Topic: JRiver and 3D blu ray movie playback (Read 19860 times)

jimmy neutron · « **on:** May 14, 2012, 11:45:07 pm »

Too tired to search the thousands of threads. I'm building a new PC and am wanting to rip my 3D Blu Ray movies and play them back in 3D as well. I have a 3D ready TV, I have a quad-core PC, I have an Nvidia GTX560 3D capable card, and I have the Nvidia Vision 2 kit. So, my question is will JRiver allow me to play back my movies from my PC in 3D? I will rip my 3D Blu Ray movies in full using Pavlov ripper, so I'd like to play them back from the hard drive, but also would like to play back directly from the Pioneer Blu Ray 3D capable burner as well.

Jimmy

Hendrik · « **Reply #1 on:** May 14, 2012, 11:57:24 pm »

No, MC17 cannot play 3D Blu-rays at this time. You'll need a commercial player like PowerDVD or ArcSoft TotalMedia Theater

jimmy neutron · « **Reply #2 on:** May 15, 2012, 12:26:14 am »

Gotcha. Thanks a bunch. I hope Jim and the gang can get support for 3D at some point. JRiver is already the defacto standard among audiophile media players. Adding 3D would be a nice "cherry on top".

Jimmy

fitbrit · « **Reply #3 on:** May 15, 2012, 12:35:29 am »

They hopefully will. IIRC (and I may not) a year ago, they had no intention to support BluRay, citing that it was a dead-end format.
I feel all other media software contaminates my HTPCs, so I really hope it'll be supported in the near future.

Hendrik · « **Reply #4 on:** May 15, 2012, 12:40:46 am »

Personally, i hope 3D just dies out, the experience (at least at home without a huge ass projector) is awful.

fitbrit · « **Reply #5 on:** May 15, 2012, 12:51:50 am »

Quote from: nevcairiel on May 15, 2012, 12:40:46 am

Personally, i hope 3D just dies out, the experience (at least at home without a huge ass projector) is awful.

I have a big-ass projector set-up at home (120"/300cm), 16:9. No 3d capability yet; I will get it in my next projector, by which time jrmc should hopefully support it. I have yet to see a 3d movie in fact, except for the old anaglyph IMAX ones.

MrC · « **Reply #6 on:** May 15, 2012, 12:54:47 am »

Quote from: nevcairiel on May 15, 2012, 12:40:46 am

... the experience (at least at home without a huge ass projector) is awful.

What's not to like about that world-in-a-dollhouse experience?

JimH · « **Reply #7 on:** May 15, 2012, 06:24:03 am »

Quote from: nevcairiel on May 15, 2012, 12:40:46 am

Personally, i hope 3D just dies out, the experience (at least at home without a huge ass projector) is awful.

I think it will die. It was fun as a novelty.

imugli · « **Reply #8 on:** May 15, 2012, 06:47:58 am »

I don't know that 3D will die (it's a way of making the studios that little extra $$$) but I do think physical media are going the way of the dodo very quickly...

Ekpen · « **Reply #9 on:** May 15, 2012, 12:05:14 pm »

Jim- Please retract your statement regarding 3D dying.
I already have 3, 3D tvs in the home - Sony, Samsung, and Mitsubishi WD92840. 3D is "GREAT" Experience. Even my wife is sold on it.
I have 5 more Tvs to replace at home.
At least, let MC support it for the sake of those who want it.

Thanks.

George

jimmy neutron · « **Reply #10 on:** May 16, 2012, 09:22:45 pm »

Yea. I don't think it will die. Most all new TV's are incorporating 3D into them, and a LOT of movies are being released this summer in 3D - much more than last summer. All numbers point that it will become a viable format for the home as well. I'd be a pompous a$$hole to wish it to die. There are many people that like it, and that have invested a nice chunk of change on it. If I didn't like it the best I would do is not buy anything 3D. But to take it away for good just because I didn't like it, and belittle the ones that doo, well it would just make me look like a PETA fool.

Regardless, I don't think it would be anything involved in supporting it as it's mostly just a Bly Ray, which JRiver already supports. I'm guessing if JRiver can read the HDMI 1.4 standard then most of the work would be done. 3d Blu Ray is part of Blu Ray. I feel that ANY media player worth it's weight should support it if it already supports it's cousin the standard Blu Ray.

