Topic: Qoubus integrated with JRiver ? (Read 1984 times)

BerntF · « **on:** October 20, 2024, 01:42:24 am »

Hi
Seems to be hard, if possible? to integrate Qoubus to JRiver.
Is there any simple solution to this.

BerntF

JimH · « **Reply #1 on:** October 20, 2024, 03:58:15 am »

We have no plans for Qobuz.

You can use the WDM driver to route sound through MC.

Angelo58 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 20, 2024, 09:18:09 pm »

Quote from: JimH on October 20, 2024, 03:58:15 am

We have no plans for Qobuz.

You can use the WDM driver to route sound through MC.

I'm a MC beginner so I didn't understand.
Is it possible a easy instruction?
Thank you

JimH · « **Reply #3 on:** October 20, 2024, 11:55:18 pm »

https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/WDM_Driver

Angelo58 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 21, 2024, 01:19:14 am »

Thank you. I read it, but no mention for Qobuz.
How can I streaming Qobuz by JRiver?

Awesome Donkey · « **Reply #5 on:** October 21, 2024, 01:48:07 am »

The WDM driver is a virtual audio driver that can be used with other apps outside of Media Center. Which means you'd have to load up and use the existing Qobuz (or Tidal) app with Media Center running at the same time and set the Qobuz (or Tidal) app to use Media Center's WDM driver as the audio output in order for the audio to be piped through Media Center. There is no Qobuz (or Tidal) integration in Media Center itself, so it relies on the existing Qobuz (or Tidal) app running alongside it with the WDM driver piping the audio through it. This may not be desirable as it requires the Qobuz (or Tidal) app to be running too but it's the only way to playback Qobuz (or Tidal) through Media Center.

Be warned though, there seems to be an ongoing issue playing back 24/192 Qobuz (or Tidal) content with the WDM driver, so that may not work.

Angelo58 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 21, 2024, 02:10:51 am »

Thank you very much.
So is not necessary Bubbleupnp and creating an HomeConnect with JRiver?
The Qobuz App sees JRiver? Also from iPad?
And the streaming flows through JPlayer with all the JRiver setting and DSP and VST?

Awesome Donkey · « **Reply #7 on:** October 21, 2024, 02:17:28 am »

The WDM driver is Windows-only and is not available on any other platform, so if you're using other platforms like Android other apps are likely necessary. No, it won't work on iOS either. Again, the WDM driver only works on Windows from playback on Windows-only.

How it'd work is the Qobuz app on Windows would see the Windows version of Media Center's virtual audio driver as an option for the audio output and you could use it as the audio output on Windows.

Angelo58 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 21, 2024, 02:20:56 am »

Thank you very much, again.
I found it

But if I want to use this remotely how can I do?

Awesome Donkey · « **Reply #9 on:** October 21, 2024, 02:24:43 am »

Remotely to other devices? You can't, unfortunately. It'd only work locally on the Windows device both Media Center and the Qobuz app are running on to the audio output set in Media Center. If the audio output is DLNA-based (and not USB, SPDIF, etc.) it won't work either, as the WDM driver doesn't work over DLNA.

Angelo58 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 21, 2024, 02:45:12 am »

But my streamer dac is upnp. I can’t connect it with usb.

Awesome Donkey · « **Reply #11 on:** October 21, 2024, 02:50:49 am »

Yeah, the WDM driver won't work with UPnP either unfortunately so it's a no-go. Unfortunately that means there's no way to play Qobuz through Media Center in your setup.

Angelo58 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 21, 2024, 02:54:08 am »

it's a nightmare!
I'm trying from Windows.
I launch the Qobuz app, select jriver driver. I choose a song and play it. the Qobuz application closes.

Angelo58 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 21, 2024, 02:55:00 am »

JRiver sees my M120 Atoll

Awesome Donkey · « **Reply #14 on:** October 21, 2024, 02:57:40 am »

Quote from: Angelo58 on October 21, 2024, 02:55:00 am

JRiver sees my M120 Atoll

Yes, Media Center in generally can see and playback to DLNA/UPnP devices in general... but the WDM driver feature doesn't work for that. WDM driver doesn't work over DLNA/UPnP.

Angelo58 · « **Reply #15 on:** October 21, 2024, 03:19:23 am »

But with bubbleupnp works

Awesome Donkey · « **Reply #16 on:** October 21, 2024, 03:27:11 am »

BubbleUPnP isn't a JRiver app, it can access JRiver's libraries via DLNA/UPnP that are on the network when Media Network is enabled.

