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[stewart_pk]

3D! 3D! 3D!

[Awesome Donkey]

3D! 3D! 3D!

Already been discussed, won't happen.

[Ekpen]

Already been discussed, won't happen.

Please do not say "it will not happen". Is 3D not considered video?

MC developers tend to add features they use, not what will tend to help market their software.
3D discussion has been going on for almost two years now. Video support is not going to be completed without 3D. A built in video player with 3D support is what we need. Whether Hendrik will add this feature is a different matter.
The powers to be within this organization tend to spend lots of time adding audio features, most of the feature in audio, I do not even use and to be frank, most forum members do not use some of these features. What a waste of time. It is a disappointment for a 12 year old plus media software to not still have 3D support. MC for windows is not a new software. It has been around for a while, with lots of potentials, but missing a feature that will make it great !

It is sounding like time wasted and money thrown away  for upgrading to MC 21.

One thing, upgrading is cheap, for what we are been asked to pay, why not hire more help to code the theater view, or redesign the theater view and let all MC platforms use this new theater view. MC for Mac almost two years old, MC for Linux almost 18 months old, still no theater view, this is not good news.

Forums members , I am sure are not complaining about the cost of your program, but the excuse, we do not have enough staff, to implement this or that.
The answer to this continued dodging of the essentials in the fascinating software is to add requested features, by employing more coders.. I am sure a few  Kodi programmers will love to  come on board.
 
This goes to prove a fact.. MC is for audio, not really for Video.

Saying 3D is not going to happen is a sin and a crime ( my own word). With this type of business model, the company is really limiting itself, and thus driving potential customers away.

What  am I going to do with more that 100 blu ray movies in 3D/mkv? I want an internal player within all MC platforms that will play movies without regards to 3D or no 3D.
In my own words again, this is a sin or a crime, no matter how you look at it. We have been talking about this 3D stuff for almost two years now.
Every time users will come to the forum and ask, if 3D feature will be forth coming, the answer is "No" . This is not right? JRiver.com is not a new corporation founded last year.

Yesterday, I went to BB to browse at MAC Pro with 5K Retina, trying to take advantage of my Master License, but I can not see my self getting more hardware without the ability to have software that will give me full use of the computer.

Hendrik, please provide a time table as to when you are going to add 3D support or if 3D feature will NEVER be implemented.

Thanks

George Omoregie.

[Awesome Donkey]

Let me rephrase, it won't happen anytime soon... if ever? Not really too sure what the future holds there in regards to Blu-Ray 3D/menu support.

P.S. Jim/Matt/Hendrik, you guys really should consider posting a sticky topic explaining the Blu-Ray stuff. At least if users ask we can post the link to said topic.

EDIT: It's in the Wiki!

However, MC does not support the Java or BDMV menus included with many commercial discs, as there is no currently available open decoder required for this support. To watch your movies in the highest quality, you don't need them, though! To access the menu press the Up/Down arrow keys or right click on the playing video.

Most commercial 3D BD disks use a version of AVC encoding called "multiview video coding (MVC)". MC does not support MVC and all such 3D BD disks will play as 2D.

[flac.rules]

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What  am I going to do with more that 100 blu ray movies in 3D/mkv? I want an internal player within all MC platforms that will play movies without regards to 3D or no 3D.

What is needed for MKV 3D? I run side by side encoded 3D in mkvs, and that works fine.

[stewart_pk]

Assuming you're talking about 3D Blu-Ray (and Blu-Ray menu) support one of the many recent discussions can be found here. There's legal issues, licensing issues, DRM, etc. when dealing with Blu-Ray unfortunately which prevents this currently as you probably already know from posting in that topic.

3D and Blu-Ray and Blu-Ray Menu support are two separate issues. I mentioned the former and said nothing about the latter.

[natehansen66]

The powers to be within this organization tend to spend lots of time adding audio features, most of the feature in audio, I do not even use and to be frank, most forum members do not use some of these features. What a waste of time.

I guess it's all in your perception. The way I see it, the last few years have been mostly video and ui upgrades (looking at the log for the new builds). These things aren't a priority for me but I know they are for many so I really don't make a big deal about it.

