Topic: Need help configuring CODEC use with new 'Red October' releases (Read 3490 times)

BartMan01 · « **on:** June 21, 2011, 01:37:34 pm »

Trying to get .MKV playback back to the way it 'used to be' before Red October and having no luck. With Red October enabled, I get no Hardware Acceleration and no bitstreaming of audio. CPU is pegged to 100% with choppy playback and sound is in stereo. MKVs in question mostly have 1080p AVC or VC1 video and TrueHD or DTSHD.

I have both CoreAVC and FFDShow Tryouts installed that both support DXVA, and CoreAVC is set to be the default in Windows. Haali is installed. Both FFDShow Audio and Video have everything set to 'disabled' and the bitstreaming options all checked. For now, I would prefer the video be handled by CoreAVC.

At this point I have lost track of all permutations I have tried but I have not been able to get both hardware accelerated video playback and bitstreaming audio at the same time. I have managed to get one or the other but have mostly managed to just get error messages. Pre-Red October (and pre the rebuild of the system) I am pretty sure that all I had to do was set Haali as the splitter and include the FFDShow Audio filter to the mix and then everything just worked. Doesn't seem to be that simple anymore.

JimH · « **Reply #1 on:** June 21, 2011, 01:57:51 pm »

Are you using build 115?

BartMan01 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 21, 2011, 03:27:43 pm »

Yes, using 115.

JimH · « **Reply #3 on:** June 21, 2011, 03:32:18 pm »

Use Red October Std. Try changing the audio for video options under video.

What are you playing to? A receiver?

BartMan01 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 21, 2011, 03:41:28 pm »

With Red October Standard I get bitstreamed audio but lose hardware acceleration for video. Playing back through receiver over HDMI.

JimH · « **Reply #5 on:** June 21, 2011, 03:48:34 pm »

Maybe LAV CUVID is the missing link?
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=160290

BartMan01 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 21, 2011, 03:51:11 pm »

LAV CUVID is CUDA only, not DXVA so it won't help. Had to give up on nVidia cards for the HTPC since they have a driver level issue with HDMI + 0-255 color space.

JimH · « **Reply #7 on:** June 21, 2011, 03:54:29 pm »

So why is hardware acceleration needed? Is it a low powered PC?

BartMan01 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 21, 2011, 03:56:13 pm »

Quote from: JimH on June 21, 2011, 03:54:29 pm

So why is hardware acceleration needed? Is it a low powered PC?

Older PC, 1080p video maxes the CPU and then some. With HW acceleration it sits around 15%.

BartMan01 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 21, 2011, 04:07:24 pm »

Removed FFDShow/Haali and put in LAV instead. Still no difference. Somewhere along the lines I figured out the settings needed to get MC16 to Bitstream the audio. So now I stand at:

Red October Standard = correct audio, bad video.
Red October Standard with additional filters and add in CoreAVC Video filter I get either a hang, a crash, or a source/splitter error message with the different splitters I have tried.

BryanC · « **Reply #10 on:** June 21, 2011, 04:48:07 pm »

How about:

1. Red October Standard with additional filters
2. Source Splitter: LAV Splitter Source
3. Other Filters: LAV Audio, CoreAVC Decoder
4. Configure LAV Audio: Under Bitstreaming, select all of the formats your receiver supports
5. Configure CoreAVC Decoder: Make sure DXVA acceleration is still checked
6. Video Options->Playback device (same as device used in Audio Playback)
7. Video Options->Bitstreaming (Custom)->Select all of the formats your receiver supports

glynor · « **Reply #11 on:** June 21, 2011, 04:56:55 pm »

Quote from: Bryanhoop on June 21, 2011, 04:48:07 pm

How about:

1. Red October Standard with additional filters
2. Source Splitter: LAV Splitter Source
3. Other Filters: LAV Audio, CoreAVC Decoder
4. Configure LAV Audio: Under Bitstreaming, select all of the formats your receiver supports
5. Configure CoreAVC Decoder: Make sure DXVA acceleration is still checked
6. Video Options->Playback device (same as device used in Audio Playback)
7. Video Options->Bitstreaming (Custom)->Select all of the formats your receiver supports

I don't think you'll need to do #4-5, and you can probably leave LAV Audio out of #3 (it will be used anyway), but I could be wrong.

