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[soleil]

Torrent doesn't seem too happy.  I've gotten 16kB in 30 minutes.
I think it only works when lots of people are hosting the file.
Would it be possible to using something like Sky drive, Google drive, etc.?

In Korea, the speed should be somthing like 5~10 Mbps...
Any way, I deleted the torrent seeding and have just opened a ftp server.
I sent an email again with my ftp server info.

Go to http://filezilla-project.org/ to get the ftp client.

Good Luck...

[Matt]

I've sent the sample.

I hope you will have good news soon.

As they say, the great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from

Anyway, thanks for the DST compressed DFF file.  Look for native support of that format next build.

[Matt]

Also coming soon:
NEW: Added support for SACD .iso files that use large sectors.

Thanks to everyone that has provided samples.

[rael71]

Quote from: rael71 on May 28, 2012, 01:53:42 pm
I've sent the sample.

I hope you will have good news soon.

As they say, the great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from

Anyway, thanks for the DST compressed DFF file.  Look for native support of that format next build.

Thank you!

Bye

Andrea

[Baldy]

Coming next build:
NEW: Added SACD support for DST compressed tracks.
NEW: Added SACD support for multi-channel tracks.

Seems like the support for SACD ISO multi-channel tracks isnt included the newest build? (17.0.165 (6/1/2012)) Or is there smth wrong on my end?

[RC23]

Call to all PlayStation users or PlayStation newbies: Please take part in a thread about PS3 technics and firmware hints.
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=72568.0

[supra]

[17.0.154 is now available at the top of this board]

At the top of this board? what does this mean? where does one actually download this version?
Thanks

[JimH]

The most recent build is always in a thread near the top of this board.

[masayk]

Hi

Is there a plan to support DSD bitstream playback of SACD ISO/DFF files through HDMI so that I can hook my PC to DENON AVC-3909 via HDMI and can enjoy DSD DIRECT MODE just like I do with OPPO BDP-93 and SACD disks? There are some AV receivers that can decode DSD bitsteam through HDMI, instead of converting DSD to PCM.
 
Cheers,
Masayk

[Sandy B Ridge]

Hi

Is there a plan to support DSD bitstream playback of SACD ISO/DFF files through HDMI so that I can hook my PC to DENON AVC-3909 via HDMI and can enjoy DSD DIRECT MODE just like I do with OPPO BDP-93 and SACD disks? There are some AV receivers that can decode DSD bitsteam through HDMI, instead of converting DSD to PCM.
 
Cheers,
Masayk

IIRC this is a driver issue, so Intel/NVIDIA/AMD would need to support it at a driver level to make it work.

SBR

[Baldy]

Sry I missed this nfo before:

There are a few limitations (this list may change with time):
Only two channel ISO files are supported

Is there any progress with this? Is it very complicated so it will take a long time to fix it? Or maybe it even cant be fixed?
This and dvd-a support is all i need for my JRiver experience to be complete :-D

[rotho]

I would like to know how do you manage the tag values in ISO files.

It seems they can't be saved directly in the ISO files ? Is that right ?

I'm asking this because I am currently ripping all my SACDs, which I extract in .dsf files. Since the tag values are sometimes incomplete or incorrect, I often have to make corrections in the tags (for example in the 'Genre' or 'Composer' fields), and I prefer to store the modified tag values directly in the files themselves, because I find this solution more "portable".

So for listening purpose, I store my .dsf files, with the modified tag values, but for archiving purpose, I also store all my .iso files (which I would need for example if some day I have a multi-channel setup, and want to also extract and tag the multichannel .dsf files)

It would be great if I could store the modified tag values directly inside the .iso files, because it would save a lot of disk space, but I suppose the ISO file format does not allow that ?

[Matt]

Sry I missed this nfo before:
Is there any progress with this? Is it very complicated so it will take a long time to fix it? Or maybe it even cant be fixed?

Multi-channel ISO files should now work. 

I only have a couple to test with, so feedback welcome.

[Matt]

I would like to know how do you manage the tag values in ISO files.

It seems they can't be saved directly in the ISO files ? Is that right ?

ISO files often contain tags.  We read them, but don't write them.

I'm asking this because I am currently ripping all my SACDs, which I extract in .dsf files. Since the tag values are sometimes incomplete or incorrect, I often have to make corrections in the tags (for example in the 'Genre' or 'Composer' fields), and I prefer to store the modified tag values directly in the files themselves, because I find this solution more "portable".

