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[ua100k]

I have a Meitner MA-1 DAC that accepts DSD format directly from JRiver. When I play a file I get an error message

Playback could not be started using the format 352.8 64bit 2 ch
 This format would work 96khz 24bit 2ch
Would you like to have your DSP studio > Output format settings changed automatically.

This is supposed to play native.

I have set the Output Mode to ASIO and the Output mode settings -> device  to the EMM/Meitner ASIO Driver, with Xmos for volume.

What else do I have to do to get this to output the dsd format directly.

This is using Windows 7 on a 64 bit computer. Thanks.

[JimH]

Welcome.  I don't know what jsf files are, and I don't know what xmos is.  Can you describe these?

What is the connection between the PC and the Meitner?

[eddyshere]

@ua100k : do also not know what jsf is...it's certainly a typo and you meant dsf....In options>audio>bitstreaming select custom and then select what the Meitner accepts: DSD if it's native, or DSD over DOP. That should do it. The Meitner doesn't seem to accept high rate PCM > 96 and as long as bitstreaming is not enabled PCM is sent over, that's why you get the error.

[barrylau125]

Hi all,

My computer setting set is the same as ua100k , and encounter the same error message, god anyone can help ?  Million thanks in advance!

now i've setting in JR MC18:
Audio

1. Output mode: WASAPI-Event Style

2. Output mode setting:
XMOS XS-L1 Audio as speaker (Open device for exclusive access;  hardware buffer size: 50milliseconds)

3. Setting: Bitstreaminng: Yes (DSD, DSD over PCM (DoP))

[Matt]

To bitstream DSD, please follow these instructions:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/DSD_Format#Bitstreaming

In particular, you will check only one DSD bitstreaming format, not both.

[barrylau125]

Hi Matt,

Thanks for your guidance information which I have already read before I posted my query here.

Now I have not selected DSD, only remaining DSD over PCM,

3. Setting: Bitstreaminng: Yes (DSD over PCM (DoP))

But there is still an error message attached below (No matter I select DoP 1.0 or Legacy format)
what should I do ?

Please help, thanks!

[john925]

I have a Meitner MA-1 DAC that accepts DSD format directly from JRiver. When I play a file I get an error message

Playback could not be started using the format 352.8 64bit 2 ch
 This format would work 96khz 24bit 2ch
Would you like to have your DSP studio > Output format settings changed automatically.

This is supposed to play native.

I have set the Output Mode to ASIO and the Output mode settings -> device  to the EMM/Meitner ASIO Driver, with Xmos for volume.

What else do I have to do to get this to output the dsd format directly.

This is using Windows 7 on a 64 bit computer. Thanks.

Meitner MA-1 doesn't support dsd(dop) to be played in ASIO Mode, but KS and WASAPI-event both work perfect.  Be sure to select Dop in the bitstream setting.

[Matt]

Hi Matt,

Thanks for your guidance information which I have already read before I posted my query here.

Now I have not selected DSD, only remaining DSD over PCM,

3. Setting: Bitstreaminng: Yes (DSD over PCM (DoP))

But there is still an error message attached below (No matter I select DoP 1.0 or Legacy format)
what should I do ?

Please help, thanks!

It looks to me like you're playing 2x DSD.  This isn't supported for bitstreaming on a lot of hardware.  DoP would require 325kHz x 2 channels for 2x DSD.  It's also possible to bitstream this using 176.4kHz x 4 channels, although MC doesn't yet support this mode (not much hardware does either).

My advice would be to simply disable bitstreaming and play as PCM for these files.

[6233638]

It looks to me like you're playing 2x DSD.  This isn't supported for bitstreaming on a lot of hardware.  DoP would require 325kHz x 2 channels for 2x DSD.  It's also possible to bitstream this using 176.4kHz x 4 channels, although MC doesn't yet support this mode (not much hardware does either).

Huh, I have been thinking about purchasing a Benchmark DAC2, but it only supports inputs up to 24/192. (even though it's using one of those 32-bit Sabre DACs)
It hadn't occurred to me, but I suppose that means it doesn't support 2x DSD.

I am highly skeptical of claims that "HD audio" is actually a big improvement over well mastered 16/44... but I also don't like the idea of lacking support for it either - and unlike higher sample rate PCM, which just lets you use a gentler anti-aliasing filter, there are clearly benefits to 2x DSD when it comes to ultrasonic noise.

[eddyshere]

I use an exasound DAC and am absolutely pleased with it

[HiFiTubes]

It looks to me like you're playing 2x DSD.  This isn't supported for bitstreaming on a lot of hardware.  DoP would require 325kHz x 2 channels for 2x DSD.  It's also possible to bitstream this using 176.4kHz x 4 channels, although MC doesn't yet support this mode (not much hardware does either).

My advice would be to simply disable bitstreaming and play as PCM for these files.

Matt, I agree but the Exasound E20 and the forthcoming Antelope Platinum are two I know of. Will you eventually have this capability?

While there isn't much native material, engineers have discussed upsampling to higher rates of DSD from DSD64 etc. can prove beneficial.

[6233638]

I have been looking into purchasing a new DAC recently, and have been unsure about whether DSD support was something I needed.

When the people behind some of the best performing DACs in the world (Benchmark DAC2, Weiss DAC202) are saying that 24/96 PCM is better than DSD—even though they just added DSD support to their DACs—it tells me that native DSD support is unimportant.

[HiFiTubes]

I have been looking into purchasing a new DAC recently, and have been unsure about whether DSD support was something I needed.

When the people behind some of the best performing DACs in the world (Benchmark DAC2, Weiss DAC202) are saying that 24/96 PCM is better than DSD—even though they just added DSD support to their DACs—it tells me that native DSD support is unimportant.

Do more research. 24/192 and DSD are both viable formats when done right. So is 16/44. As many have said, if it's direct to DSD, then play back in DSD - if 24/192 then playback in PCM. There are many affordable DSDs at this point. Purchasing one without DSD capability might be shortsighted. Yes, there is much out of print DSD at this point but there are many good titles. If you can find them or "archive" them.