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Info about direct links to streaming videos in Android TV: https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,133321.0.html
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I have started to listen to JRiver radio a bit. The volumes are all over the place. Does the Mo4media volume leveler fix this? My playback method is always via Mo4media remote.
 All of my personal music is leveled with MP3 gain. Been using it for 20 plus years.  Maybe there's a leveling setting in media center I should set up for streaming?
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You should be able to use Volume Leveling in the DSP Studio.
https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Volume_Leveling#:~:text=Go%20to%20Tools%20%3E%20Options%20%3E%20Audio,the%20box%20for%20Volume%20Leveling.

At least that will work with Cloudplay.  All uploaded files are analyzed first.
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I haven't done much testing with this, but a few times recently I had a video file that didn't play with the built in player.  So I went to check the box that would call the external player.  I entered "*" in the preference to use the external for video, went back to the file, but it still tried to play in the internal player.  I went back to the pref and it was blank.  I set it again with *, left the pref page and came back and it was gone.  I then tried mkv, same thing.  At this point, I just opened up VLC on my Shield and browsed to the files to play them, but seemed like something was wrong when saving that pref.  Like I said, I haven't done any troubleshooting, just randomly thought of it and how I hadn't posted the issue.  Thanks!
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Make sure you select the Save button on the right side or it won't save your changes.
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Make sure you select the Save button on the right side or it won't save your changes.

Ah! Could be that basic.  I'll check if I was just missing that important step, but will be a few days until I have the chance.
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You should be able to use Volume Leveling in the DSP Studio.
https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Volume_Leveling#:~:text=Go%20to%20Tools%20%3E%20Options%20%3E%20Audio,the%20box%20for%20Volume%20Leveling.

At least that will work with Cloudplay.  All uploaded files are analyzed first.
Maybe this post should be moved to MC29 (windows) as my questions don't involve MO4media anymore.  Anyway... question is, can I turn on Volume Leveling and use it for Cloudplay or TryMe without analyzing my own files.  The Wiki says I must first analyze my files before I can use leveling, however I assume that only applies to my own files?  I have already applied a replaygain to all my files with a 3rd party app (93Db), and although I don't fully understand how it works, I'm unsure about applying another gain via MC's audio analysis.
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I haven't used MO4 outside of my shield in a long time, because I thought JRemote2 had really improved and I didn't have an Android Auto car.  Well I just got a car with AA, so I thought I'd load up MO4 on my phone.  It wouldn't connect to my server.  I noticed the note that said it you're using SSL, you have to connect with a key first and it had been a while, so I thought perhaps it had been reset.  I came home, connected with the key, but am still getting a cannot connect message when using public_ip:port, or fqdn:port.  I can go to the public fqdn:port in chrome on my mobile and I see the Panel page, and it properly reports my certificate as valid.  Any suggestions?  Thanks!
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Try the Network Access topic on our wiki.
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Try the [url=http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Network_Access]Network Access[/url] topic on our wiki.

JRiver is accessible outside of the network, via chrome, JRemote2, or MC on another computer.  Just not MO4.
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I haven't used MO4 outside of my shield in a long time, because I thought JRemote2 had really improved and I didn't have an Android Auto car.  Well I just got a car with AA, so I thought I'd load up MO4 on my phone.  It wouldn't connect to my server.  I noticed the note that said it you're using SSL, you have to connect with a key first and it had been a while, so I thought perhaps it had been reset.  I came home, connected with the key, but am still getting a cannot connect message when using public_ip:port, or fqdn:port.  I can go to the public fqdn:port in chrome on my mobile and I see the Panel page, and it properly reports my certificate as valid.  Any suggestions?  Thanks!

Logging in with a secure connection hasn't worked for me in MO 4Media in a good while now, and I can't figure out why. Secure connections are correctly setup on my network, and the exact same settings do work in JRemote2. I haven't mentioned anything about it before now because I honestly forgot all about it until you just jogged my memory.

Do note I'm using the IP address:52200 method, not the access key method. I'm not even sure if you can set up using a secure connection with an access key.
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JRiver is accessible outside of the network, via chrome, JRemote2, or MC on another computer.  Just not MO4.