Jimmy

Chrispy58 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:11:02 am »

There is a workaround here - I dont have a blu ray drive but a virtual BR drive - its free from sly-soft and lets you play BD 3D images in .MKV format using MC17. So you just need to make images of your discs and play them like this.
Chris.

jimmy neutron · « **Reply #12 on:** May 17, 2012, 04:05:15 pm »

So if I rip a 3D blu ray onto my hard drive - just like I do when ripping standard blu ray discs - MC17 will catagorize, cover art, and play them? Obviously if the PC is set up for 3D blu ray playback, right?

I just ordered an LG blu ray reader/writer that is 2D and 3D capable. It will arrive this coming teusday. My HTPC is more than capable to handle blu ray 3D (AMD quad core phenom II Black Edition 3.6gHz, 16 gigs RAM, 120 gig Intel SSD drive for OS, external hard drive USB 3.0 for movie storage. Currently using on-board HD4250 video. No issues with standard blu ray playback, but unsure of 3D blu ray play back. I read somewhere the video card has to be HDMI 1.4 compliant to pass 3D. If the HDMI on the on-board video is 1.3 then I will have to upgrade the card. I cannot find anywhere if the on-board video is, or is not 1.4 compliant. We'll see next teusday.

Jimmy

cncb · « **Reply #13 on:** July 06, 2012, 08:24:53 am »

I hope to get a 3D TV soon. Has there been any work on allowing 3D blu-ray playback (mkv) in MC or is this not going to happen?

jimmy neutron · « **Reply #14 on:** July 06, 2012, 11:40:03 am »

Hey cncb, I can confirm that MC works just fine with 3D bluray movies. You must have a 3D capable video card. I bought a GTX560ti card for my system. It's inexpensive at approximately $140.00 but man is it awesome. Way overkill for htpc use, buts that's exactly what you want. It's a 980 mghz card with 1 gig of ram, built in copper heat pipe transfer and cooling, and it's fully HDMI 1.4 3D capable. Slicker than snot! I love this card. You must rip a 3D bluray using a software ripper like Pavltube ripper, then manually import it into MC and tag it with cover art. After that it will show up just fine.

Jimmy

Sparks67 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 06, 2012, 12:08:42 pm »

Quote from: nevcairiel on May 15, 2012, 12:40:46 am

Personally, i hope 3D just dies out, the experience (at least at home without a huge ass projector) is awful.

3D is not going to die out! I guess, you haven't been following UHDTV (4k and 8k) UHDTV is designed around 3D including the audio format.
http://www.nhk.or.jp/strl/publica/bt/en/fe0045-6.pdf Technical read, but that is the new audio format. Dolby Atmos is 26.3, but it depends on your main living room.
There is several new technologies that are in development to make this happen. Basically, it can be flat panels or projectors. RED has a cool new laser projector,
that is coming out. http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?79357-RED-s-home-4k-Projector-under-10k-Sony-s-home-4k-Projector-over-20k!! Their RED ray player comes with the projector.
It is another thread in that forum.

The RED ray is an SSD drive, but it upscales and downscales, has some cool features. The new media format won't come for 3 years according to the NHK open house in 2012. Well, your current internet is going to change, if you are in the USA. The current Internet is based on phone lines and hacked in fiber. The new Internet2 is all fiber and scalable to more bandwidth. Currently, at 100 Gigabits/sec Internet2 was designed for research, but this project is rather interesting... http://www.internet2.edu/about/related-projects.html 100 x 100 Project or "100 Megabits to 100 Million Homes"
http://events.internet2.edu/2012/spring-mm/agenda.cfm?go=session&id=10002238&event=1036 Satellite as well is being upgraded...

Bluray is history though, because of Capacity and data access speed required for the new format. Anyway, a bit off topic...

jimmy neutron · « **Reply #16 on:** July 06, 2012, 12:26:44 pm »

3D won't die. You'd be crazy to think it would. Because of higher capacity and higher resolution playback nediums - including videogames - 3D will continue to expand and grow into fields much larger than just TV. Medical, production, manufacture, videogames, music, youtube, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, and of course TV. This isin't your daddy's 3D, it's new, it's better, and the porn industry is already in on it. You know what they say, "You know you've succeeded when the porn industry uses it". Well, thay already are.

