Topic: Not getting consistent problems with FFDShow and EVR (Read 3801 times)

Mastiff · « **on:** February 24, 2009, 03:48:05 pm »

This one's a bit weird: FFDShow with EVR looks best by far on my system. But I have this rather strange problem: Sometimes I get no picture, only a black field the size of the picture. And when I look at the EVR filter I can see that no frames are coming through there. But if I start and stop playback anywhere from twice to 5-6 times the picture's suddenly there, without any problems. The same FFDShow settings with EVR works without a hitch in another DirectShow player, but I prefer to use MC, of course!

Is there any way to find out what's happening here?

gappie · « **Reply #1 on:** February 24, 2009, 04:21:52 pm »

are you talking about ifo/vob files? because that is where i see this alot. and everybody in this household already knows to stop playback and restarts to get things going again. you get the black picture only when going to an other part of a dvd file, not during a movie? because for me it never happens during a movie, but always when the movie goes to dvd menu or extra material, or from there to the menue..

and i sincerely hope nobody tells me to check the wiki for the directshow stuff (thanks glynor, great stuff), but i can recite that backwards just as good as forwards..

wohstcerid

gab

Mastiff · « **Reply #2 on:** February 24, 2009, 04:27:08 pm »

Yes, it happens only when starting the movie. I never use VOBs, I rip my DVDs to the hard drive with DVDShrink and reauthor them to only contain the movie itself. Do you mean that this doesn't happen with the actual DVD, only with the ripped ones? I haven't watched a DVD directly from the disk in a looong time...

gappie · « **Reply #3 on:** February 24, 2009, 04:38:47 pm »

well.. i also seldom see dvds direct. mostly from hd. and i rip them but with some of the menue left. mostly i set my vids over to mkv, it is just when i need the menue and different tracks that i rip them as dvd files (so ifo/vob as far as i understand).
but it happens with both, now that i think about it.. well surely it happens with the ripped ones. and not always..

)p( · « **Reply #4 on:** February 25, 2009, 12:50:13 am »

I have seen this also and with the same filter path setup in zoomplayer it does not happen.

peter

Yaobing · « **Reply #5 on:** February 25, 2009, 09:35:16 am »

I am not able to reproduce the problem. Do you use any particular settings, such as cropping, use FFDShow for post processing, etc.?

leezer3 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 25, 2009, 09:39:48 am »

I've seen this occasionally with the RealMedia Directshow filter, and it also works fine in another app (WMP in this case)
Never really seen a need to investigate further, I can provide a log next time it does this if it'll be any help?

Cheers

-Leezer-

Yaobing · « **Reply #7 on:** February 25, 2009, 10:42:47 am »

Quote from: leezer3 on February 25, 2009, 09:39:48 am

I've seen this occasionally with the RealMedia Directshow filter, and it also works fine in another app (WMP in this case)
Never really seen a need to investigate further, I can provide a log next time it does this if it'll be any help?

Cheers

-Leezer-

In this particular case, was "Crop Edges" option on? I see there is a problem with Crop Edges/FFDShow Video Decoder/EVR combination. I can not find any problem with DVD playback, as there is no "Crop Edges".

leezer3 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 25, 2009, 01:08:46 pm »

Nope, crop edges has always been off

-Leezer-

gappie · « **Reply #9 on:** February 25, 2009, 03:53:16 pm »

asked my wife... she is using the video part more than i am..

. but it is often with dvd files, and with dvd's, but never with that 'other format' (=mkv). it looks like it happens when the dvd 'jumps to an other format', so when there is some extra material that is more in television format to something that has more a widescreen, so when those things change (to look smart i could have checked the formats, but i guess you understand me), aspectratio i guess. i have the playback alsways on original aspect ratio. only cccp, and windows xp sp3.

i can check some dvds the next days. does logging help? other things i should check...

paste the filters ofcource.

thanks for looking into it yaobing.

gab

maybe also.. when it turns black, forinstance because it went back to th dvd menue, stop playback and restart the movie, brings you back to where it turned black but with normal screen. and when the screen is black, there is still sound..