Would you be willing to privately share your server details so I can try to see what is going on?  I use mine all the time although my server uses MC's built-in certificate/SSL.
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PM with read-only credentials sent.  Thanks!
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Turns out the SSL connection problem is due to Let's Encrypt still including an expired root certificate in the chain.  To get around this, you can disable the expired root certificate in the device's settings: "Digital Signature Trust Co. - DST Root CA X3".
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I'm not sure if my issue is related or not, I just use the option within MC to generate and use a self-signed certificate. It's my MC29 server running on a Raspberry Pi (which is running Ubuntu 22.04 LTS) in this case. In fact, I just reset media network with it (which I'm surprised worked, in the past trying to reset media network caused MC to start instant crashing with segfaults on start) and generated a new certificate but it just instant fails when trying to connect. On the other hand with JRemote2, it prompts the user if they want to accept/reject the certificate and once accepted it connects very quickly, with MO 4Media there's no prompt and instantly fails to connect when hitting connect. The address and port between both apps is exactly the same with read only authentication being used, e.g. 192.168.123:52200 so it's not a credentials issue or anything like that.

Though to be honest the issue is very minor, as I rarely even use the secure connection server, but thought it was a little odd it failed to connect whereas it does in JRemote2.

P.S. I'll check and see if that aforementioned expired root certificate mentioned is present in Ubuntu or not, though if I recall correctly that issue was fixed in ca-certificates nearly a year ago.
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You need to connect once in MO using the access key whenever anything changes with SSL (when using the built-in MC generation) so try that if you have not already.  Then you can switch it to the direct address.
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Yeah, did that, no-go. Is there a way to use SSL with the access key?
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The access key should connect through SSL if it is available.  Using the access key, it fails to connect at all?
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Huh, how do you force the use of SSL other than adding the port? There's no visual way of setting it to use SSL like a slider toggle or something. Anyways the access key works (and connects very quick), but I suspect it might be using the insecure connection.

I do remember in the past that SSL did work in the app but I didn't use it for a good while (as there's certain limits in place when using SSL if I recall correctly). Maybe I should enable media network on Windows and see if that works.

EDIT: Nope, doesn't work from Windows using SSL (after using the access key successfully). Weird.
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The icon in the center top will have a little padlock if it is using SSL.  It automatically tries SSL if it exists for the given access key.  Please PM your access key if you want me to take a look.
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Re: MO 4Media - remote control and player with Android TV & Android Auto support
« Reply #870 on: September 11, 2022, 10:08:12 am »

Suggestion - when M0 is connected to MC in Read Only mode disable volume control in +Player.   

My nephew was using the M0 app connected to my Id server in Read Only and was mistakenly in Player mode and realized he was controlling the volume.   Not a big deal at my house but when he goes home to the other side of the North American continent it could cause some real issues that would not be apparent. 
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Re: MO 4Media - remote control and player with Android TV & Android Auto support
« Reply #871 on: September 13, 2022, 06:53:44 pm »

Suggestion - when M0 is connected to MC in Read Only mode disable volume control in +Player.

I am not sure it makes sense to disable volume control when accessing read-only since everything else is controllable.  What you can do, is on his device change the zone settings in MO to not control MC volume: e.g. in MO tap the zone name in the upper right corner to show the Zones menu, tap the 3-dot menu for Player, tap Change zone settings, tap "MC Volume", change it to "Device Volume", and tap SAVE.  Now the volume buttons will not be changing the server volume.
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Re: MO 4Media - remote control and player with Android TV & Android Auto support
« Reply #872 on: September 14, 2022, 04:42:16 pm »

I am not sure it makes sense to disable volume control when accessing read-only since everything else is controllable.  What you can do, is on his device change the zone settings in MO to not control MC volume: e.g. in MO tap the zone name in the upper right corner to show the Zones menu, tap the 3-dot menu for Player, tap Change zone settings, tap "MC Volume", change it to "Device Volume", and tap SAVE.  Now the volume buttons will not be changing the server volume.
He's gone now but I will pass this on.   Thanks for the work-around. 

Seems to me that RO by definition should not allow any controlling of the server.  But, I get that the user needs access to certain functionality like selecting a playlist to play.   One of those fine lines but really I don't understand a use-case for someone who has restricted RO access to control the volume on the server.   

Thanks again for the work-around.  Hopefully my nephew will follow it.   
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Re: MO 4Media - remote control and player with Android TV & Android Auto support
« Reply #873 on: September 15, 2022, 11:43:50 am »

I'm having some issues with MO playback on Android Auto in my 2022 Honda Civic and I'm not sure where the trouble lies and there are like 3 different ways that it fails, so troubleshooting has been difficult.  I think the main cause of the issue is when my phone switches from connection to my wifi to cellular data as I leave the house.