It's here to stay, and you'd be shooting yourself in the foot to not support this format. And, for the sake of arguement, this format is a small niche, why still would'nt you want to support it? How much investment would JRiver actually need to add the codecs? Really, just add it to the list of features that sets MC apart from the rest - or rather add this feature that keeps MC up with the rest. Any way you want to look at it, it's a feature worth having.

Jimmy

cncb · « **Reply #17 on:** July 06, 2012, 03:57:58 pm »

Quote from: jimmy neutron on July 06, 2012, 11:40:03 am

Hey cncb, I can confirm that MC works just fine with 3D bluray movies.

Thanks. So, if you rip to a 3D MKV and have a HDMI 1.4 capable video output, it will just work? Do you have to do any conversion like from "frame-packed" to "side-by-side"?

StuckMojo · « **Reply #18 on:** July 07, 2012, 12:31:37 am »

If you want to play 3D SidebySide or Over-Under Movies you don't need HDMI 1.4.

AND...MC can play these Formats in 3D,because it has nothing to do with 3D.
The 3D TV will do this for you.
This is a good Deal for me,because my AV-Receiver doesn't support HDMI 1.4.

But.........
1.You have to activate 3D on the TV manually (SBS or Over-Under).
2.Onscreen Menu isn't readable anymore when using SBS Video.Onscreen works with Over-Under Videos.

jimmy neutron · « **Reply #19 on:** July 07, 2012, 01:44:35 am »

StuckMojo, are you saying you are able to play back a 3D Blu Ray from your PC to your TV without having an HDMI 1.4 capable card? I know for a fact that if your card is not 1.4 compliant it will not pass 3D blu ray. HDMI 1.4 is a requirement for blu ray playback. I have several HTPC's in my home. On the 1 HTPC that has a video card that has it's HDMI rated at 1.3 no 3D blu ray's will play - only the non-3D version will play. But on my HTPC's that have video cards that are fully HDMI 1.4 certified they play fine.

It's a fact. Unless your video card is HDMI 1.4 capable, 3D blu ray will not play.

I think you are confusing the old type of 3D with the red/green glasses fore what we are talking about. That is not the same 3D that is on 3D Blu Rays. Those old school red/green 3d can be had on any tv and from any source.

Jimmy

adolfotregosa · « **Reply #20 on:** July 07, 2012, 04:17:21 am »

Quote from: jimmy neutron on July 07, 2012, 01:44:35 am

StuckMojo, are you saying you are able to play back a 3D Blu Ray from your PC to your TV without having an HDMI 1.4 capable card? I know for a fact that if your card is not 1.4 compliant it will not pass 3D blu ray. HDMI 1.4 is a requirement for blu ray playback. I have several HTPC's in my home. On the 1 HTPC that has a video card that has it's HDMI rated at 1.3 no 3D blu ray's will play - only the non-3D version will play. But on my HTPC's that have video cards that are fully HDMI 1.4 certified they play fine.

It's a fact. Unless your video card is HDMI 1.4 capable, 3D blu ray will not play.

I think you are confusing the old type of 3D with the red/green glasses fore what we are talking about. That is not the same 3D that is on 3D Blu Rays. Those old school red/green 3d can be had on any tv and from any source.

Jimmy

nop, wrong. He can

Side-by-side is literally a movie with "same image" side by side

http://www.the-flipside.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/debris.jpg

Anything can play this and like he said, the tv will make perfect 3d out of it.

jmone · « **Reply #21 on:** July 07, 2012, 07:27:13 am »

Keep in mind 3d has it's trades off, and you suffer from up to 2 degradations:
1) reduction in brightness - each eye of the active shutter glasses is black half the time
2) if the 3D system being used is Top/Bottom or Left/Right you also lose half the resolution

jimmy neutron · « **Reply #22 on:** July 07, 2012, 11:57:26 am »

That's not the same thing as 3D Blu Ray playback. If you go buy a 3d blu ray movie it will not play on your PC if it is not HDMI 1.4 compatible. Although there are different types of 3D that one can watch on a PC, specifically side by side, over and under, and anaglygh (?) Red/green, these are not the same as the 3D content in a 3D blu ray movie. You must have a HDMI 1.4 compliant video card, cable, and TV to watch a 3D blu ray movie.