[Sesam]

3D and Blu-Ray and Blu-Ray Menu support are two separate issues. I mentioned the former and said nothing about the latter.

3D:
I have seen 3D video files available as MP4 and MKV, that do not contain any encryption and there shouldn't be any licensing issues as far as I know. And now I'm not only talking about ripped content, some commercial sites (mostly adult) have 3D video files. Also if you have an unencrypted Blu-ray movie, it should be possible too.

BD Menu:
Displaying Blu-ray menu structures can and has been reverse engineered. Considering that the VLC team managed to do it without licensing, then we know it is technically possible.

So yea, I think it is important that when feature requests are made for 3D and BD Menu support, that these aren't immediately discarded as impossible because of licensing issues. We all know that support for encrypted Blu-ray movies out of the box will most likely never happen, because of licensing. But that is a completely different issue from 3D and BD Menu support.

[Hendrik]

Displaying Blu-ray menu structures can and has been reverse engineered. Considering that the VLC team managed to do it without licensing, then we know it is technically possible.

So yea, I think it is important that when feature requests are made for 3D and BD Menu support, that these aren't immediately discarded as impossible because of licensing issues. We all know that support for encrypted Blu-ray movies out of the box will most likely never happen, because of licensing. But that is a completely different issue from 3D and BD Menu support.

BD Menu support also requires licensing. There is a big difference between a free program providing reverse engineered support, or a company trying to sell a product based on that.
As such, we do not plan to offer BD Menu support, until such a time when the licensing terms of the Blu-ray Association drastically change (ie. never).

We've made our stance on this topic quite clear before, so please consider this case closed for the time being.

[bhampster]

I'm going to add 3D to my JRiver setup even if it means having JRiver launch an external program.

Like another poster mentioned, I have more than 100 3D Blu Rays. JRiver is in charge of all my media and I can't put the 3D aside for ever.

I have put the 3D aside temp as I load up my 1200 2D Blus but I plan to get Stereoscopic player and JRiver to work together to add 3D playback via JRiver.

-Brian

[WeeHappyPixie]

I would love native support for 3D MVC encoded MKV files. At present I use Stereoscopic player to play these and Hendrik was nice enough to separate the mkv and mk3d file formats to allow me to start playing an MVC file with Stereoscopic player from within MC20. Native MVC 3D would be the bees knees. I'm not really interested in menu support. When I want to watch a movie I don't want to be forced to watch all the guff the publishers throw down your neck with certain disks that you cant skip (Disney are the worst).

John

[Ekpen]

I would love native support for 3D MVC encoded MKV files. At present I use Stereoscopic player to play these and Hendrik was nice enough to separate the mkv and mk3d file formats to allow me to start playing an MVC file with Stereoscopic player from within MC20. Native MVC 3D would be the bees knees. I'm not really interested in menu support. When I want to watch a movie I don't want to be forced to watch all the guff the publishers throw down your neck with certain disks that you cant skip (Disney are the worst).

John

+1

How hard is it to code native 3D mvc?

In business administration 101, "the sum of the parts is greater than the whole" meaning adding 3D support will enhance the video part of MC, no need to be picky about what is going to be included in the video package. MC for Windows , rather MC in general is not a new software. It is a "matured" media center software, for it to lack something like 3D is not good. 

Next year, this topic will continue to come up.

Thanks

George

[Ekpen]

I guess it's all in your perception. The way I see it, the last few years have been mostly video and ui upgrades (looking at the log for the new builds). These things aren't a priority for me but I know they are for many so I really don't make a big deal about it.

Think of what will make MC better overall, not whether you use the features or not.

Thanks.
George

[6233638]

I expect that what will happen is that if madVR ever adds support for 3D (it was planned at one point) then that will be your 3D support in Media Center.
Most people do not care about 3D. They don't own a 3DTV, or if they do (I do) they think it is a worthless gimmick.
There is very little media out there to warrant the development of 3D support.
 
