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[SamuriHL]

Nice work!

[jmone]

I think I've figured out how to get those UHD that stall to word!  On the ones that stall there is an extra file in the JAR folder called "onQClient.cfg" that contains info as follows:

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app.playlist-meta.file=file:///vfs/BDMV/JAR/00002/playlists.xml
debug.enableConsole=false
debug.showFatal=false
debug.showWatermark=false
log.default.appenders=none
If I rename this file the UHD Plays.  I've so far only tested a half dozen or so UHD that used to stall and they all now play.  I've got to go out and I'll retest more later.

So I tested all the discs that were stalling and the results are good with most now playing (these all seem to be Sony Authored Discs).  The key bit that seems to be giving libbluray a hard time in the onQClient.cfg file is the line referencing "app.playlist-meta.file=file:///vfs/BDMV/JAR/00002/playlists.xml"

I had 23 UHD Discs that would freeze and they now all play

So that now means I have 70 UHD Discs (got a new one):
- 0 Crash MC
- 1 Does not display the menu items (Pacific Rim)
- 1 Disc Stalls just prior to the Menu on a Black Screen (Planet Earth Disc 1, but Disc 2 Plays fine) Fixed (bad rip)
- 3 Discs Stall just after playback commences on a Black Screen (Westworld Season 1, 2, 3) Fixed (missing certificate folder)
- 3 Have a Warning that I’m not connected to a 4K TV with an OK Button you can not press (Creed, Mad Max Fury Road, and Man of Steel)
- 66 Discs play (though sometimes there may be artefacts as between splash screens, or a menu item needs to be selected twice for it to then disappear).

I've updated my little util to also rename the cfg file to make it easier to test and will update the MC24 UHD Post on this.

[jmone]

Playing a bit with the 3 discs that have the unselectable OK button, it seems that MC does not know it is a menu (Enter just brings up the MC OSD Pause/Play).

[jmone]

Let me know if you want any testing or logs as I've got some time over the next day but then out for work for a few days.

[jmone]

Re-Ripping American Beauty fixed that disc....for one play then it stalled again...3rd time it plays - no idea!

[jmone]

Hi Hendrik - I can confirm that the original Star Wars trilogy displays the BD Chapter Menu when playback hits chapter marks.  Do you want logs, copy of the structure etc?

[Hendrik]

I have 1-6 in a Blu-ray set, will give my copies of 4-6 a try first to see if they also do it.

Edit:
Yeah mine does that as well.

[jmone]

   It kinda looks cute but it should probably not do that!

[jmone]

Also narrowed down the issue on the UHD that stall (Tested on 3 UHD so far) for discs that have a "onQClient" / "playlist.xml" file in the JAR folder.  It seems to be an issue with the parsing the XML.

If I just remove aspect="16:9 display" and it only needs to be from the first playlist entry (regardless of what it references) then these discs don't stall and playback commences.  Weird.

Here is a sample of the XML from Argo (may discs have many more entries)