I own CoreAVC but I stopped using it because all of my machines currently can handle the video files I use without issue using either Red October Standard or HQ. I will probably get into it when I install MC16 on my Atom-based netbook, but I haven't gone there yet.

glynor · « **Reply #12 on:** June 21, 2011, 04:57:53 pm »

Actually....

Heck. I'll give it a shot. Hold on.

Matt · « **Reply #13 on:** June 21, 2011, 04:58:32 pm »

Quote from: Bryanhoop on June 21, 2011, 04:48:07 pm

How about:

1. Red October Standard with additional filters
2. Source Splitter: LAV Splitter Source
3. Other Filters: LAV Audio, CoreAVC Decoder
4. Configure LAV Audio: Under Bitstreaming, select all of the formats your receiver supports
5. Configure CoreAVC Decoder: Make sure DXVA acceleration is still checked
6. Video Options->Playback device (same as device used in Audio Playback)
7. Video Options->Bitstreaming (Custom)->Select all of the formats your receiver supports

You will get the same thing using:

1. Red October Standard with additional filters
2. Other Filters: CoreAVC Decoder
3. Configure CoreAVC Decoder: Make sure DXVA acceleration is still checked
4. Video Options->Playback device (same as device used in Audio Playback)
5. Video Options->Bitstreaming (Custom)->Select all of the formats your receiver supports

In other words, just let Red October use and configure LAV splitter and audio automatically.

glynor · « **Reply #14 on:** June 21, 2011, 05:07:33 pm »

Yep. I just confirmed, this (Matt's instructions) works fine on my HTPC and bitstreams properly.

HOWEVER... In testing that, I discovered the cause of this reported issue. If you do this (just as Matt described above), you don't get the Right-Click menu over playing video anymore. This applies to video playing in both Display View and in the Playing Now window of Standard View (I didn't try detached displays or the AW).

EDIT: Oh, I see, this is due to EVR.

BartMan01 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 21, 2011, 06:27:23 pm »

Current settings:

Audio...:
Playback device = AMD HDMI Output
Bitstreaming= Yes(HDMI)

General Video:
DirectShow selection method = Red October with additional filters

MKV Settings:
JRiver video engine using DirectShow filters
Source Filter: Automatic
Other Filters: CoreAVC Video Decoder
Video Renderer: Automatic

Some files are fine, some give me a failed to connect video source/splitter message, some just cause the entire system to hang requiring a manual power reset.

Mix of AVC, VC1, DTSHD, and TrueHD and I can't see any consistency between what works and doesn't. With the old direct show model they all worked.

glynor · « **Reply #16 on:** June 21, 2011, 06:33:48 pm »

Can you upload one of the "broken" ones to MegaUpload or something and post it? I'll download and test it here.

PS. Also make sure you are using a current (at least relatively) version of Catalyst.

BartMan01 · « **Reply #17 on:** June 21, 2011, 06:52:04 pm »

Looks like the issue is CoreAVC. If I switch to FFDShow to process the video the problems stop. Going to just stick with that until I eventually upgrade this machine. Thanks.

glynor · « **Reply #18 on:** June 21, 2011, 08:14:29 pm »

I'm not seeing issues here, but I only tested a few video types (MKVs and H.264 TS files).

Maybe try uninstalling CoreAVC and then reinstalling it? Make sure you have the latest version... They did release a point release or two since 2.0 came out.

BartMan01 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 22, 2011, 03:42:41 pm »

Quote from: glynor on June 21, 2011, 08:14:29 pm

I'm not seeing issues here, but I only tested a few video types (MKVs and H.264 TS files).

Maybe try uninstalling CoreAVC and then reinstalling it? Make sure you have the latest version... They did release a point release or two since 2.0 came out.

Are you running nVidia CUDA or ATI DXVA? ATI DXVA support is new. I used to have an nVidia card in this machine and never had a problem with CoreAVC under CUDA. Had to reluctantly ditch nVidia when it became my HTPC (nVidia driver can't do HDMI Audio + Video with 0-255 color space without custom built resolutions, and trying to build custom resolutions for CRT based sets was more work than I had time for).

glynor · « **Reply #20 on:** June 22, 2011, 04:04:40 pm »

My card is a Radeon HD 6870.

I DID check to make sure DXVA was turned on in CoreAVC, but I didn't bother to look at CPU utilization to ensure that it was actually being used, though. I just confirmed that CoreAVC had loaded and that the file was playing back correctly.

My HTPC is a Q9550 @ 3.5GHz, so I don't really need to worry about AVC decode acceleration.

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