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curiousMonkey

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New PC or faster GPU?
« on: January 10, 2024, 08:15:49 am »

I am currently gettting reasonable performance from my Intel core i3 4130 CPU with 16GB RAM and an NVidia GTX 1650 LP video card. However I noticed that when I stream a 4K movie, CPU utilization is around 100% and the system struggles to do anything else.

Should I rebuild my PC with something like an Intel Core i5 14600K or just upgrade the video card to the RTX 4060 LP? I am not sure that my current 380W power supply can handle that card so a  complete system update may be easier although more expensive.
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Re: New PC or faster GPU?
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2024, 11:51:55 am »

If it's consuming that many CPU resources for streaming it sounds like your hardware acceleration is broken or disabled. If that doesn't fix it, your CPU is quite old and bottlenecking so that would be the first thing I'd upgrade, but there's no reason why you would need a 14600K either, that would be overkill. Something like an i3-12100 would quadruple your CPU performance in about the same TDP for $100 or so (plus mobo & RAM).
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Re: New PC or faster GPU?
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2024, 07:05:45 am »

I was in a similar situation and bought a NUC 13 to replace the HTPC. I don't ask for much in terms of video processing and the NUC is working well. Upgrading your MB and using onboard graphics might be a step up.
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Re: New PC or faster GPU?
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2024, 02:19:36 pm »

Along these lines, my NUC has Intel UAD graphics 630. I think itís not a discrete graphics processor. I talked to the computer specialist who sold it to me. He thinks it should do the job but the picture sucks. Sound is good. I have it hooked up using Display Port as Iíve heard that might be better but it isnít better..
There are many settings that Iíve played with. The PC, JRiver and the monitor all have their own settings.
Question is does the PC need a small form discrete card? I could go there but want to cover all my bases first.Youíre my only hope Obi Wan Kanobi.
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Re: New PC or faster GPU?
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2024, 03:47:59 pm »

Along these lines, my NUC has Intel UAD graphics 630. I think itís not a discrete graphics processor. I talked to the computer specialist who sold it to me. He thinks it should do the job but the picture sucks. Sound is good. I have it hooked up using Display Port as Iíve heard that might be better but it isnít better..
There are many settings that Iíve played with. The PC, JRiver and the monitor all have their own settings.
Question is does the PC need a small form discrete card? I could go there but want to cover all my bases first.Youíre my only hope Obi Wan Kanobi.

"Picture sucks".... you're gonna have to expand on that one.
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Re: New PC or faster GPU?
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2024, 06:22:43 pm »

Picture is distorted. Grainy. Viewable but not what we, you or I, would consider viewable.
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Re: New PC or faster GPU?
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2024, 11:59:49 pm »

One video or all videos?

Only 4K?

Google "HDCP".  I don't think it's weak hardware causing the problem.

If it is an HDCP issue, the fix could be as simple as using a newer/better HDMI cable.

Antivirus?
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Re: New PC or faster GPU?
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2024, 10:40:12 am »

Also check the colorspace, Intel usually defaults to YCbCr when you probably want RGB.
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Re: New PC or faster GPU?
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2024, 06:27:11 am »

For my situation, JimH asked me to look at handshake issues with my monitor and my NUC desktop. He was spot on. Turns out I have an audio video converter/extractor that splits the HDMI signal and sends audio to an analog output which I send to my multi channel amplifier. Then the video signal goes on to the monitor. Hereís where the issue occurred. Solving it was simple enough, send HDMI output directly to the monitor there by removing the converter from the video path. And audio via Display Port out to the converter for the multi channel audio as before.
Thanks Jim. Iím impressed by your ability to point me in the right direction so concisely. Iíve had handshake issues before but I didnít recognize this one as such. . You rock.
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Re: New PC or faster GPU?
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2024, 08:00:21 am »

You're welcome. Thanks for reporting the solution.
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Re: New PC or faster GPU?
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2024, 05:21:00 pm »

My issue was related to using a VNC login to the HTPC. When I took a closer look at Task Manager, I saw that the VNC consumed about 50% of the CPU. During 4k video playback without the VNC, Media Center uses about 13% of the CPU and the network traffic for the file is another 20-22%.
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Re: New PC or faster GPU?
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2024, 08:01:19 am »

I ended up purchasing a Minisforum UM790 Pro for $500 and then added 32GB of RAM and a WD SN770 SSD for another $150. It gets a JRiver benchmark score over 9000 (about 3x my other system) and renders 4K video frames in between 7 and 10ms, which is about 2-3 ms faster than my other system.

It has 2.5Gb Ethernet ports which are nice, but I just ran a 10Gbe optical cable to my theater room so I would prefer something with SFP+ connections. So I may just keep the UM790 on my desk next to my M1 Mac Mini.
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Re: New PC or faster GPU?
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2024, 01:22:02 pm »

I have a UM 790-PRO in my bedroom as the HTPC; I really like it. Not sure if you saw it but Minisforum has a new pc https://store.minisforum.com/products/minisforum-ms-01 that has two 10GbE SFP ports. I think that it might also be possible to convert one of the USB 4 connections to 10GbE but not sure about to optical.

In case it helps,

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Re: New PC or faster GPU?
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2024, 03:23:37 pm »

I ended up purchasing a Minisforum UM790 Pro for $500 and then added 32GB of RAM and a WD SN770 SSD for another $150. It gets a JRiver benchmark score over 9000 (about 3x my other system) and renders 4K video frames in between 7 and 10ms, which is about 2-3 ms faster than my other system.

It has 2.5Gb Ethernet ports which are nice, but I just ran a 10Gbe optical cable to my theater room so I would prefer something with SFP+ connections. So I may just keep the UM790 on my desk next to my M1 Mac Mini.

If you need SFP, there's a minisforum linked that has it. There's also Fitlet which may have a SKU / config that fits your requirements
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Re: New PC or faster GPU?
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2024, 08:09:31 am »

If you need SFP, there's a minisforum linked that has it. There's also Fitlet which may have a SKU / config that fits your requirements

Yes, I  saw the MS-01. But I was disappointed that they appeared to have downgraded the GPU performance since it has an Intel processor. It will be interesting to read the reviews when it is released in a month or two.
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Re: New PC or faster GPU?
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2024, 10:30:02 pm »

I purchased the MS-01 with base Intel i5-12600H processor. While the benchmark score was not quite up to the UM790, it was still quite respectable. I posted the results in the benchmark thread here: https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,54396.400.html.

It allowed me to get rid of my noisy HTPC at the expense of a few internal LEDs that I can't cover with black tape. I particularly liked the cost (less than $600) even when I added my own RAM and SSD. Bypassing a gaming GPU provides quite a cost reduction.
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Re: New PC or faster GPU?
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2024, 01:57:22 pm »

I purchased the MS-01 with base Intel i5-12600H processor. While the benchmark score was not quite up to the UM790, it was still quite respectable. I posted the results in the benchmark thread here: https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,54396.400.html.

It allowed me to get rid of my noisy HTPC at the expense of a few internal LEDs that I can't cover with black tape. I particularly liked the cost (less than $600) even when I added my own RAM and SSD. Bypassing a gaming GPU provides quite a cost reduction.

The MS-01 is really well liked. Glad it's working out for you.
I was really hoping Pallit or someone would make an RTX A4000 with a fat passive heatsink but it seems unlikely (not that the resulting monster would fit in most SFF chassis). VERY good performance on those little things, like shockingly good.
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