I actually do enjoy 3D gaming, since I am able to adjust the depth and convergence settings manually to suit my own vision, but I cannot stand to watch 3D movies.
And though I enjoy 3D gaming, it's not something I make regular use of. Active 3D just has too many drawbacks, so I've been waiting to see whether passive 3D on a 4K display is any good. (since passive 3D on a 1080p display only has 540 lines of resolution per eye)
The "standard" convergence (I guess?) used for movies is wrong for my eyes, so everything looks as though I'm peering into a shoebox diorama. It makes the scale of everything seem very small, and there only seems to be two or three depth planes, rather than objects looking properly 3D as they do in games.

[cncb]

I like how "I don't like it" or "it bothers my eyes" always turns into "it is a worthless gimmick and nobody likes it".

[Sparks67]

I actually do enjoy 3D gaming, since I am able to adjust the depth and convergence settings manually to suit my own vision, but I cannot stand to watch 3D movies.
And though I enjoy 3D gaming, it's not something I make regular use of. Active 3D just has too many drawbacks, so I've been waiting to see whether passive 3D on a 4K display is any good. (since passive 3D on a 1080p display only has 540 lines of resolution per eye)
The "standard" convergence (I guess?) used for movies is wrong for my eyes, so everything looks as though I'm peering into a shoebox diorama. It makes the scale of everything seem very small, and there only seems to be two or three depth planes, rather than objects looking properly 3D as they do in games.

I have a new LG 79" UB9800 (2014) that has passive 3D, but it up coverts 3D or Bluray to 4k.   The processing is amazing on this TV set, but it is the number 1 rate set currently. To get into a larger tv set with OLED, the price is still too high.   Eventually I plan to try 4k gaming on this set,  but I have to see if the input lag will be an issue.  My HTPC server is an Asus  X99 motherboard with 2 EVGA 980ti in SLI.  3D would be nice out of JRiver, but another option is to software to play through a media player such as Dune, Med8er or Nvidia Shield.  The media players have hardware chip that allows for the menu's via ISO.  I am not sure on Nvidia Shield on the menu's, but it has the beast hardware right now.   Nvidia Shield currently lacks  bit streaming, but perhaps it will be upgraded in the future.   Kodi is just being installed on the media players.  HTPC is the best option now, but perhaps it will change in the future with media players.  Atmos plays fine through JRiver, but it requires Nvidia maxwell cards.  I try Auro-3d in the future to see if it works. 

[natehansen66]

Think of what will make MC better overall, not whether you use the features or not.

Thanks.
George

That's basically the point I was making to you

[prerich]

I guess it's all in your perception. The way I see it, the last few years have been mostly video and ui upgrades (looking at the log for the new builds). These things aren't a priority for me but I know they are for many so I really don't make a big deal about it.

Agreed!!!!

[JimH]

The powers to be within this organization tend to spend lots of time adding audio features, most of the feature in audio, I do not even use and to be frank, most forum members do not use some of these features.

We get that kind of comment for all parts of the program.

All the work is on audio.

Video gets all the attention.

What about image support?

Why are you doing images?

Who cares about TV?

Why doesn't TV support x,y, or z?

and so on ...

[bhampster]

Well....

I think MadVR already can be used in Stereoscopic player (since it's a DirectX filter based player).

I agree with just have the MKV files ... even if they get a new extention like MK3V.

Still... Someone in another part of the forum was using ISO made from movie only MKV files... so you don't always have to deal with "menus" even if you choose ISO.

Some people really, really, want 3D to go away but it's never going away ... as long as there is a working solution of some type for me that should be fine.

-Brian

[fitbrit]

Feature request: Acknowledge that 3D is not the same as menu support.

[Sparks67]

Some people really, really, want 3D to go away but it's never going away ... as long as there is a working solution of some type for me that should be fine.

-Brian

3D will never go away.   You might not see 3D for 1080P, but it is part of the specification for UHDTV1 (4k) and UHDTV2(8k) specification.

[Hendrik]

Feature request: Acknowledge that 3D is not the same as menu support.

Its not. Can I close this topic as "Solved" now? 

There are no solid plans for 3D. As others have theorized, if madVR would support 3D, it might get easier to support it in RO HQ, but its by far not the only factor.
Don't make plans for it, even if something happens, its probably still far out.