Good choice.  JRiver reads and writes the ID3v2 tags inside of .dsf files.

[Baldy]

I would gladly help out with the development, for example by being part of the beta and/or upload files :-)

[rael71]

I'm asking this because I am currently ripping all my SACDs, which I extract in .dsf files. Since the tag values are sometimes incomplete or incorrect, I often have to make corrections in the tags (for example in the 'Genre' or 'Composer' fields), and I prefer to store the modified tag values directly in the files themselves, because I find this solution more "portable".

Just a question, Rotho.

Which software do you use to extract .dsf files from SACD .iso?

The softwares I use extract .dff files and the I have to convert them in .dsf with audiogate.

I also have the problem that Audiogate doesn't support DST compressed files so I cannot convert Those compressed files in .DSF

Thanks and bye

Andrea

[rotho]

Which software do you use to extract .dsf files from SACD .iso?

I use the sacd_extract command (http://code.google.com/p/sacd-ripper/downloads/list).

Here is the syntax :
Usage: sacd_extract [options] [outfile]
  -2, --2ch-tracks                : Export two channel tracks (default)
  -m, --mch-tracks                : Export multi-channel tracks
  -e, --output-dsdiff-em          : output as Philips DSDIFF (Edit Master) file
  -p, --output-dsdiff             : output as Philips DSDIFF file
  -s, --output-dsf                : output as Sony DSF file
  -I, --output-iso                : output as RAW ISO
  -c, --convert-dst               : convert DST to DSD
  -C, --export-cue                : Export a CUE Sheet
  -i, --input[=FILE]              : set source and determine if "iso" image,
                                    device or server (ex. -i192.168.1.10:2002)
  -P, --print                     : display disc and track information

Help options:
  -?, --help                      : Show this help message
  --usage                         : Display brief usage message

I use the options -c -s to get the dsf files.

[laserwolf]

Hello Matt, I have been testing playback of a few sacd iso's. The stereo portion seems to work well but the multichannel files have issues. I tested 3 different sacd iso's and found that all 3 caused media center to crash after the first 5 or so multichannel files. My settings are wasapi event output through hdmi with downsampling to 192 and my htpc uses intel i7 8 cores with 4G ram. The test iso's used were 1. Norah Jones - Come Away with Me 2. Al Di Meola - Consequence of Chaos 3. Beck - Sea Change. Also, is there any progress with improved import method of sacd iso?

[rael71]

I use the sacd_extract command (http://code.google.com/p/sacd-ripper/downloads/list).

Here is the syntax :
Usage: sacd_extract [options] [outfile]
  -2, --2ch-tracks                : Export two channel tracks (default)
  -m, --mch-tracks                : Export multi-channel tracks
  -e, --output-dsdiff-em          : output as Philips DSDIFF (Edit Master) file
  -p, --output-dsdiff             : output as Philips DSDIFF file
  -s, --output-dsf                : output as Sony DSF file
  -I, --output-iso                : output as RAW ISO
  -c, --convert-dst               : convert DST to DSD
  -C, --export-cue                : Export a CUE Sheet
  -i, --input[=FILE]              : set source and determine if "iso" image,
                                    device or server (ex. -i192.168.1.10:2002)
  -P, --print                     : display disc and track information

Help options:
  -?, --help                      : Show this help message
  --usage                         : Display brief usage message

I use the options -c -s to get the dsf files.

Thank you!

I didn't know those command line switches; I tried them and now I can extract directly .dsf!!

Bye
Andrea

[normanl]

I drag-n-drop SACD ISO file to "playing Now" but it won't play showing the message " The ASIO device 'ASIO4ALL v2' does not support the sample rate of 352800 Hz. Playback could not be started on the output 'ASIO' using the format 'DSD 2.8 Mhz 1 bit 2 ch'". I am using v17.0.165 MC and the output is set at  ???96,000 Hz. My foobar has no problem playing SACD ISO files at all. I'd appreciate it much if some one can help me solve this problem

[Christian_Rork]

*updated to version 165 today*

I can get the iso to be recognized but does not playback with my current setup.

With wasapi-style event output and Dsd selected in the video options, I still get nothing.  With Dsd over PCM selected, same thing.

Any thoughts?

Is there a comprehensive setup article or something?

[Baldy]

*updated to version 165 today*

I can get the iso to be recognized but does not playback with my current setup.

With wasapi-style event output and Dsd selected in the video options, I still get nothing.  With Dsd over PCM selected, same thing.

