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[Purecut]

I assume it runs its own special OS, so most likely not.

Dune used it's own OS and also Andrdoid 9 for apps. So you load the app on Android 9. Is it possible to tell MO 4 Media to use the player from Dune?

[cncb]

Dune used it's own OS and also Andrdoid 9 for apps. So you load the app on Android 9. Is it possible to tell MO 4 Media to use the player from Dune?

Only if it is registered as an Android app that can play video.  You can enable "Use external player for video" in the MO settings and see what is available when you go to play a video in MO.

[Purecut]

OK I will tell when the Dune arrives

[markf2748]

Still another playlist option request:
"Remove from list (from here)"

More flexible would be:
"Remove from list (pick endpoint from here)"
which would return you to the playlist in order to select the endpoint of the range for immediate removal (may need a confirmation popup to avoid accidents).

In MC Overview or MC Player views there is really no need for this special action since it is so easy, in the usual way, to <SHIFT><LMB> select contiguously, or <CTRL><LMB> select non-contiguously, and then delete all selections in one shot.  But in MO 4Media I don't see any way to accomplish these actions, other than deleting one entry at a time.  Am I missing a trick here?

12/30/2023 Updated last paragraph for clarity.

Win 11 Pro 23H2 (64-bit)   MC 31.0.87   MO 4Media on Android phone

[markf2748]

From what I can tell, the MO 4Media Show Tags > File Tags display attempts to list all Audio Tags with non-empty values.  Nice idea and the display looks good.  However, two issues:

Tag Issue 1.  Many of the audio fields which I use (both MC Pre-defined and User) are not displayed by MO 4Media, i.e. are "missing".

Here are missing non-empty audio fields in my use case, grouped by type (User Expression Fields are shown with "=")

Missing Pre-defined fields:
[Date (filename friendly)]   (Covered by [Date (readable)] ?)
[Filename (name)]
[Filename (path)]
[Last Lyrics Lookup]
[Last Played (album)]
[Track Transition Duration]
[Use Bookmarking]
[Year]
[Year - Album]

Missing User fields:
[Date Acquired (raw sortable)]=ConvertDate([Date Acquired])
[Foldername]=filefolder()
[Styles]=[style]&datatype=/[list/]  (escaped here for display)  Note: covered by [Style]
[Title]=[Name]
[Type:Folder]=[Media Type]:[Filename (path)]
[Year (release)]

Can MO 4Media display all non-empty audio fields?

Note:  MC displays all fields properly (none missing), both in Tree > Action Window > Tag pane and Options > Library & Folders > Manage Library Fields...

Tag Issue 2:  My [Date Acquired] (a User string field) in MO 4Media always shows the same wrong date "12/31/1969 4:00 PM".  MC itself shows correct values (typically I enter only date, no time).

Thanks for a great app.

12/30/2023: Updated for clarity.

Win 11 Pro 23H2 (64-bit)   MC 31.0.87   MO 4Media v1.12.0 on Android phone

[Purecut]

Hi cncb,

please can you explain me how to setup a movie chapter file, so that MO4Media can handle thew chapters.
When I extract a chapter file from a movie I have this in a txt format:

Filename same as movie file name: Aliens_chapters.xml

Code: [Select]