Sometimes it just works. Others playback will start fine, like when I'm waiting in the driveway for the garage door to close.  I'll start down the street and lose connection as I switch from wifi to cell, almost always I cannot get playback to resume.  To get it working again I have to go to "servers" select offline server, then back to server selection and choose jriver, it reconnects and I can then resume playback.  Other times it will remain "playing" but getting no audio, the track time continues to count up and goes past the end of the song, say the current track is 3:30, the timer keeps ticking over 3:30, to fix I have to connect to the offline server then back to jriver. 

When I'm out and about and start playback and am already connected to cellular network this rarely if every happens.  It is the change from wifi to cellular that is the root of the problem, I'm just not sure how to resolve.  Playing back from gizmo without Android Auto as the intermediary does not have the same issue, playback doesn't even stop as I disco from wifi and move to cell data. 

Any ideas on how to get this to work more seamlessly?  I'm always pressing a zillion buttons in the first 3 minutes of my drives which is very frustrating, especially since the behavior is inconsistent. 
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Re: MO 4Media - remote control and player with Android TV & Android Auto support
« Reply #874 on: September 15, 2022, 12:59:54 pm »

Any ideas on how to get this to work more seamlessly?  I'm always pressing a zillion buttons in the first 3 minutes of my drives which is very frustrating, especially since the behavior is inconsistent.

I will have to look at this.  It is supposed to auto re-connect when the network switches and used to do that when I tried before.  It will still stop playback, but you will just have to hit play again.  One option is to turn off Wi-Fi before you plug in although I realize this is not ideal.
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Re: MO 4Media - remote control and player with Android TV & Android Auto support
« Reply #875 on: September 15, 2022, 02:05:30 pm »

I will have to look at this.  It is supposed to auto re-connect when the network switches and used to do that when I tried before.  It will still stop playback, but you will just have to hit play again.  One option is to turn off Wi-Fi before you plug in although I realize this is not ideal.

Thanks!  The behavior is not consistent which makes it frustrating to trouble shoot.  I agree that turning off wifi before starting it up would help if not entirely fix the issue.  I've tried waiting to start playback until only on cellular network and this often doesn't work.  I can see the current track, but the play button doesn't start playback.  I still have to switch to offline server, back to jriver, I get the spinning icon that it is connecting and then playback will work. 
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Warning: as with JRemote,  MO 4Media will not work from outside the LAN on some cell networks that have been upgraded from IPV4 to IPV6. 

I was using JRemote successfully for years on my IOS phone during my daily commute but last year it stopped working when my cell network provider made some IPV6-related upgrades.  I just installed the IOS version of MO 4Media to see if it has the same problem - and it does - it fails to connect with the message 'Could not authenticate on the server. Please check the user'. 

The only work-around is to install a VPN on the phone (because most VPNs use an IPv4 public address) - but VPNs can be expensive and slow.  Can something be done with MO 4Media to fix this problem?

Note: running PANEL from the IOS Safari browser on the phone still works OK from outside the network because Safari is IPV6 capable.
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I used to have TMobile Home Internet which also used IPV6 so I could not port forward normally.  I ended up using Tailscale which I think uses Wireguard underneath.  It is free, simple to setup, and has Android and iOS apps.
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I used to have TMobile Home Internet which also used IPV6 so I could not port forward normally.  I ended up using Tailscale which I think uses Wireguard underneath.  It is free, simple to setup, and has Android and iOS apps.

Hi cnbc - thanks for the feedback.  On another thread a user suggested a fix which involved signing up for a free DynDNS service, configuring the DynDNS option on the modem/router to use the domain name allocated by the service, and then setting up a new server entry in the Remote app by entering the domain name instead of the access key in the address field.  This works in JRemote but doesn't work in MO 4Media because MO 4Media doesn't seem to allow a domain name to be entered in the address feild - it only allows an access key or server address.

So I guess with MO 4Media the only work-around is to use a VPN on the phone.  Thanks for the info on Tailscale.  That sounds like a good service and will give it a try. 
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This works in JRemote but doesn't work in MO 4Media because MO 4Media doesn't seem to allow a domain name to be entered in the address feild - it only allows an access key or server address.