Any thoughts?

Is there a comprehensive setup article or something?

Have you tryed direct sound or wave out as audio output? Those works for me.

[Christian_Rork]

Changed to Direct Sound and it worked.......too bad no wasapi output though.

Thanks!

[Matt]

I drag-n-drop SACD ISO file to "playing Now" but it won't play showing the message " The ASIO device 'ASIO4ALL v2' does not support the sample rate of 352800 Hz. Playback could not be started on the output 'ASIO' using the format 'DSD 2.8 Mhz 1 bit 2 ch'". I am using v17.0.165 MC and the output is set at  ???96,000 Hz. My foobar has no problem playing SACD ISO files at all. I'd appreciate it much if some one can help me solve this problem

In DSP Studio > Output Format, set > 192,000 Hz to output at 44,100 Hz (tune this later once you get it working).

Make sure all bitstreaming is off in Options > Video.

Finally, we don't recommend ASIO4All.  It's just a wrapper of Kernel Streaming, so you're better off using Kernel Streaming directly.  More on that here:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Audio_Output_Modes

[Matt]

@Erik_Rohr, I think the same advice above will help you.  In particular, turn off bitstreaming.

[salora]

Hi matt first congrats for your software, there is no media center but jriver that handle sacd!
I'm actually using foobar + sacd plugin to play my iso of sacd with an asus hdav1.3 deluxe soundcard and asio drivers.
I'm trying jriver because it's more friendly and I need the room correction.

so I've no problem with stereo sacd
but with multichannels sacd I can't have the same sound on the same speaker compare with foobar.
I tried asio offset and channel reordering with no success.

So is there a way to send a test signal to speakers in order to identify them ( as I can do with foobar and channel mapping)
or are you sure of your decoder engine for multichannel sacd??

thanks for considering this.
best regards

[Matt]

so I've no problem with stereo sacd
but with multichannels sacd I can't have the same sound on the same speaker compare with foobar.
I tried asio offset and channel reordering with no success.

So is there a way to send a test signal to speakers in order to identify them ( as I can do with foobar and channel mapping)
or are you sure of your decoder engine for multichannel sacd??

Set DSP Studio > Output Format > Channels to 5.1 or 7.1 (whichever you have).

Play something simple like an MP3.

While that's playing, use DSP Studio > Room Correction to play a test tone to each speaker.

Use 'Order Channels' in DSP Studio > Parametric Equalizer 2 to adjust channel ordering until all speakers are correct.

You might start a new thread if you have more questions about this, and we'll try to help.

[salora]

Set DSP Studio > Output Format > Channels to 5.1 or 7.1 (whichever you have).

Play something simple like an MP3.

While that's playing, use DSP Studio > Room Correction to play a test tone to each speaker.

Use 'Order Channels' in DSP Studio > Parametric Equalizer 2 to adjust channel ordering until all speakers are correct.

You might start a new thread if you have more questions about this, and we'll try to help.

thank u for answering so fast !
I'll try that and let you now on a new thread
regards

[laserwolf]

Is anybody else having problems with multichannel playback? Media Center will only play first 5 or 6 tracks of multichannel iso.

Edit: Issue fixed with update of JRiver MC 17, now just need 3 channel playback.

[Matt]

Is anybody else having problems with multichannel playback? Media Center will only play first 5 or 6 tracks of multichannel iso.

Is there any way you could provide a sample ISO to matt at jriver dot com?  Dropbox maybe?

Does it play with anything other programs?

Thanks.

[ted_b]

Thank you!

I didn't know those command line switches; I tried them and now I can extract directly .dsf!!

Bye
Andrea

Andrea, Hi.  I am new to JRiver but a DSD ripping vet of sorts (I helped Mr Wicked beta test and roll out the ripper and extractor in the US).  Anyway, I have a set of bat files (batch scripts, if you will) that will automate the extraction for a variety of options: DSF, DFF (stereo or multichannel), etc and the biggest advantage is that you can batch multiple ISO's with this, each to their own folder.  No more typing command lines per ISO, etc.  I've also written a pdf called SACD Ripping For Dummies.  PM if you want a copy and/or the bat files.

Matt and gang,
This is VERY cool what you are doing with SACD support.  I stumbled upon JRiver as a great DSF tagging tool while using Linux as my music server (MPD).  However, I am now targeting building a dedicated Windows (CAPS V2-like) machine for multichannel DSD serving, using JRiver as the multichannel player.

