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JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« on: April 20, 2013, 09:21:44 am »

This is the latest version of MC 18.  Please post bugs here.  Please start a new thread for anything requiring discussion.  Non-bug posts will be deleted.

Download: http://files.jriver.com/mediacenter/channels/v18/latest/MediaCenter180171.exe

History: http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=74442.0

18.0.171 (4/19/2013)

1. Fixed: A call to JRWorker.exe to import a file (used for video) could fail when the video was referenced in a playlist.
2. Changed: Updated Chinese language file (thanks kelijun).
3. Changed: Playing an image from a mixed media type list will play only the images.
4. Changed: Handheld sync displays more accurate progress and time estimates in cases where the upload, conversion, or download is running much slower than the other concurrent stages.
5. Changed: Updated traditional Chinese language file (by directly converting from the simplified Chinese file).
6. Fixed: Hulu playback was not working.
7. Fixed: In some cases, the row of times at the top of the Theater View television guide could stop updating as you scrolled right.
8. Fixed: When switching to a television channel of a different tuner type (for example ATSC to cable), the confirmation popup window (if the user has configured to show it) might be shown twice.
9. Changed: Updated German language file (thanks Bytestar).
10. Faster: Improved performance of dragging the thumbnail size slider.
11. Changed: Red October uses LAV filters version 0.56.2 (thanks to nevcairiel).
12. Fixed: MC could crash if user tried to stop a television playback immediately after starting to play a channel.
13. Changed: Television engine ignores Stop request if it has not finished starting to play a channel.
14. Changed: If the program is configured to use a cover art folder that is not available or writable, the default cover art folder will be used for that run of the program (the same validation runs when setting a folder and won't allow you to set a non-writable folder).
15. Changed: If the program is configured to save art next to files, it will nicely handle cases when sidecar artwork is not writable on the file system (by falling back to the cover art folder).
16. Changed: DLNA: Allow playlist manipulation in conjunction with setNextAVTransportURI.

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18.0.170 (4/16/2013)

1. [b]SDK[/b]: Added ZoneID, ZoneName, and LinkedZones to MCWS/v1/Playback/Info response.
2. Changed: Pushing 'Enter' on a secondary roller in Theater View that switches views will shift the focus to the list.
3. Changed: Red October uses [b]LAV[/b] filters version 0.56.1.
4. Changed: Red October HQ uses [b]madVR[/b] version 0.86.1.
5. NEW: A saved [b]Play Doctor[/b] Playchart allows setting the number of output files to 100, 250, 500, or 1000 (previously it was locked at 100).
6. Changed: When a JPEG has no tags, no IPTC tag will be written instead of an empty IPTC tag.
7. [b]Fixed: When a CUE file pointed to a missing WAV file, it would lead to problems[/b].
8. Fixed: MC passed some incorrect parameters to some OpenCable television devices.

18.0.169 (4/15/2013)

1. Fixed: Ceton InfiniTV (and other OpenCable devices) did not work in client-server situation (i.e. client could not play a cable channel with tuner only available on server).
2. NEW: When enabling Media Network, a wizard is shown that steps through starting the server, getting an Access Key, and selecting the best server for your renderer.
3. Changed: Consolidated the list of DLNA server presets and added a preset for Audiophile DACs.
4. Fixed: SSDP discovery (used by DLNA) was not working in some cases in builds 167 and 168.
5. Changed: DLNA options to be more descriptive of what's actually going on.

