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iPod Classic and nano status
« on: September 18, 2007, 09:56:25 am »

It's working for us, but a couple of users have reported it doesn't work.

We have an 80GB classic.

Please stand by.

[Edit-- Requires build 335 or later.  Always check the top of the MC12 board for the latest if you're having trouble.]
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Re: iPod Classic status
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2007, 09:59:27 am »

Thanks for the quick response in addressing the new iPods, Jim and the rest of the MC developers. 

If you need a tester for the new nano's, I'd be more than happy to help. It's a black nano with the same model # and last 3 serial that is listed in the sticky post.


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Re: iPod Classic status
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2007, 10:10:17 am »

Thanks.  We hope the next beta build will support the new nano.
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Re: iPod Classic status
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2007, 10:47:45 am »

I don't know if this helps or not but after my initial problem with the existing database, after resetting the iPod I've been able to transfer music and video from MC to the iPod without any problems. So, maybe the problem is compatibility with an existing iTunes database.

The only thing I see is that the album cover/video previews normally shown on the right hand side of the iPod menus are not there. Coverflow works but the preview in the menus do not.
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iPod Classic no songs after sync [found to work on XP, not on Vista]
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2007, 06:04:13 pm »

I just got my 80gig classic ipod today. I have tried to copy songs to my ipod using MC12 (12.329) with no joy. MC recognizes my ipod, and I can transfer songs to my ipod, but after I eject the ipod, it says that I have no songs. The ipod also shows that I have less space, meaning that I know the songs are on the ipod, it just won't show them to me. I even got to a screen where MC asked my to fix or make a database. When I mount the ipod again in MC, and go to my ipod in drives/devices, all the songs that I transfered are there.

When I go to itunes, it says that it detected a database problem. After I restore, and sync with itunes, my ipod works. I am thinking that it is a MC/ipod database problem.

Please help me to get this to work as it is driving me  :o
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Re: iPod Classic no songs after sync
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2007, 06:06:49 pm »

Can you re-install 329 and reboot?  Start with a working ipod and then test again.  This should be working now.

If it doesn't work, please report how many files and how much space is used on the iPod.
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Re: iPod Classic no songs after sync
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2007, 06:25:58 pm »

I went to itunes and restored to factory settings.

I uninstalled MC, then reinstalled MC.

Then I rebooted.

Same problem. I put 14 songs on it and it said I used 200 MB.
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Re: iPod Classic no songs after sync
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2007, 06:27:26 pm »

Can you post a description of the device and the last three characters of the serial number?

It may not be getting recognized as a classic.
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Re: iPod Classic no songs after sync
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2007, 06:41:49 pm »

It is being recognized as a classic. I posted my info in the ipod sticky thread at the top.

Update:

I went to my XP machine and it now works fine. It was my Vista machine that was giving me problems. I guess this is just a Vista issue?

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Ipod Classic - High Transfer Speed
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2007, 11:36:14 pm »

The Classic (thank you J River!!!) seems to have a transfer speed about twice as fast as the generation 5.0
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What new iPods are working for people?
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2007, 05:57:03 pm »

What, of the newest generation of iPods, are working for everyone (with Media Center)?  How many people are using the classic?  I think the Nano works well, too.  But what about the iPod Touch?  And of course, the iPhone?
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Re: What new iPods are working for people?
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2007, 06:14:32 pm »

With build 329, the classic and nano will work (maybe not on vista yet).

The touch and the iphone won't.

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Re: What new iPods are working for people?
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2007, 06:15:10 pm »

I have a classic 80 gig ipod that works great with xp, but it won't work at all with Vista.
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Re: What new iPods are working for people?
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2007, 06:37:06 pm »

Does the breakthrough of finding the hash value or whatever was discovered recently only help the classic and nano?  Are the touch and iPhone handled completely differently compared with the other iPods?  In other words, iPhone support was not likely a while ago ... nor was Classic support.  This discovery allowed classic support.  Will this discovery in any way help with the iPhone (and touch)?
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Odd issue with MC12 and ipod classic
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2007, 08:01:02 pm »

If I select any podcast to sync, MC wants to sync my entire collection even though I only have 200 songs and 1 podcast selected.  Unselect the single podcast and it only wants to sync 200 songs.

Also I noticed that some of my albums that show album art in MC are not getting synced with proper album art but instead getting the MC logo.  which is another problem, I know this was asked back in the MC11 days but can we have it NOT add the MC logo to tracks with no artwork.  This is even more annoying with the ipod Classic because the classic puts in artwork that is media type specific if no artwork is found and this does not work if you have a bunch of MC logos.
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Re: What new iPods are working for people?
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2007, 10:20:35 pm »

nano will work (maybe not on vista yet).


I can attest that the new nano's, Vista, and MC don't work together. I tried out the latest build of MC tonight and loaded all my music through MC. I ejected the nano and got the "0 Songs" message on the screen.

Is there any hope of getting this working on Vista?

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Re: What new iPods are working for people?
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2007, 01:34:17 am »

My iPod Classic 160GB works. I have filled it with almost 90GB music and it works great.

