Topic: DLNA Boxes (Read 61878 times)

JimH · « **on:** December 25, 2009, 08:15:01 am »

The name for this type of device isn't clear, but the device functions is similar to a Set Top Box for cable TV. Here are the characteristics:

1. It "feeds" a TV or receiver with audio, video, and pictures. This connection can be made with an HDMI cable (preferred), composite, component, optical, etc. This connection is just like any other A/V device (DVD player, for example).

2. It connects to the network. This can be wired, wireless, etc.

3. It supports DLNA (but some UPnP devices will also work).

3a. It must be more than a DLNA Server. It must also be a Renderer, meaning it can "play", and not just "serve" files. Some "media servers" support DLNA, but do not support the renderer feature. They are useful but don't belong in this category.

JimH · « **Reply #1 on:** December 25, 2009, 08:16:50 am »

The Western Digital TV Live is a DLNA Box. It retails for just over $100. Known to work with MC.

DarkPenguin · « **Reply #2 on:** December 25, 2009, 01:56:10 pm »

Any word on the LG Network Blu-ray Disc Player BD370?

(My HTPC went belly up.)

JimH · « **Reply #3 on:** December 25, 2009, 03:13:34 pm »

No idea, but it looks promising. Do reviews say whether the DLNA works?

I added a link to Amazon, where they sell it for $150.

JimH · « **Reply #4 on:** December 26, 2009, 06:05:50 pm »

Best Buy also has the LG BD370 for $149, at the same price as Amazon.

JimH · « **Reply #5 on:** December 27, 2009, 05:15:15 pm »

I tried a Sony BDp-S560 Blu-ray player today. MC doesn't see it. Something about "Connection Manager". I tried generic and PS3 settings for the UPnP Server.

WinoOutWest · « **Reply #6 on:** December 28, 2009, 01:09:58 pm »

Quote from: JimH on December 25, 2009, 08:16:50 am

The Western Digital TV Live is a DLNA Box. It retails for just over $100. Known to work with MC.

Can this box "sync" to a zone from MC? I presume not but it should would be cool if it did. I would mainly be interested in syncing the current music zone.

JimH · « **Reply #7 on:** December 28, 2009, 01:42:18 pm »

Quote from: WinoOutWest on December 28, 2009, 01:09:58 pm

Can this box "sync" to a zone from MC? I presume not but it should would be cool if it did. I would mainly be interested in syncing the current music zone.

The box appears as a zone inside Playing Now in MC. You can then play any audio content that your UPnP server exposes.

WinoOutWest · « **Reply #8 on:** December 28, 2009, 02:08:58 pm »

Quote from: JimH on December 28, 2009, 01:42:18 pm

The box appears as a zone inside Playing Now in MC. You can then play any audio content that your UPnP server exposes.

hmmm.. I already ordered one just based on its ability to play HD video - I may end up with more than I bargained for. Looking forward to getting my hands in this now.

JimH · « **Reply #9 on:** December 30, 2009, 07:53:09 am »

DenS reports that the LG BD-390 Blu-Ray player works with MC 14.0.118.

fitbrit · « **Reply #10 on:** December 30, 2009, 09:33:31 am »

.. moved to the WDTV Live thread.

Grumpy · « **Reply #11 on:** December 30, 2009, 10:01:37 am »

The DLink-520 and also the Onkyo TX-NR807 work.

fitbrit · « **Reply #12 on:** December 30, 2009, 10:18:17 am »

Quote from: Grumpy on December 30, 2009, 10:01:37 am

The DLink-520's and also the Onyko TX-NR807 works.

Does the Onkyo work for videos too?
I see a TX-NR1007 in my short term future. It'd be cool to not have to switch on the HTPC for music only.

DarkPenguin · « **Reply #13 on:** December 30, 2009, 04:45:49 pm »

Quote from: JimH on December 30, 2009, 07:53:09 am

DenS reports that the LG BD-390 Blu-Ray player works with MC 14.0.118.

That's the one I want to get. Just needs to drop $50 and I'll go for it. (My HTPC sputtered back to life with a replacement power supply so this isn't as urgent.)

newsposter · « **Reply #14 on:** December 30, 2009, 09:44:33 pm »

Crutchfield has the TX-NR1007 on sale for less than $1200- ($500- off).

fitbrit · « **Reply #15 on:** December 31, 2009, 12:10:07 am »

Quote from: newsposter on December 30, 2009, 09:44:33 pm

Crutchfield has the TX-NR1007 on sale for less than $1200- ($500- off).

Thanks! Newegg.com and Amazon also have great deals. Alas, none ship to Canada, and the cheapest price here is $1588!

newsposter · « **Reply #16 on:** December 31, 2009, 09:20:32 am »

Well, if you live in a border city, you know the 'import trick' so many use...........