Question(s):
1)  I assume JRiver's implementation of DoP will work for multichannel (i.e USB or firewire to a DSD-capable DAC like the Mytek 8X192)
2)  where would I do individual channel trims, and is that even possible with DSD (I'm assuming those trims must be done in analog)?

Thanks again.  I've ripped my collection of 550+ SACD's so if you need any permutation for testing lemme know.  And thanks to folks like BigMac for helping push this.  I own the Meitner MA-1 (little non-ceramic brother to your DAC2X) and the Mytek, and love DSD playback. 

[Matt]

1)  I assume JRiver's implementation of DoP will work for multichannel (i.e USB or firewire to a DSD-capable DAC like the Mytek 8X192)

DoP doesn't currently support more than 2 channels.

Just output PCM (no bitstreaming).  It will sound great and solve your question #2.

2)  where would I do individual channel trims, and is that even possible with DSD (I'm assuming those trims must be done in analog)?

For levels, use DSP Studio > Room Correction.

DSP Studio > Parametric Equalizer has a lot of tools that can work on individual channels as well.

[ted_b]

Matt, thanks but going to all the work of caring for the pristine DSD path only to "just output to PCM" doesn't do it for me.    I will devise an analog trim at the back end.  As for the vehicle, hmmmm. 

[Ychng]

Hi Ted,

Good to see you here. Can't seem to get rid of you! I've been here since before MC supported the Mytek; I bought MC after they got it working for DoP. Matt et al have been remarkably responsive to my requests over the last few months!

However, I guess the solution to much of the issues might be to get ASIO and native DSD working for the Meitner and Mytek. So far as I know the only machine that native DSD ASIO without DoP works for is the Playback Designs machine.
Would love to have MC work with ASIO/native DSD though it might be a driver issue?

Yeang

[Matt]

Matt, thanks but going to all the work of caring for the pristine DSD path only to "just output to PCM" doesn't do it for me. 

This is just my two cents, but I don't think there's any need to feel this way.

SACD is good because it's a high quality version of music you like.  But there's nothing magical about DSD as the final transport.

The conversion to PCM changes 1-bit 2.8 MHz to 64-bit 384 kHz.  That's 8x the data, meaning you're not losing anything.

So I would do the processing digitally.  It's going to be easier and sound better than anything you can cook up in the analog realm.

[ted_b]

Matt, thanks for the response.  I know this is getting way off topic so I will try and summarize my feelings as simply:  any DSD-to-PCM transfers I've listened to just don't sound right to me (at a max of 24/176k; I owned a couple of 32/384k DACs but it was moot due to the DACs' sonics).  Bruce Brown (Puget Sound, does all HDtracks DSD conversions) is a friend, and I like and respect his work, but compared to native DSD the transfers don't hold up for me.  But I realize there are tradeoffs later in the signal path (short of owning a Sonoma workstation) so it is what it is. 

Again, thanks for pushing the envelope on DSD playback.

[salora]

Set DSP Studio > Output Format > Channels to 5.1 or 7.1 (whichever you have).

Play something simple like an MP3.

While that's playing, use DSP Studio > Room Correction to play a test tone to each speaker.

Use 'Order Channels' in DSP Studio > Parametric Equalizer 2 to adjust channel ordering until all speakers are correct.

You might start a new thread if you have more questions about this, and we'll try to help.

@matt
thank u it's working, it was not easy to reorder !
if you allow on more question why do I need to do that? aren't the channels recognise by JRiver?
As we use a DSP to do that is it still bitperfect? or is there any loss?
regards

[Matt]

if you allow on more question why do I need to do that? aren't the channels regognise by JRiver?

There's no standard output order with ASIO.  It seems to vary with each vendor, or worse in some cases like Creative where the default ASIO mapping is a total mess that requires complicated changes in the driver control panel to correct.

As we use a DSP to do that is it still bitperfect? or is there any loss?

Yes, it is.  It only orders the channels.  No changes are made to the data.

