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Possible MC20 Features
« on: June 26, 2014, 06:55:49 am »

Play to Gizmo

Zone sync
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=83434.msg618293#msg618293

WDM driver   Done

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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2014, 06:36:51 pm »

DLNA Streaming (to get around lack of support for gapless playback)
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2014, 06:22:29 am »

DSP settings per track.   Done

Duplicate prevention, detection, and repair.  Commonly a drive letter change can cause it.

Consider making web page links to specific settings in the program.  (Click "DLNA Server Settings" to get there in MC.)
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2014, 06:38:01 am »

Improved transcoding/streaming of video - multichannel audio, flexible video profiles, GPU accelerated video encodingencoding

Video Quality presets for ROHQ
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2014, 06:21:32 am »

Better spectrum analyzer.  Better instrumentation for sound engineers?
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2014, 11:27:34 am »

Touch screen.  Scrolling in Standard View.   Done

Press and hold to magnify.
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2014, 10:08:56 am »

Unified setup for Theater View, Gizmo and JRemote.
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2014, 01:04:52 am »

Better handling of Internet radio stations.  You can do it now by saving them to a playlist, but it's awkward and hard to explain.
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2014, 02:39:38 pm »

Unified setup for Theater View, Gizmo and JRemote.

+1
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2014, 02:49:04 pm »

Better spectrum analyzer.  Better instrumentation for sound engineers?

+1, especially if that would include a graphical display/model of the effects of parametric equalizer filters.

Also very excited about zone syncing and the full roll out of the WDM driver.  

It looks like 20 is shaping up to be a blockbuster!
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2014, 03:23:02 pm »

DLNA "Auto" setting ...
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2014, 04:19:06 pm »

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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2014, 04:45:10 pm »

Video streaming (with automatic transcoding on the fly) to:

1. JRemote    Done

2. MC Clients over the WAN     Done

Also, Video for MC Mac.  Natch.   Done
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2014, 05:13:10 pm »

Playlist editing/deleting from library clients or while library clients are connected (at least fixing the current issues).

DATE_FIRST_RATED tag.   Done

Search history.   Done

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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2014, 05:22:15 pm »

Better handling of Folder.jpg in Album directories so if files are moved jpg goes with them.

+1 streaming to Gizmo

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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2014, 05:37:33 pm »

Intercom... for reals??

This thread was in the admin area for a while.  I kept my comments to myself until he made it public, and maybe jmone did too.  But when I saw that there, I couldn't believe he didn't have a small meltdown.
* glynor thinks they were messing with jmone.
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2014, 07:39:20 pm »

 8) jmone could have been messing with JimH.  8)
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2014, 08:12:46 pm »

8) jmone could have been messing with JimH.  8)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2014, 09:25:56 pm »

I really like most of the stuff in this thread (MC20 will be great edition) and I think a few of these can be grouped:

Remotes:
- Play to Gizmo as a Zone
- Link the Zones
- Unified Setup for Remotes
- Local File Playback
- Playback all media types available (eg Radio Streams, TV etc)

Core Enablers
- WDM Driver
- Improved Trandscoding/Streaming Video Profiles
- DLNA Auto Config
- Video Quality Presets / Auto Config

Front End Improvements
- Touch Screen
- Internet Radio Station Presentation
- Particle Mgt (final stuff to fix)


...and of course, once Gizmo is a Zone you could do 2 way comms with it!
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2014, 01:09:23 am »

Unified setup for Theater View, Gizmo and JRemote.

+1
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2014, 04:58:21 am »

Video streaming (with automatic transcoding on the fly) to:

1. JRemote
2. MC Clients over the WAN


2. is already possible today. You configure the encoding settings in the client, and then just play a video and it'll stream a transcoded version. I use it quite often when I'm at my parents, f.ex.

1. is supported in principal by MC19 today, just JRemote lacking support, maybe next release?!? :)
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2014, 07:25:46 am »

Don't forget the poor lost particle!!  It still needs some love too ......