WinoOutWest · « **Reply #17 on:** December 31, 2009, 09:43:34 am »

Quote from: fitbrit on December 31, 2009, 12:10:07 am

Thanks! Newegg.com and Amazon also have great deals. Alas, none ship to Canada, and the cheapest price here is $1588!

There's newegg.ca.

I live 10 minutes from the border so I order most of my stuff from the US and have it shipped to a US address.

fitbrit · « **Reply #18 on:** December 31, 2009, 10:09:18 am »

Quote from: WinoOutWest on December 31, 2009, 09:43:34 am

There's newegg.ca.

I live 10 minutes from the border so I order most of my stuff from the US and have it shipped to a US address.

The reason I mentioned Newegg.com specifically is that there are many items that newegg.ca doesn't sell, which its US counterpart does. I live about 40 minutes from the border. My in-laws are American, so they often drive stuff up from NYC. However, the MIL has just moved to be near us in Montreal, and the FIL is currently in Florida. I'm in no rush right now, but I think I will probably drive down and pick one up at some point.
We just bought a downtown Montreal house, and spending ~$40K on renovations (including getting it wired up with in-wall speakers, 2x gigabit in every room etc.) so $1K+ that I can avoid spending for a few weeks is okay by me.
I can't wait to have my 9.2 media room, the 7.1 dining/living room and the 7.1 gym/basement, all running MC or DLNA boxes driven by MC!

fitbrit · « **Reply #19 on:** December 31, 2009, 10:11:09 am »

Quote from: newsposter on December 31, 2009, 09:20:32 am

Well, if you live in a border city, you know the 'import trick' so many use...........

Not quite sure what you mean, but if it's a simple case of going down across the border, buying one and bringing it back - paying duties etc. along the way- I think I'd still save close to $400.
Can you elaborate if you had somehting else in mind?

newsposter · « **Reply #20 on:** December 31, 2009, 01:17:20 pm »

I have a lot of friends in Hongcouver who have PO boxes in Blaine, WA. Same thing in Kingston and Ottawa. Both Watertown and Ogdensburg (NY) do a decent business renting out PO boxes to folks living north of the border.

You're in Montreal? Neat! I did an exchange year at McGill (late 1970s) and am still recovering from the nightlife.

I suppose from Montreal the closest place to get a PO Box would be in Plattsburgh.

fitbrit · « **Reply #21 on:** January 01, 2010, 11:19:13 am »

Quote from: newsposter on December 31, 2009, 01:17:20 pm

I have a lot of friends in Hongcouver who have PO boxes in Blaine, WA. Same thing in Kingston and Ottawa. Both Watertown and Ogdensburg (NY) do a decent business renting out PO boxes to folks living north of the border.

You're in Montreal? Neat! I did an exchange year at McGill (late 1970s) and am still recovering from the nightlife.

I suppose from Montreal the closest place to get a PO Box would be in Plattsburgh.

Thanks for the tips. I know some online retailers won't ship to PO boxes, but I can do some research.

Montreal is an amazing city - moved here from England. Never going back! I'm the Neuroscience Graduate Program Administrator at McGill, and last night I was at a great grad student party.

InsaneRC · « **Reply #22 on:** January 08, 2010, 11:09:34 pm »

The Popcorn Hour C-200 works

zuiko · « **Reply #23 on:** January 09, 2010, 08:38:09 am »

The LG BD370 does not support DLNA as far as I can tell. I have one. It supports streaming from three hardcoded sources (Netflix, CinemaNow, and YouTube) and that is it. I also have an Xbox 360 and that works with DLNA but disappointingly it does not play DVD video (VOBs and IFOs). If I get the right box will that work over DLNA or will I have to encode them (and lose DVD menu functionality, chapters, etc in the process)?

Edit: Looks like the BD390 is supposed to support it, but it is about twice the price of the BD370.

JimH · « **Reply #24 on:** January 26, 2010, 06:32:32 am »

User giamma reported that the Onkyo HT180 receiver worked with 14.0.131.

pilp01a · « **Reply #25 on:** January 31, 2010, 07:42:18 pm »

Quote from: InsaneRC on January 08, 2010, 11:09:34 pm

The Popcorn Hour C-200 works

I tried to set my Popcorn Hour C200 as a DLNA Renderer and MC as a DLNA controller.
I can see my Popcorn Hour in Paying Now. So I drag a file on it in order to play it.
It reads the first 5 sec of the file in a loop with no sound.

Is Popcorn Hour C200 really DLNA compatible?
I posted a message in their forum asking the same question.

Thank you in advance for your feedback.

