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Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« on: September 28, 2011, 04:54:40 pm »

We're playing around with improving the television guide in Theater View.  We think we can build a set of library views (like used for Audio, Movies, etc.) that work well for guide browsing.  This has the advantage that the user experience (navigation, arrow behavior, etc.) and customization remains consistent.  Glynor was playing with this same idea a while back.

Here's a few screenshots showing the idea.  I only get a few channels with the antenna at the office, so you'll have to use your imagination a little bit.

Browsing into Television > Guide (not too different than today, but notice the roller of view styles on the second line):


Picking 'Time' to allow seeing up to a month ahead:


Picking 'Channel' to allow filtering by channel (and then time):


Browsing into a genre:


We think integrating 'Search' as a roller item would be another nice improvement.  The current search is powerful, but too far away at the root under 'Gadgets'.

Thoughts?
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2011, 05:31:22 pm »

Still resisting the grid I see  ::)

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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2011, 06:33:19 pm »

Have to agree, the other stuff is nice to have, but the grid is 100% necessary IMHO. I've used a lot of other software/hardware and no matter what is offered I alsways go back to the grid as it is easier to see/use.
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2011, 07:05:05 pm »

Resistance is futile.
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2011, 07:50:00 pm »

Resistance is futile.

You mean JRiver has given up resisting and will make a grid???  ;D

But seriously, a grid would be really nice and I think the best option, but I also think that the underlying design of TheaterView probably doesn't allow for it and therefore it may never happen. So if that is the case, then maybe it's best to say that rather than just throw up other options that evebody replies to with "We'd like a grid".  We're the beta team, you can tell us and we promise not to tell the world  :)

So if a grid won't happen then what Matt has posted is a lot better than what we have now, although I must say the guide needs to go out at least 7 to 10 days, so I'd suggest that the "Time" guide list the day first and then have a breakdown of times so that it's easy to jump forward 7 or 8 days in the guide without too much scrolling.

I'd also like to be able to filter the Time guide by channel so I can find a program that is showing in 7 days time on Channel Nine without having to scroll through 10 channels worth of guide.

And YES search is a requirement at the guide level!

Oh and finally, the ability to browse and schedule subscriptions from Theater View is a big one for my wife (and thus me) and I think the ability to browse/schedule with the same sort of guide structure from Gizmo would also be a great option.

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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2011, 08:08:27 pm »

Please post screenshots of EPG's that you like.
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2011, 08:50:08 pm »

The grids I like are pretty much which jmone has posted which I believe is Media Center (by that other company...). 4 columns covering 2 hours. Description down below. Press info for more information etc... A spot for logos on the "channel buttons" make for some nice eye candy... but I suppose I could live without it. :)
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2011, 08:56:30 pm »

Yup like the pic of the Grid posted where:
- Rows for each Channel
- Cols for timezones
- Content of the grid has the name of the show and indicators for if it is to be recorded (eg a red dot) or is part of a schedule recording (eg a link graphics)

Navigation
- You navigate with the arrow keys and select an item with the enter key.
- Enter will either play the items (if it is current) or offer to schedule a recording (one off, linked) etc
- As you navigate your could update thumbnail / content summary
- "Info" button brings up more info and commands
- You can fast scroll to the right to find stuff that is days away

I'm sure there is more!
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2011, 09:14:44 pm »

Please post screenshots of EPG's that you like.

Windows Media Center does many things wrong but the TV section is bang on. I'd use this for inspiration.

I'm sure there is more!

One more I'd like is remote access so I can use the guide from my phone etc to schedule recordings..
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2011, 10:47:21 pm »

- You can fast scroll to the right to find stuff that is days away

How would you leave the grid?  Up and down would scroll 600+ channels in some cases.  If left and right roll through a full week or two, that means you're stuck in the grid with left and right too.

MCE requires the back button, which we do not require anywhere in Theater View.

Only showing a few columns at a time and requiring filtering (using a roller on top) is one solution, because then you could left arrow out.  Although it's not clear to me that a grid like that would be better than the view in the screenshots.
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2011, 11:55:22 pm »

Until moving to using MC for my TV recordings I used Tv Scheduler Pro for many years.  http://sourceforge.net/projects/tvschedulerpro/

There is even an open source version (originally callws Webscheduler) that others have taken and modified then bundled with their own software/hardware I believe.