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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2014, 10:21:35 am »

2. is already possible today. You configure the encoding settings in the client, and then just play a video and it'll stream a transcoded version. I use it quite often when I'm at my parents, f.ex.

I hadn't tried it in a while.  Previously, it was pretty touchy and poorly performing with a bunch of my sources.  I will though!  That's exactly what I want... For traveling.  Not to have to bring an external drive with my laptop.

1. is supported in principal by MC19 today, just JRemote lacking support, maybe next release?!? :)

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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2014, 10:42:25 am »

'Images' improvements: http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=81978.0

+1 on improvements to image managements in general.

Viewing / editing images from one library while playing music from another library would make MC my choice for image management..

I put a lot of effort into ripping CDs and getting the tags as I want them. (Mostly classical music and other genres where composer info is very important.)  Music goes into my permanent library and stays.  Images come in, go through a winnowing process and the remaining ones go through a further selecting process.  The last thing I want to do is to mix music files and images in one library.  As it stands, using MC for image management and music requires some really awkward kludges for me.

MC's facilities for tagging images and for using those tags in views are first rate.  I haven't found anything better.
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2014, 11:10:57 am »

Something like panes views for tablets via Gizmo / webGizmo. 

Panes views on a PC screen are my tool for seeing what's in my music library.  MC remembers what's there so I don't have to.  I find that a one-field-at-a-time category view feels like tunnel vision and just doesn't work to show me what's in my library.  Being able to see lists of values for several fields as I make selections is the key advantage of panes views for me.

Over time, I expect to use a tablet more and a PC less as my UI portal to MC.  I want to retain that ability to see what's in my library when I'm using a tablet for browsing my library.

I understand the size limitations of a 7" or 9" screen but I think that it would be possible to adapt the concept of panes views to a tablet screen.  Drop down lists are a possibility.  The way that right-click context menus are placed depending on the location of the item right-clicked goes a clue about techniques for small screens too.

Making a panes-like view workable on a phone sized screen would be a greater challenge.  (A 6" phablet screen might be usable though.) I'd suggest that JRiver focus on panes views for tablets initially
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2014, 12:16:45 pm »

I've been thinking about a nifty feature of Marco Arment's new podcatcher for iOS.  Basically, he's combined traditional manual Playlists (where they can be manually re-ordered) and Smartlists.

Of course, it works better in the context of a podcatcher, because the smarts of the smartlists mainly relate to priorities and sort-order.  But still, it made me think.

One thing that would be nice, and simple:

Right now, if you try to drag-drop on a Smartlist, you just get the Anti-Sign.  What if it let you do it, and just converted it "behind the scenes" to a duplicate manual list (perhaps called "<Smartlist Name> (Re-ordered)" or something)?  Preserving the original Smartlist, of course, but letting you reorder them on the fly and save them.

Kinda like how when you send a Smartlist to Playing Now, it can (with some clicks) "become" a manual Playlist.  Simplify all that, and just let you re-order them.

What do you think?
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2014, 01:56:06 pm »

Allow adding tracks to playlists from Theater View.
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2014, 07:30:28 pm »

Stream live TV to Gizmo.
Gizmo as full second screen experience when watching video on main TV - Cover art, meta data etc. (Same as screen I get when I click "OK" on a show in the guide).
Schedule TV recording from Gizmo.

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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2014, 12:58:01 am »

Video playback on Linux  8)  :-*   Done
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2014, 07:19:10 am »

Further to my above comments -

Theater View mode for Gizmo. Literally a small screen version of theater view on my tablet or phone, as per attached files. Text could be scaled larger to be more finger friendly on a mobile device, but you get the picture.

If Gizmo is set to play to the device, the "Watch" or "Play" command would go to a screen similar to current (or open the video). If it's set to play to a different zone, the "Watch" or "Play" text toggles to "Watching" or "Playing".

