Topic: Radio MC -- NEW FEATURE: Auto Playlister (Read 24739 times)

Matt · « **on:** October 12, 2007, 11:04:20 pm »

We've been kicking around the idea of a feature that makes playlists built around a seed song or songs.

To use it, you'd pick a song or album you were in the mood for and instead of "Play", you'd pick "Playlist Monkey" (real name to be determined), and it'd show a dialog like this:

This tool would then run a neural net to reticulate the splines and throw together a mix. Or something like that.

Any thoughts?

jgreen · « **Reply #1 on:** October 12, 2007, 11:36:04 pm »

This is a great idea! Datdude, get a load of this!

rpalmer68 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 13, 2007, 12:00:23 am »

I like it!

glynor · « **Reply #3 on:** October 13, 2007, 02:03:57 am »

Wow.... Fantastic if it works. Not so sure about the monkey name, despite how cool monkeys are inherently. Oooh-oooh-oooh-aaah-aaah-aaah-aaah!!

park · « **Reply #4 on:** October 13, 2007, 03:56:55 am »

I'd dig that.
It'd be cool if the user had some way to feedback on whether the monkey's suggestions were close or not. Just a thumbs up/down type control. I assume that by neural net doobie, you mean that the community's efforts would all effect and make the monkey more accurate over time?

TimB · « **Reply #5 on:** October 13, 2007, 05:57:02 am »

Darn but I was thinking about something like this yesterday and wondering if y'all could pull it off!

-=Tim=-

rpalmer68 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 13, 2007, 06:05:42 am »

Oh and access via Theater View too please.

Richard

bennyd · « **Reply #7 on:** October 13, 2007, 06:58:56 am »

Cool idea, can you also make a plugin that does this with favorite food ? :-)

mhakman · « **Reply #8 on:** October 13, 2007, 09:01:31 am »

This is an excellent idea. The Music Genome Project implements this for online listening using quite advanced matching algorithms and a huge music and music classification database. Perhaps cooperation with this project could be beneficial.

Thanks/Mikael

dcwebman · « **Reply #9 on:** October 13, 2007, 09:37:08 am »

Music feature - I love it. Usually I listen to a smartlist that picks random songs but there's those times I just feel like listening to say, all hard rock. I then have to go through the library and pick album by album to add to the playlist. The only problem is that now I probably have to go make sure my genres are all specific rather than just Rock and start rating them.

Griff · « **Reply #10 on:** October 13, 2007, 10:34:33 am »

Auto mood music

cool

go for it !

Thanks

gappie · « **Reply #11 on:** October 13, 2007, 10:51:06 am »

fantastic idea.

Magic_Randy · « **Reply #12 on:** October 13, 2007, 10:51:24 am »

Good idea

JimH · « **Reply #13 on:** October 13, 2007, 11:08:43 am »

Good idea.

AutoDJ?

DJTron?

Listerine?

glynor · « **Reply #14 on:** October 13, 2007, 11:30:38 am »

Quote from: JimH on October 13, 2007, 11:08:43 am

Listerine?

marko · « **Reply #15 on:** October 13, 2007, 01:12:26 pm »

nice idea....

pick 'n' mix?

KingSparta · « **Reply #16 on:** October 13, 2007, 03:06:32 pm »

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Not so sure about the monkey name

Hey..

Whats Wrong With Monkeys?

I Do think This Is A Good Idea...

Maybe You Can Also Add Duration To The Controls

To Allow Selecting

> 3 Mins

< 6 Mins

Per Track

Etc...

GHammer · « **Reply #17 on:** October 13, 2007, 04:08:04 pm »

MaestroMonkey
MonkeyMaestro

It's all the same to me. Sounds like a cool thing to have.

TimB · « **Reply #18 on:** October 13, 2007, 04:53:32 pm »

Or:

Maestro
Neural Gnome
Neural Wizard
Auto Jukebox
AutoJuke
AutoBox

-=Tim=-

lOth · « **Reply #19 on:** October 13, 2007, 08:37:15 pm »

I've been asking for this forever based on one of Amarok's feature. It would be really nice if in addition to choosing a playlist length the monkey had an alternate option of choosing a small number of songs (15? 20?) and to use the playing now song as a seed after say, 30 sec. or half of the song's playtime, and based on that tune add a song at the end of the playing now list. The goal would be to use the skipping of songs to refine that mood. Recording the track skipping could also help with this:

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It'd be cool if the user had some way to feedback on whether the monkey's suggestions were close or not

It would be great too to give the user more control over the matching process: could you add an "advanced" button under the matching slider (from loose to tight) so that one could select "loose" to "tight" for each one of the parameters used (artist, genre, era, etc.)?