JimH · « **Reply #26 on:** January 31, 2010, 07:53:55 pm »

Quote from: Philou on January 31, 2010, 07:42:18 pm

I tried to set my Popcorn Hour C200 as a DLNA Renderer and MC as a DLNA controller.
I can see my Popcorn Hour in Paying Now. So I drag a file on it in order to play it.
It reads the first 5 sec of the file in a loop with no sound.

Is Popcorn Hour C200 really DLNA compatible?
I posted a message in their forum asking the same question.

Thank you in advance for your feedback.

Which build of MC?

Is their firmware up to date?

InsaneRC · « **Reply #27 on:** February 01, 2010, 08:14:50 am »

With the October or September firmware on the Popcorn Hour and the latest version of MC14 I can view and watch everything from my Mediacenter PC to the Popcorn Hour.

My DLNA Settings are:
Audio
- Conversion: Convert Unsupported Formates
- Encoder: MP3

Images
- Support image content

Video
- Support video content

Advanced
- DLNA
- Omit host portion of URL (not sure if this is needed but I have it checked and it works so,,,)

And thats all I can play all my videos. Flac won't stream but with it converting no problems

Hope this helps you

Garry

JimH · « **Reply #28 on:** February 01, 2010, 08:29:07 am »

Thanks for the report.

JimH · « **Reply #29 on:** February 01, 2010, 02:12:27 pm »

Stubbo reported that the Philips Streamium SLA5520 works.
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=55720.msg379921#msg379921

It seems to have been available only in Europe and may no longer be made.

pilp01a · « **Reply #30 on:** February 01, 2010, 05:55:54 pm »

Quote from: JimH on January 31, 2010, 07:53:55 pm

Which build of MC?

Is their firmware up to date?

My build is 130.
DLNA settings are on for Controller, Renderer and Server

As for the firmware, I haven't updated it to the last one (available for 2 days now).
Here are the changelog regarding UPnP AV ...
"9. UPnP AV
   - Resolved photo pause-next will hang the system
   - support mp2v m4a mp4 m4v.
   - Resolved PlayOn "no content found" problem
   - Fixed URL with parameters cannot find extension"

Jim, would it be possible to use the playback functionnality of my Popcorn device (renderer) and controlling with MC on my laptop (Controller)?
Is there any other way to do what I want?

JimH · « **Reply #31 on:** February 01, 2010, 06:19:03 pm »

Build 136 is at the top of the MC14 board. Please try it.

If it doesn't work, try updating the firmware.

Mike Noe · « **Reply #32 on:** February 02, 2010, 02:48:57 pm »

Add the Onkyo TX-NR905 to the list (firmware 1.08) as a supported "box". Here are my MC14/DLNA settings:

MC set up as "Server"

Conversion
-MP3

Advanced
-DLNA checked
-Include Session ID checked
-Omit host portion....checked
-Replace Empty Genre checked

JimH · « **Reply #33 on:** February 02, 2010, 03:07:38 pm »

Quote from: Mike Noe on February 02, 2010, 02:48:57 pm

Add the Onkyo TX-NR905 to the list (firmware 1.08) as a supported "box". Here are my MC14/DLNA settings:

MC set up as "Server"

Conversion
-MP3

Advanced
-DLNA checked
-Include Session ID checked
-Omit host portion....checked
-Replace Empty Genre checked

Thanks. Did you try "Generic DLNA" first, without any of the other options?

Mike Noe · « **Reply #34 on:** February 02, 2010, 04:20:03 pm »

Quote from: JimH on February 02, 2010, 03:07:38 pm

Thanks. Did you try "Generic DLNA" first, without any of the other options?

Yes, I did, and it appears the most important setting was "Omit Host portion...". If I checked this option, it didn't seem to matter much about the "DLNA" option, but if I unchecked it, then I would get "No Server" on the Onkyo.

JimH · « **Reply #35 on:** February 02, 2010, 04:23:38 pm »

Thank you.

JimH · « **Reply #36 on:** February 04, 2010, 01:52:39 pm »

Oppo BDP-83 reported to work on AVSForum.

pilp01a · « **Reply #37 on:** February 04, 2010, 03:26:25 pm »

Jim,

I don't manage to control my Popcorn Hour C200 with MC (build 137).
I have updated the firmaware of my Popcorn.

I can use MC as a DLNA server though. I can see and play all the playlist/smartlist I set up in MC on my PCH C200.

In brief, MC works well as a server but not as a controller.

I want to play (stream) my music which is on my laptop PC to the PCH C200 (DLNA renderer) with MC (DLNA controller).

Laptop (with MC) == Wifi ==> PCH C200 == Optical ==> Audio Receiver ==> Loudspeaker

I understand that this configuration is possible with DLNA technology. Could you please confirm. Thanks.