Angelo58 · « **Reply #17 on:** October 21, 2024, 03:52:26 am »

Certain! but I meant that with bubbleupnp jriver receives from qobuz and sends to my Atoll via upnp.

Angelo58 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 21, 2024, 03:53:39 am »

unfortunately the audio stream that jriver sends to the Atoll I can't pass it through jriver's dsp or vst

Awesome Donkey · « **Reply #19 on:** October 21, 2024, 04:05:52 am »

Quote from: Angelo58 on October 21, 2024, 03:52:26 am

Certain! but I meant that with bubbleupnp jriver receives from qobuz and sends to my Atoll via upnp.

BubbleUPnP's Qobuz implementation is its own and has nothing to do with JRiver or Media Center itself.

Quote from: Angelo58 on October 21, 2024, 03:53:39 am

unfortunately the audio stream that jriver sends to the Atoll I can't pass it through jriver's dsp or vst

Correct. It doesn't work for audio passed through the WDM driver.

Angelo58 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 21, 2024, 05:01:37 am »

Thanks again for your availability and clarity. However, I am very sorry because I wasted a lot of time. It would be useful to state clearly that JRiver is designed for managing local libraries and endpoints physically connected to the computer. There are other free players that allow both access to Upnp streamers and reception from streaming services by using your own DSP or other plugins and VSTs. For example Foobar2000. I would have liked JRiver more, but it is completely unusable in my case.

JimH · « **Reply #21 on:** October 21, 2024, 08:05:33 am »

JRiver supports:
Cloudplay, our own streaming service
Podcasts
Web Media
DLNA, which predates the use of "endpoint"
Client / Server using JRiver on both sides
Multiple remotes
Remote streaming from JRiver anywhere on the Internet

Your statement of what it does in only partially correct.

Angelo58 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 21, 2024, 12:41:31 pm »

Thanks for your clarification, but I was trying to achieve with JRiver what many other players, even free ones, do. And the reason is that I really like the many possibilities that JRiver offers, but that become unusable for me if I can't direct JRiver to my Upnp Atoll MS120 endpoint which has no USB port. This is the answer I'm looking for but it seems that no one knows how to do it. Some hastily say that it cannot be done and that's it. Others that it can be done but can't tell me how.

Awesome Donkey · « **Reply #23 on:** October 21, 2024, 05:02:25 pm »

To be clear what I was referring to above was the use of Qobuz/Tidal through Media Center, not anything with a local library/files, DLNA/UPnP outputs or anything like that. Specifically I was referring to since Media Center doesn't support or integrate Qobuz/Tidal that the only way to either get Qobuz/Tidal working through Media Center is the WDM driver on Windows, which I also pointed out that the WDM driver output doesn't work through DLNA/UPnP.

Other than the Qobuz/Tidal stuff, it should be very capable.

Angelo58 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 21, 2024, 10:36:56 pm »

So Radio, Podcast, CouldPlay, Web Media etc, works with Upnp endpoint, through the JRiver audio path ?

Would be very appreciative for a How To.

Thank you

Angelo58 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 22, 2024, 01:01:26 am »

In summary, DSP and VST work perfectly from both Qobuz and Local and interact in real time, showing what is happening and completing the audio path to my Atoll Upnp, without USB connection.

I still have to experiment with the whole Streaming section of the interface, so that it behaves in the same way.

Angelo58 · « **Reply #26 on:** October 22, 2024, 06:46:46 am »

As we wanted to demonstrate. After yesterday's results, today I tried to repeat the miracle, but I didn't succeed.
I have the impression that nobody cares and it's a real shame.

Angelo58 · « **Reply #27 on:** October 26, 2024, 03:09:21 am »

Quote from: JimH on October 21, 2024, 08:05:33 am

JRiver supports:
Cloudplay, our own streaming service
Podcasts
Web Media
DLNA, which predates the use of "endpoint"
Client / Server using JRiver on both sides
Multiple remotes
Remote streaming from JRiver anywhere on the Internet

Your statement of what it does in only partially correct.

How can I send podcast or radio or web media into Audio Path of JRiver. All the service play, but the Audio Path is empty

Awesome Donkey · « **Reply #28 on:** October 26, 2024, 07:11:35 am »

Quote from: Angelo58 on October 26, 2024, 03:09:21 am

How can I send podcast or radio or web media into Audio Path of JRiver. All the service play, but the Audio Path is empty

Those go through the embedded web browser as far as I know, so it'd require the WDM driver... which won't work over DLNA/UPnP so I don't think it's possible in that setup unfortunately.