JimH · « **Reply #10 on:** February 25, 2009, 03:57:33 pm »

Do you know whose video card you use? ATI, Nvidia, Makita?

gappie · « **Reply #11 on:** February 25, 2009, 04:10:08 pm »

Quote from: JimH on February 25, 2009, 03:57:33 pm

Do you know whose video card you use? ATI, Nvidia, Makita?

yes, its an ati radeon from the x1300\1550 series,. drivers are not to old i gues... 8.512.. will check that..

gab

Yaobing · « **Reply #12 on:** February 25, 2009, 05:40:12 pm »

Quote from: gappie on February 25, 2009, 03:53:16 pm

does logging help?

I am not sure if logging will reveal anything. Email me a log anyway.

Yaobing · « **Reply #13 on:** February 25, 2009, 05:56:49 pm »

I mentioned before that the Crop Edges / FFDShow Video Decoder / EVR combination produces black screen. I found out that it only happens when the video is MPEG-2, for example JRiver TV recording jtv file (or any other file type that contains MPEG-2 video, except DVD/ifo). I believe this is an FFDShow bug. Older versions of FFDShow (I tested with a version that is quite old, back when it was called "FFDShow MPEG-4 video decoder", and another one not as old, but was built on Jul. 16 2007) do not have this problem. Non-MPEG-2 video seems to be fine.

gappie · « **Reply #14 on:** February 26, 2009, 04:40:46 pm »

will report in the weekend.. busy week..

gappie · « **Reply #15 on:** March 01, 2009, 04:22:21 pm »

yaobing, i sended some log file. here are my craphs filters. remember. it is were i left of. tried enough other stuff.

Filter Graph Info:

Filter 'Default DirectSound Device'
CLSID: {79376820-07D0-11CF-A24D-0020AFD79767}
Host: C:\WINDOWS\system32\quartz.dll
Input Pin 'Audio Input pin (rendered)'
Connected to pin 'Out' of filter 'ffdshow Audio Decoder'
Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

Filter 'Video Mixing Renderer 9'
CLSID: {51B4ABF3-748F-4E3B-A276-C828330E926A}
Host:
Input Pin 'VMR Input0'
Connected to pin 'Output' of filter 'MPC - MPEG-2 Video Decoder (Gabest)'
Major type MEDIATYPE_Video Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_YV12, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo2
Input Pin 'VMR Input1'
Connected to pin 'XForm Out' of filter 'Line 21 Decoder 2'
Major type MEDIATYPE_Video Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_AYUV, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo
Input Pin 'VMR Input2'

Filter 'Line 21 Decoder 2'
CLSID: {E4206432-01A1-4BEE-B3E1-3702C8EDC574}
Host: C:\WINDOWS\system32\quartz.dll
Input Pin 'XForm In'
Connected to pin '~CC' of filter 'MPC - MPEG-2 Video Decoder (Gabest)'
Major type MEDIATYPE_AUXLine21Data Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_Line21_GOPPacket, Format type FORMAT_None
Output Pin 'XForm Out'
Connected to pin 'VMR Input1' of filter 'Video Mixing Renderer 9'
Major type MEDIATYPE_Video Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_AYUV, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo

Filter 'ffdshow Audio Decoder'
CLSID: {0F40E1E5-4F79-4988-B1A9-CC98794E6B55}
Host: C:\Programme\Combined Community Codec Pack\Filters\FFDShow\ffdshow.ax
Output Pin 'Out'
Connected to pin 'Audio Input pin (rendered)' of filter 'Default DirectSound Device'
Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
Input Pin 'In'
Connected to pin 'AC3' of filter 'DVD Navigator'
Major type MEDIATYPE_DVD_ENCRYPTED_PACK Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_DOLBY_AC3, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

