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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2018, 01:34:29 pm »

Jim - Any comment about making streaming urls part of the new Streamng structure?
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #51 on: April 29, 2018, 12:15:24 pm »

Here's the new Streaming page from MC24:

Why no Pandora?
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #52 on: April 29, 2018, 12:22:15 pm »

Jim - Any comment about making streaming urls part of the new Streamng structure?
Maybe in the future.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #53 on: April 29, 2018, 05:49:35 pm »

Maybe in the future.

Thanks, Good to know.  I think these direct streaming sites are less common these days, but there are still many still out there.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #54 on: April 29, 2018, 08:25:30 pm »

Why no Pandora?

Probably because it requires protected content plugin which the Chromium browser in MC doesn't have. Same with Spotify, Netflix and basically any of the big streaming providers.

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« Reply #55 on: April 30, 2018, 08:02:04 am »

Probably because it requires protected content plugin which the Chromium browser in MC doesn't have. Same with Spotify, Netflix and basically any of the big streaming providers.

I read elsewhere on the forums that the Id isn't meant to be a streaming device. Which I don't understand because it obviously has providers under "streaming." Then I read more that said Pandora is a company which is losing money so JRiver doesn't want to align themselves with same. Whatever the reason, I guess the Id mirrors Mediacenter and Mediacenter doesn't support Pandora either.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #56 on: April 30, 2018, 10:01:31 am »

So, Im confused... Upgrade today to 24.0.20 and section STREAMING in the left pulldown menu is disappeared...
I try streaming elsewhere, but I have nothing...
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #57 on: April 30, 2018, 11:59:00 am »

So, Im confused... Upgrade today to 24.0.20 and section STREAMING in the left pulldown menu is disappeared...
I try streaming elsewhere, but I have nothing...

The streaming list in the tree was changed to be hidden by default. You can still get it show by clicking on Streaming again.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #58 on: April 30, 2018, 02:26:18 pm »

The streaming list in the tree was changed to be hidden by default. You can still get it show by clicking on Streaming again.
OK, I fixed it. After full uninstalling previous version I made clear install the new version. And streaming on the place.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #59 on: April 30, 2018, 04:42:39 pm »

In the 24.0.20 announcement thread, it is stated that user defined stations will not display in the Streaming page.  It is also stated that the items on the Streaming page will not go away if you deselect that item. That means, that the tree display will represent the users selections, but the large icon view will not.  It will be static with all the JRiver defined entries but will not adjust to user input.

In my opinion, this is not a good user interface decision.  My primary use would not be for JRiver defined entries, yet that is what I will see on the main display.

I think the main view, Streaming page should reflect the user selections. Please consider changing it to do that.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #60 on: April 30, 2018, 05:16:45 pm »

What we've done so far is this:

Collected all of the streaming features in one place.  That includes Podcasts.

Built a visual, touch friendly interface for these.

Added Radio Paradise, FIP, BBC World Service, and Radio Swiss Classic.

A lot of changes to support Radio Paradise.  It's pure FLAC streaming.

Modified Streaming in the tree so it doesn't also expand.

We will try to do some of what you want in the near future.

I'd like to find a way to get the streaming interface working in Panel.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #61 on: April 30, 2018, 05:33:22 pm »

Thanks Jim. You have come a long way. Hopefully the UI issues can be updated so the tree and icon view are in sync and user defined icons for user defined entries would also be nice.  Keep up the good work.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #62 on: April 30, 2018, 05:47:45 pm »

Thank you.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #63 on: May 01, 2018, 12:29:10 pm »

And please, don't forget an ergonomic operability in theater mode.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #64 on: May 01, 2018, 12:35:52 pm »

And please, don't forget an ergonomic operability in theater mode.
Please explain.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #65 on: May 01, 2018, 01:26:06 pm »

Built a visual, touch friendly interface for these.

I'd like to find a way to get the streaming interface working in Panel.

Hi,
Thanks for all the work, much appreciated.
Are you planning to make the streaming interface available also in JRemote?
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #66 on: May 01, 2018, 01:33:11 pm »

A very kind user wrote me by e-mail to recommend Radio Swiss Classic.  Here are the links:

http://stream.srg-ssr.ch/m/rsc_de/aacp_96

http://stream.srg-ssr.ch/m/rsc_de/mp3_128

This is ace !
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #67 on: May 01, 2018, 03:34:32 pm »

Great job with this update Jim, thoroughly enjoying the Radio Paradise streaming experience with MC24  :) but...

Turning off memory playback killed the long gaps between tracks I was hearing.

I'm still getting the skip between tracks with Radio Paradise stream. Memory playback is switched off and I've got gapless selected... so does anybody have any other suggestions?
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #68 on: May 02, 2018, 08:44:26 am »

I just learned about this Streaming function in the new Media Center 24. I installed MC 24.0.20 64-bit over a earlier MC 24.0.18 64-bit version. I don't have a Streaming section anywhere in the my program, it's settings or in Panel. How do you activate this feature?

Thanks, Duncan.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #69 on: May 02, 2018, 08:54:08 am »

Check Tools > Options > General > Features
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« Reply #70 on: May 02, 2018, 12:43:18 pm »

Please explain.