JimH · « **Reply #38 on:** February 04, 2010, 03:28:33 pm »

Quote from: Philou on February 04, 2010, 03:26:25 pm

I don't manage to control my Popcorn Hour C200 with MC (build 137).
I have updated the firmware of my Popcorn.

I can use MC as a DLNA server though. I can't see and play all the playlist/smartlist I set up in MC on my PCH C200.

In brief, MC works well as a server but not as a controller.

The PCH may lack the ability. Not all renderers can be controlled by other software. Can anything else control it?

pilp01a · « **Reply #39 on:** February 05, 2010, 05:20:41 pm »

The play-to (push music) functionality of Windows Media Player 12 is capable of controlling the Popcorn Hour C-200 according to a user in the NMT forum.
I'm still waiting for other users to reply to my post. I will let you know.

Does the play-to functionality of WMP 12 use the DLNA standard?

I'm still hoping to be able to use MC for controlling my Popcorn Hour as MC (MJ) has been my audio player/organiser/tagger of choice for more than 7 years now

rpalmer68 · « **Reply #40 on:** February 08, 2010, 03:45:23 pm »

So is there something in the specs of a device we should be looking for to tell us if is should be a DLNA device that MC can push music to?

I'm looking at one of these http://www.kogan.com.au/shop/kogan-wi-fi-digital-radio-ipod-docking-station/ I know it is uPnP so it can browse the library but there doesn't seem to be any mention of DLNA.

But then there is no mention of DLNA in the WD TV Live specs either or in the user manual but it supports it.

Is this very much hit and miss at the moment, or are there clues to indicate DLNA support?

Thanks
Richard

ja500001 · « **Reply #41 on:** February 09, 2010, 03:24:40 pm »

i just upgraded to window 7 and tried WMP12 against the popcorn hour c200 and it works well.

havn't had any joy with media center yet (build 140).

Wonder if WMP12 is doing something non-dnla specific as I heard that c200 is not actually dnla certified...

any ideas why media center can't control c200 rendering?

cheers, Jon

JimH · « **Reply #42 on:** February 09, 2010, 03:30:03 pm »

Did you set the options for DLNA on in MC?

http://wiki.jrmediacenter.com/index.php/DLNA

rpalmer68 · « **Reply #43 on:** February 09, 2010, 09:10:15 pm »

For anybody interested, there is a list of DLNA certified products.

http://www.dlna.org/products/

The radio I referenced in an earlier post uses the Venice 6.2 from Frontier (and so does the OXX digital radio) which is DLNA certified, so I'm hoping it will work with MC.

Richard

ja500001 · « **Reply #44 on:** February 10, 2010, 01:45:00 pm »

Hi Jim,

I can now get Popcorn hour to come up unde rplaying now, copying InsaneRC's DNLA suggested settings, however I am still not getting any audio out of the PCH - observing same behaviour as philou.

Quote

I tried to set my Popcorn Hour C200 as a DLNA Renderer and MC as a DLNA controller.
I can see my Popcorn Hour in Paying Now. So I drag a file on it in order to play it.
It reads the first 5 sec of the file in a loop with no sound.

any ideas?

WMP12 works a treat ;-)

JimH · « **Reply #45 on:** February 10, 2010, 02:06:02 pm »

Try converting to WAV or MP3 128Kbps.

Turn on all 3 DLNA options in MC (to test).

rpalmer68 · « **Reply #46 on:** February 10, 2010, 02:30:15 pm »

Quote from: JimH on February 10, 2010, 02:06:02 pm

Try converting to WAV or MP3 128Kbps.

Turn on all 3 DLNA options in MC (to test).

And restart MC after making the DLNA settings changes, I found I had to restart MC for changes to start working

JimH · « **Reply #47 on:** February 10, 2010, 02:39:33 pm »

Quote from: rpalmer68 on February 10, 2010, 02:30:15 pm

And restart MC after making the DLNA settings changes, I found I had to restart MC for changes to start working

That was true in earlier builds, but it shouldn't be necessary in build 140 or later.

rpalmer68 · « **Reply #48 on:** February 10, 2010, 02:54:26 pm »

Quote from: JimH on February 10, 2010, 02:39:33 pm

That was true in earlier builds, but it shouldn't be necessary in build 140 or later.

I had to do it with buid 140

ja500001 · « **Reply #49 on:** February 13, 2010, 03:24:01 pm »

Hi Jim - I tried the settings for encoding as you suggested and turn on all DNLA options, but I'm still only getting 5 seconds of balnk playback before the playback repeats once more into the 5 second silence loop. Tried sending file from local disk as well as my NAS (where majority of my audio files reside).

If I get some time I'll try capture some wiresharks - do a compare of WMP12 vs JRiver.

Jon

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