Domain name should work as long as you include the port.  For example: www.mymcserver.com:52199
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Domain name should work as long as you include the port.  For example: www.mymcserver.com:52199

Hi CNBC - yes you are right.  I added the port at the end of the domain name and it connected OK.  So as with JRemote, if standard port forwarding does not work when trying to connect via MO 4Media from outside the home networK (due to cell network being on IPV6) then setting up a DDNS is a good work-around.
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Wow, this is what I've always wanted!!!  I just got the streaming setup over cellular, and I'm already so much happier with this than plexamp!

Track numbers!!!  And smart playlists that don't suck.

Well, great job to whoever's behind it all, I'd love a few things if possible!  Maybe they already are, I'm still very new.  Here we go:

1) Tap to instantly play (in the lower queue).  Press and hold to bring up the big menu - makes jumping around a lot faster.

2) Customize displayed content.  I love seeing the bitrates of the FLACs and m4as.  16/44.1 is pretty boring.  Would also be neat to have somewhat more control like how you can customize the info shown in the playing now fields of Media Center, but I'll be happy with just seeing the bitrates displayed live!  I can already see the program can access that info via the Tag section.

3) Tap on the star to rate instead of bring a menu to rate.  There's just 5 stars.  I'm very adept at tapping the one I want to pick.  Please avoid the extra menu!  Plexamp did this change eventually and it is just so much more intuitive.  If you want to get really fancy tap/hold and sliding should update the stars in real time as you slide left/right and when you release it obviously stops changing the rating.

Also tap to seek.  Instead of the tap to get to the seekbar then seek.

And extra extra also, waveform seekbars.  Instead of just a flat line would be amazing if you could pull the waveform data like Media Center does for being able to "see" the song and seek instantly to the section you want - waveforms are kinda like maps and you get to know exactly where parts of the song are by the looks of the waveform (again Plexamp does waveform seekbars and it's really cool).

I think that's all for now.  Do this stuff and I'll never stop my subscription lol.  Please!
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1) It's not exactly what you want, but double-tap performs the previous menu selection.

2) You can customize the 2 top lines with custom library fields.  See the first post for details.

3&4) It is this way to prevent accidental ratings and seeking.  I don't think I will change this anytime soon.

5) Waveform seekbars would be cool, but unlikely at this time.  Sorry.
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Thanks I didn't try to double tap yet!

As for points 3/4 being the way it is to prevent accidental seeking - I understand that to be a benefit, still, if you'd ever consider making it an option... well options are the answer to the old if you please one person you displease another - defaulting to your preferred functionality of preventing accidental taps but also having a simple option one is able to enable to directly tap on the ratings... well maybe it's just too much effort for minimal happiness I'm not sure, but it would be a way to please everyone, or at least me haha and not remove functionality from others.

I guess I'm really all-in on ratings, I mainly use them to adjust probability of how much I want a song played so I like to be aware of and rate mostly every song.

There's no way to display ratings of all the upcoming songs in the queue below the active playing song or when you're browsing the library either was there? 

Would be nice to see at a glance which songs you've rated and be able to quickly identify the higher rated songs in an album.  But it seems like a long shot maybe.  Generally software that does this probably would place it right justified over the song length, looks like there'd be space for it, but I understand if you feel it begins to clutter stuff up (this circles back to options again - they solve stuff for everyone) - though I'd personally go so far as to replace the artist/album information below the track/title with a rating field myself if I had the choice - I find that far much relevant info than seeing the same text repeated over and over and over and over on every track of an album. 

Edit: I guess I can use the custom tags mentioned in post 1 - a little more work, but I'm sure you have enough to do.  Guess I'll see if there's a way MC can autofill a custom field with other fields, would be nice to have that MO field auto-generated from combining the rating along with other fields into a single field to show all the info in the line given for it.  That's something MusicBee could do so hopefully MC does it as well.
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Now we're in business!  Ratings, format previews (extension), file sizes and bitrates!

The reason for the empty placeholder stars is my OCD triggers like crazy with the info jumping out of alignment and I didn't really just like seeing "1" or "4" even if I put / 5 after it.  So perfect fix for me, thanks!

Just to confirm too, I don't have control over what is displayed in the two lines of the now playing (upper) section correct?  I do actually like seeing the Artist / Album once on the screen along with the track name, but I might find something else to throw in there if so.
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Just to confirm too, I don't have control over what is displayed in the two lines of the now playing (upper) section correct?

Correct.
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Hmm, I just noticed my play counts are not updating from using the app - but it is able to rate songs successfully (so I would presume that means it can write to the library ok).  I see in the first post this was an issue at one point and fixed in v1.1 - any thoughts as to what might be wrong?  Thank you.