It's EPG grid was simple, but worked well.  Plus it's all done with xml & html files I think from memory, so maybe it can give you some ideas if you install it and have a look.

I think I used the <esc> button with TV Scheduler to go back, so a "Back" button on the MCE remore shoud do the job... certainly don't want to have to scroll too far to get out!

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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2011, 02:57:23 am »

How would you leave the grid?  Up and down would scroll 600+ channels in some cases.  If left and right roll through a full week or two, that means you're stuck in the grid with left and right too.

MCE requires the back button, which we do not require anywhere in Theater View.

Only showing a few columns at a time and requiring filtering (using a roller on top) is one solution, because then you could left arrow out.  Although it's not clear to me that a grid like that would be better than the view in the screenshots.

I'd would imagine any of the following could be used to leave the grid:
* Left arrow from the "Now" Col,
* Right Arrow from the Last Col
* Up Arrow from the Top Row
* Bottom Arrow form the Bottom Row or ... my Fav  ...
* the "Back" button

Of course any of the other content buttons on the RC would take you out of the grid, or you could use STOP etc....
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2011, 02:59:10 am »

The other thing on grid size is that while it "could" be very big, mine would be say a Dozen Ch by two weeks of EPG data...
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2011, 04:02:08 am »

While a grid-less view might look a tad better in Theater View, it's certainly better and more informative to look at a grid with upcoming shows on several channels.
Just 2 cents. Not that I'm using a tuner though.
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2011, 06:14:08 pm »

You always do this stuff when I'm busy or sick.

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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2011, 06:15:22 pm »

How would you leave the grid?

I agree.  Doing this cleanly is the biggest problem with adding it...
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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2011, 06:17:31 pm »

We talked about this today.

1.  Limit the number of columns so it isn't a big problem to move all the way to the left.

2.  Press enter to bring up a menu that had "Exit to next level".

3.  Press and hold left arrow.
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2011, 06:19:17 pm »

4. In addition the "Back" button 
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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2011, 06:27:05 pm »

That too.  We're just trying to make it work with the Big Five Buttons.
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« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2011, 06:28:42 pm »

You always do this stuff when I'm busy or sick.

"Children are pits of disease" says Glynor with a 102 deg fever.
Sorry to hear that.  I remember those days.  I've never been sick more often that when I had small children.  But I miss them now.
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2011, 07:34:34 pm »

One open topic is if the selected row should expand (like Theater View > News) to show a little of the description, or if the description should be at the bottom in a simplified Theater View File Info panel.
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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2011, 08:01:50 pm »

One open topic is if the selected row should expand (like Theater View > News) to show a little of the description, or if the description should be at the bottom in a simplified Theater View File Info panel.

Bottom. I find the auto-expand feature while navigating news items a little jarring.
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2011, 08:03:30 pm »

I like the area the the bottom with brief desc / thumb etc and "i" would bring up more info if needed.
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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2011, 08:09:49 pm »

I like the area the the bottom with brief desc / thumb etc and "i" would bring up more info if needed.

I envisage hitting enter on a cell would show a "details" view, much like the final level file info view we have now for other media. From here, you would see the full description, actors and other good stuff (configurable via the info panel option). Play/rec options would include:

- watch (if the program's on now - otherwise just tune to selected channel)
- record - once, subscription
- return to grid
- exit to main menu   

In the grid itself (ala MCE) a little PIP of the program (if it's playing) would also be cool. Nav to this and hitting enter could take you to Display View. 
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2011, 08:17:34 pm »

Sound fine to me, I'd also see that Pressing PLAY would.... "Watch a current prog"
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2011, 11:05:23 pm »

I envisage hitting enter on a cell would show a "details" view, much like the final level file info view we have now for other media. From here, you would see the full description, actors and other good stuff (configurable via the info panel option).

This makes the most sense to me.

I like the area the the bottom with brief desc / thumb etc and "i" would bring up more info if needed.

This is fine as long as you are able to also "open" it to see further details somehow.

I'm afraid that if you do it at the bottom and have Enter play the file directly, you'll be limiting the amount of info you can display about a particular show.  This is what Sage shows in its Program Info dialog (this is just a show in the guide, not one I've recorded, and you can scroll this screen down to get further info):

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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2011, 11:12:20 pm »

We talked about this today.