Osho
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Re: What new iPods are working for people?
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2007, 05:48:23 am »

My iPod Classic 160GB works. I have filled it with almost 90GB music and it works great.

Osho

Was there any special process to get your classic working under Vista? I plugged in the ipod, launch MC, right clicked on the player and selected Initialize. I then sync my music, but the iPod did not recognize the songs. 

I am running Vista Ultimate and all the standard settings.

Drew
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Re: What new iPods are working for people?
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2007, 09:31:22 am »

My iPod Classic 160GB works. I have filled it with almost 90GB music and it works great.

Osho

Hi Osho, So, you are not having any issues with the wrong album covers showing up?

Have you gone back to Itunes at all? (if not, don't as this might create album cover problems for you).

The only problem is for future firmware updates, you will  need Itunes and that may mess things up.
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Re: What new iPods are working for people?
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2007, 09:52:33 am »

iPod Classic black 160 just filled with 128 GB music (18,684 songs).  I can't say beyond my random checking, but Cover Flow appears to be working fine for me.

Media Center Registered 12.0.329 -- C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center 12\

Microsoft Windows XP  Workstation 5.1 Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
AMD Unknown 2008 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 2096 MB, Free - 1027 MB

Internet Explorer: 7.0.5730.11 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.82.2900 / Shlwapi.dll: 6.0.2900 / Shell32.dll: 6.0.2900 / wnaspi32.dll: N/A
Ripping /   Drive E: TSSTcorpCD/DVDW SH-W162C  Mode:ModeSecure  Type:Auto  Speed:Max
  Digital playback: Yes /  Use YADB: Yes /  Get cover art: No /  Calc replay gain: Yes /  Copy volume: 32767
  Eject after ripping: Yes /  Play sound after ripping: No 

Burning /  Drive E: TSSTcorp CD/DVDW SH-W162C   Addr: 0:0:0  Speed:4  MaxSpeed:4  BurnProof:Yes
  Test mode: No /  Eject after writing: Yes /  Direct decoding: Yes /  Write CD-Text: Yes
  Use playback settings: No /

Portable Device Info
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Interface Plugins:
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  TiVo Server (Active/Enabled)
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Re: What new iPods are working for people?
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2007, 10:35:56 am »

Was there any special process to get your classic working under Vista?

I am using XP so I have no idea about Vista.

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Re: What new iPods are working for people?
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2007, 10:38:13 am »

Hi Osho, So, you are not having any issues with the wrong album covers showing up?

Have you gone back to Itunes at all? (if not, don't as this might create album cover problems for you).

The only problem is for future firmware updates, you will  need Itunes and that may mess things up.

I am not having any issues with the wrong album covers showing up. I have all album covers embedded inside tags in MC12. *Maybe* that's the reason.

I haven't gone back to Itunes at all.  I agree that I will have to go there for firmware update (I am waiting for a firmware fix for compilations). I will upgrade firmware with iTunes. If I see problems after that, I plan to remove all my music on iPod and resync from scratch with MC12. I have enabled cache for storing the conversion so it should be much quicker to resync second time in MC12.

Osho
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Re: What new iPods are working for people?
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2007, 11:47:36 am »

I am not having any issues with the wrong album covers showing up. I have all album covers embedded inside tags in MC12. *Maybe* that's the reason.

I haven't gone back to Itunes at all.  I agree that I will have to go there for firmware update (I am waiting for a firmware fix for compilations). I will upgrade firmware with iTunes. If I see problems after that, I plan to remove all my music on iPod and resync from scratch with MC12. I have enabled cache for storing the conversion so it should be much quicker to resync second time in MC12.

Osho

I too have all the covers embedded into the files, I think it's going back to Itunes that scrambles this, in which case it might happen after a firmware update.

The thing is with 150gb of space, re-installing the data takes a while, and puts uncessary wear and tear on the ipod drive.
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Re: iPod Classic and nano status
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2007, 02:46:46 pm »

I thought this was interesting about how hard Apple is trying to make it for 3rd party developers to work with iPod and iTunes. Check it out.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7002612.stm
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Re: iPod Classic and nano status
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2007, 03:31:30 pm »

I thought this was interesting about how hard Apple is trying to make it for 3rd party developers to work with iPod and iTunes. Check it out.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7002612.stm

Interesting article.  It's good to see that Apple's behavior in this regard, which has been going on for a LONG time, is finally getting a little more press.

Thanks for the link.

Larry
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Re: iPod Classic and nano status
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2007, 03:34:38 pm »

Vista Users,

We are seeing some problems related to Vista's security layer (UAC) and our device management system. We are currently working on it. In the meantime, please run MC as an administrator. Right click on the MC icon and select "Run as Administrator".

This will better identify your iPod and it will allow you to use MC to manage the new iPod nanos and classics.

