INTERACT FORUM

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  
Pages: [1]   Go Down

Author Topic: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)  (Read 37155 times)

maliceme

  • Junior Woodchuck
  • **
  • Posts: 96
DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
« on: July 08, 2011, 10:15:53 am »

MC supports these formats in the latest build. But, where would one encounter these formats? Can MC now directly decode a SACD in my optical drive?
Logged

JimH

  • Administrator
  • Citizen of the Universe
  • *****
  • Posts: 72367
  • Where did I put my teeth?
Re: DFF & DSF Support
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2011, 11:52:48 am »

We think these files will be more widely available in the future.  Try the links at the bottom of this page:
http://www.playbackdesigns.com/superhires-answers.html

The change we made does not affect what your optical drive can read.  As far as I know, the only common drive that can read SACD's is on older Sony PS3's.
Logged

GreggP

  • Regular Member
  • Galactic Citizen
  • ****
  • Posts: 321
Re: DFF & DSF Support
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2011, 03:13:33 pm »

You can download some sample DSD files here: http://www.2l.no/hires/index.html.
Logged

mantis07

  • Junior Woodchuck
  • **
  • Posts: 78
Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2011, 10:36:48 am »

how can these .dff files be played?  I try to import the tracks but MC 16.141 will not import or play them.  Foobar plays them fine.

thanks!
Logged

JimH

  • Administrator
  • Citizen of the Universe
  • *****
  • Posts: 72367
  • Where did I put my teeth?
Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2011, 10:53:04 am »

Under file types in MC's options, are the types checked?

When you import, you may need to check the filetypes.
Logged

mantis07

  • Junior Woodchuck
  • **
  • Posts: 78
Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2011, 10:57:18 am »

Hi, yes they are checked and associated.

thanks
Logged

JimH

  • Administrator
  • Citizen of the Universe
  • *****
  • Posts: 72367
  • Where did I put my teeth?
Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2011, 11:28:26 am »

What happens if you drag one into the MC window from Explorer?
Logged

mantis07

  • Junior Woodchuck
  • **
  • Posts: 78
Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2011, 11:36:14 am »

it says "Warning - there is nothing to play".  If I close MC and double click a .dff file MC will open but the song doesn't show as playing or play.

thanks
Logged

JimH

  • Administrator
  • Citizen of the Universe
  • *****
  • Posts: 72367
  • Where did I put my teeth?
Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2011, 11:46:50 am »

There are several formats.  Where did you get the files?
Logged

mantis07

  • Junior Woodchuck
  • **
  • Posts: 78
Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2011, 11:58:41 am »

2l.no - weird - I rebooted and now they play within MC but not on the PS Audio PWD - it just says waiting.....
Logged

JimH

  • Administrator
  • Citizen of the Universe
  • *****
  • Posts: 72367
  • Where did I put my teeth?
Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2011, 12:05:18 pm »

How is DSP set in MC?
Logged

Matt

  • Administrator
  • Citizen of the Universe
  • *****
  • Posts: 42323
  • Shoes gone again!
Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2011, 12:48:14 pm »

First, make sure other audio plays like from an MP3, WAV, etc.

Then try setting the Sample Rate in DSP Studio > Output Format to 44.1 or 48 and test DSD.  Does that work?
Logged
Matt Ashland, JRiver Media Center

mantis07

  • Junior Woodchuck
  • **
  • Posts: 78
Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2011, 01:19:57 pm »

It plays fine with the DSP set to default in MC - ie: no resampling or bit depth change or to 24/192 etc.  What I'd is to be able to play it via the DNLA server on my PS Audio PWD with does 32/192

thanks
Logged

chrisr

  • Recent member
  • *
  • Posts: 40
Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2011, 10:23:48 am »

This is great.  Thanks for adding DSD playback. 

Do you convert to PCM, or is the DSD stream left unaltered and bit-perfect?

Also, will you support DSD128 in addition to DSD64?

Thanks again.  Happy user for many years - now even happier.