18.0.168 (4/12/2013)

1. Fixed: Scheduled television recording could crash in build 18.0.167 in some situations.
2. Changed: Changed DLNA DoPE option name to "Bitstream DSD (requires DoPE compliant renderer)".
3. Fixed: When increasing the size of image-based subtitles using the 'Size' setting, a subtitle could get too large to fit on the video and get truncated (now the subtitle will not be sized beyond the point of filling the video).
4. Changed: The AAC encoder for video conversion to get better quality audio.
5. Changed: Text subtitles use a slightly smaller default size (size is customizable in Options > Video).
6. Changed: SSA subtitles honor the font size specified in the SSA style block more exactly.
7. Changed: When text is both outlined and drop shadowed, it will look better.
8. Fixed: SSDP servers were not working properly in 18.0.167.
9. Changed: Added '10 channels' as a possible output mode in DSP Studio > Output Format.
10. Fixed: Stopping video playback that was using a third-party COM-based playback engine could cause problems.
11. NEW: Holding down the Shift key while double-clicking an audio track will start Play Doctor playback with that track (equivalent to right-click > More Play Options > Play (with Play Doctor)).
12. Changed: Tuned some Theater View margins and sizing so that the information below the television guide is exactly large enough for a title and two lines of description.
13. Changed: When picking a program in the future or past from the television guide in Theater View, the option to 'Watch Channel Live' will be available (the option is simply called 'Watch' if the program will be on within 15 minutes).
14. Fixed: A few command line launcher commands were not working properly.
15. Fixed: Removing and then adding columns while the column right click menu was open could put the new columns in the wrong spot.
16. Fixed: Windows 7 taskbar button playback controls would sometimes not show up.

18.0.167 (4/10/2013)

1. Changed: Removed 'Level' tool from DSP Studio > Room Correction.  Please use the newer Audio Tools > Advanced Tools > Audio Calibration... > Volume calibration to perform calibration.
2. Changed: The 'Tone' tool in DSP Studio > Room Correction uses instrument grade -20dB narrow band pink noise instead of full spectrum pink noise.
3. NEW: Theater View television guide has a 'To Be Recorded' view (requires resetting Theater View views in Options > Theater View > Reset!...).
4. Changed: Added a 'Record' item that shows more detailed status about recording to the Theater View TV Guide file info template (requires a reset of File Info templates in Options > Theater View > Customize file info panel... > Manage > Reset All Templates To Default).
5. Fixed: Ceton InfiniTV (and other OpenCable devices) did not work in non-time-shifting mode.
6. Changed: The clock in Theater View's Obsidian skins shows in any library view filled with TV guide entries, instead of only showing at a view with a literal name Video\Guide.

18.0.166 (4/9/2013)

1. Fixed: M4A / ALAC tagging reading and writing could be problematic if the 'Play files from memory' option was enabled.
2. NEW: DLNA server, add advanced option that allows the server to passthrough DoPE compliant files.
3. Changed: Removed a couple of obsolete DLNA server advanced options.
4. Changed: Added a clock to the top right of Guide views in Theater View (requires using Obsidian skin and the default Video\Guide placement for the guide).
5. Fixed: Crash on starting to play a television channel in the last few builds, if it was the first time ever a TV channel was played in MC18 on a computer.
6. Fixed: When entering into some types of Theater View views, the internal path could become unexpectedly shortened, causing skin items that key off path to work sporadically.
7. Changed: When a Theater View file info template specifies "no image", space will no longer be left above the text block.
8. Changed: Theater View television guide files no longer show thumbnails (since there never are thumbnails for individual programs at the guide level, they just showed as blanks).
9. Changed: Added expression functions TVInfo(Record) and TVInfo(RecordMark) to make displaying if a guide program will be recorded easier (used by Theater View guide).
10. NEW: Theater View TV Guide uses a normal, user-customizable file info template and caption instead of using hard-coded values (requires a reset of File Info templates in Options > Theater View > Customize file info panel... > Manage > Reset All Templates To Default).
11. NEW: Theater View shows a red record mark next to any TV guide programs that will record.
12. Fixed: Burning of SACD ISO tracks to a regular audio CD was not working.
13. Fixed: DLNA servers that had their Friendly name changed were not being found under their new name if they had been loaded before.

