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RD James

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Small Title Case Error, and a Request
« on: January 24, 2017, 07:32:36 am »
When cleaning file properties on some tracks, I noticed that a 'the' after an exclamation mark is being made lower-case instead of upper-case.
 
And something I notice that I always end up fixing manually: could there be an option to clean up periods too?
Three or more should be replaced with a single ellipsis character: …
Sometimes this is formatted as '....' or '. . .' so spaces need to be accounted for.
I'm not sure if two should be cleaned up as a single period or expanded to an ellipsis.
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Re: Small Title Case Error, and a Request
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2017, 07:37:39 am »
I just cleaned:
"Dancing Queen (Live) !the Hits"

And it became:
"Dancing Queen (Live) !The Hits"

That was in "Title Case" cleaning mode.
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Re: Small Title Case Error, and a Request
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2017, 07:39:34 am »
"Dancing Queen Live! The Hits"

Is changed to:

"Dancing Queen Live! the Hits"
 
I guess it's an interaction between the spacing or the brackets in your example.
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Re: Small Title Case Error, and a Request
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2017, 07:49:11 am »
Quote from: RD James on January 24, 2017, 07:39:34 am
"Dancing Queen Live! The Hits"

Is changed to:

"Dancing Queen Live! the Hits"
 
I guess it's an interaction between the spacing or the brackets in your example.

Well in that case the isn't capitalized because we're using "Title case" and that doesn't capitalize articles.
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Re: Small Title Case Error, and a Request
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2017, 07:50:58 am »
Quote from: Matt on January 24, 2017, 07:49:11 am
Well in that case the isn't capitalized because we're using "Title case" and that doesn't capitalize articles.
An exclamation mark is the end of a sentence.
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Re: Small Title Case Error, and a Request
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2017, 07:54:21 am »
Quote from: RD James on January 24, 2017, 07:50:58 am
An exclamation mark is the end of a sentence.

I'm not sure I'm following.

I just tried putting an exclamation at the end and it worked fine:
"Dancing Queen will you capitalize!"

Became:
"Dancing Queen Will You Capitalize!"
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Re: Small Title Case Error, and a Request
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2017, 08:05:42 am »
An exclamation mark is a period with emphasis.

"Dancing Queen Live. The Hits" or "Dancing Queen Live. the Hits"
Are changed to:
"Dancing Queen Live. The Hits"
Which is correct.
 
But:
"Dancing Queen Live! The Hits"
Is changing to:
"Dancing Queen Live! the Hits"
 
'The' should be capitalized in both titles.
'The' should only be made lower-case when it's in the middle of a sentence, not the start of a new one.
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Re: Small Title Case Error, and a Request
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2017, 08:18:38 am »
Quote from: RD James on January 24, 2017, 08:05:42 am
But:
"Dancing Queen Live! The Hits"
Is changing to:
"Dancing Queen Live! the Hits"
 
'The' should be capitalized in both titles.
'The' should only be made lower-case when it's in the middle of a sentence, not the start of a new one.

You're sure right.  Thanks for spelling this out.

It'll be fixed next build:
Fixed: Title case capitalization didn't correctly capitalize the word after an exclamation mark if it was an article.
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Re: Small Title Case Error, and a Request
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2017, 08:20:50 am »
Thanks.
Any thoughts on ellipses?
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Re: Small Title Case Error, and a Request
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2017, 08:22:52 am »
Quote from: RD James on January 24, 2017, 08:20:50 am
Thanks.
Any thoughts on ellipses?

You mean replacing three periods with a '…' character?

I'm not that excited by it because even three periods seems pretty good to me, but feedback welcome.
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Re: Small Title Case Error, and a Request
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2017, 08:30:53 am »
Well it would ideally cover '..' '...' '. . .' '....' '.....' and so on.
I really prefer using a proper ellipsis character in names, but I suppose I can just keep fixing it manually if there's not much interest in adding that.
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Re: Small Title Case Error, and a Request
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2017, 08:33:14 am »
Quote from: RD James on January 24, 2017, 08:30:53 am
Well it would ideally cover '..' '...' '. . .' '....' '.....' and so on.
I really prefer using a proper ellipsis character in names, but I suppose I can just keep fixing it manually if there's not much interest in adding that.

