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[Guernsey]

Hi

No real problems just a question

I have 2 computers running MC one in my "den" I use to clean up tags edit all my audio files then I send the audio files to my front room Laptop computer to
play the music and to watch Theatre view on my big screen

The "den" computer is fine a Jr score of 2727 (fairly new computer)

The front room computer gives a score of around 931 and is a bit slow with the built in 3D visualizations - CPU usage very high sometimes

So I don't want to replace the "front room" computer just speed it up

Its sole purpose in life is to run MC and to connect to the internet for theatre view nothing else

I have removed Microsoft .NET etc and have MSSE as the anti virus set up as in your support pages

Its Win 7 64bit 4GB memory

So which services etc can I turn off to run only MC and nothing else ?

Thanks Steve


Library
    Total files: 67383
    Audio files: 67369
    Image files: 0
    Video files: 0
    Other files: 14
Processing
    Thumbnails built: 100% (67383 of 67383)
    Audio analyzed: 100% (67369 of 67369)
Background Tools Running
    No tools currently running
Power
    Mode change (disable screensaver, keep monitor on) [expires in 1 minute]
Media Center
    Version: 19.0.108.0 Registered
    Install path: C:\Program Files (x86)\J River\Media Center 19\
    Interface plug-ins: Interface Plugins: TiVo Server (not running)
    JRMark: 931 (version 19.0.67)
    Memory used: 24.4 MB memory
    Handles used: 1732 handles
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[InflatableMouse]

Personally I don't think it will help.

Back in the days I used to try to squeeze the last bit of performance out of a pc by turning off all sorts of things. Back then pc's were a lot slower and mostly single cpu/single cores. Overall performance never came up but what it changed was the occasional stutter during a 3d shooter when some background thing suddenly became active. Very situational and never a garantee it even worked (coincidence, placebo, etc).

Stopping services is not going to help you IMHO.

[Guernsey]

Cheers, probably best I save up for a Top Spec computer....

Steve

[MusicBringer]

"Its Win 7 64bit 4GB memory"

For little cost I would double the RAM to 8GB.

[InflatableMouse]

That won't give the performance increase he is looking for.

Running MC19 with Memory playback and background tasks such as analysis and total my htpc is using around 2GB (looking at it right now). Adding an extra 4GB won't matter.

So unless he's using other memory hungry programs its not going to change much.

Adding memory brings a performance increase if there isn't enough memory and Windows starts swapping out to disk.

That's not to say adding memory is bad; on the contrary. All I'm saying is that its probably not what he's looking for that's all.

[MusicBringer]

@InflatableMouse, thanks for that 

[kstuart]

The answer to the stated question is at:

http://www.blackviper.com

[InflatableMouse]

He didn't ask which services he could simply stop, he asked whether he could speed things up by stopping services.

Stopping no amount of services will accomplish that what he asked.

Stopping services for a pc you work on will more often than not lead to trouble. My advise is to leave it as it is unless you know exactly what you're doing (but then you won't be here to ask ).

[Guernsey]

Thanks for all your replies guys

I don't think there is a memory issue as on the task manager it only goes to about 60% when under load (ie using the built in visualizations)

More of a CPU getting up to near 100% - again only when using the built in visualizations

My G-Force visualization plug in downloaded works ok

As you can see from the MC report I have NVIDIA GeForce 8400M GS built in to the laptop and SB Xtreme Audio Notebook expresscard 54 (SPDIF out) which I hoped would take a bit of load off the CPU

So my plan was to turn off any services etc and things running in the background to save any extra draw on the CPU - the task manager is a bit vague on how much each service / process is actually using

Thanks Steve

[JimH]

So my plan was to turn off any services etc and things running in the background to save any extra draw on the CPU ...

This is not a good idea.  It can cause problems. 

Antivirus programs can be a factor.

[Listener]

I don't think there is a memory issue as on the task manager it only goes to about 60% when under load (ie using the built in visualizations)

More of a CPU getting up to near 100% - again only when using the built in visualizations

So my plan was to turn off any services etc and things running in the background to save any extra draw on the CPU - the task manager is a bit vague on how much each service / process is actually using

You might use Task Manager to see whether any services are using significant amounts of CPU time or doing much I/O.  On my PCs, they don't.

Are you wedded to seeing 3D visualizations?

[Guernsey]

Are you wedded to seeing 3D visualizations?

Yes that's the plan my favourite built in visualization is "Spectrum Analyzer" which looks and works great on my "den" computer but
struggles a bit on my front room laptop and sends the CPU usage sky high

So probably answering my own question my Laptop is not up to top end graphics by the look of it.

[robgil]

You could try running CCleaner or a fresh install of the OS.
As for memory I believe there is a way to increase the virtual memory if needs be.

[kstuart]

He didn't ask which services he could simply stop, he asked whether he could speed things up by stopping services.

Stopping no amount of services will accomplish that what he asked.

Stopping services for a pc you work on will more often than not lead to trouble. My advise is to leave it as it is unless you know exactly what you're doing (but then you won't be here to ask ).

Actually that is not true, and that is what Black Viper's site is about.

Microsoft actually later disabled some of the services that he years ago recommended be disabled...

By the way, for a Home Theater PC that is used in real time, stopping services that can startup at any point, can lead to smoother playback for both video and audio.

[JimH]

Actually that is not true, and that is what Black Viper's site is about.

Microsoft actually later disabled some of the services that he years ago recommended be disabled...

By the way, for a Home Theater PC that is used in real time, stopping services that can startup at any point, can lead to smoother playback for both video and audio.

I'm sorry, but I do not agree, and JRiver does not recommend disabling Windows services.