[jmone]

The last I looked at this (I could be out of date):

Native 3DBD : Requires an available MVC Decoder, Transform and Renderer filters.  There are no "public domain" versions.  Steroscopic Player uses the Mainconcept MVC Decoder by CoreCodecDecoding and Transform filters but these are only available to companies (we can not buy these as users).  I've tried to use their filters in MC but no luck.  I'll give it a go again and see if anything has changed over the weekend.  Maybe JR could see what the costs are to use the Mainconcept filters and just sell and add on for those that want this?

Native BD Menus : There has been a project for a couple of years to build this and while it is being used in some players like VLC, Hendrik has commented previously that it is not a great bit of code (yet?)

Like with the introduction of the opensource DTS-MA decoder.... one day maybe.

[jmone]

I'm wrong, Steroscopic Player uses the MVC Decoder by CoreCodec but again, licencing is not available to the end user only to OEM's (like JR).  They provide a contact page for OEM Lic Enquires here.

[jmone]

Here is the most simple filter graph using the LAV Source, LAV Video Decoder and the 3D Renderer from Stereoscopic. 

Note:  Steroscopic offers a trail version of the player (that times outs) but it installs the filters that you can then use in DirectShow players but MC has a whitelist of Renderers so you can not add this option.  This filter also seems to have player controls as you can see so even if whitelisted I don't know how it would go inside MC but GraphStudio Start/Stop/Seek etc works so while I'm guessing it would be fine it would need to be whitelisted to try it out.

Thanks
Nathan

[jmone]

So my thinking (along the lines of when RO was being developed), is if a user buys/installs Steroscopic player the filters seem to then be available to use by any DirectShow player including JR.  I guess only Hendrik would know how much time / effort (or even how well it would work) to then use these filters in RO for BD 3D playback.

[Ekpen]

Here is the most simple filter graph using the LAV Source, LAV Video Decoder and the 3D Renderer from Stereoscopic. 

Note:  Steroscopic offers a trail version of the player (that times outs) but it installs the filters that you can then use in DirectShow players but MC has a whitelist of Renderers so you can not add this option.  This filter also seems to have player controls as you can see so even if whitelisted I don't know how it would go inside MC but GraphStudio Start/Stop/Seek etc works so while I'm guessing it would be fine it would need to be whitelisted to try it out.

Thanks
Nathan

Nathan, thanks so much

George

[bhampster]

Yes,... Thank you so much...

The filter graph analysis ... seems to give me hope this idea is do-able.

-BRian

[jmone]

Some more good news playing with this filter.  You can not only access all the filter properties (including the Input and Output formats for 3D) but if you save the graph these settings are persistent and used next time.

[Ekpen]

Some more good news playing with this filter.  You can not only access all the filter properties (including the Input and Output formats for 3D) but if you save the graph these settings are persistent and used next time.

Can you let Hendrik, know this. It sounds like he has written 3D off for now, so contacting him via your private channels, may expose  him to this new findings.
 In my thinking, I know it is do-able.

Thanks thanks thanks.

George.

[jmone]

Don't worry, I know that Hendrik/Jim/Matt read all these posts.  What JR decides to do (or not) and when... is for them to decide and I have as much influence (or less) than you!  

FYI - while 3D for BD is not a big thing for me (I'd rather Full Menu support), I do like completeness of a feature set!  + it is a fun exercise to see what we can get PC's and MC to do.

[Ekpen]

Don't worry, I know that Hendrik/Jim/Matt read all these posts.  What JR decides to do (or not) and when... is for them to decide and I have as much influence (or less) than you!  

FYI - while 3D for BD is not a big thing for me (I'd rather Full Menu support), I do like completeness of a feature set!  + it is a fun exercise to see what we can get PC's and MC to do.

Remember last year, you were the forum member that got me to start using mkv tools. I now have more than 600 plus blu ray rips.
Another thing I will like to see in MC21  is "Particles", but I need to stop here, so I do not ask too much.
I really want to put my new Linux server to test with only MC 21 on it. In fact I just got from China Intel 980x cpu for a second Linux build using Origen S21T
custom case with 12 inch screen.

Thanks again for all the help you have given to us.

George

[Awesome Donkey]

Wow, interesting development there. Very interested in what Hendrik thinks about that.

