, or TrueHD track I get no audio. And thereafter I get not audio when I switch back to the AC3 track until I stop and restart the file.

When I select ffdshow audio instead of LAV audio all streams seem to play, but for DTS MA and TrueHD I get multichannel PCM output, not bitstreamed output. And I'm doubtful that it is really decoding the lossless tracks, since I don't think ffdshow audio can decode DTS MA (though I have not kept up with the latest developments on that front).

As a point of reference in MPC=HC both LAV audio and ffdshow audio will bitstream both DTS MA and TrueHD just fine.

I don't recall seeing any obvious inconsistency when looking at the filters during playback. By contrast, I've noticed on my office machine, which has an HD5670 and stereo analog outputs, that I have no problems with either LAV audio or ffdshow audio, though when I've selected LAV audio and look at the filters during playback it looks like it is really using ffdshow audio.

I've never installed AC3Filter, and I'm not sure how to uninstall a filter. I guess I'll search for AC3Filter.ax and remove it if it is there. Should I also unregister it?

[BryanC]

AC3filter is used in CCCP so if you've ever used CCCP there's a good chance it's there. You can check if it's registered by looking in the "filters" list when selecting filters for playback in MC. If it's there, it's registered. Run a systemwide search for ac3filter.ax and then in the run box, enter

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regsvr32.exe "C:\Location\of the\ax file\ac3filter.ax“.

Another thing to check is the option in LAV Audio that says "Use DTS-HD framing for all DTS types" if your receiver and soundcard support DTS-HD.

You also never mentioned if the Connection Type option in Options->Video is set to SPDIF AC3/DTS.

[SteveGoff]

I've never used or installed CCCP. I'll nonetheless look for AC3Filter and get rid of it if I find it. I think I've checked "Use DTS-HD framing for all DTS types", but I'll make sure. I think I've tried it both ways and it didn't make a difference, since my pre/pro is not one to have the problem associated with that fix. In the audio for video section I've told it to use the Realtek HDMI (ATI HDMI for Audio) connection and that I have a surround sound receiver rather than a two channel receiver. I couldn't use same as device used for audio playback because I have audio set to WASAPI to get good playback with FLAC and multichannel FLAC files.

[SamuriHL]

Negative.  You need to set it to DirectSound in audio, and tell video to use the audio settings.

[SteveGoff]

Negative.  You need to set it to DirectSound in audio, and tell video to use the audio settings.

The whole reason I've used MC over many, many years is to use WASAPI or ASIO output to play my music files. I now play FLAC files (both stereo and multichannel) over HDMI using WASAPI. Are you saying that I have to use directsound for audio files and video using audio settings in order to bistream audio from video files? If so that is a major disappointment, and probably one sufficient to make me abandon MC16 for playing back video.

[SamuriHL]

Bitstreaming will not work with exclusive mode, no.  It requires directsound in order to work.  If you want the best of all worlds, add ReClock to the mix.  Then you can force exclusive mode on PCM tracks like you want and bitstream the rest.  This is what I do.

[JustinChase]

I have it set to use WASAPI throughout Media Center, and it seems to work fine.

(however, I have discovered that my audio and video get out of sync over time )

Seriously, for the effort I've spent on this, and to still not have it working, I should have tried to turn lead into gold

[BryanC]

Bitstreaming will not work with exclusive mode, no.  It requires directsound in order to work.  If you want the best of all worlds, add ReClock to the mix.  Then you can force exclusive mode on PCM tracks like you want and bitstream the rest.  This is what I do.

I'm a bit confused about this statement. I've always used WASAPI output for audio and bitstreaming video and I haven't seem to run into any problems (that I know of)...

Could you elucidate on this?

[SamuriHL]

I tried for 2 days to get it to work with WASAPI Exclusive in MC16.  Did not ever work for me.  The ONLY time I've ever gotten bitstreaming to work with exclusive mode was with ReClock.  I'm talking about on an AMD card, of course.  nVidia could be different.  I've never tried on my 450.

[JustinChase]

I've never used or installed CCCP. I'll nonetheless look for AC3Filter and get rid of it if I find it. I think I've checked "Use DTS-HD framing for all DTS types", but I'll make sure. I think I've tried it both ways and it didn't make a difference, since my pre/pro is not one to have the problem associated with that fix. In the audio for video section I've told it to use the Realtek HDMI (ATI HDMI for Audio) connection and that I have a surround sound receiver rather than a two channel receiver. I couldn't use same as device used for audio playback because I have audio set to WASAPI to get good playback with FLAC and multichannel FLAC files.

trust me when I tell you that I feel your pain!!

