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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #50 on: March 25, 2023, 10:35:47 am »

Theater View is only the navigation. If you play a video you switch to Display View, which can be fullscreen or in a window.
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #51 on: March 25, 2023, 10:42:57 am »

Oh I follow now.
In which case is there a kboard short cut, or could we have one, that flips between Display mode FS and Display mode windowed - e.g. CtrlEnter please
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #52 on: March 25, 2023, 11:51:37 am »

You can use Ctrl-3 to swap between Display View and Standard View, which gives you the full library interface and playback controls, rather then the very limited display interface.
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #53 on: March 25, 2023, 12:17:38 pm »

Thanks Hendrik
Actually ctrl 3 toggles just as I was looking for - providing you start in Display mode FS

Ctr3 seems to do different things depending where you start.

If you start in Display mode FS then it toggles to windowed and back as I was looking for.
If you start in Standard it toggles to Display windowed and back to Standard.

But if you're in Display windowed - there's no knowing what ctrl3 will do unless you remember where you started
For instance if you're in standard - with video playing there's no key stroke that will take you to Display FS - least I haven't found one.

Actually ctr3 is more like a back button - depending where you are
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #54 on: March 25, 2023, 01:34:15 pm »

When a video is playing, MC is in Display View (sort of temporarily out of Theater View).  Display View allows resizing of the window.  I don't know if there is a way of mapping window size button to a key combo.  Maybe there is not.
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #55 on: March 25, 2023, 01:41:04 pm »

Looks like its an x86 function?

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/alt-enter-switches-between-window-and-full-screen-d1b23daa-644d-3fbf-2f5e-c2c779584db5

Though it says for char based windows - bu sure WMC uses this combo for toggling FS to windowed

Other apps using this combo
https://defkey.com/what-means/alt-enter?utm_content=cmp-true
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #56 on: March 25, 2023, 01:50:19 pm »

Ctrl+3 switches between Standard View and Display View. If you never actually take Display View out of fullscreen, then windowed display view will never come up and not be part of the Ctrl+3 mode switch (and it won't naturally occur either, unless you specifically minimize display view).

Either way MC has several different views, its not as simple as "toggle fullscreen", because what does fullscreen standard view even mean? For every user something else, quite likely.
Thats why we have the keys to switch between desired views directly.
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #57 on: March 25, 2023, 02:05:36 pm »

I'm simply trying to toggle with a kb short cut as if I were clicking the box highlighted in red each time

https://tweaks.com/windows/39108/windows-media-center-keyboard-shortcuts/
"Go in and go out of windowed mode ALT+ENTER"

Looks as if JR doesn't have shortcut that does that - ok.
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #58 on: March 25, 2023, 02:23:11 pm »

In Playing Now, try double clicking on the video, or try right clicking on it and selecting Detach Display. 

Then try F11.

Theater View is full screen, meant for displaying on a TV.

For the desktop use, we'd normally expect a user to switch to Standard View.

I typically watch by using a remote, and from Theater View, I can exit with F11 or by scrolling right to Exit.

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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #59 on: March 25, 2023, 03:36:37 pm »

I'm simply trying to toggle with a kb short cut as if I were clicking the box highlighted in red each time

And I would generally recommend to not use that mode at all. Watch in fullscreen, manage MC in Standard View, can also have the video running in Playing Now if so desired. If you never use windowed display view, then Ctrl+3 will do exactly as you wish.

Long term its usually better to understand the flow of a new app rather then try to shoehorn yours into it, that way you can take advantage of more features, even if not directly obvious.
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #60 on: March 25, 2023, 04:53:36 pm »

When I want to flip out of FS it's probably to answer an email or a forum post, I want to keep the prog running windowed with sound and flip back as soon as I'm finished.
Nothing to do with managing the app - I'm hoping once set up I won't have any managing to do!
Once I have this setup and working, I don't really want to see the Standard screen again.

Windows is about having more than one app viewable when required and then going back to FS when finished.

My exercise is about an OOB replacement for WMC for those who wish to make a 'similar for similar' change  - not about 'loads of new features' - 'JR Light' if you will.
Also for a 'her in doors' 10' experience with a remote - which I'm beginning to think is a possibility.