Filter 'MPC - MPEG-2 Video Decoder (Gabest)'
CLSID: {39F498AF-1A09-4275-B193-673B0BA3D478}
Host: C:\Programme\Combined Community Codec Pack\Filters\Mpeg2DecFilter.ax
Input Pin 'Video'
Connected to pin 'Video' of filter 'DVD Navigator'
Major type MEDIATYPE_DVD_ENCRYPTED_PACK Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_MPEG2_VIDEO, Format type FORMAT_MPEG2_VIDEO
Output Pin 'Output'
Connected to pin 'VMR Input0' of filter 'Video Mixing Renderer 9'
Major type MEDIATYPE_Video Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_YV12, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo2
Input Pin 'SubPicture'
Connected to pin 'SubPicture' of filter 'DVD Navigator'
Major type MEDIATYPE_DVD_ENCRYPTED_PACK Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_DVD_SUBPICTURE, Format type FORMAT_MPEG2_VIDEO
Output Pin '~CC'
Connected to pin 'XForm In' of filter 'Line 21 Decoder 2'
Major type MEDIATYPE_AUXLine21Data Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_Line21_GOPPacket, Format type FORMAT_None

Filter 'DVD Navigator'
CLSID: {9B8C4620-2C1A-11D0-8493-00A02438AD48}
Host: C:\WINDOWS\system32\qdvd.dll
Output Pin 'Video'
Connected to pin 'Video' of filter 'MPC - MPEG-2 Video Decoder (Gabest)'
Major type MEDIATYPE_DVD_ENCRYPTED_PACK Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_MPEG2_VIDEO, Format type FORMAT_MPEG2_VIDEO
Output Pin 'AC3'
Connected to pin 'In' of filter 'ffdshow Audio Decoder'
Major type MEDIATYPE_DVD_ENCRYPTED_PACK Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_DOLBY_AC3, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
Output Pin 'SubPicture'
Connected to pin 'SubPicture' of filter 'MPC - MPEG-2 Video Decoder (Gabest)'
Major type MEDIATYPE_DVD_ENCRYPTED_PACK Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_DVD_SUBPICTURE, Format type FORMAT_MPEG2_VIDEO

gab

gappie · « **Reply #16 on:** March 02, 2009, 02:44:45 am »

here some last info... with the dvd i watched yesterday it happened two times. i attached two screenshots to explain when it happens. the screen is set to fit the window. the first is from the trailers on the dvd. as you can see the original screen is square. so the black borders at the site are from mc (the blackest). after the trailers the dvd wants to go to an other 'format' like in the second shot. stil set to fit the window. but its this switch wich gives a black screen, with sound running. stopping playback are start again, it goes on where stopped but with image. anything else i could send...

gab

gappie · « **Reply #17 on:** March 08, 2009, 06:06:25 pm »

did you get my log file last week. found something?

gab

Yaobing · « **Reply #18 on:** March 10, 2009, 08:05:36 am »

Quote from: gappie on March 08, 2009, 06:06:25 pm

did you get my log file last week. found something?

gab

Thanks for the log. I could not find any clue from it though

Mastiff · « **Reply #19 on:** March 11, 2009, 02:23:19 pm »

I still have the same problem, of course (since no reason is found and fixed yet). My graphics card is a Radeon 3870, latest drivers, Windows 7 (same problem on XP when I try that partition of the dual boot HDPC). I usually have to stop and start the movie 3-4 times now. Btw wonder what I was smoking when I wrote the thread title!

Yaobing · « **Reply #20 on:** March 11, 2009, 02:42:48 pm »

Quote from: Mastiff on March 11, 2009, 02:23:19 pm

Btw wonder what I was smoking when I wrote the thread title!

Yeah, tell us about it when you figure out.

Mastiff · « **Reply #21 on:** March 11, 2009, 03:27:53 pm »

I've been looking for my secret stash all night, but the problem is that it's so secret even I have no idea where it is!

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