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<!-- <!DOCTYPE Chapters SYSTEM "matroskachapters.dtd"> -->
<Chapters>
  <EditionEntry>
    <EditionFlagHidden>0</EditionFlagHidden>
    <EditionFlagDefault>1</EditionFlagDefault>
    <EditionUID>1094857477283062694</EditionUID>
    <ChapterAtom>
      <ChapterUID>7167792977502897885</ChapterUID>
      <ChapterTimeStart>00:00:00.000000000</ChapterTimeStart>
      <ChapterFlagHidden>0</ChapterFlagHidden>
      <ChapterFlagEnabled>1</ChapterFlagEnabled>
      <ChapterTimeEnd>00:10:29.000000000</ChapterTimeEnd>
      <ChapterDisplay>
        <ChapterString>Chapter 01</ChapterString>
        <ChapterLanguage>eng</ChapterLanguage>
        <ChapLanguageIETF>en</ChapLanguageIETF>
      </ChapterDisplay>
    </ChapterAtom>
    <ChapterAtom>
      <ChapterUID>14920792662739995575</ChapterUID>
      <ChapterTimeStart>00:10:29.000000000</ChapterTimeStart>
      <ChapterFlagHidden>0</ChapterFlagHidden>
      <ChapterFlagEnabled>1</ChapterFlagEnabled>
      <ChapterTimeEnd>00:22:21.708333333</ChapterTimeEnd>
      <ChapterDisplay>
        <ChapterString>Chapter 02</ChapterString>
        <ChapterLanguage>eng</ChapterLanguage>
        <ChapLanguageIETF>en</ChapLanguageIETF>
      </ChapterDisplay>
    </ChapterAtom>
    <ChapterAtom>
      <ChapterUID>17754996318350808036</ChapterUID>
      <ChapterTimeStart>00:22:21.708333333</ChapterTimeStart>
      <ChapterFlagHidden>0</ChapterFlagHidden>
      <ChapterFlagEnabled>1</ChapterFlagEnabled>
      <ChapterTimeEnd>00:35:38.916666666</ChapterTimeEnd>
      <ChapterDisplay>
        <ChapterString>Chapter 03</ChapterString>
        <ChapterLanguage>eng</ChapterLanguage>
        <ChapLanguageIETF>en</ChapLanguageIETF>
      </ChapterDisplay>
    </ChapterAtom>
    <ChapterAtom>
      <ChapterUID>15535126937594100384</ChapterUID>
      <ChapterTimeStart>00:35:38.916666666</ChapterTimeStart>
      <ChapterFlagHidden>0</ChapterFlagHidden>
      <ChapterFlagEnabled>1</ChapterFlagEnabled>
      <ChapterTimeEnd>00:44:47.208333333</ChapterTimeEnd>
      <ChapterDisplay>
        <ChapterString>Chapter 04</ChapterString>
        <ChapterLanguage>eng</ChapterLanguage>
        <ChapLanguageIETF>en</ChapLanguageIETF>
      </ChapterDisplay>
    </ChapterAtom>
    <ChapterAtom>
      <ChapterUID>10130890041410168297</ChapterUID>
      <ChapterTimeStart>00:44:47.208333333</ChapterTimeStart>
      <ChapterFlagHidden>0</ChapterFlagHidden>
      <ChapterFlagEnabled>1</ChapterFlagEnabled>
      <ChapterTimeEnd>00:55:52.083333333</ChapterTimeEnd>
      <ChapterDisplay>
        <ChapterString>Chapter 05</ChapterString>
        <ChapterLanguage>eng</ChapterLanguage>
        <ChapLanguageIETF>en</ChapLanguageIETF>
      </ChapterDisplay>
    </ChapterAtom>
    <ChapterAtom>
      <ChapterUID>13699385315593323547</ChapterUID>
      <ChapterTimeStart>00:55:52.083333333</ChapterTimeStart>
      <ChapterFlagHidden>0</ChapterFlagHidden>
      <ChapterFlagEnabled>1</ChapterFlagEnabled>
      <ChapterTimeEnd>01:08:20.208333333</ChapterTimeEnd>
      <ChapterDisplay>
        <ChapterString>Chapter 06</ChapterString>
        <ChapterLanguage>eng</ChapterLanguage>
        <ChapLanguageIETF>en</ChapLanguageIETF>
      </ChapterDisplay>
    </ChapterAtom>
    <ChapterAtom>
      <ChapterUID>16968556220032997229</ChapterUID>
      <ChapterTimeStart>01:08:20.208333333</ChapterTimeStart>
      <ChapterFlagHidden>0</ChapterFlagHidden>
      <ChapterFlagEnabled>1</ChapterFlagEnabled>
      <ChapterTimeEnd>01:17:55.333333333</ChapterTimeEnd>
      <ChapterDisplay>
        <ChapterString>Chapter 07</ChapterString>
        <ChapterLanguage>eng</ChapterLanguage>
        <ChapLanguageIETF>en</ChapLanguageIETF>
      </ChapterDisplay>
    </ChapterAtom>
    <ChapterAtom>
      <ChapterUID>7489722921517080243</ChapterUID>
      <ChapterTimeStart>01:17:55.333333333</ChapterTimeStart>
      <ChapterFlagHidden>0</ChapterFlagHidden>
      <ChapterFlagEnabled>1</ChapterFlagEnabled>
      <ChapterTimeEnd>01:29:17.958333333</ChapterTimeEnd>
      <ChapterDisplay>
        <ChapterString>Chapter 08</ChapterString>
        <ChapterLanguage>eng</ChapterLanguage>
        <ChapLanguageIETF>en</ChapLanguageIETF>
      </ChapterDisplay>
    </ChapterAtom>
    <ChapterAtom>
      <ChapterUID>16689118930862443357</ChapterUID>
      <ChapterTimeStart>01:29:17.958333333</ChapterTimeStart>
      <ChapterFlagHidden>0</ChapterFlagHidden>
      <ChapterFlagEnabled>1</ChapterFlagEnabled>
      <ChapterTimeEnd>01:29:19.666666666</ChapterTimeEnd>
      <ChapterDisplay>
        <ChapterString>Chapter 09</ChapterString>
        <ChapterLanguage>eng</ChapterLanguage>
        <ChapLanguageIETF>en</ChapLanguageIETF>
      </ChapterDisplay>
    </ChapterAtom>
  </EditionEntry>
</Chapters>