We're not talking about 'for techies' here or 'having a whole new experience' - but simple watching from the 10'

 
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #61 on: March 25, 2023, 04:55:40 pm »

The same thing applies however, as just pressing Ctrl+3 will toggle between fullscreen playback and standard view, assuming you never manually disabled the fullscreen mode.
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #62 on: March 25, 2023, 05:11:21 pm »

Try double click.

Try escape or escape escape.

We're familiar with the trouble and strife expectations. 
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #63 on: March 25, 2023, 06:20:24 pm »

When I want to flip out of FS it's probably to answer an email or a forum post, I want to keep the prog running windowed with sound and flip back as soon as I'm finished.

Ctrl+1 is probably the best way to achieve that.   It is the sure way of getting back to Standard View, with video playing in the small window of Action Window.  Use Ctrl+3 to get back to Display View (usually fullscreen, unless you already took it out of FS mode before you switch to Standard View).
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #64 on: March 25, 2023, 06:22:37 pm »

Hi both - if i begin in Theatre view using remote and start watching a video using a remote which is most likely situation, if I then do any of those suggestions
 - I get (pic ctrl3) not (pic window)
To get to (pic window) from the starting position I have to mouse to top of FS and click the window box - i.e. I must use a mouse - I was looking for a key stroke that would do what I wanted.
Obviously JR doesn't have one - so I'll leave it there.
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #65 on: March 25, 2023, 06:50:43 pm »

Hi Yaobing
If I start from where I said in the previous post, then ctrl1, I get standard mode which I don't want, if I then do ctr3 I get FS - I do not get windowed.

There seems to be no key stroke that will reliably toggle me between the two pics attached - I have to use the red circled 'window' button which requires a mouse.
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #66 on: March 26, 2023, 09:17:00 am »

Hi Yaobing
If I start from where I said in the previous post, then ctrl1, I get standard mode which I don't want, if I then do ctr3 I get FS - I do not get windowed.
I know you wanted a windowed display view.  I was just offering an alternative.  If you get out of the fullscreen mode mainly to answer emails, you should not be concerned too much about which view MC is in, Display view or Standard view, should you?  You can even try Alt+Tab to switch directly to your email program, while leaving MC in full screen mode.  When you finish your emails, alt+Tab again to get back to MC.

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There seems to be no key stroke that will reliably toggle me between the two pics attached

That is probably correct.
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #67 on: March 26, 2023, 09:19:14 am »

It's liveable with - though for me not ideal - just thought I'd make sure I'm not missing anything  :)
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #68 on: March 26, 2023, 09:43:17 am »

Just about to tackle Theatre view layout - reading Wiki.
Got to make it 'familiar' to the 'intended audience' - you'd call it something different.
For a non techie audience you have to start with something familiar - even if it's very different underneath - bit like electric cars still need brake and accelerator in a familiar place :)

Am I right that the tick box re Windows Media Center actually removes it - unticking won't restore it - it needs a manual re-install?
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #69 on: March 26, 2023, 11:58:56 am »

Am I right that the tick box re Windows Media Center actually removes it - unticking won't restore it - it needs a manual re-install?
It's non-destructive.  It just disables (and re-enables) WMC.  Otherwise WMC can cause problems.

No harm in trying without doing that though.
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #70 on: March 28, 2023, 02:49:48 pm »

Couple of questions please -

1) Should I be able to start JR in Theatre View by pressing the Green Button on the remote?
2) Can I start JR directly in Theatre View by using a switch e.g. /T
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #71 on: March 28, 2023, 03:24:30 pm »

Couple of questions please -

1) Should I be able to start JR in Theatre View by pressing the Green Button on the remote?

Yes if MC is already running.