18.0.165 (4/8/2013)

1. [b]NEW: Experimenting with supporting CableCARD devices "Hauppauge OpenCable Receiver" and "HDHomeRun Prime Tuner"[/b].
2. Changed: The user setting for number of conversions to run at one time was not being honored when converting videos.
3. Changed: Updated Korean language file (thanks to Junghwnan).
4. Fixed: If a video converter failed to start, it could crash when closing.
5. Fixed: In some cases, a failed video conversion could show 'Complete' instead of 'Failed' in the status column.
6. Fixed: Converting multiple videos at one time could fail with certain target video formats.
7. Fixed: Tooltip windows were creating a taskbar button.
8. Fixed: Double-click on a different image in Playing Now while images were playing was not working properly.
9. Fixed: The current file info window could be stuck with "Waiting" message upon changing television channel in some cases.
10. [b]Changed: Improved image playback system[/b] so that it does smarter cache management and only prebuffers the previous / next image after the current image finishes loading.

18.0.164 (4/5/2013)

1. Changed: Clarified the new license restore system when using a license code purchased from a reseller (instead of directly from JRiver).
2. Fixed: Converting multiple videos at one time with the format converter would crash.
3. Changed: Switched the default start page to jriver.com/start.html (program uses 'Playing Now' when Internet is not available; custom start pages in 'Custom Webpages\Start' still supported).
4. Fixed: If a new library failed to load on a configuration with only one library, it could lead to a crash.
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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2013, 11:12:50 am »

After version 158 I have the following problems:
1. When playing a video or audio file - turning the volume slider up or down with the cursor the little white box under it doesn't show the volume change.
2. When playing a video file - pressing the stop button with the cursor stops the playback but the screen goes black and doesn't switch back to the library screen.
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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2013, 02:20:11 pm »

After version 158 I have the following problems:
1. When playing a video or audio file - turning the volume slider up or down with the cursor the little white box under it doesn't show the volume change.
2. When playing a video file - pressing the stop button with the cursor stops the playback but the screen goes black and doesn't switch back to the library screen.

I get no.2 on your list too.
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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2013, 06:59:37 pm »

There is a bug with overview for the last couple of builds. The display windows are out of position. See lower arrow at the attached screenshot.

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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2013, 11:28:36 pm »

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18.0.170
If i control MC 18 on HTPC through my Tablet (MC 18),the playback bar in theater view (List) on Tablet is not following the marked song in the list, when the next song starts.
Very annoying.So background images are always the same from the first played song (Artist).

Updated both to 171 and now it's even worse than before.MC on Tablet reacts slower than before when i try to control HTPC with it.With 170 i heard a sound when song was changing in the list but the playback bar didn't move.
Now,nothing happens,no sound,no movement.
Starting a movie on tablet from HTPC takes ages until playback starts on tablet.And locks up MC until the movie starts.
With 170 i had only one little problem,described above,but now it isn't funny to use MC HTPC through tablet.
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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2013, 05:18:41 am »

18.0.169/170/171 Crashes when library is changed from Theatre View.

Crash is reproducible

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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2013, 05:22:51 am »

A bug I have just come across when trying to manage my ever-increasing music library is that the Dropdown-style Panes view doesn't work correctly.
If I have four categories set up in it, for example: [Album Artist (Auto)], [Album], [Year], [Keywords]
The first three categories all show the results for [Album Artist (Auto)], and the fourth one (keywords) shows the results for [Album]


On a similar note, the dropdown-style panes view has a search field at the top of each category - perhaps it would be useful to have that in the regular panes view?

There is a bug with overview for the last couple of builds. The display windows are out of position. See lower arrow at the attached screenshot.
Yep, still happening here. I have an Nvidia graphics card with the latest drivers installed - I don't know if it is exclusive to them or not.
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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2013, 07:54:25 pm »

I just had 171 eat a WAV+CUE file I pulled off one of my old drives. (gapless playback used to be such a nuisance)
I was converting to ALAC with the Replace original file on disk and in library option, four at a time, and after the fourth file the other conversions failed because it had deleted the WAV.