For me that would mean the ability to navigate to different streaming sites in the theater view interface while using a remote control.  Doing so without changing views (I.E. changing to the standard view interface or any others) and providing the ability to pause/play/ff/rw would be the most helpful.  Is this something you will consider even if you don't want to do it anytime too soon?
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« Reply #71 on: May 02, 2018, 01:00:44 pm »

For me that would mean the ability to navigate to different streaming sites in the theater view interface while using a remote control.  Doing so without changing views (I.E. changing to the standard view interface or any others) and providing the ability to pause/play/ff/rw would be the most helpful.  Is this something you will consider even if you don't want to do it anytime too soon?

I'd really like that too  :D
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #72 on: May 02, 2018, 03:18:00 pm »

Check Tools > Options > General > Features


Thanks that did it. I haven't look in features for a long while and therefore didn't think to check. It might be better if it was on by default.

Thanks, Duncan.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #73 on: May 02, 2018, 03:26:14 pm »

It should default to on.
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« Reply #74 on: May 03, 2018, 07:09:14 am »

It should default to on.

After sending that message I thought that maybe the existing settings file, set up for the previous versions, may have overridden the new defaults. Whatever the case, Media Center is getting more and more complicated while I am getting more and more simple.

Best, Duncan.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #75 on: May 08, 2018, 05:16:14 pm »

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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #76 on: May 11, 2018, 07:21:40 am »

Can I please make the request that once a selection is made on the streaming window, that focus is taken OFF the tree. It’s really annoying to select YouTube, only to have the down button then go and move the selection down on the tree, and away from what I actually want to stream...

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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #77 on: May 11, 2018, 04:19:10 pm »

Is there any chance that you might add Qobuz to the streaming services? Your interface is vastly superior.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #78 on: May 11, 2018, 04:46:40 pm »

You could use the WDM Driver with Qobuz.

https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/WDM_Driver
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #79 on: May 11, 2018, 05:25:57 pm »

You could use the WDM Driver with Qobuz.

https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/WDM_Driver

WDM apparently works with with Qobuz 24/44 and 24/48 but not with 24/96

https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,115774.0.html

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« Reply #80 on: May 13, 2018, 08:07:09 pm »

And please, don't forget an ergonomic operability in theater mode.

+1 as at the moment I can't use this feature on my HTPC.

Also, it seems to play through the Windows sound system rather than JRiver, what's up with that?
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« Reply #81 on: May 13, 2018, 09:41:15 pm »

You could use the WDM Driver with Qobuz.

https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/WDM_Driver
The WDM driver needs to be fixed for that to be an option.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #82 on: May 14, 2018, 01:06:05 pm »

Nice Interface!  Since you have Radio Swiss Classic, I would highly recommend adding Radio Swiss Jazz:

http://www.radioswissjazz.ch/en

24x7 Great jazz, commercial free.  Amongst my two favorite online radio stations (the other being Radio Paradise).

Thanks!
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #83 on: May 14, 2018, 01:50:06 pm »

Nice Interface!  Since you have Radio Swiss Classic, I would highly recommend adding Radio Swiss Jazz:

http://www.radioswissjazz.ch/en

24x7 Great jazz, commercial free.  Amongst my two favorite online radio stations (the other being Radio Paradise).

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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #84 on: May 15, 2018, 01:32:43 pm »

You could use the WDM Driver with Qobuz.

https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/WDM_Driver

Qobuz is superb. I’ve been using for a couple of years and it is just the case that I now I use it more than MC, by a fair margin. It was flakey with WDM, and in any case had no acceptable way I could find of remote controlling it. It would be wonderful to integrate Qobuz, MC and JRemote.

If you call a section “streaming” people like me at least will expect it to support well known streaming services like Tidal and Qobuz.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #85 on: May 17, 2018, 02:22:28 am »

Any chance for Mixcloud or Soundcloud to be added to the list please  :)
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« Reply #86 on: May 23, 2018, 04:05:21 pm »

Up to my neck with my new job, but tried this for the first time this evening...

Radio Paradise working a treat. Very good.

Was thrilled to see Pix01 and last.fm in there, however....

I can't log in to either service using the page presented inside MC.
Pix01 pops a new internet explorer window for logging in (even though Firefox is my default), which works, but is not reflected inside MC.
last.fm shows the login page inside MC, but then returns an access denied page.

See, now, if the login could work, imagine how neat it would be to be able to browse my Flickr library from inside MC... or my Google photos...

Security is essential, but also a right royal PITA.
I don't use Dr. Who because the password is in my password manager, I could never remember it. Password manager isn't available from the internal MC page, the "Remember me" tick box doesn't remember me, and it's too much hassle to keep delving into the password mananger to copy/paste the password... so I don't use it.

I want to give MC the credentials for these places, be able to trust MC with said credentials, and never have to think about them again. Seamless integration to my online stuff from within MC would be an excellent thing...

A pipe dream?