AutoDJ seems to me to be not the most fun but the clearest way of calling this new feature.

gappie · « **Reply #20 on:** October 14, 2007, 05:56:51 am »

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to use the playing now song

now that would be nice. not only for playlist monkey, but also for smartlists.

hit_ny · « **Reply #21 on:** October 14, 2007, 08:23:42 am »

To date i've yet to hear of an autodj that can pull this off. Also you are basing it partly on AA data like Intensity & BPMs, BPM is relatively close but Intensity i've not found any way to make use of.

The fun value is there for sure. This isn't any different to cooking

Question: Will this new feature require an internet connection to be operational ?

mlefebvre · « **Reply #22 on:** October 14, 2007, 09:46:41 am »

Quote from: hit_ny on October 14, 2007, 08:23:42 am

To date i've yet to hear of an autodj that can pull this off. Also you are basing it partly on AA data like Intensity & BPMs, BPM is relatively close but Intensity i've not found any way to make use of.

While I've never really played much with auto-DJs, but I've had results that I am very happy with using Smartlists in the past. Over the years, I've created several for different uses such as "Soft Dinner Music", "Cooking Music", "Workout Music" etc... The Smartlist looks at BPM, Intensity, genre, rating, etc.

I've had many, many dinner guest that would not believe that the computer was choosing the music they were hearing all evening and how every song would go so well with the overall mood. I've had to show them MC in the the computer room while it was playing so they would believe me...

So I'm thinking that if I've been having good success, I'm sure that Matt and the boys will be able to create something that will be awsome!

I'm really looking forward to seeing and hearing it...

...Michel.

PS: These Smartlists are great on the iPod also...

lOth · « **Reply #23 on:** October 14, 2007, 04:20:09 pm »

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PS: These Smartlists are great on the iPod also...

If only MC allowed to have true dynamic playlists on the iPod like iTunes does... But I'm off topic :/

Mike Noe · « **Reply #24 on:** October 15, 2007, 06:25:33 am »

Introducting JRiver's new media center technology:

PlayLike™

blah, blah, blah

Great idea, look forward to playing around with it.

jgreen · « **Reply #25 on:** October 15, 2007, 10:40:59 am »

How about "PlaysForSure"?

jgreen · « **Reply #26 on:** October 15, 2007, 10:45:42 am »

Or maybe, "Strider HoneyMonkey"?

Matt · « **Reply #27 on:** October 15, 2007, 10:58:24 am »

Quote from: lOth on October 14, 2007, 04:20:09 pm

If only MC allowed to have true dynamic playlists on the iPod like iTunes does... But I'm off topic :/

No pork barreling.

Deivit · « **Reply #28 on:** October 15, 2007, 11:30:44 am »

I would not advise to use the word "Monkey" in this connection. Too close to the name of a competitor's product, in my opinion. I even thought that the subject of this thread was refering to some sort of compatibility with that "other" product

Being that said, I can't wait to see the feature implemented.

hit_ny · « **Reply #29 on:** October 15, 2007, 02:27:42 pm »

Well i think monkey allows a certain amount of 'lattitude' about what gets generated.

Used enough times, chances are good that one might think you had a real DJ in there somewhere.

They already got experience with this bot called sparta (with matching avatar) generating a lot of semi-sensible stuff.

KingSparta · « **Reply #30 on:** October 15, 2007, 05:17:38 pm »

I Think There MayBe A Theme Here:

"Lets Go To The Club"

"Hey Man, I'm Stoned"

"Rock And Roll" - AKA The Wheel

"APE" Audio Format, And Now "Playlist Monkey"

Whats Next For The Primitive Man, A TV Show?

joshhuggins · « **Reply #31 on:** October 15, 2007, 05:51:44 pm »

Quote from: KingSparta on October 15, 2007, 05:17:38 pm

I Think There MayBe A Theme Here:

"Lets Go To The Club"

"Hey Man, I'm Stoned"

"Rock And Roll" - AKA The Wheel

"APE" Audio Format, And Now "Playlist Monkey"

Whats Next For The Primitive Man, A TV Show?

Nice lol. 'Media Center, so easy even a caveman can use it!'

Back on topic, I like this Playlist Monkey idea a lot, if it's as simple as the smartlist to get started.

modelmaker · « **Reply #32 on:** October 15, 2007, 06:15:16 pm »

Thumbs up from me as well! I like "Auto Jukebox"

NickM · « **Reply #33 on:** October 15, 2007, 07:20:29 pm »

Having ONLY just downloaded a bit of software to do this, I am now relieved that I can go back to the single media app, MC...
I always thought that any type of auto play was like cruise control on a car.

So hit the Cruise Monkey switch !

glynor · « **Reply #34 on:** October 16, 2007, 02:18:15 pm »

Quote from: NickM on October 15, 2007, 07:20:29 pm

So hit the Cruise Monkey switch !