Chris
Logged
Digital: Playback Designs MPD-5 DAC, PC running JRiver
Amps: Halcro DM-10 pre, Krell FPB-400cx amp
Speakers: Wilson W/P 7 speakers, REL Stadium III sub
Cables: Nordost Valhalla PCs, ICs, SCs
Power: Furutech GTX-D(R) outlets, Nordost Thor conditioner, Dedicated 30A lines
Tweaks: HRS M3 isolation base
Home Theater: Oppo UDP-203 4K player, Anthem AVM60 processor, Krell FPB-450mcx center channel amp, Krell TAS amp (unique 7 channel), Wilson Watch center speaker

Matt

  • Administrator
  • Citizen of the Universe
  • *****
  • Posts: 42323
  • Shoes gone again!
Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2011, 10:45:23 pm »

Do you convert to PCM

Yes.  DSD is converted to high sample rate PCM.  An 8:1 sample rate conversion is performed, and the bit-depth is increased from 1-bit to 64-bit.

So the total size is 8 times as large when it's PCM, meaning the transform is effectively lossless.
Logged
Matt Ashland, JRiver Media Center

littlefield

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3
Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2011, 03:44:09 am »

I have dff files cannot play in MC 16.0.149.

Cannot import the folder or files. Double clicking on file, nothing happens. Shortened file names in case that was problem.

Yes, dff is checked in audio formats. In fact in Windows the dff files are showing the MC icon.

Any suggestions?
Logged

Matt

  • Administrator
  • Citizen of the Universe
  • *****
  • Posts: 42323
  • Shoes gone again!
Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2011, 07:59:23 am »

I have dff files cannot play in MC 16.0.149.

Cannot import the folder or files. Double clicking on file, nothing happens. Shortened file names in case that was problem.

Yes, dff is checked in audio formats. In fact in Windows the dff files are showing the MC icon.

Any suggestions?

Welcome to Interact.

If you drag a file into Playing Now in Media Center, does it show in the list?

If not, I may need a sample file.

If yes, try using DSP Studio > Output Format to specify a sample rate (start with 44.1).  Does that help?

Thanks.
Logged
Matt Ashland, JRiver Media Center

littlefield

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3
Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2011, 04:06:19 am »

When I drag into now playing, there is a blue "plus icon and copy" appearing but then nothing happens after I drop it. It does not appear in the player. How can I send you a file?
Logged

littlefield

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3
Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2011, 04:21:14 am »

Also cannot play SACDs converted to ISO...
Logged

JustinChase

  • MC Beta Team
  • Citizen of the Universe
  • *****
  • Posts: 3276
  • Getting older every day
Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2011, 06:43:21 pm »

Also cannot play SACDs converted to ISO...

Me neither.
Logged
pretend this is something funny

Matt

  • Administrator
  • Citizen of the Universe
  • *****
  • Posts: 42323
  • Shoes gone again!
Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2011, 07:01:03 pm »

How can I send you a file?

I'm matt at jriver dot com.  I think email will work for a file of about 30 MB or less.

Thanks.
Logged
Matt Ashland, JRiver Media Center

magnust

  • Galactic Citizen
  • ****
  • Posts: 380
Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2011, 10:20:39 am »

When I drag into now playing, there is a blue "plus icon and copy" appearing but then nothing happens after I drop it. It does not appear in the player. How can I send you a file?

I have the same issue. Was this solved and if so, how?
Logged

Matt

  • Administrator
  • Citizen of the Universe
  • *****
  • Posts: 42323
  • Shoes gone again!
Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2011, 10:53:58 am »

Media Center doesn't support compressed DFF and DSF.

If that's what you're trying to drop, you're going to have to convert them to uncompressed.

If you think they already are uncompressed, please send me a sample file.  My email is above.

Thanks.
Logged
Matt Ashland, JRiver Media Center

RaceDoc

  • Recent member
  • *
  • Posts: 13
Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2013, 04:02:31 am »

Hi @all,

is there a feature included in MC 18 to tag dsf and dff files?
The sound quality of these files played natively is great but the
files are spread in "various artists" and "unknown artist".
Logged
Pages: [1]   Go Up