1.  Limit the number of columns so it isn't a big problem to move all the way to the left.

If you do this... Can you make it so the FF/RW command (or Next/Prev Track, I don't care which) can navigate the guide without limits?  In fact, one feature of the Sage grid view I appreciate is the ability to use the Next/Previous Track (or FF/RW) buttons to skip forward 24 hours at a time.

That way, those of us with more capable remotes would still be able to navigate far into the future.  I often navigate far ahead to see what movies HBO has coming up over the next two weeks, for example.  Of course, this might not be necessary if you also have access to upcoming programming views more like what Matt posted in the first post (and like those I discussed in the TV thread).

Also...

I'm quite excited about this.  I swear... Just a few more little steps and I'll be ready to take up that big project again.  Summer was a terrible time to try to start that, even if it would have been convenient for other reasons.
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2011, 02:59:34 am »

I envisage hitting enter on a cell would show a "details" view, much like the final level file info view we have now for other media. From here, you would see the full description, actors and other good stuff (configurable via the info panel option). Play/rec options would include:

- watch (if the program's on now - otherwise just tune to selected channel)
- record - once, subscription
- return to grid
- exit to main menu   

In the grid itself (ala MCE) a little PIP of the program (if it's playing) would also be cool. Nav to this and hitting enter could take you to Display View. 

I agree. Especially the use of todays info panel. It would be very good for consistency. I'm not sure how great it would look if the resolution is low though. If it's no good with reasonable resolutions, then a description and picture at the bottom would do well. As well as more info when hitting enter or "i" perhaps?
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2011, 02:53:46 pm »

Getting warmer?

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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2011, 04:04:50 pm »

Getting warmer?


Very nice and user-friendly :). Now, if this is integrated with some way to remove the advertisements (or at least mark them in the video stream) - I would love to switch to MC16 for all my TV watching and DVR needs .

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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2011, 04:13:15 pm »

Looks great!  I checked a few other EPG screen shots regarding width of the Col and how many get displayed.  While many show 2hrs at a time (eg like the sample), others are 3hrs+, it is about the balance I guess!  Is this something that will be static or will it depend on the screen size?

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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2011, 04:29:55 pm »

Grid taking shape nicely Matt, how exciting!!

I like the channel logos on the screenshot jmone just posted. Any chance we can assign logos in MC and display them?  And maybe on other pages as well, not just the grid.  \

And visual indication of programs scheduled to be recoorded is important too. 

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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2011, 05:22:01 pm »

For me you want to use the space as effectivly as possible.  I also like the seperation of the day marker from the time in the Grid.
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2011, 05:33:58 pm »

Definitely getting there :)
I think you probably want start and end times in the info panel though.
Also, how about combining this with the TVDb backdrop code to create a much more dynamnic view?

Final point-
Any love for DVB-S please? Yaobing promised to look into this several years ago, and nothing happened. I don't have anything but a satelitte dish............

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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2011, 09:09:02 pm »

I think it looks great Matt but I'm more interested in any additional functionality this will give to MC TV. Specifically, to give up my current PVR software for good, I'd need :

- support for a single tuner to record multiple streams on the same channel (for more efficient use of the tuner pool)
- guide search facility by program name
- up to 7 day EPG support
- setup recurring subscriptions (with EPG match options such as by name, channel, time-range etc)
- remote access of the guide for scheduling (iPhone, browser etc)
- COMSKIP or similar support.

The first 4 are critical IMO.

I like where this is going. Finally!! Hope these features are not too much to ask for. I think they're equally important to the visual layout of the EPG.
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #35 on: October 02, 2011, 12:37:22 am »

I think it looks great Matt but I'm more interested in any additional functionality this will give to MC TV. Specifically, to give up my current PVR software for good, I'd need :

- support for a single tuner to record multiple streams on the same channel (for more efficient use of the tuner pool)
- guide search facility by program name
- up to 7 day EPG support
- setup recurring subscriptions (with EPG match options such as by name, channel, time-range etc)
- remote access of the guide for scheduling (iPhone, browser etc)
- COMSKIP or similar support.

The first 4 are critical IMO.

I like where this is going. Finally!! Hope these features are not too much to ask for. I think they're equally important to the visual layout of the EPG.

I agree with this 100%. The bar to give up my current PVR software for MC is fairly high for me. Though I would love to do this - this has been one of my pet peeves with MC16 and what keeps me from recommending it whole-heartedly to someone who asks me for a recommendation for "one-stop HTPC software".

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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2011, 07:20:43 pm »

I'm still working on this.  It's been trickier than I expected.