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<?xml version="1.0"?>
<playlist-metadata>
<disc name="UHD-110377 Argo WS" id="88000000000000000000000000110377" />
<playlist name="Logo" id="00000" presentation="2D" dynamic_range="HDR" width="3840" height="2160" aspect="16:9 display" framerate="23976" duration_ms="10010" aud="eng" angles="1" chapters="3603600" />
<playlist name="WRN_AntiPiracy" id="00005" presentation="2D" dynamic_range="HDR" width="3840" height="2160" aspect="16:9 display" framerate="23976" duration_ms="9009" angles="1" chapters="3603600" />
<playlist name="WRN_GER_FSK" id="00006" presentation="2D" dynamic_range="HDR" width="3840" height="2160" aspect="16:9 display" framerate="23976" duration_ms="7007" angles="1" chapters="3603600" />
<playlist name="WRN_JPN" id="00007" presentation="2D" dynamic_range="HDR" width="3840" height="2160" aspect="16:9 display" framerate="23976" duration_ms="17059" angles="1" chapters="3603600,3620408" />
<playlist name="WRN_Interpol" id="00008" presentation="2D" dynamic_range="HDR" width="3840" height="2160" aspect="16:9 display" framerate="23976" duration_ms="23273" angles="1" chapters="3603600,3626623" />
<playlist name="WRN_Europe" id="00009" presentation="2D" dynamic_range="HDR" width="3840" height="2160" aspect="16:9 display" framerate="23976" duration_ms="341341" angles="1" chapters="3603600,3613610,3623620,3633630,3643640,3653650,3663660,3673670,3683680,3693690,3703700,3713710,3723720,3733730,3743740,3753750,3763760,3773770,3783780,3793790,3803800,3813810,3823820,3833830,3843840,3853850,3863860,3873870,3883880,3893890,3903900,3913910,3923920,3933930,3944691" />
<playlist name="WRN_LAM" id="00010" presentation="2D" dynamic_range="HDR" width="3840" height="2160" aspect="16:9 display" framerate="23976" duration_ms="31031" angles="1" chapters="3603600,3613610,3623620,3634381" />
<playlist name="WRN_Asia" id="00011" presentation="2D" dynamic_range="HDR" width="3840" height="2160" aspect="16:9 display" framerate="23976" duration_ms="51051" angles="1" chapters="3603600,3613610,3623620,3633630,3643640,3654401" />
<playlist name="WRN_FrenchVisa" id="00013" presentation="2D" dynamic_range="HDR" width="3840" height="2160" aspect="16:9 display" framerate="23976" duration_ms="6006" angles="1" chapters="3603600,3609356" />
<playlist name="WRN_MPAA_CARD" id="00017" presentation="2D" dynamic_range="HDR" width="3840" height="2160" aspect="16:9 display" framerate="23976" duration_ms="8008" angles="1" chapters="3603600,3611358" />
<playlist name="NONE_4K_Environment" id="00024" presentation="2D" dynamic_range="SDR" width="1920" height="1080" aspect="16:9 display" framerate="23976" duration_ms="6006" angles="1" chapters="3603600" />
<playlist name="DUB_Credit_FRE" id="00027" presentation="2D" dynamic_range="HDR" width="3840" height="2160" aspect="16:9 display" framerate="23976" duration_ms="11011" angles="1" chapters="3603600,3614361" />
<playlist name="LANG_SELECT_BG" id="00032" presentation="2D" dynamic_range="HDR" width="3840" height="2160" aspect="16:9 display" framerate="23976" duration_ms="10010" angles="1" chapters="3603600,3603767" />
<playlist name="_Feature" id="00001" presentation="2D" dynamic_range="HDR" width="3840" height="2160" aspect="16:9 display" framerate="23976" duration_ms="7222632" aud="eng,eng,fra,fra,deu,ita,spa,zho,spa,por,ces,hun,pol,rus,tha,tur,jpn,eng" sub="jpn,eng,fra,deu,ita,spa,nld,zho,zho,zho,kor,spa,por,ara,ces,dan,fin,heb,nor,pol,por,rus,swe,tur,jpn,eng,deu,ita,por,hun,tha,jpn" forced_sub="0,0,1,0,0,1,0,0,1,0,0,1,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,1,0,1,0,1,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,0" aud_com1_idx="17" sub_com1_idx="31" angles="1" chapters="3601598,4361357,4777690,5341127,6170164,6603097,7201611,7751077,8388380,9015673,9542408,10297245,10823980" />
<playlist name="Menus" id="00002" presentation="2D" dynamic_range="HDR" width="3840" height="2160" aspect="16:9 display" framerate="23976" duration_ms="213588" aud="eng" angles="1" chapters="3603600,3603767" />
<playlist name="Menus_FRE" id="00026" presentation="2D" dynamic_range="HDR" width="3840" height="2160" aspect="16:9 display" framerate="23976" duration_ms="213588" aud="eng" angles="1" chapters="3603600,3603767" />
<playlist name="Feature_JPN" id="00020" presentation="2D" dynamic_range="HDR" width="3840" height="2160" aspect="16:9 display" framerate="23976" duration_ms="7222632" aud="eng,jpn,eng" sub="jpn,eng,jpn,eng,jpn" forced_sub="0,0,3,3,0" aud_com1_idx="2" sub_com1_idx="4" angles="1" chapters="3601598,4361357,4777690,5341127,6170164,6603097,7201611,7751077,8388380,9015673,9542408,10297245,10823980" />
<playlist name="Feature" id="00019" presentation="2D" dynamic_range="HDR" width="3840" height="2160" aspect="16:9 display" framerate="23976" duration_ms="7222632" aud="eng,eng,fra,fra,deu,ita,spa,zho,spa,por,ces,hun,pol,rus,tha,tur,eng" sub="eng,fra,deu,ita,spa,nld,zho,zho,zho,kor,spa,por,ara,ces,dan,fin,heb,nor,pol,por,rus,swe,tur,eng,deu,ita,por,hun,tha" forced_sub="0,1,0,0,1,0,0,1,0,0,1,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,1,0,1,0,1,3,3,3,3,3,3" aud_com1_idx="16" angles="1" chapters="3601598,4361357,4777690,5341127,6170164,6603097,7201611,7751077,8388380,9015673,9542408,10297245,10823980" />
</playlist-metadata>