Angelo58 · « **Reply #29 on:** October 26, 2024, 11:03:49 pm »

WDM driver Tutorial?

I found WDM but I didn't understand how use it.

JimH · « **Reply #30 on:** October 27, 2024, 01:09:41 am »

Angelo58 · « **Reply #31 on:** October 27, 2024, 01:32:50 am »

Yes I read wiki, but it is clear, almost for me.
Need a specific example. Radio Classic, what have I select and configurate?

Angelo58 · « **Reply #32 on:** October 27, 2024, 02:33:10 am »

Quote from: Angelo58 on October 27, 2024, 01:32:50 am

Yes I read wiki, but it is clear, almost for me.
Need a specific example. Radio Classic, what have I select and configurate?

Where am I wrong?

mattkhan · « **Reply #33 on:** October 27, 2024, 02:53:52 am »

Depends on how JRiver is configured as to whether it goes out to the wdm device

Angelo58 · « **Reply #34 on:** October 27, 2024, 03:27:25 am »

First I open audio setting of windows 11 and make JRiver Angelo Scozzarella default audio device
Then i open Options of JRiver and what selecting?
I try Benq, But the audio is correct bath not in the JRiver path audio

mattkhan · « **Reply #35 on:** October 27, 2024, 04:20:31 am »

actually sorry, jriver audio output should go to whatever your actual output device is, enable wdm and then that device should be set as the default audio device in windows, playback from a browser should automatically route to that device and then the WDM driver will activate to route it through jriver and out to your audio device.

if that isn't happening, it would suggest some other device is taking browser playback, you'd likely need to look in windows sound settings view to see where it's going

Angelo58 · « **Reply #36 on:** October 27, 2024, 04:34:25 am »

Thank you again.
My System Default Audio Device is JRiver
In JRiver Options Audio what Have I selecting?
Not JRiver, Angelo Scozzarella I read on wiki jriver, but for example my Monitor audio output, Benq?
When I play from browser the sound doesn’t pass through JRiver Audio Path.

mattkhan · « **Reply #37 on:** October 27, 2024, 05:03:50 am »

If it's not even entering jriver then it doesn't matter what the output is, you need to work out where the browser is playing to first. When you play something, what does the windows sound setting show?

Angelo58 · « **Reply #38 on:** October 27, 2024, 05:24:04 am »

When I Play from Edge browser, JRiver Media Center Device moves

mattkhan · « **Reply #39 on:** October 27, 2024, 05:33:28 am »

Do you have multiple zones?

Angelo58 · « **Reply #40 on:** October 27, 2024, 05:37:17 am »

I don't know. Where can I control my zones?

mattkhan · « **Reply #41 on:** October 27, 2024, 05:55:25 am »

Under the playing now section of the tree

Angelo58 · « **Reply #42 on:** October 27, 2024, 06:18:43 am »

Awesome Donkey · « **Reply #43 on:** October 27, 2024, 06:22:53 am »

Player, the LG TV and MS120 are each zones.

Angelo58 · « **Reply #44 on:** October 27, 2024, 07:37:31 am »

It’s very difficult finding a solution.

JimH · « **Reply #45 on:** October 27, 2024, 09:27:36 am »

Click on a zone and you'll see the top of MC change. It means that is now the active zone. Then start playback. Test a local file first.

mattkhan · « **Reply #46 on:** October 27, 2024, 10:53:35 am »

Use of the wdm driver is explained in https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/WDM_Driver

This covers how to use zone switch to ensure wdm playback is handled by a particular zone

Angelo58 · « **Reply #47 on:** October 27, 2024, 12:12:07 pm »

To enable it go to Options-->General-->Features and check WDM Driver. Then restart Media Center and the driver will install.
Once the driver is installed, go to the windows control panel, and then to the Sound menu item. You should see all of the Audio devices on your system listed. Select the one labelled JRiver Media Center and click the Set Default button at the bottom of the menu as shown to the right.

Done.

In MC I go under Streaming Radio Swiss and play, but nothing

Angelo58 · « **Reply #48 on:** October 27, 2024, 12:13:39 pm »

lpc opening forever

mattkhan · « **Reply #49 on:** October 27, 2024, 12:17:15 pm »

What is the output device?

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