The guide is built around regular library views.  This mean you use and customize television browsing just like you do any other media type.  Grid is just a new list style that works with any set of files.  This should provide a more flexible experience than had we just added a special-case guide view.

But it requires a bunch of internal work.

The database didn't have a way to say "show programs on between now and 72 hours from now", so the search language needed updating, including understanding time ranges since "on now" could include a program started several hours ago.

Then, we didn't have lists that scrolled in both dimensions in Theater View, so that needed doing.

Then, we needed row and column headers which we hadn't used in Theater View before.

Then, we needed a list style that's a cross between a grid and a freeform list (since programs normally but not always start on half-hour boundaries).

Then, we needed a special file-info template designed to go at the bottom of the screen.

Finally, there was lots of performance work because 1000 channels * 48 half-hour slots a day * several days means there are lots of list items in play at a time.
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« Reply #37 on: October 04, 2011, 02:22:46 am »

It does indeed sound like a bit of work. Even though I'm not using this because of the lack of other DVB support, I'm glad for the shape this is taking. It was a rather big part missing for a long time.
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« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2011, 11:10:23 am »

Also, how about combining this with the TVDb backdrop code to create a much more dynamnic view?

Good idea.

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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #39 on: October 04, 2011, 01:00:02 pm »



Like!
Am not a TV user, but this is nice work, Matt, at least from the still.
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #40 on: October 04, 2011, 05:53:59 pm »

- guide search facility by program name
- up to 7 day EPG support
- setup recurring subscriptions (with EPG match options such as by name, channel, time-range etc)

Coming at the same time as the grid.  Subscription management will be basic from Theater View.


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- support for a single tuner to record multiple streams on the same channel (for more efficient use of the tuner pool)

I'm investigating, although this seems like a corner case.  If you're running out of tuners regularly, why not just add another tuner?
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #41 on: October 04, 2011, 05:58:13 pm »

- remote access of the guide for scheduling (iPhone, browser etc)

Library Server already allows you to use Media Center from anywhere to configure or watch television recordings.
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #42 on: October 04, 2011, 06:09:55 pm »

Library Server already allows you to use Media Center from anywhere to configure or watch television recordings.

But only from a PC running MC ?
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« Reply #43 on: October 04, 2011, 07:39:45 pm »

I'm investigating, although this seems like a corner case.  If you're running out of tuners regularly, why not just add another tuner?

I don't think it's a corner case. I know of many software PVR's that support this. It just makes sense IMO. Why use another tuner to record a channel that's already being recorded?

Thanks for looking at all of this.

PS - hopefully the subscription feature set will get expanded over time.

PSS - I suspect I can't view the guide and schedule recordings from my iPhone. This is what I meant by remote/browser support.
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #44 on: October 04, 2011, 07:57:15 pm »

I'd also love to see improved/more comprehensive logging for TV too. This would help in diagnosing signal/reception issues and pinpoint device conflicts and the likes. At the moment, when a recording fails, it's virtually impossible to work out what went wrong.
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #45 on: October 04, 2011, 10:20:31 pm »

I don't think it's a corner case. I know of many software PVR's that support this. It just makes sense IMO. Why use another tuner to record a channel that's already being recorded?

Perhaps you should explain what you are looking for in more detail, because I'm not sure I fully understand.

I think what you are talking about is the idea that if a tuner is in-use on a particular channel, that it should "prefer" to record other shows on that same channel later that day using the same tuner (to avoid a set of tuners "ping-ponging" back and forth with a bunch of consecutive shows in one night).

This can be useful.  I've used PVR software both before and since the ones I used had this feature (both BeyondTV and SageTV do this).  Sometimes the "ping pong" can be problematic.  This happens most often when you have "handles" on your video files (start recording 2 min before, stop 3 min after).  The handles are useful if you have shows that don't always fit their assigned schedules quite perfectly, to avoid missing a scene here or there (nothing is more irritating than when you miss 1/2 of the, usually hysterical, "bonus" clip at the end of BBT).  However, if you subscribe to a bunch of shows that all air sequentially, you can sometimes run out of tuners (or unnecessarily degrade to a lower quality analog SD tuner, perhaps) not because a tuner wasn't free for that 30 minutes, but because it wasn't "free" for 4 minutes of that 34 minutes because of the "handles".  This avoids that problem.  If shows air sequentially, the tuner will ignore the relevant conflicting handles and keep recording the channel.  It isn't always perfect, though and sometimes can work against you.  The logic can be tricky.