If you get three +1 votes, I'll sneak it in!
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Re: Small Title Case Error, and a Request
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2017, 09:11:54 am »
Quote from: Matt on January 24, 2017, 08:33:14 am
If you get three +1 votes, I'll sneak it in!

+1 from me! ;)
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Re: Small Title Case Error, and a Request
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2017, 09:23:27 am »
Alright, I snuck it in even though we didn't hit the vote threshold!

Coming next build:
NEW: Added the option 'Convert dots to the ellipsis character' for the tool Clean File Properties.
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Re: Small Title Case Error, and a Request
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2017, 11:34:54 am »
Awesome, thanks!
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Re: Small Title Case Error, and a Request
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2017, 01:03:55 pm »
Quote from: RD James on January 24, 2017, 11:34:54 am
Awesome, thanks!

I wasn't that sure what sets of characters to replace.

The only ones I have are "..." and ". . .".  If you have other sets, please share.

Thanks.
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Re: Small Title Case Error, and a Request
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2017, 03:28:09 pm »
I've already cleaned up most of my library manually as it was imported so I don't have a lot of examples.

The most common issues are: "..." and ". . ."
However it's also being used improperly; with leading spaces or no trailing space.

I have encountered:

"Example...Example"
"Example ... Example"
"Example. . .Example"
"Example. . . Example"
"Example . . .Example"
"Example . . . Example"

Which should all be:
"Example… Example"

 
And:
"...Example at the Beginning"
"... Example at the Beginning"
". . . Example at the Beginning"

Which should be:
"…Example at the Beginning"

The only examples I've found with more than three periods are just when a track ends in an ellipsis - though I'm sure I must have corrected tracks with four or more before.
I think there should also be a capital following an ellipsis in title case.
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Re: Small Title Case Error, and a Request
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2017, 05:18:16 pm »
You could use MC's Find and Replace to correct most of those.

I wasn't aware that there was supposed to be no space before an elipsis ... I've always used a space before and after.  Here's what Wikpedia says:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis

According to that article, the Chicago Manual of Style suggests a space before and after.
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Re: Small Title Case Error, and a Request
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2017, 05:19:28 pm »
I should add, that MC must be in pretty good shape now if we're talking about spaces in conjunction with ellipses.  ;)
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Re: Small Title Case Error, and a Request
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2017, 05:37:42 pm »
I'm very much not a fan of non-ascii characters.  If you turn my ascii into some kind of windows only encoding I'm going to be very unhappy.  I'm guessing the "elipsis character" is a UTF-8 standard or something?

If it's truly cross platform compatible I guess it's all fine.  But if this character causes the Rename function from RM&C to rename files with non-ascii characters that are NOT cross platform compatible, then this is a problem.

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Re: Small Title Case Error, and a Request
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2017, 05:55:45 pm »
Quote from: blgentry on January 24, 2017, 05:37:42 pm
I'm very much not a fan of non-ascii characters.  If you turn my ascii into some kind of windows only encoding I'm going to be very unhappy.  I'm guessing the "elipsis character" is a UTF-8 standard or something?

Well you opt-in to the replacement, and it's off by default.

The character it's replacing with is '…'.  I would assume it works just fine on Mac and Linux, but I haven't actually tested!
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Re: Small Title Case Error, and a Request
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2017, 06:22:27 pm »
^ Opt in makes it all just fine.  Thanks Matt.  As usual, you're the man.  :)

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Re: Small Title Case Error, and a Request
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2017, 07:28:59 pm »
Quote from: blgentry on January 24, 2017, 05:37:42 pm
I'm very much not a fan of non-ascii characters.  If you turn my ascii into some kind of windows only encoding I'm going to be very unhappy.  I'm guessing the "elipsis character" is a UTF-8 standard or something?

If it's truly cross platform compatible I guess it's all fine.  But if this character causes the Rename function from RM&C to rename files with non-ascii characters that are NOT cross platform compatible, then this is a problem.

Brian.

ellipsis is ASCII 0133
option ;   on the mac

so it's a supported character (depending on how it's used i suppose)
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