[lisbethfox]

ask madashi. not here. he develops madvr

[jmone]

Please don't get too excited regarding 3D Support.  I was more pointing out to Hendrik that there is a (potentially) available 3D Video Renderer (without waiting for madVR potential support) that may make the other required parts of the filter chain for 3D BD "easier" to develop.  

There are no solid plans for 3D. As others have theorized, if madVR would support 3D, it might get easier to support it in RO HQ, but its by far not the only factor.
Don't make plans for it, even if something happens, its probably still far out.

That said, the following is a dump of the filters used by Stereoscopic player for a 3D BD and as you can see it also requires other components like a MVC Decoder (and the CoreCodec is not exposed) ... though Hendrik does write a pretty good Video Decoder already

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DirectSound Audio Renderer
  Audio Input pin (rendered) connected to 3dtv.at Audio Stream Switcher (PCM, 6 ch, 48000 Hz, 24 bits)
3dtv.at Stereo Renderer
  Input 1 connected to 3dtv.at AVC/MVC Decoder (by CoreCodec) (YV12, 12 bpp, 1920 x 1080, 16:9, 23.976 fps, progressive)
  Input 2 connected to 3dtv.at AVC/MVC Decoder (by CoreCodec) (YV12, 12 bpp, 1920 x 1080, 16:9, 23.976 fps, progressive)
  Input 3 not connected
  Subpicture Input connected to 3dtv.at Subtitle Stream Switcher (Subtitle, HDMV PGS)
3dtv.at Subtitle Stream Switcher
  Input 1 connected to MPC MPEG Source (Subtitle, HDMV PGS)
  Input 2 not connected
  Output connected to 3dtv.at Stereo Renderer (Subtitle, HDMV PGS)
3dtv.at Audio Stream Switcher
  Input 1 connected to LAV Audio Decoder (PCM, 6 ch, 48000 Hz, 24 bits)
  Input 2 not connected
  Output connected to DirectSound Audio Renderer (PCM, 6 ch, 48000 Hz, 24 bits)
3dtv.at AVC/MVC Decoder (by CoreCodec)
  AVC connected to MPC MPEG Source (AVC1, 1920 x 1080, 16:9, 23.976 fps, profile 100, level 41)
  MVC connected to 3dtv.at MVC Parser (EMVC, 1920 x 1080, 16:9, 23.976 fps, profile 128, level 41)
  Output 1 connected to 3dtv.at Stereo Renderer (YV12, 12 bpp, 1920 x 1080, 16:9, 23.976 fps, progressive)
  Output 2 connected to 3dtv.at Stereo Renderer (YV12, 12 bpp, 1920 x 1080, 16:9, 23.976 fps, progressive)
3dtv.at MVC Parser
  Input connected to MPC MPEG Source (EMVC, 1920 x 1080, 16:9, 23.976 fps, profile 128, level 41)
  Output connected to 3dtv.at AVC/MVC Decoder (by CoreCodec) (EMVC, 1920 x 1080, 16:9, 23.976 fps, profile 128, level 41)
LAV Audio Decoder
  Input connected to MPC MPEG Source (DTS, 6 ch, 48000 Hz)
  Output connected to 3dtv.at Audio Stream Switcher (PCM, 6 ch, 48000 Hz, 24 bits)
MPC MPEG Source
  Video - AVC (H.264), High Profile, Level 4.1, 1920x1080, 23.976 fps (1011,e0,00) connected to 3dtv.at AVC/MVC Decoder (by CoreCodec) (AVC1, 1920 x 1080, 16:9, 23.976 fps, profile 100, level 41)
  Audio - English, DTS-HD Master Audio, 48.0 kHz, 6 chn, 1509.0 kbit/s (1100,fd,00) connected to LAV Audio Decoder (DTS, 6 ch, 48000 Hz)
  Subtitle - English, Presentation Graphics Stream (1200,bd,00) connected to 3dtv.at Subtitle Stream Switcher (Subtitle, HDMV PGS)
  Video - MVC (Subset), Stereo High Profile, Level 4.1, 1920x1080, 23.976 fps (1012,e0,00) connected to 3dtv.at MVC Parser (EMVC, 1920 x 1080, 16:9, 23.976 fps, profile 128, level 41)

[bhampster]

Here is the most simple filter graph using the LAV Source, LAV Video Decoder and the 3D Renderer from Stereoscopic.  