When I put this file in the same folder as the movie MO4Media did not recognize the chapter file.
Must I before create a field in the Database called "CHAPTERS"? I do not see any option that I can import this xml file to the selected movie "Aliens". Where do I find this command?

Thanks

[cncb]

Are both of you are referring to the Android version, not the UWP version?  Chapters only work in the Android TV app.  You need to import Aliens_chapters.xml as a data file into MC.

[Purecut]

Yes I talking about the Andoid TV, because I'm using your MO 4 Media on Android TV. I do not see the command in MC where I can import a data file.

[cncb]

Just import it like any other file.  You can easily just drag and drop it into MC for a single file.

[Purecut]

Just import it like any other file.  You can easily just drag and drop it into MC for a single file.

Sorry I'm to studied for this. Drag and Drop will not work. I get a "not allowed sign" on the mouse courser. When I select Import - I only can import a complete folder and not a single file and also there is no section where I can select a xml files to import. Please can you give me an example? The extension of my file is: .xml

[cncb]

In MC, go to Tools > Options > General > Features and make sure Data Support is checked. 

Click "Documents" in the main tree on the left and drag your xml file to the file list (probably empty) displayed in MC.

[JimH]

Turn on Shell Integration in MC settings.

[Purecut]

Thanks - I see now the documents on the left and I also imported the .xml file. Same name as the movie. Movie name Run, Chapters file: RUN_Chapters.xml.
When I start MO 4Media I do not see the imported chapters. I see chapters every 5 Minutes. They will be produced, when MO 4Media do not see any chapters file?

Shell integration is also selected (2. Screenshot)
What is going wrong?

[cncb]

Set the Name tag to be "Run_chapters".

[Purecut]

I changed the file name as you told me and re-imported the file. No chapters showing in MO 4 Media from xml file. I only see the 5 Minutes chapters in MO 4 Media on my shield in Android TV.

[cncb]

Not the filename, it can be anything.  The Name (Titel) tag in MC.

[Purecut]

Thanks - it's working now.

How many steps for this for working. I will write a manual for this. I think many users will not know what to do to support chapters in MO 4Media.
Is there a plan that MC will support chapters in the next release?

[cncb]

Just 2 steps on the MC side: import file and make sure the Name tag matches.

I don't think there are any plans to store chapters as tags in MC.

[Purecut]

If you know what to do everything is easy, and there are a few more steps to enable this.

Here's a step by step guide to enable chapters into MO 4Media.

Enjoy

[Purecut]

I just see that there is a problem in reading the chapters xml file. In Mo 4 Media wrong chapter times will be displayed.

Here an example for a very long movie. The contents of the xml file is:

Code: [Select]

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<!-- <!DOCTYPE Chapters SYSTEM "matroskachapters.dtd"> -->
<Chapters>
  <EditionEntry>
    <EditionFlagHidden>0</EditionFlagHidden>
    <EditionFlagDefault>0</EditionFlagDefault>
    <EditionFlagOrdered>0</EditionFlagOrdered>
    <EditionUID>7850046897859046374</EditionUID>
    <ChapterAtom>
      <ChapterUID>16904098760093963224</ChapterUID>
      <ChapterTimeStart>00:00:00.000000000</ChapterTimeStart>
      <ChapterDisplay>
        <ChapterString>Waffenbrueder</ChapterString>
        <ChapterLanguage>und</ChapterLanguage>
        <ChapLanguageIETF>und</ChapLanguageIETF>
      </ChapterDisplay>
    </ChapterAtom>
    <ChapterAtom>
      <ChapterUID>1199078035565682955</ChapterUID>
      <ChapterTimeStart>01:25:04.391000000</ChapterTimeStart>
      <ChapterDisplay>
        <ChapterString>In Treue und Ergebenheit</ChapterString>
        <ChapterLanguage>und</ChapterLanguage>
        <ChapLanguageIETF>und</ChapLanguageIETF>
      </ChapterDisplay>
    </ChapterAtom>
    <ChapterAtom>
      <ChapterUID>16424405936097080740</ChapterUID>
      <ChapterTimeStart>02:41:42.360000000</ChapterTimeStart>
      <ChapterDisplay>
        <ChapterString>Theater des Schmerzes</ChapterString>
        <ChapterLanguage>und</ChapterLanguage>
        <ChapLanguageIETF>und</ChapLanguageIETF>
      </ChapterDisplay>
    </ChapterAtom>
  </EditionEntry>
</Chapters>

In MO 4 Media the follwing chapters ( 3 ) will be displayed, but with wrong times - see attachment.