So, anyway... I'm not sure that is what you are talking about.  Because you might be talking about recording multiple simultaneous things (two different audio tracks, maybe) on the same tuner.  That, I have to agree with Matt, is probably a bit of an edge case.  Might be cool, but... Not a top-tier required feature for most users, I'd guess.  I think we're still in "get the basics up to par" mode with MC's PVR functionality.

However... One thing I feel is lacking in this system from most of the PVR software I've tried is maintaining the connection to that "stream" of programming after the arbitrary "cut" points.

So, in my setup when Sage encounters a day where a bunch of shows air sequentially on the same channel, it will usually record them all on the same tuner (it doesn't always seem to work, for whatever reason). It is nice, even if it does "cut" one of those scenes, the division is almost frame-perfect.  I think it must keep the recording going seamlessly, and then "blade" the file afterwards to make the cut.  If you can find the next "piece" of the recording, you can pick back up right where you left off, usually in the same "word" of a line of dialog.   But finding it is often the problem.  If, despite my handles, a show still ends abruptly mid-scene (like one of those bonus scenes I was talking about before), and MC has the next "piece" in-order, it would be nice to have it just seamlessly continue into the next file until I hit stop.  Or at least queue the next file, and lead me to it in some way.

I've often "subscribed" to a particular show two or three years ago, or based on a search.  I don't know when they're scheduled, more than a vague "this show airs on Wednesday, I think", for all but my absolute favorites.  And I certainly don't notice if they move the schedules around, or new shows start airing and suddenly things conflict or whatever, unless it tells me.  But figuring out what show that "missing handle" is on is often quite challenging.... Involving finding the particular show I was watching in the guide (many days off, usually), figuring out what aired after it, then figuring out if I have that show recorded, hoping it recorded that airing of the episode and not some other airing, and then checking the beginning of that file for my missing scene.  Usually by then, I've lost interest, and my wife certainly has.

That would be a very helpful and unique feature.
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #46 on: October 04, 2011, 10:52:09 pm »

Perhaps you should explain what you are looking for in more detail, because I'm not sure I fully understand.

Here in OZ, each channel broadcasts multiple streams (with unique video and audio IDs) on the same frequency. My current PVR software uses a "producer" and "consumer" approach to allow better sharing of devices. A producer process "tunes" into a channel and presents all possible video/audio streams and a consumer (the process doing the recording) consumes a single stream. When subsequent recordings are started, the software first checks to see if there's already a producer process started for the channel/frequency in question. If yes, it spawns another consumer process and hooks into the existing producer, avoiding the need for another tuner.
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #47 on: October 04, 2011, 11:16:47 pm »

Here in OZ, each channel broadcasts multiple streams (with unique video and audio IDs) on the same frequency. My current PVR software uses a "producer" and "consumer" approach to allow better sharing of devices. A producer process "tunes" into a channel and presents all possible video/audio streams and a consumer (the process doing the recording) consumes a single stream. When subsequent recordings are started, the software first checks to see if there's already a producer process started for the channel/frequency in question. If yes, it spawns another consumer process and hooks into the existing producer, avoiding the need for another tuner.

Exactly (see TV Scheduler Pro link I provided earlier  as this is what Ralf is using and I used to use).

For me I don't want MC to use three tuners when for example I am watching ABC1 live, and recording two sequential shows on ABC2, during this MC uses two tuners to record one show and watch one show, but then during the overlap period between the shows on ABC2 MC uses three tuners!  When all of it could be done with one tuner.  Both ABC1 and ABC2 are from the same broadcaster and broadcast on the same frequency.

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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #48 on: October 05, 2011, 04:19:37 am »

FYI - when I was working with Yaobing on the DTV-T support at one point we were saving all streams for a group in one hit then flagging which streams to playback.  Eg we were saving to disc all the channels for each group, so Ch7 would save Ch7-1, Ch7-2, Ch7-HD etc then flag which streams to playback.
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Re: Television guide in Theater View [feedback welcome]
« Reply #49 on: October 05, 2011, 06:36:54 am »

I'd also love to see improved/more comprehensive logging for TV too. This would help in diagnosing signal/reception issues and pinpoint device conflicts and the likes. At the moment, when a recording fails, it's virtually impossible to work out what went wrong.
Have you tried the existing logging under Help?
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