[Hendrik]

I think I got the chapter display thing fixed. Probably affected a lot of Fox Blu-rays, their BD-J stuff looks like its rather generic and re-used on many discs.
Hopefully it doesn't break anything else, but I'm pretty positive!

Luckily for me most of those discs have built-in debug logging, you just need to figure out how to enable it, but nothing a Java Decompiler can't help with (even if its all obfuscated up the wazoo).

[jmone]

Nice - I'll run over a few and see if anything pops ups (pun intended!)

[Hendrik]

For UHD, all you are basically doing is causing an error parsing that file, since aspect is mandatory, which somehow works around the problem further down the line (same effect as earlier, removing the line from qClient, etc). What exactly the problem is, is harder to determine.
But I just figured out how to enable logging on those UHD discs (like mentioend above, most have it, just need to find it), so hopefully that enlightens me when I get back to it.

[jmone]

No probs - Looks like I don't have to travel next week for work so I have plenty of time to obsess over this stuff if needed. 

[Hendrik]

Since I need to roll an update for libbluray anyway for the chapters, I figured I might take a peek whats going on with the UHD stuff. But nothing too interesting found quite yet.

[JimH]

No probs - Looks like I don't have to travel next week for work so I have plenty of time to obsess over this stuff if needed. 

Uh oh.

[jmone]

Got to have a hobby or I'd drive my Wife nuts and I can not afford a divorce!

[JimH]

No comment.

[Hendrik]

Of course the first UHD BD I find that had this onQClient / playlists.xml setup actually plays without problems. Go figure. Lets dig some more. I knew I had one that stalled as well, but I forget which one.

[jmone]

Here is the list that freezes for me:
Argo
Atomic Blond
Baby Driver
Billy Lyn
Blade Runner 2049
Bourne Identity
Dark Tower
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 1
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
Harry Potter Half Blood Prince
Inferno
Lego Batman
Life
Passengers
Spider Man Homecomming
T2 Trainspotting
Underworld: Blood Wars

[Hendrik]

This Mad Max UHD BD is weird. It has JAR files on it, but the menu is HDMV. Go figure. I wonder what ever those JAR files do.
Another interesting note, even the Menu is HDR already, which makes it look rather odd. I got feelers out to madshi if we can somehow render HDR menu overlays properly.

Edit:
Actually I was wrong, it just looks like a crappy HDMV menu, but it isn't. Ha.

[jmone]

Can you play Mad Max?  For me Creed,Mad Max Fury Road, and Man of Steel and three I can not get past the initial OK button as it is not selectable.  You are just stuck on this screen.

[Hendrik]

Yeah I got that at first, but now I just told it that I have a 4K screen. 

[jmone]

....and how pray tell did you do that!

[Hendrik]

Magic (actually by filling in PSR26). Note that you'll need to switch your files back to officially being UHD files for all this to work properly eventually.

[jmone]

I know (my util lets you swap back and forth the changes I made as it was the only way I could test these discs in MC.  I just kept modding stuff till they would play!!).  FYI - I get the 4K msg regardless if my screen is 4K or not.

[Hendrik]

FYI - I get the 4K msg regardless if my screen is 4K or not.

Of course you do, libbluray doesn't know what your screen is, MC has to tell it. But I'm just going to claim that everyone has a 4K and HDR screen, no need to be picky there!