[Purecut]

MO 4Media reads the chapter file incorrectly

I found that MO 4Media reads the chapter files in a wrong way.
A exported chapter file has this format (exported with MKWToolnix or Chapter Editor):

....
    <ChapterAtom>
      <ChapterUID>4376601072122357060</ChapterUID>
      <ChapterTimeStart>00:00:00.000000000</ChapterTimeStart>
      <ChapterFlagHidden>0</ChapterFlagHidden>
      <ChapterFlagEnabled>1</ChapterFlagEnabled>
      <ChapterTimeEnd>00:03:16.154291666</ChapterTimeEnd>
      <ChapterDisplay>
        <ChapterString>Chapter 01</ChapterString>
        <ChapterLanguage>eng</ChapterLanguage>
        <ChapLanguageIETF>en</ChapLanguageIETF>
      </ChapterDisplay>
    </ChapterAtom>

You will notice, that the chapter times also contains milliseconds. If the time is specified at the end also in milliseconds, MO 4Media interprets the chapter times completely incorrectly and all times are no longer correct.
When you delete the .milliseconds at the end of each entry, MO 4Meia reads the times correctly.

@cncb
It would be very desirable if you could change this and also evaluate the .milliseconds. It doesn't matter whether you discard these in your calculation, the main thing is that the actual times are interpreted correctly. Having to change the times manually every time is not particularly desirable, as specifying .milliseconds is normal for all programs tested to date and can therefore be considered correct.

What I can't judge is whether the number of milliseconds has anything to do with the frames in order to find or set the correct start frame.

Thank you and Happy New Year to all of you.

[cncb]

I am guessing that in your locale/location, commas are normally used for the decimal separator?  Try replacing . with , in your chapter file and see if this works.  I can change it to always expect a period if mkvtoolnix always exports it this way.

[Purecut]

I am guessing that in your locale/location, commas are normally used for the decimal separator?  Try replacing . with , in your chapter file and see if this works.  I can change it to always expect a period if mkvtoolnix always exports it this way.

Hi cncb,

I tried it in every way. All the programs for extracting chapter files are doing this in the same way. The standard for chapter times is always: HH:MM:SS.XXXXXXXXX (9 digits for milliseconds) 00:00:00.000000000.
Also ChaperEdit, MKVToolnix and all the others are doing this. If I import a chapter file with the format 00:00:00 (without milliseconds) they will automatically filled the missing milliseconds with zeros. If you delete the milliseconds during editing in these programs the time will be selected as incorrect. My research has shown that this format is a requirement. HH:MM:SS.XXXXXXXXX

All programs export a chapter file according to this scheme. It will always be the point. used as a separator regardless of the location

It will be great if you update MO 4Media to handle the reading of the xml file with the right timestamp of each chapter.

Greetings

[Purecut]

Hi,

any news on this?

[cncb]

I will try to get to it this week.

[cncb]

Still another playlist option request:
"Remove from list (from here)"

Sorry, I don't plan to implement this.

Can MO 4Media display all non-empty audio fields?

I added a button to the Tags page which will show/hide "calculated" tags which are missing.  The wrong date displays should be fixed as well.

All programs export a chapter file according to this scheme. It will always be the point. used as a separator regardless of the location

This should be fixed in the next release which I submitted for review.  Watch the Android thread for when it is available.

[Purecut]

Hi cncb,

just tested. The new version reads the chapterlist in perfect. Thank you 

[cncb]

just tested. The new version reads the chapterlist in perfect. Thank you 

Thanks for your feedback and testing.

[markf2748]

I added a button to the Tags page which will show/hide "calculated" tags which are missing.  The wrong date displays should be fixed as well.

This should be fixed in the next release which I submitted for review.  Watch the Android thread for when it is available.

The new button is really nice, but date display issue remains.  See post in parallel thread:
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,114964.msg956501.html#msg956501