Rick
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Re: iPod Classic and nano status
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2007, 08:42:38 pm »

Quote
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7002612.stm

Very good article.  I really liked the Powerpoint comparison at the bottom.  It is amazing--all the time spent trying to stop others from freely using a device.  It introduces so much more complexity that can even cause problems with Apple's own software!  Any added complexity increases the chances of failure.
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Re: iPod Classic and nano status
« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2007, 10:51:51 am »

Hi all,

I am itching to buy an ipod classic.  Is the ipod classic working with Vista now?  I have been try to wait it out until I am sure that MC12 will work with this ipod.

Thanks,

Piero
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Re: iPod Classic and nano status
« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2007, 09:17:01 pm »

I have Vista and a new Nano and it works with the latest build.


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Re: iPod Classic and nano status
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2007, 03:33:18 pm »

I so wish I had read this before trying out MC.
I downloaded the trial version and tried to add a couple of albums to my 160 Classic.
I am using Vista
Everything seems OK looking at MC but after ejecting my Ipod there is nothing on it. !
Although it does say over 80 gig is used !
Looks like its back to Itunes

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Re: iPod Classic and nano status
« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2007, 03:34:31 pm »

Did you try MC 12.0.332 from the top of the MC12 board?

http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=42705.0
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Re: iPod Classic and nano status
« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2007, 04:16:03 pm »

mrmojo also posted on iPodlounge:

http://forums.ilounge.com/showthread.php?t=207523
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Re: iPod Classic and nano status
« Reply #32 on: October 02, 2007, 01:03:06 am »

Hi I tried the latest version - 12.0.329
Is the older 12.0.232 ok then ?
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Re: iPod Classic and nano status
« Reply #33 on: October 02, 2007, 04:05:42 am »

Hi I tried the latest version - 12.0.329
Is the older 12.0.232 ok then ?

He actually meant "332" rather than "232," meaning he wanted you to try a NEWER version than 329.  Since he wrote that response, however, 335 has been released, so THIS is the version you should try. 

Here is a link to the thread containing the newest version as of this moment.

http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=42767.0

If in doubt, just download the version from the "newest build" thread at the top of the "Media Center 12" forum. 

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Re: iPod Classic and nano status
« Reply #34 on: October 02, 2007, 06:56:54 am »

He actually meant "332" rather than "232," meaning he wanted you to try a NEWER version that 329.
Correct.  Thanks, Larry.
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Re: iPod Classic and nano status
« Reply #35 on: October 03, 2007, 05:16:07 pm »

thanks - i will download the latest version tonight ....will report back later
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Re: iPod Classic and nano status
« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2007, 07:01:03 pm »

thanks - i will download the latest version tonight ....will report back later
Thanks.  Please let us know what you find.  We think it's working pretty well now.
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Re: iPod Classic and nano status
« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2007, 07:33:07 pm »

Does MC still need to "initialize" the new Classic iPods?  I've been doing some testing, and when I plug in a newly restored iPod, MC never asks me if I want to initialize it, and it never indicates that it does this automatically.  Is this an MC change, or an iPod change, or ?  Is MC just doing this automatically the first time a blank iPod is connected?  In the past, it's always "asked" about doing this.

Thanks,

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Re: iPod Classic and nano status
« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2007, 09:44:58 am »

Initializing should not be necessary.
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Re: iPod Classic and nano status
« Reply #39 on: October 04, 2007, 04:14:48 pm »

Initializing should not be necessary.

Does this apply to ALL iPods now, or just to the new Classics?

Also, is there anyproblem with using a re-initialize to clear the iPod, or should it not be used at all.

Finally, if initializing is no longer needed, why is it still in the menu?

Thanks for clarifications on these,

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Re: iPod Classic and nano status
« Reply #40 on: October 04, 2007, 04:17:26 pm »

Initializing is a quick way to clear the iPod which may be handy in day to day use and also whenever Apple changes the database structure.
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Re: iPod Classic and nano status
« Reply #41 on: October 06, 2007, 12:27:34 am »

Have been using MC with my Ipod Classic 160 and all is well !

MC is definitely better than ITunes !  much quicker and no lock ups !


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Re: iPod Classic and nano status
« Reply #42 on: October 12, 2007, 04:11:46 am »

@mrmojo:

so maybe you should go and spread the news on iPodlounge as well?
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« Reply #43 on: October 12, 2007, 03:00:56 pm »

@mrmojo:

so maybe you should go and spread the news on iPodlounge as well?


I have already been spreading word at ilounge.. it is a nice active community so hopefully the word will reach out to many people.

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Re: iPod Classic and nano status
« Reply #44 on: October 12, 2007, 03:32:39 pm »

Thanks, Osho.  It's unbelievably helpful when people do that.

Thanks also to Chili-jam.

Mojo, I'm glad you got it running OK.

Jim
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Re: iPod Classic and nano status
« Reply #45 on: October 25, 2007, 03:58:11 pm »

@mrmojo:

so maybe you should go and spread the news on iPodlounge as well?


I've also mentioned MC at the forums.apple.com hopefully Apple will not remove the posts, as i doubt they actually read the forums.
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Re: iPod Classic and nano status
« Reply #46 on: October 25, 2007, 04:19:10 pm »

Thanks.  Here's a link to one of their boards:
http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa
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