[jmone]

Perfect!

[Hendrik]

Unfortunately I only have like one of the discs on your list and my copy works. So guess I'll have to do some more digging. Or maybe pretending to have a 4K device already helped?

Edit:
Heh. Actually apparently you caused the problem yourself. If I remove all special handling for UHD discs (like you would with a 0200 header), then it fails. If I re-add the stuff that sets the player profile etc, it works.
So we'll try enabling this once I run a libbluray update to sort out one or two things.

[jmone]

There is also Planet Earth II (Disc 1 and 2) if you have those.  These freeze after the into splash screen but are also fixed the same way.

[Hendrik]

There, the next build now enables UHD BD Menus for testing. You should switch your discs back to 0300 because MC uses that to set a few different settings on libbluray, and it might not work otherwise.
Also got subtitles to work, but on HDR its all going to be the wrong colors until madshi can get us some HDR overlay rendering.

Properly processing overlays and subtitles in HDR is going to take some more effort down the line.

[jmone]

can't wait to test!

[SamuriHL]

That's extremely exciting!  Hopefully I can finally get some testing done tomorrow.  Things on a personal level have been a little busy the last few weeks.

[jmone]

Outstanding!  Run over all 72 UHDs, only issues are:
- Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 1 & 2 : Always starts in Title Mode but you can manually switch to BD Menu Mode : Fixed.  Were imported as MPLS.
- Jack Reacher Never Go Back : Freeze on Start
- Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Last Jedi : Freeze after Language Selection - Reripped all content bar the M2TS files and now it works fine

I'll check these three some more to see if they need re-ripping etc or what makes them "different" to the rest.  Apart from that the UHD BD discs work beautifully!  I saw no issues with navigation, missing menu items, unselectable buttons etc.

FYI - I will also need to go back and add any Rips missing the Certificate folder as without this you do get some issues with discs asking if you want to resume but then they start from the beginning.


I also have 2 discs with ATMOS Drop Out problems.  With these I've muxed in an additional Audio Track (the std DTS-MA from the BD Disc).  Not surprisingly, these discs stall on playback.  Would it be possible to have a Playback Info field to tag these discs so they default to Title Playback (which of course works).  This option may also be good for other problematic discs.  FYI the discs with the ATMOS Drop Out Problems are:
- Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
- Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales

[jmone]

7. Fixed: During Blu-ray Menu Playback, a Chapter indicator could pop-up mid-playback on some discs.

Confirmed

[jmone]

Down to just - "Jack Reacher Never Go Back : Freeze on Start"  Will not play either from the rip or original discs.  Can't see anything special on this one.  Works fine if I make it a 0200 discs. 

Let me know if you need a structure or logs etc

... but 71/72 now play just fine!  Thanks again for the quick support for UHD BD Menus!

[jmone]

Don't know if you have this one, but Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk UHD has a 23p into / menu, but the main movie is 59p.  This causes some grief in Menu mode on my HTPC, in that:
- MC switches to 23p
- Menu plays fine
- Main title starts but plays ultra slow, almost like it has hung slow (display is still in 23p mode).

I've tried both MC's and madVR's display rate switcher but non will kick the display over to 59p on the actual movie.  Also tried using "(15:DisplaySettings)(15:3640x2160x32x59)" in the Playback Info and this did kick the movie off in 60p mode but oddly the playback issue was still the same on the main movie and now the menu was jurky.  Yet I can play this movie just fine from my Main PC with a fixed 60hz display.

Plays fine in Title Mode of course.

Could be another candidate for being able to tag movies as Play in Title Mode (...eg add option to Playback Info)

[jmone]

Did some more Testing on UHD Jack Reacher: Never Go Back (this is the only one left that stalls on start).  From the Log it seems that libbluray can't find 00099.mpls and this is because it is NOT on the original disc.  I tried copying various other mpls --> 00099.mpls and playback would then proceed but it would be without the menu items being drawn. The lack of menu was fixed by the post below.  Copying one of the other short MPLS (eg a warning one) to 00099.mpls works, but I "think" the right one would be 00000.mpls as this is the initial lang selection screen for the following menu (but if I substitute this one for 00099.mpls then it stalls at the end of this screen as there is no corresponding button action to activate).

