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ElvisIncognito

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Recommended drive for ripping problem CDs?
« on: March 29, 2004, 01:24:41 pm »
Many of my favorite CDs have been shuffled from house to car to work to boombox (for vacations) so many times that they've developed a moderate to significant number of light to medium scratches. These discs still play in my CD changer, car player, etc., but I'm having to re-rip many of them (due to a failed drive) and the new DVD=/-RW drive I bought is having trouble reading them.

Does anybody know which CD drive(s) are highly rated for reading scratched CDs? Thanks in advance!
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MrCC

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Re:Recommended drive for ripping problem CDs?
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2004, 03:02:55 pm »
The Plextor range of drives would be a good starting point to look.  They certainly have good audio ripping qualities.

I have found my Plextors will read problem CDs when my general purpose PC CD-Rom drives struggle.

And ripping with Exact Audio Copy (EAC) is almost always faster using the Plextors.

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ElvisIncognito

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Re:Recommended drive for ripping problem CDs?
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2004, 07:56:04 pm »
Thanks, MrCC. I have a Plextor CD-RW drive in another machine - maybe I'll temporarily install MC on that machine and see how it does.

I remember stumbling upon a website a while back where they had special test CDs and DVDs for testing a drive's ability to read damaged discs... the site was running all sorts of tests on all sorts of drives and publishing detailed findings - very scientific, very thorough. Wish I could find that again... anyone know what I'm talking about?
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Re:Recommended drive for ripping problem CDs?
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2004, 07:57:04 pm »
They will also ripped Copy Protected CD's...  8)
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Re:Recommended drive for ripping problem CDs?
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2004, 09:04:18 am »
Quote from: ElvisIncognito on March 29, 2004, 01:24:41 pm
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Does anybody know which CD drive(s) are highly rated for reading scratched CDs? Thanks in advance!

I cannot specifically speak for scratchs, but on more than one occasion, my DVD reader was able to read a CD when the CD drive failed.

hth  :)
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Re:Recommended drive for ripping problem CDs?
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2004, 02:42:31 pm »
ElvisIncognito
Rather than moving your MC to the PC with the Plextor, why not just rip with Exact Audio Copy, and then put the finished mp3 files back on to your MC machine.

If you are not aware of EAC, Google search for EAC, Razorlame, Chris Myden.  Have a read.
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Re:Recommended drive for ripping problem CDs?
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2004, 02:45:19 pm »
MC's secure mode is as or more secure than EAC in secure mode.

Search here for more details and tests.
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Re:Recommended drive for ripping problem CDs?
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2004, 02:52:17 pm »
Interesting...

Searching for 'secure', or 'Secure rip' doesn't bring up much, and most of what it does is the summary info on peoples systems in their posts.

Any clues as to the best keyword, or is this aspect featured in a write up somewhere?
Thanks
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Re:Recommended drive for ripping problem CDs?
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2004, 03:02:33 pm »
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MrCC

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Re:Recommended drive for ripping problem CDs?
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2004, 03:47:58 pm »
I think one thing that comes out of reading through that post is probably something that most of us know from ripping.  
The ear is really quite forgiving when it comes to 'hearing' an imperfection.  The rip process can pick it up long before we will.

Taking forever to rip a track (or part of it) is probably not very useful if you won't hear all the problem anyway. It seems MC's ripper is more functional this way perhaps than EAC.
Mind you, the examples given are extreme cases, where the rip process just stops, or crawls.  Smaller imperfections can be seen in EAC being processed on the fly.  You wouldn't want those missed (accepted by the rip program).

Exact Audio Copy can be set to try and do just that, but I guess the question each person needs to ask themselves is do they want that level?  Probably backed off a notch would be fine.  And maybe this is just what MC does.

I do think Kiwi's testing is more detailed than the first one(s).  And the comment about fire retardant being needed when presenting these findings to Hydrogen Audio would be well advised.

I must admit I was not aware that so much work had gone into the rip side of MC, that is promising.
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Re:Recommended drive for ripping problem CDs?
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2004, 04:13:51 pm »
Quote from: MrCC on March 30, 2004, 03:47:58 pm
Smaller imperfections can be seen in EAC being processed on the fly.  You wouldn't want those missed (accepted by the rip program).

Exact Audio Copy can be set to try and do just that, but I guess the question each person needs to ask themselves is do they want that level?  Probably backed off a notch would be fine.  And maybe this is just what MC does.
If MC says it ripped it, you can be sure that it read it correctly.  There isn't _any_ fudge factor.
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Re:Recommended drive for ripping problem CDs?
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2004, 05:23:05 pm »
Matt,

YEs rip in secure using MC is as good than  EAC
But in EAC ,if you have a drive C2 correction enable , if you set it as it needs to be set , you rip Secure as fast than in no secure.

Plextor with MC or EAC not set according to C2 correction fonction==X10/12 speed.

The same Plextor set with C2 correction in EAC == X25/35 speed

shAf

same here .
My LG DVD reader drive is better than my Plextor to rip ploblems CDS.

EAC gives the LG drive as the one to use for best securerip.

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Not long ago [8-10 days] i posted all the tips i found concerning ripping.
I'am going now througth a 3000+ cds ripping session.
Search for it and read it.
It may help you.
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Re:Recommended drive for ripping problem CDs?
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2004, 05:34:42 pm »
ElvisIncognito,

I have a LiteOn DVDRW LDW 411S, which I have found very good with EAC.  It usually gives me between 7x and 8x rips in secure mode.  Officially it has a 40x read and write speed for CDs, and up to 4x for DVDs (it reads both DVD + and -).  Recently I finally got a good copy of one of my favourite songs which was unmercifully scratched, and I hadn't been able to listen to it for literally years!  The drive caches audio, has C2 error correction, and reads and writes CD text...  Hope that's of some use.

Listening to: 'Hero' from 'Neu! [1975]' by 'Neu!' on Media Center 10
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Re:Recommended drive for ripping problem CDs?
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2004, 08:05:02 pm »
Is there a difference in the way MC rips in secure mode between V9 and V10? When I ripped my CDs to ape files in V9 they all resulted in 100% accuracy. In V10 I rarely get 100%, more like 75-85%. Did things change from one version to the next?  ?

Thanks,

Brian
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