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2) Can I start JR directly in Theatre View by using a switch e.g. /T

Take a look at the wiki topic "The Command line"
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #72 on: March 28, 2023, 03:27:16 pm »

So you can't wake JR up and directly with the remote go to Theatre view - as you can with 'you know what'?
Is that insurmountable?
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #73 on: March 28, 2023, 03:46:07 pm »

Run media server on windows start up.
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #74 on: March 28, 2023, 03:49:05 pm »

I just knew you'd say that Jim :)

Yaobing I see the command /Mode Theatre - but can you assist with putting the syntax in this box please - thanks.
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #75 on: March 28, 2023, 06:35:19 pm »

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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #76 on: March 28, 2023, 06:58:05 pm »

Oh - ok I thought I'd grown out of batch files for this sort of thing

Anyway and by the way as the sleep cmd is no longer supported, I'll try
timeout 2 /nobreak >nul

Wouldn't it be just nice if JR had some Theatre (Theater) view start up options built in to click during setup
 - 'Theatre View Shows', or  'Theatre View Guide' or 'Theatre View Play' (where it plays the last channel selected in the guide for instance.
Starting in 'standard view' is like 'staring at the innards I'm being told.
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #77 on: March 28, 2023, 07:01:38 pm »

Try Tools > Options > Startup > Location > Last Location.

Options has a search window.

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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #78 on: March 28, 2023, 07:07:51 pm »

Oh that's better Jim :)
Any way that Exit in Theater mode could close the app without having to go back through standard view?
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #79 on: March 28, 2023, 07:08:43 pm »

Right arrow to Exit, then you have choices.
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #80 on: March 28, 2023, 07:12:51 pm »

I'm using a remote - Exit doesn't have option to close the app to do that, or does Shutdown mean shutdown the app not the PC?

No it means shutdown the PC.

I just want to exit JR - am I missing something?

Theatre View configuration for Exit is non configurable but calls a stand alone screen - could that have an Exit J River option?
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #81 on: March 28, 2023, 07:41:12 pm »

Choose Exit, then choose "System Sleep, Shutdown, & More...".  You will see "Close Media Center".  It seems a bit confusing isn't it?
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #82 on: March 28, 2023, 07:44:03 pm »

Could 'we'  just promote it to the top line of options please?
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #83 on: March 28, 2023, 08:19:05 pm »

Just try it for a while.  It takes two seconds to do.
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #84 on: March 29, 2023, 05:27:37 am »

I understand and will do.

Don't quite understand why all other functions in Tools>Options>Theatre View are configurable, but Exit isn't and has a separate fixed screen?
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #85 on: May 19, 2023, 06:07:13 pm »

Had to re-build JR a few times recently and was reminded of the small problem when configuring XMLTV schedule.

Although JR describes this option as xmltv and the relevant screen does too, the combo box to select the file is filtered to .xml not .xmltv - hence .xmltv files, e,g, from EPG123 doesn't show.
Combo has to be changed to 'all files' - no big deal but be good if filter included xmltv - pics attached.
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #86 on: May 20, 2023, 09:03:10 am »

Thanks for reporting this.  I will change the behavior (or you can rename your EPG123 file .xml  ;D)
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« Reply #87 on: May 20, 2023, 09:43:23 am »

Hee hee Y
I get round it by selecting 'all files', but for the sake of others perhaps you could modify the filter option to be xml and xmltv.
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #88 on: May 20, 2023, 10:18:02 am »

P.S. I really do wish that JR didn't automatically try and import all the folders it can find without asking first - I get caught every time.

Please ask first - thanks.
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #89 on: May 20, 2023, 10:28:54 am »

It tells you and you have 45 seconds to stop import.

If you don't catch it, clear your library and import again.
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #90 on: May 20, 2023, 10:47:21 am »

Yes I know.

But with everything else going on when doing a new build it's easy to miss/forget the little message in bottom L.

Just a suggestion to ask first.
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« Reply #91 on: May 20, 2023, 04:58:26 pm »

Thanks for reporting this.  I will change the behavior (or you can rename your EPG123 file .xml  ;D)

A beer for the answer as to why this won't work  ;)
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Re: Tuners and Topology
« Reply #92 on: May 21, 2023, 09:22:52 am »

No takers?
Competition is now closed.

The answer is that 24 hrs later EPG123 will have updated the schedule with a new file with .xmltv extension.
At which point JR's guide will be out of date as it will be looking for a .xml file  ;D
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« Reply #93 on: May 21, 2023, 10:02:12 am »

I was not sure what you meant by "this will not work" - me changing MC or you changing file extension  ;D

You could make it work if you really wanted to: write a script to change the file extension and run it between downloading of the data and MC importing the file.  But of course that is not necessary as I am changing MC.
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« Reply #94 on: May 21, 2023, 10:38:34 am »

I do know when you're pulling my leg ;D
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