Let me know if you want the structure.

Thanks
Nathan

[jmone]

FYI, I "lost" all my Menu Items on my Main PC when using madVR.  They were in fact drawn outside the video frame.  I was testing the newer madVR release and the fix was not to just delete the madVR folder but everything in the plug in directory and let MC download them again.  Weird.

[Hendrik]

I reported the off-position OSD to madshi, hopefully he can fix it in the same version that'll give us HDR Overlay rendering - at which time we'll want to update to it.
For the record it started with 0.92.12, .11 was still fine.

[jmone]

Thanks - My std response now to posts on weirdness is to ask them to delete all the Plug folders and start again from a Known Good Source!

[SamuriHL]

Thanks - My std response now to posts on weirdness is to ask them to delete all the Plug folders and start again from a Known Good Source!

Pffffftttt where's the fun in that? 

[jmone]

So I'm not sure if BD Menus just "work" or if nobody is using it!  Can you tell from the back-end how many times java/libbluray has been downloaded as an idea?

[rlebrette]

So I'm not sure if BD Menus just "work" or if nobody is using it!  Can you tell from the back-end how many times java/libbluray has been downloaded as an idea?

I'm using them and they works pretty fine on all the disks I've tested (600 european disks). I use menus to watch bonuses. I still face a problem with menus when running menus in zone with convolution, some sound artifact and video slow down. Problem that I don't have when viewing without menu.

[rlebrette]

I'm using them and they works pretty fine on all the disks I've tested (600 european disks). I use menus to watch bonuses. I still face a problem with menus when running menus in zone with convolution, some sound artifact and video slow down. Problem that I don't have when viewing without menu.

Don't know if this problem with convolution is something that could be corrected, but I already faced this with DVDs, it seems related to some latency induced by the navigator filter. If it's not solvable, It would be cool to have a zone switch mechanism when reading with menu or without. (I watch bonuses in a separate zone without convolution)

[RoderickGI]

I've been using BD Menus with full folder rips, as you have been Nathan. I haven't played an awful lot of discs, but they have all worked. Ripped with DVDfab.

[mattkhan]

Don't know if this problem with convolution is something that could be corrected, but I already faced this with DVDs, it seems related to some latency induced by the navigator filter. If it's not solvable, It would be cool to have a zone switch mechanism when reading with menu or without. (I watch bonuses in a separate zone without convolution)

AFAIK (i.e. unless something has changed over the last few years), this is not something that can be fixed because it is some external component (as per https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,79916.msg543531.html#msg543531)

[rlebrette]

AFAIK (i.e. unless something has changed over the last few years), this is not something that can be fixed because it is some external component (as per https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,79916.msg543531.html#msg543531)

I'm aware of this post. But in BD discs I think that the navigator is not the Microsoft one.  That's why it took a while to have something in MC. Don't know if problem is  related to filter architecture or implementation...

[mattkhan]

I'm aware of this post. But in BD discs I think that the navigator is not the Microsoft one.  That's why it took a while to have something in MC. Don't know if problem is  related to filter architecture or implementation...

sorry I misread the earlier post as being about problems with convolution and dvds. I use convolution and don't recall any audio issues with BD menus. Is it particular discs or events or all the time?

[Hendrik]

It probably depends on the amount of audio latency you introduce through convolution, and the amount of video latency you have to offset that. ie. using ROHQ has a higher video latency, so it'll allow for more audio latency before its unable to sync those up on output again. Audio latency is also impacted by resampling. If you are resampling, use SoX as it has a far lower latency.

I may be able to dynamically feed more audio into the chain when its running out to fix this, but not 100% sure it would work reliably.

[rlebrette]

sorry I misread the earlier post as being about problems with convolution and dvds. I use convolution and don't recall any audio issues with BD menus. Is it particular discs or events or all the time?

I'm going to check again may be latest builds have fixed again. Since I'm watching BD in this configuration maybe I'm using a workaround that is not necessary anymore.
But when I tested with the early releases it was pretty bad on all my BD.

@Hendrik, would the navigator filter not be neutral for the audio path? I've(maybe had) no problem when watching the movie without the menu feature.
I come back soon after I check again. What kind of information would be helpful?