Be careful what you wish for...

jgreen · « **Reply #35 on:** October 16, 2007, 03:54:27 pm »

I think we should call it "Charmed Quark".

JimH · « **Reply #36 on:** October 16, 2007, 03:56:14 pm »

Careful there, Bat. You never know what it could end up being named.

jgreen · « **Reply #37 on:** October 16, 2007, 04:04:14 pm »

Oh, I suppose "Listerine" is the front-funner.

JimH · « **Reply #38 on:** October 16, 2007, 04:16:56 pm »

Quote from: jgreen on October 16, 2007, 04:04:14 pm

Oh, I suppose "Listerine" is the front-funner.

You have spies.

How about "jgreen machine"? Or Batso?

datdude · « **Reply #39 on:** October 16, 2007, 04:44:04 pm »

Quote from: jgreen on October 12, 2007, 11:36:04 pm

This is a great idea! Datdude, get a load of this!

datdude · « **Reply #40 on:** October 16, 2007, 04:57:09 pm »

You could call it Listerizer, or what about Tablister?

I'm sure you have read a bit thourgh this thread, or not, but my thoughts and a few others on it might give some good ideas: http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=41438.0

Matt · « **Reply #41 on:** October 16, 2007, 11:00:05 pm »

Tonight I was playing some music and kept skipping Joe Cocker songs that were in the mix because they weren't matching the mood. Playlist Monkey needs to take this into account and keep adjusting the playlist to reduce the frequency of music similar to what I'm skipping.

To do this, I wonder if it'd be best as a mode where Playing Now would not show the next song until moving to the next track. At track switch time, the monkey would run and grab the next song, taking the seed songs and any skips into account.

hit_ny · « **Reply #42 on:** October 17, 2007, 02:01:56 am »

Not showing the next song means you have no idea what has been chosen till it gets to play.

I was under the impression that you would be able to see the whole playlist generated.

mlefebvre · « **Reply #43 on:** October 17, 2007, 03:21:03 am »

Matt,

Will the Monkey take in account skips that are done on an iPod? I think this would be important.

...Michel

dcwebman · « **Reply #44 on:** October 17, 2007, 07:06:08 am »

Speaking of skipping, if you're going to take skipping into account for this new feature, that "skip bug" needs to be working correctly. That is, the Skip Count doesn't get updated unless you truly skip it with the FF button. I still get Skip Count updated if I stop the song before the 50% point.

Matt · « **Reply #45 on:** October 17, 2007, 08:37:58 am »

Quote from: dcwebman on October 17, 2007, 07:06:08 am

Speaking of skipping, if you're going to take skipping into account for this new feature, that "skip bug" needs to be working correctly. That is, the Skip Count doesn't get updated unless you truly skip it with the FF button. I still get Skip Count updated if I stop the song before the 50% point.

That's not a bug. You can start a new thread, but this was discussed quite a bit before.

glynor · « **Reply #46 on:** October 17, 2007, 09:23:47 am »

Quote from: Matt on October 16, 2007, 11:00:05 pm

To do this, I wonder if it'd be best as a mode where Playing Now would not show the next song until moving to the next track. At track switch time, the monkey would run and grab the next song, taking the seed songs and any skips into account.

I think it should do exactly this, but work 3-5 songs (perhaps a configurable number even) ahead. That way, you can see in Playing Now the "queued to play songs", but it'd still work this way. And the chances that it'll pick 2-3 bad songs and play them in a row is unlikely.

datdude · « **Reply #47 on:** October 17, 2007, 10:19:04 am »

Quote from: glynor on October 17, 2007, 09:23:47 am

I think it should do exactly this, but work 3-5 songs (perhaps a configurable number even) ahead. That way, you can see in Playing Now the "queued to play songs", but it'd still work this way. And the chances that it'll pick 2-3 bad songs and play them in a row is unlikely.

Agreed.

Also the skipping memory logic, would that be built in permanently overtime, or would it just be for that session? I would think it would be best for just that PN session. Though a configurable memory on/off or reset switch might be nice.

hit_ny · « **Reply #48 on:** October 17, 2007, 10:56:03 am »

For the session is what i thought it would be as well. So the next time you want another tracklist it takes note of previous skips.

...i bet there's bound to be complaints saying how *slow* or clunky it all is.

Why can't it be like Pandora !!

datdude · « **Reply #49 on:** October 17, 2007, 11:15:48 am »

Quote from: hit_ny on October 17, 2007, 10:56:03 am

For the session is what i thought it would be as well. So the next time you want another tracklist it takes note of previous skips.

What you are saying though is that it should be across multiple playing now sessions? If it is configurable to do either or, that would be good.

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