This has not been a problem with FLAC+CUE thus far, and I don't have a sample of it to upload. (I'll just have to rip the CD again - I don't remember what I used to create the original WAV+CUE files as it was probably a decade ago)
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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2013, 11:15:29 pm »

Handheld Sync

In experimenting with this function as a backup tool I found some glitches on first run.

Looks like Handheld Sync has some bugs which show some files as identical when fields are empty, but filename (path) is clearly different. Or, they all have just one field e.g. Track3.

Could Filename (Path) field be used as a fallback I wonder, or a default first field to check, when Artist/Album/Genre etc. are empty?
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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2013, 05:08:16 am »

Just upgraded to 18.0.171 and can't run live tv now. When entering live tv I can hear one second of sound, but no video then application crash (there's LAVvideo.ax in the details box). Media Center 18.exe process still appears in processes window and can't be killed - I have to restart PC to run MC18 again.
My graphics card is AMD 6310 integrated in AMD E350 APU and STB is connected via Hauppauge HD PVR. I use Red October Standard. Tried video clock on and off and get app crash every time.
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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2013, 11:59:35 am »

Just upgraded to 18.0.171 and can't run live tv now. When entering live tv I can hear one second of sound, but no video then application crash (there's LAVvideo.ax in the details box). Media Center 18.exe process still appears in processes window and can't be killed - I have to restart PC to run MC18 again.
My graphics card is AMD 6310 integrated in AMD E350 APU and STB is connected via Hauppauge HD PVR. I use Red October Standard. Tried video clock on and off and get app crash every time.

I have HD PVR and it has been working just fine.  Please send me a log.  yaobing at jriver dot com
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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2013, 12:50:43 pm »

This version keeps crashing during auto import > from a NAS trying to fix broken links. 
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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2013, 01:43:05 pm »

This version keeps crashing during auto import > from a NAS trying to fix broken links. 

Please use Help > Logging and send a crash log to logs [at] jriver (dot) com.

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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2013, 01:45:23 pm »

Looks like Handheld Sync has some bugs which show some files as identical when fields are empty, but filename (path) is clearly different. Or, they all have just one field e.g. Track3.

For now, you'll have to fill in metadata.

With handhelds, the metadata (artist, album, name) is what defines what an audio file is as opposed to the filename.

This has some overlap with a handheld thing I want, but I don't think it will happen for a while:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=79903.0
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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2013, 02:00:37 pm »

Just upgraded to 18.0.171 and can't run live tv now. When entering live tv I can hear one second of sound, but no video then application crash (there's LAVvideo.ax in the details box). Media Center 18.exe process still appears in processes window and can't be killed - I have to restart PC to run MC18 again.
My graphics card is AMD 6310 integrated in AMD E350 APU and STB is connected via Hauppauge HD PVR. I use Red October Standard. Tried video clock on and off and get app crash every time.

Thanks for the log.  Unfortunately, the log does not give me any direct connection between the crash and any TV code.  It is therefore not likely a TV only problem.  The crash occurred in LAV video decoder.

Do you get a crash playing non-TV video files?  Is it related to any particular video options?  You indicated that you have tried video clock.  What about hardware acceleration?
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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2013, 02:36:18 pm »

In the past few days I tried to investigate the reason why this version of JRiver (but previous versions could be affected) kept crashing when auto importing my huge library. Since it happened each time when parsing the same folders, I think I managed to isolate the problem, at least in one instance.
The crash should be reproduced if you try to import a folder with this cue sheet in it:

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REM GENRE
REM DATE
REM DISCID 15031B03
REM COMMENT "ExactAudioCopy v0.99pb5"
REM COMMENT "Cue Created at http://eachelper.okamihost.com/"
PERFORMER "Swans"
TITLE "Can't Find My Way Home"
FILE "01 - Can't Find My Way Home.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 01 AUDIO
    TITLE "Can't Find My Way Home"
    PERFORMER "Swans"
    INDEX 01 00:00:00

The cue sheet may even be the only file in the folder (no audio files). The problem seems related to the second of the "REM COMMENT" lines (internet address? If you delete it, everything's fine).