I do have update play stats enabled - tried just turning off, saving, and turning it back on and saving - seem to have made it work now actually.

A peculiarity though, and not a bad one - but according to the FAQ, "[Number Plays] is incremented if: the playhead is positioned at the 50% mark or more for audio files." 

I guess in this app the play count functions differently where it is only increased if it plays through the very end of the track.
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For some reason I can't see Jpg-files under View Assets/Extra anymore. The only files I can see are jrsecure rip files (txt). Sure it worked fine with jpg-files some months ago.
Have I done anything with settings or what could be wrong?
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I guess in this app the play count functions differently where it is only increased if it plays through the very end of the track.

That is correct.
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For some reason I can't see Jpg-files under View Assets/Extra anymore. The only files I can see are jrsecure rip files (txt). Sure it worked fine with jpg-files some months ago.
Have I done anything with settings or what could be wrong?

Make sure the jpeg files are still in the same folder as the audio files and make sure they are imported into MC (as Images).
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Will Mo4Media run on Android 4.2 ?  If not the current version, is there an older release that will?  I have an old Galaxy S4 mini that I'm trying to keep alive.
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cncb

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Will Mo4Media run on Android 4.2 ?  If not the current version, is there an older release that will?  I have an old Galaxy S4 mini that I'm trying to keep alive.

Sorry, I don't think so. But I am pretty sure Google Play won't let you install it if not.
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Would it be possible to adjust the now playing caching / buffering to be a bit more extreme?  I feel like on my 5G connection I can normally pull pretty good speeds (certainly enough to load a full song in a second or two) but if I go through a semi-poor signal area I'll occasionally lose playback until I'm out of the poor signal area.

Also noticeable if seeking in the song - it'll take 3-4 seconds before playback starts (guess it is loading up the new position from the server rather than finding it locally). 

Related - is there any way to cache songs?  Would be nice if you could pre-download the subsequent track in the playlist - I know some players allow for GBs of cache, but even a few songs would be helpful in the program's speed.

Also I see the option to download songs - this does not actually play them from a downloaded state does it?  I didn't see any way to manage the downloaded songs or remove them after selecting to download an album.
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Related - is there any way to cache songs?  Would be nice if you could pre-download the subsequent track in the playlist - I know some players allow for GBs of cache, but even a few songs would be helpful in the program's speed.

Also I see the option to download songs - this does not actually play them from a downloaded state does it?  I didn't see any way to manage the downloaded songs or remove them after selecting to download an album.

Sorry, I don't have any plans to cache entire songs ahead of time.  I will see if I can adjust the buffer used by the player.

Tap the Server name at the top and choose "Go Offline".  Then it will play the downloaded files on the device.  Go to Settings | Downloads to delete downloads (you don't have to be "offline" to do this).
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wheel54

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Thanks - the download function is working now and it's really nice!  I didn't realize to switch to offline mode to see the downloads, and I can see how to manage and delete them.

Another suggestion:
Have the Library tab return you to the "home" section when tapped a second time (pushed while already in library view).  It's nice it saves its location when you switch to return to library, but it would be more useful if pushing it a second time brought you back to the beginning - instead of doing nothing.  I guess to me this is what I'd expect to happen, maybe you don't agree lol.  It's more awkward to use the home button at the top of the screen for me (I have the tabs location set to bottom).
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lepa

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After playback expression would be cool. Now my play history is lagging when listening remote. Maybe there could be some http api call to be added to MC to execute after playback expression on server after the item has been played.

Another thing which would be nice is diversion. It could be just simple move playing now playlist from x to y. So from devices playing now to selectable zone or vice versa
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After playback expression would be cool. Now my play history is lagging when listening remote. Maybe there could be some http api call to be added to MC to execute after playback expression on server after the item has been played.

Another thing which would be nice is diversion. It could be just simple move playing now playlist from x to y. So from devices playing now to selectable zone or vice versa

Playback Settings has an option to update play stats after playing
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lepa

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Thanks but I think that it is saving to MC's internal play stats fields. So it will only update total plays and last played date.

My MC is set to save all the date's played to user created [Play history] field which is updated via MC's after playback expression
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Another thing which would be nice is diversion. It could be just simple move playing now playlist from x to y. So from devices playing now to selectable zone or vice versa

This is already in the next version which I will be releasing soon.
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