I may be repeating, but we've crossed so many times, I'm gonna give the settings that got me mostly working (at least the files all play with sound and video, tweaking is still required for me)

Using newest version 16.0.87

Under Tools, Options, Audio

Audio Output
Output Mode: WASAPI
Output Mode Settings...  -  AMD HDMI Output
Open device for exclusive access is checked, all others are unchecked

Settings
DSP & Output Format...

Output Format checked (to resample low quality podcasts), even though I suggested earlier that you should uncheck this.  It appears it's okay to have it selected.

However, make sure you have "Source bitdepth" selected under the bitdepth heading on the right.  (I changed this before I turned off/unselected Output Format, and thought I tested separate, but must not have)

Channels: Source number of channels

Subwoofer: both options are checked, which I think i the default.

I do not have anything else (from the list on the left) checked under DSP Studio

Back on the main options list

Video

Audio for Video, DVD & Television
Playback device: select the actual sound device you want to use.  I chose AMD HDMI Output
Connection type: bitstream (this is new, and I have LAV set to bitstream all file types, so I don't know what this does)
VideoClock is checked (it does not keep audio and video in sync on my system on at least one file, I have not checked others yet)

General Video Settings
automatic DirectShow configuration is checked, but I'm not sure I'd do this in your case just yet.  it'd be worth trying, but if everything doesn't work, I'd turn it off since I don't know what it changes, which will make this hard to troubleshoot.  I'm sure with time, this will improve, but it's currently brand new, as I'm sure you know.

Default video renderer: madVR (not sure this works, as when I select automatic, it will sometimes use another)

Aspect Ratio: Source Aspect Ratio
Use WMV video acceleration if available: I have unchecked

Under DVD, I have everything unchecked

for almost all video types I have
Source Filter: File Source (Async.)
Other filters: ffdshow Video Decoder (make sure it's this one, there are several ffdshow options) and LAV Audio Decoder
video renderer: madVR

here you can config... ffdshow and LAV Audio also

for ffdshow, I think I have it set at almost completely default.  for codecs, the only on that isn't libavcodec or disabled is H.264/AVC, which is ffmpeg-mt, which I believe is the default.  I changed a couple while testing, but I think I have it back to default now on this screen.  Anywhere a checkbox option is offered under the list of codecs, I do NOT have any checked.

I have the deinterlacing option checked, with yadif -> double framerate selected ->field order: auto

I have subtitles checked, with all options checked

Finally, under the Output section, I have ONLY YV12 and NV12 selected, nothing else on this screen is checked.

that's it for ffdshow config

for LAV audio config...

I have all file types set for bitstreaming.  Apply DRC and DTS-HD framing are NOT checked here.
I have all audio types selected on the formats tab

that's it for this one.

The only other things I can think of that might be useful/important are:

I never installed the Realtek HD audio driver on this machine (remember, I just installed a fresh W7x64 build)
I'm running the ATI/AMD Catalyst 11.4 drivers, including the HDMI HD Audio driver
LAV filters 0..25
madVR0.61
ffdshow 3418

Good luck!

[JustinChase]

I tried for 2 days to get it to work with WASAPI Exclusive in MC16.  Did not ever work for me.  The ONLY time I've ever gotten bitstreaming to work with exclusive mode was with ReClock.  I'm talking about on an AMD card, of course.  nVidia could be different.  I've never tried on my 450.

I just changed to WASAPI - Event Style, and the 10 second test I did on one file seemed to work, FWIW  ?

I just checked under Control Panel, Sound Devices, AMD HDMI Output and the only real options offered are under the Enhancements tab, where I have "Disable all enhancements" checked and the Advance tab, where I have 24 bit, 192000 Hz selected.

Under Exclusive Mode, I have both options checked.

I'm using a Radeon HD 5550 card

I'm telling you, it's black magic!!  

PS, I've never installed reclock

[SteveGoff]

I tried Directsound, same as audio. It didn't work, an it won't play multichannel flac files in that mode. I tried numerous other combinations, but none worked.