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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2014, 07:19:24 am »

Virtual Sound Card
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2014, 07:26:07 am »

Video playback on Linux  8)  :-*

This. I know it's coming, but this :-)

Finally let me do away with Windows on my HTPC :-)

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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2014, 07:40:18 am »

One other feature that has been suggested once or twice that would be cool is to record with MC, for instance to do vinyl rips.
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2014, 11:56:41 am »

How about an updated Tag Action Window with in-place, collapsible list field editing.     Done

Shouldn't take long to implement.  ;D
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2014, 11:12:18 pm »

I don't know if you were looking for little features or big features, but here's one I've wanted (and gotten a bunch of +1s on before) for a good, long while.  It is a little thing, really (no comment on the PITA level because who knows):

Allow us to Control-Click in the Panes to multi-select (ala List Type Fields) on any string-type field, and then just write the results to the field semicolon-delimited.

[Artist] and [Genre] are special, as you know.  This is good, because it makes it easy to re-tag an improper [Genre] and [Artist] as needed, while still allowing people to use Multiple Genres and Artists as wanted, without messing up Tagging for the more common case.  But, it is annoying when you DO want to edit these fields to include multiple Genres or Artists, of course.  This would be a simple and intuitive compromise.  (In fact, I know I accidentally do it over and over expecting it to work, and I think in previous threads, others did too.)

You can even make the regular List-Type fields work the opposite way, clearing previous contents if you control-click in the panes, if you don't think that'd be confusing (but it might be).
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2014, 02:04:35 am »

Better itunes import.
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2014, 05:13:34 am »

Play to Gizmo

Please expand on what this means for me please. I can play up to 320kbps audio and 720p / 5.0Mbps video to Gizmo right now. For audio, I'd like the option of 16bit PCM or something similar that's effectively lossless.

I'd also be over the moon if Gizmo could play as a stand-alone device on my Android phone. I'd happily ditch the player app that I have on there now.
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2014, 05:14:24 am »

You can play from Gizmo, but not to Gizmo... :)
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2014, 05:27:30 am »

You can play from Gizmo, but not to Gizmo... :)

Sorry for being dense but the way I look at it is the Gizmo currently streams (or pulls) media from the PC with MC loaded and plays locally to the device upon which the Gizmo app is loaded. So, that it appears to me that MC is playing to Gizmo. The other mode for Gizmo (at the moment) is that it controls where MC plays media to in terms of the zones that have been setup on the machine loaded with MC.

Is the idea to stream media to Gizmo and play it on the device, so that from MC media is pushed to Gizmo?
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2014, 06:41:23 am »

Is the small nagging issues category:

I would LOVE it if updated album art was refreshed during playback. Getting instant satisfaction out of replacing crappy or missing album art would be incredibly...satisfying.
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2014, 06:43:41 am »

Intercom

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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2014, 08:59:04 am »

Something that I would like to see, that a few other users have also expressed interest in (I think both natehansen66 and TheLion expressed interest, among others): I'd like PEQ to offer a few additional common crossover filter slopes as options for low-pass and high-pass, such as Linkwitz-Riley and Bessel, and maybe some of the exotics as well (Neville-Thiele or Horbach-Keele).  But I think having built in Linkwitz-Riley and Bessel filters would be my priority.

We can create Linkwitz-Rileys right now by staggering two of the existing butterworth filters, but there's no way to create any of the other filters.

And, even though we have a workaround for Linkwitz-Riley filters, it would be nice to have them directly integrated, primarily because they are more likely to produce a good experience for the end user than a butterworth: they work better "out of the box" than butterworth filters because they tend to sum flat at the crossover point, unlike butterworths which tend to introduce a 3dB lump at the crossover point.  That's one reason why "crossover in a box" type products for pro audio tend to use 4th order Linkwitz Rileys if they only offer one filter choice.

See this post for more details about why I think a Linkwitz-Riley option might be good, and might be a better default for room correction bass redirection filters: http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=88345.msg605777#msg605777

And here's a graph from the wiki illustrating the issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Linkwitz_vs_Butterworth.svg
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2014, 09:24:32 am »

Something that I would like to see, that a few other users have also expressed interest in (I think both natehansen66 and TheLion expressed interest, among others): I'd like PEQ to offer a few additional common crossover filter slopes as options for low-pass and high-pass, such as Linkwitz-Riley and Bessel, and maybe some of the exotics as well (Neville-Thiele or Horbach-Keele).  But I think having built in Linkwitz-Riley and Bessel filters would be my priority.