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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #87 on: May 26, 2018, 09:50:57 am »

On the icon interface, the icons are evenly spaced in the first 2 lines, but centered in the last line. That makes the whole interface somewhat jarring. Rather than centering the last line, left justifying the icons would make for a more pleasing display.  Look at a typical MC Album view. The last line is not centered, it is left justified.  Makes it easier to read.


Any progress on having the icon interface reflect the user selected items in the tree?  Having the icon interface be mostly items I do not use and having most of the ones I do use not displayed makes the interface pretty useless.  The items I added should also be displayed in the icon view, which means a way to add a image for the icon would also be useful.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #88 on: May 27, 2018, 09:28:50 pm »

1.  Plays everything.
4.  Delivers high quality audio and video

I've been buying/using MC for many years for the 2 reasons above + the perfect handling of metadata + syncing my files to OneDrive. I bought MC 23 to support JRiver although there was nothing new for 1) or 4). I've been waiting for a more major UI overhaul (I've seen other users asking for the same) but sadly in MC 24, the only change in that direction is a new skin. I do sincerely hope that the majority of the other users are satisfied with the direction of the new features but this time, I cannot justify the upgrade... I use MC to play/watch movies on a single computer, I have a NAS for all my media, I use spotify to stream music - nothing fancy, and sadly all the web/network features do not resonate with me.

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« Reply #89 on: May 29, 2018, 01:48:06 pm »

I was so pleased to see Radio Paradise as a FLAC stream! Longtime supporter of Radio Paradise myself (highly recommended). The fidelity of the FLAC Playback is exceptional!
 
I have encountered a playback issue whereby first FLAC song streams/plays flawlessly until the final 10 seconds. With approximately 10 seconds remaining-  playback stops while next track downloads (1MBs ). The gap in playback lasts for ~15 seconds and then playback resumes - completing last 10 seconds of the first track and continues playback of the second track - until the last 10 seconds of the second track remaining with playback pausing until download of the third track and the process repeats.

Please let me know if there’s something I can do with buffering etc. to get subsequent tracks to download prior to changing to the next track? I am using Media Center 24.0.27 (64-bit). Platform is extremely stable. My download speed is reliably 8 Mb per second with no meaningful overhead. Any help that can point me in the right direction is greatly appreciated!
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #90 on: May 29, 2018, 03:04:26 pm »

If you're using Play from Memory, please turn that off.  A future version will do this automatically.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #91 on: May 29, 2018, 04:08:46 pm »

If you're using Play from Memory, please turn that off.  A future version will do this automatically.
I think it was said already, "radio paradise" with or without  memory "bug"
briskly a new version for this problem to be fixed
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« Reply #92 on: May 29, 2018, 05:00:32 pm »

Thanks for reply,
"Memory playback (not zone specific): No memory playback"?

Clearly this is not "typical" streaming architecture
"additive" playlist build in Playing Now vs. steady streaming (single playing item)?
Most interesting!
Fidelity is BIG vs. 320k from Radio Paradise link.
How may I help?

Just updated to MC24.0.30 (64-bit) and still have Huge latency problem between FLAC tracks with playback stoping for 25 sec. while completeing download of next track?
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« Reply #93 on: June 06, 2018, 03:29:38 pm »

Just noticed that Radio Swiss Jazz has been added to the Streaming list...
THANKS SOoooo Much.

LOVE that station  :-*
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« Reply #94 on: June 18, 2018, 10:52:07 am »

Add, please, to the set of streams JRiver Radio "cherry on the cake" - a wave of Progressive Rock in any lossless format...I hope that you have a very interesting collection of this music... ;)

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« Reply #95 on: June 18, 2018, 10:57:33 am »

Progressive Rock in lossless?  I would never need another station!  I currently do Aural Moon.  If I could get that in lossless you would have a subscriber for life.  Thanks.
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« Reply #96 on: December 16, 2018, 01:42:11 am »

Hi,

Is it possible to remove streaming sources from the streaming web page?

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« Reply #97 on: December 31, 2018, 01:19:54 pm »

Unless the browsers expose an interface to do that, thats not going to be possible - and so far, they don't.

I like the idea of Streaming being in one place where users can add/remove their own links.  This works fine for audio streaming, but not so well with video streaming.  Rather than asking development to jump through a lot of hoops to to support video streaming, why not just shell out to the user's default browser and play it there?  In the dialog box to add new links, you could have a check box to indicate that this link should be shelled out to a browser.
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« Reply #98 on: January 31, 2019, 09:16:20 pm »

Adding stream URLs directly would be nice for sure.

If I want to load DI.FM in a web browser I'll use my web browser, I don't need  MC for that.

What would be nice is if  JRiver could somehow negotiate with some of the smaller stream providers (like D.FM)  who have their own Apps,  so clearly have an API of some sort that would let users login and have similar functionality as from a mobile App.

So instead of going through a web browser interface, I could just select a "view"  for DI.FM,  which after being setup with my credentials, would show me  channels I can select,  or isolate to my favorites,  and while playing, display the track info / album etc, etc..


Just an idea I know its probably a lot more complicated than that.   But  something along those lines,  or at least being able to add my exported StreamURL w/decryption key and then just select what I want from a Playlist.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #99 on: February 08, 2019, 12:52:25 am »

Removed off topic posts.
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