[salora]

Is anybody else having problems with multichannel playback? Media Center will only play first 5 or 6 tracks of multichannel iso.

have the same problem but
After the first install of jriver all tracks are played
If i close jriver and restart it perform some kind of installation (maybe an update) and then there is a "playback problem" after track 5 or 6

[salora]

Yes, it is.  It only orders the channels.  No changes are made to the data.

thank u matt

is it the same for room correction? lossless too?

forgive me for my questions i've just discover JR MC
anyway

I will set up everything and then consider buying it !

best regards

[salora]

have the same problem but
After the first install of jriver all tracks are played
If i close jriver and restart it perform some kind of installation (maybe an update) and then there is a "playback problem" after track 5 or 6

just one more thing about this

for example I have an album with 10 tracks, on the sacd I have 10 stereo tracks (from 1 to 10) and 10 multichannels tracks (from 11 to 20)
I can play the 10 stereo tracks, and for the multichannels only 4 tracks , from 11 to 14
when I try to play the next tracks I have the playback error

hope it helps
regards

edit

my mistake
it seems to be solved with the latest build...

[cuonghuutran]

Thanks a lot, Matt.

I had some troubles with adding the rule you mentioned. I could not find the option like ~d=a.
At any way, I created a Smartlist with listing up all document (data) files with ISO extention.
I deleted twice... and it works. 

Thanks again and have a nice day.

p.s. Are you gaoing to support the DVD-audio ISO playback near future like SACD ISO?
     If you need a sample file I will let you have it via Mr. BigMac. 

I have problem with importing some SACD iso too. I don't know how to create the rule ~d=a per Matt response or to create Smartlist with listing all documents (data) with ISO extensions. The pulldown menu in edit/create smartlist does not have document type nor iso extensions.
HELP!!!

[Christian_Rork]

Another thing I noticed is that if the SACD iso's reside on an external drive, JRiver seems to lose the connection of where the files are on the system - whereas if the iso's are JUST on the harddrive of the CPU, its fine.  Any thoughts?

........on a sidenote, its functionality at this point is pretty good and most importantly the sound is awesome, keep up the good work.

Erik

[laserwolf]

My sacd iso's are stored on external drive and haven't had any problems. The only issue I still encounter is with 3 channel playback. Most classical and jazz sacd's have 3 channel files but JRiver MC won't play them. Hopefully a future update will fix the issue but other than that I am very pleased with sacd playback.

[Christian_Rork]

My sacd iso's are stored on external drive and haven't had any problems. The only issue I still encounter is with 5 channel playback. Most classical and jazz sacd's have 5 channel files but JRiver MC won't play them. Hopefully a future update will fix the issue but other than that I am very pleased with sacd playback.

MAC or PC?

[laserwolf]

I'm using a pc with Windows 7 64bit. It might be losing locations when your computer is restarted.

[eddyshere]

Works fantastically for me. I rip my SACD's to iso use extract and store them as .dff in MC17 on my server. Had no problems whatsoever so far. Stereo and multichannel work great. They are sent in PCM 192/24 multichannel over HDMI right now to my Denon Amp.
If now we could trick on of the HDMI drivers from Asus, Intel, AMD or NVIDIA (as I gave up that one of these will tweak their driver in that direction) to output DSD bitstream over HDMI It would be the icing on the cake and my amp would be pleased

[Christian_Rork]

Another thing I noticed is that if the SACD iso's reside on an external drive, JRiver seems to lose the connection of where the files are on the system - whereas if the iso's are JUST on the harddrive of the CPU, its fine.  Any thoughts?

........on a sidenote, its functionality at this point is pretty good and most importantly the sound is awesome, keep up the good work.

Erik

I'm still having the issues with the "file path/file corruption".  I am also using the same software for HTPC applications as well - it seems after I play a video and than try to initiate playback this is when this happens......After I restart the program everything plays fine, but I have to do that every single time after I play a video.  I wonder if/when JRiver will start recognizing the iso's as part of its auto import function as opposed to having to drag/drop them into the library that would fix the problem......

[eddyshere]

Matt, just out of curiosity is there no doable way (don't have this level of IT-knowledge) to force dsd bitstream out ?? or put another way only if amd/NV or Intel implement it in their hdmi audio driver it opens this gate. If the latter is the answer then I better stop hoping and will hunt for usb dsd capable multichannel DAC. what then is the pain is that this DAC should also be able to "digest" dts master hd and dolby true hd....but hey my denon 5308ci does all that...I just should be able to bitstream the dff's over to him.
Does everyone know of a piece of hardware which could do that ??

[Matt]

Matt, just out of curiosity is there no doable way (don't have this level of IT-knowledge) to force dsd bitstream out ?? or put another way only if amd/NV or Intel implement it in their hdmi audio driver it opens this gate.

HDMI does not support DSD bitstreaming, and I think there's little chance of that changing soon.

But DSD-as-PCM sounds great.  You can use that with any hardware, including HDMI.