We can create Linkwitz-Rileys right now by staggering two of the existing butterworth filters, but there's no way to create any of the other filters.

And, even though we have a workaround for Linkwitz-Riley filters, it would be nice to have them directly integrated, primarily because they are more likely to produce a good experience for the end user than a butterworth: they work better "out of the box" than butterworth filters because they tend to sum flat at the crossover point, unlike butterworths which tend to introduce a 3dB lump at the crossover point.  That's one reason why "crossover in a box" type products for pro audio tend to use 4th order Linkwitz Rileys if they only offer one filter choice.

See this post for more details about why I think a Linkwitz-Riley option might be good, and might be a better default for room correction bass redirection filters: http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=88345.msg605777#msg605777

And here's a graph from the wiki illustrating the issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Linkwitz_vs_Butterworth.svg

I strongly second that. It is not just for the Digital XO crowd (which is arguably just a minor niche market), but also relevant for pretty much anybody who uses JRiver for bass management/(multiple) subwoofer integration. It would be a killer feature to provide the various filter types as mentioned by mwillems and also give the option of minimum and linear phase XO filter.
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #43 on: July 29, 2014, 09:27:38 am »

Sorry for being dense

We're not concerend with data flow, since thats always going to be the same direction (from MC to its remote peers).

Think control flow. Right now you always have to control in Gizmo for audio to come out of your phone. You play from Gizmo.
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #44 on: July 29, 2014, 09:42:26 am »

Improved transcoding/streaming of video - multichannel audio, flexible video profiles, GPU accelerated video encodingencoding

Video Quality presets for ROHQ

Not sure what you have in mind, but my laptop is a 1366 x 768 screen, but I sometimes push video to a 1920 x 1080 screen.  converting a native 1080p video to my laptop resolution is too much for madVR to do without dropping frames, but would be no problem to push that to it's native resolution on the TV.  If MC could be smart enough to 'know' this, and compensate, that would be great.

Unified setup for Theater View, Gizmo and JRemote.

Oh yes, pretty please!

DLNA "Auto" setting ...

This may be the same as I described above, or at least related.  Either way, "auto" settings for video/streaming would be most welcome.

Better handling of Folder.jpg in Album directories so if files are moved jpg goes with them.

yes, and also, please allow more than one jpg for an album, so we can have front, back, liner notes, etc, and have them scroll thru while viewing artwork during playback.

Video playback on Linux  8)  :-*

Oh yes, so very much yes, please! :)

Lack of video on Linux is the only reason I have to install windows on my HTPC.

As for a couple 'niggling' things I'd like to see improved...

This message should be moved and improved

Detached view could use some love...
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #45 on: July 29, 2014, 09:52:39 am »

Matt mentioned his interest of an "integrated auto EQ" solution some months ago. I would consider this a very nice addition.

Jim, Matt: I sent you a PM regarding this proposal
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #46 on: July 29, 2014, 03:56:56 pm »

We're not concerend with data flow, since thats always going to be the same direction (from MC to its remote peers).

Think control flow. Right now you always have to control in Gizmo for audio to come out of your phone. You play from Gizmo.

OK - thanks. So what audio format will this work to? Will streaming 16bit or 24bit PCM be an option?
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #47 on: July 29, 2014, 06:59:38 pm »

Did I mention what an outstanding visionary JimH is?  ;D

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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #48 on: July 29, 2014, 09:44:42 pm »

I would like the ability to "group" within groups, each group collapsible within a title bar.  For example, group by artist, then by album. Or group by Series, then by season.

Oh, and Particles . . .
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Re: Possible MC20 Features
« Reply #49 on: July 29, 2014, 09:45:30 pm »

Johnny Carson, loved his show.

the tonight show went down hill after he left.
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