Jimmy

Jong · « **Reply #23 on:** July 07, 2012, 11:58:49 am »

Quote from: jmone on July 07, 2012, 07:27:13 am

Keep in mind 3d has it's trades off, and you suffer from up to 2 degradations:
1) reduction in brightness - each eye of the active shutter glasses is black half the time
2) if the 3D system being used is Top/Bottom or Left/Right you also lose half the resolution

You are right, certainly about 2. But remember most LCD TVs have far more available brightness than they need. Many latest sets automatically boost the light output (not the brightness setting of course or that would destroy the black level) to compensate for the shutter effect.

StuckMojo · « **Reply #24 on:** July 07, 2012, 12:01:05 pm »

I'm using a Polarized 3D System. Brightness is not a Problem with this Technique as in 3D Shutter Systems.

I don't need to reduce Brightness in the Room to watch a 3D Movie.Works much better than Shutter Systems.

And about Resolution:

I don't see any difference between the same movie in 1080p 2D or 1080p SBS 3D.
I have a 55-Inch 3D TV. Distance to TV-> 8 ft.

Looks GREAT!!!

Jong · « **Reply #25 on:** July 07, 2012, 12:01:53 pm »

Quote from: jimmy neutron on July 07, 2012, 11:57:26 am

That's not the same thing as 3D Blu Ray playback. If you go buy a 3d blu ray movie it will not play on your PC if it is not HDMI 1.4 compatible. Although there are different types of 3D that one can watch on a PC, specifically side by side, over and under, and anaglygh (?) Red/green, these are not the same as the 3D content in a 3D blu ray movie. You must have a HDMI 1.4 compliant video card, cable, and TV to watch a 3D blu ray movie.

Jimmy

You are right and wrong. Certainly the intend way to play bluray is as you say and only works with HDMI 1.4, but the software players let you choose the 3D mode, so you can choose other compatible modes if you wish.

jimmy neutron · « **Reply #26 on:** July 07, 2012, 12:54:20 pm »

Yes, you are right. There are many "methods" and a few different types of 3D playback. But I am only referrencing the standard 3D Blu Ray movie playback as is intended. To watch a 3D Blu Ray movie you need an HDMI 1.4 capable card, cable, and TV - no way around that. To watch other 3D media that is available, such as video games, youtube content, etc, then yes, you have a choice of formats, glasses, and you don't even need a TV that's 3D capable. Of course, my original question dealt with watch 3D Blu Ray movies on a PC. I've since remedied this by adding a GTX560ti video card that is HDMI 1.4 compliant, and a 1.4 HDMI cable to my PC. 3D blu Ray movies now play flawlessly.

Jimmy

Jong · « **Reply #27 on:** July 07, 2012, 01:04:13 pm »

Again you are kinda right and kinda wrong. Yes, bluray is intended to be viewed as you suggest. But, with TMT at least you can select the other modes too if you wish.

jimmy neutron · « **Reply #28 on:** July 07, 2012, 01:11:59 pm »

I can select the other modes too in my Nvidia card as well, but the movie will not look as good as using the intended glasses on the intended tv. I've already tried this. I can play a video game with side-by-side. I can watch an old red/blue 3d movie with those cheap anaglygh glasses. But to watch Prometheous in 3D as was shown in the movie theater I need a 3D TV, a HDMI 1.4 card and cable, and the active shutter glasses. I really don't care about all the other "fluff" that my card can do, I just care about watching my 3D blu ray movies as they should be watch. But I do appreciate all the suggesstions. Thanks.

Jimmy

Jong · « **Reply #29 on:** July 07, 2012, 02:01:13 pm »

Yes, of course you are right

They are not as good. No one (I think!) is suggesting that is what you should do. We are just saying, for completeness, that it is possible to watch 3D (even bluray) on a non-1.4 system.

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