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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2013, 03:03:13 pm »

In the past few days I tried to investigate the reason why this version of JRiver (but previous versions could be affected) kept crashing when auto importing my huge library. Since it happened each time when parsing the same folders, I think I managed to isolate the problem, at least in one instance.
The crash should be reproduced if you try to import a folder with this cue sheet in it:

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REM GENRE
REM DATE
REM DISCID 15031B03
REM COMMENT "ExactAudioCopy v0.99pb5"
REM COMMENT "Cue Created at http://eachelper.okamihost.com/"
PERFORMER "Swans"
TITLE "Can't Find My Way Home"
FILE "01 - Can't Find My Way Home.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 01 AUDIO
    TITLE "Can't Find My Way Home"
    PERFORMER "Swans"
    INDEX 01 00:00:00

The cue sheet may even be the only file in the folder (no audio files). The problem seems related to the second of the "REM COMMENT" lines (internet address? If you delete it, everything's fine).

Thanks in advance

That issue should be fixed:

18.0.170 (4/16/2013)
Fixed: When a CUE file pointed to a missing WAV file, it would lead to problems.

Are you using build 171?
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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2013, 03:32:03 pm »

Please use Help > Logging and send a crash log to logs [at] jriver (dot) com.

Thanks.

Done..
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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2013, 03:40:55 pm »

That issue should be fixed:

18.0.170 (4/16/2013)
Fixed: When a CUE file pointed to a missing WAV file, it would lead to problems.

Are you using build 171?

Yes   :(

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Media Center
    Install Path: C:\Program Files (x86)\J River\Media Center 18\
    Interface Plugins: TiVo Server (not running)
    JRMark: never run
    Library: 17 files, 117 KB in library, 50 bytes in thumbnails
    Resources: 19,7 MB memory, 234 handles
    Version: 18.0.171.0 Registered
Memory & CPU
    CPU features: MMX, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1
    Free Physical Memory: 2,7 GB
    Total Memory: 4,0 GB
Operating System
    Microsoft Windows 8 64-bit
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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2013, 03:48:09 pm »

18.0.171 Crashed this evening for no good reason after the movie finished.

Log available.

Not sure what has changed in these last versions but J River is very flaky with this crash and the library change crash reported earlier.
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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2013, 03:56:00 pm »

Thanks for the log.  Unfortunately, the log does not give me any direct connection between the crash and any TV code.  It is therefore not likely a TV only problem.  The crash occurred in LAV video decoder.

Do you get a crash playing non-TV video files?  Is it related to any particular video options?  You indicated that you have tried video clock.  What about hardware acceleration?

I always use hardware acceleration because this cpu is too slow for software video decoding. I checked different types of video  incl. avi/divx, mpg/mpeg2, m2ts, bdmv and when I clicked mpeg file then message appears "adding required components" or something like that, then after playing for few seconds I tried to play live TV and it worked the first time since upgrade to 18.0.171, then I stopped, switched to theater view and play live tv again and app crash :( Maybe there is an AMD related bug in latest LAV Video codec. Now I reinstalled 18.0.170 and TV works ok.
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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2013, 04:53:44 pm »

I have also noticed some strange behavior when switching between libraries in the last few builds. I used to be able to switch libraries quickly and then the library I switched to - would always "land" on the same view  (like Recent Albums for example) that I was on in the previous library.

Now when I switch - MC seems to grind away for 5 or 6 seconds and then when it finally does make the switch - the library opens with a blank tab - with nothing on it.

EDIT: It takes about 10 seconds and a webpage that looks like the JRiver Media Center web page finally opens and the tab title says "Start".

However - I specifically have MC set in Options (under Startup Interface) to go to Audio - and to never go to "start" . But these last few builds seem to send me there anyway?

I only have two libraries and both library filesets are on this local machine. Do I have a setting messed up somewhere?