[glynor]

AC3filter is used in CCCP so if you've ever used CCCP there's a good chance it's there.

Not true.  CCCP does not include ac3filter, and hasn't for as long as I can remember.

[BryanC]

Not true.  CCCP does not include ac3filter, and hasn't for as long as I can remember.

I was thinking of Shark007. Oops.

[SamuriHL]

Weird.  I'll have to try it again cause that's my ideal setup.  The ONLY reason I'm using ReClock is for exclusive mode.  But I absolutely couldn't get it to bitstream setting it up to use WASAPI Exclusive in MC16.  I'll give it another shot, though, since some of you clearly have it working.

[JimH]

You could try WASAPI (not Exclusive).

[SamuriHL]

I want exclusive mode to bypass the windows audio stuff.  Basically the idea is that for Dolby and DTS codecs, I want bitstreaming.  For PCM, I want the equivalent of bitstreaming which is using exclusive mode.  That way the channel mapping and bitrate don't get toyed with.  By default, for example, I have my system set for 48/24 7.1.  If I watch, let's say, Kill Bill, that's 48/16 5.1.  Without exclusive mode, it upsamples it to 48/24 (not a horrible thing...no quality lost if it's done right, but, still messes with the original track) and sends it as a 7.1 signal with 2 empty channels to my receiver.  With exclusive mode I get 5.1 48/16.  That's the ideal scenario in my world....bitstreaming for "everything". 

[JustinChase]

I want exclusive mode to bypass the windows audio stuff.  Basically the idea is that for Dolby and DTS codecs, I want bitstreaming.  For PCM, I want the equivalent of bitstreaming which is using exclusive mode.  That way the channel mapping and bitrate don't get toyed with.  By default, for example, I have my system set for 48/24 7.1.  If I watch, let's say, Kill Bill, that's 48/16 5.1.  Without exclusive mode, it upsamples it to 48/24 (not a horrible thing...no quality lost if it's done right, but, still messes with the original track) and sends it as a 7.1 signal with 2 empty channels to my receiver.  With exclusive mode I get 5.1 48/16.  That's the ideal scenario in my world....bitstreaming for "everything". 

I'm confused about where you're setting exclusive mode.

for setting up the audio output, I see WASAPI and WASAPI - Event Style, and both of these work on my system now, as described above.

I have the audio driver (AMD HDMI Output) set up to take exclusive control, but I don't see any place else to set exclusive, other than in madVR.

sorry I can't be more help

[SamuriHL]

I'm confused about where you're setting exclusive mode.

for setting up the audio output, I see WASAPI and WASAPI - Event Style, and both of these work on my system now, as described above.

I have the audio driver (AMD HDMI Output) set up to take exclusive control, but I don't see any place else to set exclusive, other than in madVR.

sorry I can't be more help

In the audio settings, you set Output mode: WASAPI
Output mode settings, right under it, you can set it to exclusive mode.

[JimH]

I want exclusive mode to bypass the windows audio stuff. 

Both WASAPI options do this.  Exclusive just means that no other software can use WASAPI at the same time.

I should have said try using Event Style (or not).

[SamuriHL]

Both WASAPI options do this.  Exclusive just means that no other software can use WASAPI at the same time.

I should have said try using Event Style (or not).

I've tried quite a few settings.  None of them make any difference.  I simply can't bitstream HD audio codecs when I have WASAPI selected.  And if I turn off exclusive mode I get nice errors about my hardware not supporting the mixing settings.  Um, huh?  That seems odd since I have it set to pad 24 bit to 32 and it should be using the source bit depth and channels.   ?

[JimH]

In MC's DSP Studio, try Output Settings and resample everything to the highest sample rate your device will accept.

[SamuriHL]

Just tried it.  No change.  DTS-HD MA and EAC3 don't bitstream.  Everything else does.

[SamuriHL]

Ok, I have WASAPI Event Style, set to use exclusive, working for all Dolby codecs.  I can bitstream AC3 and TrueHD.  However, it no workie on DTS-HD MA.  That's why I didn't think it was working before cause I always try DTS-HD MA first.  It doesn't work at ALL with ffdshow audio for me.  With any format.  LAV Audio allows me to bitstream the Dolby codecs (well, eac3 doesn't work in that environment, either, apparently) with WASAPI Event Style set.  I set it back to directsound and all works fine.  Except, channel mapping on PCM, of course.