Note:  Steroscopic offers a trail version of the player (that times outs) but it installs the filters that you can then use in DirectShow players but MC has a whitelist of Renderers so you can not add this option.  This filter also seems to have player controls as you can see so even if whitelisted I don't know how it would go inside MC but GraphStudio Start/Stop/Seek etc works so while I'm guessing it would be fine it would need to be whitelisted to try it out.

Thanks
Nathan

Nathan,...

Does this mean I can build a filter graph after installing the demo of Stereoscopic player and save the graph for use in another DShow player? That could be very useful for my attempts to find some way of in-corperating 3D to my current JRiver setup. I will try to study and understand this... seems I could use a Dshow player like MPC to play back the 3D movies I have ... unless I don't understand this at all.

-Brian


Edit - I see this in the MC20 forum...NEW: Possible to configure external playback on the file type bdmv3d... But I don't see any links to more information about it. ... Either way,... I like seeing it mentioned there.

[bhampster]

Hey,

I wanted to add to the discussion of 3D ... One review of JRiver that I read compared it to systems by Kaliedescape instead of the usual comparasions to things like Kodi or Emby Media Server. I agreed with that review because in my experience JRiver is far ahead of any other media server suite that I tried using. That said, a big drawback to a (uber crazy expensive) Kaliedescape system is they refuse to acknowledge the existance of 3D.

I already feel that my JRiver system is superior to any Kaliedescape based setup for many reasons. ... Addition of 3D would be another and it would also mean the difference between me having access to everything instead of access to most of my media.

-BRian

[jmone]

Does this mean I can build a filter graph after installing the demo of Stereoscopic player and save the graph for use in another DShow player? That could be very useful for my attempts to find some way of in-corperating 3D to my current JRiver setup. I will try to study and understand this... seems I could use a Dshow player like MPC to play back the 3D movies I have ... unless I don't understand this at all.

Nice idea but a couple of issues make it a non starter (afaik):
- modern players contain so much logic these days they will not play a GRF file (any way MC will not)
- exception are progs like GraphStudio as they are designed to do this and have a simple player built in
- and the kicker is you can only build a graph for the components that are exposed... and the MVC Decoder is not

Edit - I see this in the MC20 forum...NEW: Possible to configure external playback on the file type bdmv3d... But I don't see any links to more information about it. ... Either way,... I like seeing it mentioned there.

Correct - you have two specific FileTypes for 3D content, BDMV3D and MK3D in MC.  These let you launch a 3rd party program to handle this content.  Which reminds me - I need to update my 3D BD : Integrating a 3rd Party Player with MC (and scripts on this!) as these changes make life much easier.   Note: I don't think the Stereoscopic player itself is a good candidate for this 3rd party player method for 3D BD as it you have to give it the SSIF file because it can not parse the index.bdmv file.

Lets see what Hendrik says, as this is not one we are going to be able to take much further by just hacking around with components.

[bhampster]

Nathan,

You are the second person I have seen suggesting that Stereoscopic player isn't a good external player... I think people have had luck with Total Media Theater which I think is dis-continued and I don't know how to go about trying to acquire it.

Maybe I should just wait ... I could buy Stereoscopic player but then I suppose eventually I could discover why people don't seem to like it as an external player.

I don't mind waiting a bit ... And honestly I'm thrilled if somehow a bulb goes on and it seems adding this feature to JRiver will be worthwhile.

-Brian

[jmone]

Yeah TMT is gone.....but, I'm a "MVP" over at Cyberlink (for their Video Editing package "Power Director") so I've asked for a key to PDVD and will see how well that goes integrating with MC with some scripting and I'll then update my thread on this.

[fitbrit]

Nathan,

You are the second person I have seen suggesting that Stereoscopic player isn't a good external player... I think people have had luck with Total Media Theater which I think is dis-continued and I don't know how to go about trying to acquire it.

Maybe I should just wait ... I could buy Stereoscopic player but then I suppose eventually I could discover why people don't seem to like it as an external player.

I don't mind waiting a bit ... And honestly I'm thrilled if somehow a bulb goes on and it seems adding this feature to JRiver will be worthwhile.