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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2013, 05:26:20 pm »

That issue should be fixed:

18.0.170 (4/16/2013)
Fixed: When a CUE file pointed to a missing WAV file, it would lead to problems.

Are you using build 171?
I think you scanned the post too fast.

He said that removing the COMMENT with an Internet address fixed the problem, not the FILE command in the cue file.

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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2013, 01:34:54 am »

I think you scanned the post too fast.

He said that removing the COMMENT with an Internet address fixed the problem, not the FILE command in the cue file.

That's correct. I've just found another CUE which makes JRiver crash. Again, two conditions must be verified: a FILE line which points to a .wav file AND a COMMENT line with an internet address in it.
If you either change the reference from .wav to, for example,.flac or remove the comment line, everything's fine.
You should be able to reproduce the problem easily.
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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2013, 10:01:32 am »

That's correct. I've just found another CUE which makes JRiver crash. Again, two conditions must be verified: a FILE line which points to a .wav file AND a COMMENT line with an internet address in it.
If you either change the reference from .wav to, for example,.flac or remove the comment line, everything's fine.
You should be able to reproduce the problem easily.

That was kind of an amazing one.

We use a special XML filename format that can contain metadata.  The comment gets embedded in a special XML filename during import.

When the comment referenced a URL, it caused some filename parsing code to incorrectly think the XML filename was a URL.

Next build:
Fixed: CUE files that contained URLs in comments could lead to a crash.
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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2013, 11:38:54 am »

After some time playing a movie the right mouse clicks don't show any submenu anymore, so no switch of audio or subtitle streams are possible anymore

It just works right after starting a movie
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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2013, 12:15:12 pm »

After some time playing a movie the right mouse clicks don't show any submenu anymore, so no switch of audio or subtitle streams are possible anymore

It just works right after starting a movie

+1

Noticing this for a few builds. Also, no control bar at top in detached display.
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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2013, 04:34:14 pm »

After version 158 I have the following problems:
1. When playing a video or audio file - turning the volume slider up or down with the cursor the little white box under it doesn't show the volume change.
2. When playing a video file - pressing the stop button with the cursor stops the playback but the screen goes black and doesn't switch back to the library screen.

I can't reproduce either of these.

Maybe you could start a thread and provide some more details?  Try Red October Standard vs HQ.
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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2013, 01:36:48 am »

continue seeing madVR exception errors at random channel changes. can be cable to cable or cable to atsc.
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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2013, 05:50:14 pm »

[have been seeing this for many builds, but better late than never...]

When entering "Options" in order to check a setting (I do this often just to let other Interact members know where they can find the option they need), but without changing anything, MC18 asks "Do you want to save or discard your changes?".

This can be confusing or alarming to users, and general GUI practice in all other programs is to use a flag which is set only when the user has made an actual change, and to only display the Save/Discard dialog when the flag has been set.

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Re: JRiver Media Center 18.0.171 -- Available Here
« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2013, 05:56:37 pm »

[have been seeing this for many builds, but better late than never...]

When entering "Options" in order to check a setting (I do this often just to let other Interact members know where they can find the option they need), but without changing anything, MC18 asks "Do you want to save or discard your changes?".

This can be confusing or alarming to users, and general GUI practice in all other programs is to use a flag which is set only when the user has made an actual change, and to only display the Save/Discard dialog when the flag has been set.

From Media Center 17.0.69:

Quote from: MrC
Long time annoyance.  Open Options, immediately Cancel via Escape, MC asks to Confirm Save Changes.  There were none.

Repeat by:
  Ctrl-o
  Escape

Perhaps Options needs a dirty bit.

Quote from: Matt
There's a 'Don't ask me again' checkbox you could use.  Or you could click 'OK' or 'Cancel' instead of closing.

I agree having a dirty flag would be better, but some of the pages check settings against the registry (which can be changed externally) among other things making this more complex than you might expect.

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Ok, I'll adjust my annoyance knob and live with it.  I was hoping it might be a simple oversight/w a quick fix.
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