EDIT:  Woops, this one didn't post.

[SteveGoff]

Both WASAPI options do this.  Exclusive just means that no other software can use WASAPI at the same time.

I should have said try using Event Style (or not).

I want to be able to listen to multichannel FLAC audio tracks, since I have many, many such albums. I can only do this using WASAPI. If I try WASAPI event style it doesn't work, and if I use Directsound it doesn't work. It says it can do two-channel only at 48kHz and 24 bits or 96 kHz and 24 bits.

So I was hoping to use WASAPI for Audio and Directsound for video, to try to get TrueHD and DTS MA bitstreaming. But that is not an option when you select audio for video.

Aside from these setup problems I've never been able to bitstream TrueHD or DTS MA using LAV Audio or ffdshow audio, even when I select Directsound for audio and audio for video the same. It usually changes to multichannel PCM out, but I don't thing either LAV audio or ffdshow audio can decode DTS MA, so I doubt I'm getting the true lossless tracks.

[SteveGoff]

Justin suggests that there is a new bitstream mode for audio for video in .87. This was not an option before, as far as I remember. I'll download and explore. Can anyone confirm the existence of this setting? I guess I'll look in the thread for .87.

Hmmm, it looks like the newest version is .86. I'll download that.

[SteveGoff]

I can confirm that the audio for video settings have changed, with the options for connection type now being PCM and bitstream. I wonder whether this can change things. I can't test at work. It would be nice to know whether this is more than a cosmetic change.

[SamuriHL]

Yea, I've been trying to figure out what those do, as well.  I have it set to bitstream.  PCM didn't seem to do much for me.

[JustinChase]

have you "make sure you have "Source bitdepth" selected under the bitdepth heading on the right." under DSP studio? 

I couldn't get anything to "work" until I changed this.  I had something selected here (24 bit maybe??, I can't remember now), and changing this was part (all?) of what got my bitstreaming to finally work on my system.   (I assume it works, but it could be streaming the core of some streams, I don't know how to tell for sure)  At least I get sound on all my videos now.

sorry I can't be more helpful in fixing this

[SamuriHL]

I have everything on there set to same as source.  Well, I did try upsampling as suggested, but, that didn't help, so I set it back.  It should be set to same as source IMO.

[Matt]

I think to bitstream HD content over HDMI you should select a system renderer in Options > Video > Audio for Video, DVD, & Television > Playback device

Adding support for HD bitstreaming to the JRiver audio engine (i.e. the option Same as device used in audio playback) is on our list of coming improvements.

[SamuriHL]

That would be ideal.  Then we could use WASAPI for PCM and bitstream the rest.  For now I guess I can switch the renderer when I know there's going to be a PCM track (which is rare for me).  Thanks for that!

[Matt]

Coming to Media Center 16.0.89 (and newer):
NEW: Added bitstreaming support for Dolby True HD and DTS-HD to the JRiver audio engine.

[SamuriHL]

I'll give it a thorough shakedown in my environment.  That'll be awesome.

[SteveGoff]

Coming to Media Center 16.0.89 (and newer):
NEW: Added bitstreaming support for Dolby True HD and DTS-HD to the JRiver audio engine.

That would be wonderful! I'm sure you'll have many testers. I'd love to be able to use WASAPI with my FLAC multichannel music files and bitstream TrueHD and DTS MA. I could then use MC16 are my preferred player for all audio and video.

By the way, the support you guys provide in making new features work is great. I asked for the ability to send commands over the network to control MC with another device (my iPhone), and you guys very quickly opened up the entire command structure of MC to such control.

[SteveGoff]

I'm having a lot of trouble getting the settings I choose for video playback to stick, mostly having to do with the audio decoder settings. I have main audio set to WASAPI and audio for video set to RealTek HDMI. I selected LAV Splitter, ffdshow video decoder (also tried ArcSoft), and LAV Audio. But on some videos when I look at the filters it says that ffdshow audio is working, whereas if I switch to another video it shows LAV Audio working. I just finally got TrueHD to bitstream using LAV Audio, but when I tried my DTS MA test file (Baraka) it shows ffdshow audio connected and is putting out multichnnel PCM, which suggests that I'm not hearing lossless DTS MA.

So how can I get the audio decoder settings to actually stick and stay consistent?