-Brian

I think that if one rips 3D bluRays with MakeMKV, stereoscopic player may be just fine - provided you have Win8 or above:

http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/quad-buffered-directx/

Fortunately if you want to test out how good the new Windows 8 stereo 3D features work you can do it using the popular Stereoscopic Player that since its version 2.0 has a “Quad Buffered DirectX” viewing method available that takes advantage of the Windows 8 stereoscopic 3D support. So if still you haven’t, you should go and give it a try if you’ve already switched to Windows 8, have in mind though that this output mode will not work on previous versions of Windows.

jmone has tried this in Stereoscopic player and it works outputting to a 3D projector as frame-packed 3D. I will have to upgrade from Win 7.

[rec head]

3D integration would be great but I would be happy with the folks at JRiver just making it super (I mean SUPER) easy to play the files with an external player. Even if it only worked on one specific 3d software package.

Instructions would look something like this:
1) buy, install and configure 3d software player X
2) rip movie to Y format
3) rename to Z filetype
4) somewhere in options you check a box that let's MC know that the 3d player was installed
5) play movie

[bhampster]

fitbrit,

I've seen the quad directx playback from stereoscopic player on Windows 10 and to me it looks amazing if not better than my stand alone Blu Ray player. Also stereoscopic player lets you define all the keyboard keys which I think would be critical so they can be matched up to keys used by JRiver. Finally, unlike PowerDVD, Stereoscopic is very basic which I think is also a great plus if it was used as an external player... I actually don't know why people say it's not a good choice.


-Brian

[jmone]

I've been playing with both and unsurprisingly, each have their pros and cons.  I plan to do a write up over the next week about both and how to best integrate them with MC.  That said, the best outcome is of course to have it natively supported in MC but that is way out of my influence... in Hendrik we trust. 

[fitbrit]

I've been playing with both and unsurprisingly, each have their pros and cons.  I plan to do a write up over the next week about both and how to best integrate them with MC.  That said, the best outcome is of course to have it natively supported in MC but that is way out of my influence... in Hendrik we trust. 

I'm looking forward to this. I now have a real reason to upgrade to Win8.1 or 10 (thanks for the help via PMs, Nathan) in the Stereoscopic player's qbdx. TMT6 still works on my projector, but not on my TV for 3D any more for some reason.
It would be also very cool if we could specify SSIF files as video media, or better yet have MC identify the main movie SSIF to hand over to Stereoscopic Player. In my case, I'd rather rip to MVC mkv if I know that playback would be as good as playing an iso.

[Ekpen]

Its not. Can I close this topic as "Solved" now? 

There are no solid plans for 3D. As others have theorized, if madVR would support 3D, it might get easier to support it in RO HQ, but its by far not the only factor.
Don't make plans for it, even if something happens, its probably still far out.

Jmone's recent attempts for a working 3D solution has reached you, correct ?

Are you still going to close this issue or you are going to see other ways of integrating 3D within MC.
Remember,  hope never dies, and this issue will light up again.

I have a feeling, JRiver could be driving off potential customers because of this lack of internal 3D solution.

Please respond at your convenience.

Thanks.
George
 

[JimH]

We're not closing the door on doing 3D some day, but at this time, I can't justify the cost/benefit.

You're probably too young to remember when 3D came and went the first time in the 1950's.  I'm not.

I think you might better focus your attention on jmone for now.  Send him something live and squirming and see if he can't do something.

[Ekpen]

We're not closing the door on doing 3D some day, but at this time, I can't justify the cost/benefit.

You're probably too young to remember when 3D came and went the first time in the 1950's.  I'm not.

I think you might better focus your attention on jmone for now.  Send him something live and squirming and see if he can't do something.

In 1950, I was 1 year old >grin>

Thanks.

George

[audunth]

What about OSD support for SBS/OU-formats? Those formats already play inside MC, but once you put the projector in SBS or OU mode, everything but the video image itself is all over the place. What I am suggesting is adding new file extensions (for example .mkou and .mksb) and having those extensions trigger a mirroring of the OSD. Then maybe SBS/OU mode Theater view later on, since that would obviously involve more work.