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ADMAN

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Sony Blu-ray player
« on: September 22, 2010, 02:32:45 pm »

Greetings. Noob here. Just bought a Sony970 and Sony570 for home. Had problems with video, just like everyone else. Found this site via Google after having no luck with several products like WMP, TVersity, iMediaShare, et al. So, I called Sony...

Here's a little background on my call: I told Sony that I had taken photos and video on my Sony CyberShot camera. They play fine on the camera. I told them that I copied those files onto my Sony laptop, where they also played fine in Windows Picture Viewer and WMP-11. I told them I then turned on sharing in WMP-11 to share them via DLNA to my BD devices. As expected, my PC shows up in the server menu and I can see and navigate to my shared folders no problem. I can also view my photos on my Sony TV via my Sony BD and listen to MP3 music as well. When I navigate to the videos tab, I can see the shared folder, but I cannot play and of the videos. It says "No playable files."

So, the people at Sony first told me that the 970 and 570 do not offer this feature via DLNA. So, I sent them a jpg of section from the manual and the url of the specification page from their SonyStyle site. AFter that BS was out of the way, the additonal BS continued...

I went all the way up the chain with Sony Tech. After 3 hours and 6 techs, I was told that the problem had to due with the security and anti-piracy features Sony has put into their DNLA feature set. They are aware of the problem but have not said what they plan to do to fix it.

Basically, I was told that Sony has done the following to prevent piracy: If you have a video, it needs to be DLNA certified and/or copied to a DLNA certified device. That way they can make sure it is not a pirated copy of the media. It then must be "rendered" or shared from a DLNA certified player, again to make sure it was not pirated. It can then be sent to a DLNA certified Sony BD or Sony TV that is also DLNA certified - making sure it was not pirated. The Sony "lab guy" told me that if the cerification is broken anywhere along the chain, the video will not play - aka "No Playable File."

Whatever...

So, I said: "You mean to tell me that if I take a video on my Sony camera and transfer it to my Sony laptop and then try to play it on my Sony BD/TV, it will not play via DLNA?" He said, "Not if all of those devices are not DLNA certified."

Interesting: Because, "I can to do the exact same thing and play them to a Samsung BD using the Samsung Media Share Suite and they play fine."

He said, "It's a Sony and MicroSoft thing. I suggest you should use something other than WMP-11/12."

Great. Well, I have since tried TVersity and a few other and I am still having the same problem. Likewise, I have even tried to take MocroSoft and WMP-11 out of the equation. I loaded Twonky Server on my Motorola Droid. I can share all of my photos/music/videos via DLNA. Same thing, I can view my photos and play my MP3 files on my BD/TV just fine. But, when I try to play video, I get the same message: "No playable files."

Once again, Sony told me: "Yeah. You can't play video unless every device in the chain is DLNA certified."

I asked, "Then, why can I take either of those devices and plug them into the USB port on the front of my BD and the videos play fine?" Sony told me, "It's a DLNA cerification issue."

That's when I finally gave up and ended the call...

So, here I sit with two new Sony BD players that will not stream video, regardless of the source. Not sure what more I can do at this point, other than upgrading my storage to a DLNA certified NAS and/or exchanging my players to Samsung devices.

Anyone have any other suggestions???
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Re: Sony Blu-ray players
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2010, 03:22:44 pm »

LG will also play video.  So will other DLNA devices.

DLNA certification is not the problem.  There is no certification for DLNA software.

I think Sony is just not allowing it, but did you try updating firmware?

Did you try our software?
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Re: Sony Blu-ray player
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2010, 05:39:25 pm »

Yes, I am on the latest firmware. No difference. No, I have not tried your MC software yet. I just registered here today. Gonna DL it tonight and see if there is any difference. My problem hasn't been the renderer or player, though. It's been the Sony BD unit and how it handles DLNA - or doesn't handle DLNA for that matter.

Meanwhile, I am trying to get Sony to admit the problem. But, they won't. The calls and emails are more "for entertainment purposes" now.
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Re: Sony Blu-ray player
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2010, 01:39:57 am »

Okay, Jim...

I have just installed MC-15. I have added photo/music/video file to my library. They all play fine in MC-15. I have now enabled Media Network in Services and Plug-ins and selected Options to share my Library, Lists and Views and to allow sharing with other DNLA devices on my network via Generic DNLA.

On my Sony BD player, I can see the PC shares and can view my photos and listen to mp3 music...but, once again I cannot play ANY video files. As a matter of fact, the DLNA share does not even show up under the VIDEO menu. At least with WMP-11, I can see the share and the folder, I jus cannot play anything in it.

I like your product and would not have a problem registering it. But, again, it does not work for me either.

Any other suggestions???
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Re: Sony Blu-ray player
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2010, 06:40:32 am »

I have the Sony 570 also have haven't been able to get any video t work either. I had hoped V15.113 was going to fix this but it's probably more of a Sony problem than J River. Video seems to work on Sony's PS3. I say seems to work because I am getting interruptions but I think it's the wireless network and I haven't had a chance to test hardwired playback.
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Re: Sony Blu-ray player
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2010, 12:16:30 pm »

Hey, Shrike:

Like I said, I spoke to Sony for quite some time. "It's a piracy thing." They only want you to stream the content THEY support. I'm sure you have no problem streaming YouTube or Netflix or anything else in the Sony NETWORK menu either. Right???

I'm just upset that I can't use Media Center. Right now it doesn't really do anything more for me than WMP-11/12. :(
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Re: Sony Blu-ray player
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2010, 05:45:25 pm »

Yes I can see you tube but that's not DLNA. I don't get netflix in Canada yet. I got the 570 as a package with the TV and didn't really care much but if they are saying it supports DLNA then they should live up to it. I'd like it to work now that I have the machine.

I thought from notes in this forum that V113 fixed playing to some Sony E series TV's and bluray players and was hoping for the best. Perhaps Media Centre will find a way around this yet.
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Re: Sony Blu-ray player
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2010, 05:51:42 pm »

I talked with Bob, our DLNA specialist, today.  His impression is that video works on some Sony equipment (Blu-ray players and TV's) but not on others.  He says that even on the ones where video doesn't play, they can play the same files via Samba.

Thanks for the information you've provided.  Stay tuned.
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Re: Sony Blu-ray player
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2010, 09:14:44 pm »

Thanks, Jim. Yes, I am working with Bob testing a few things via PM. I will let you and everyone else know what we come up with, if anything.

You guys rock!!!  ;D
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Re: Sony Blu-ray player
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2010, 10:23:56 am »

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Re: Sony Blu-ray player
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2010, 01:31:45 am »

Jim...Good News!!!  ;D

Bob is getting closer. I just loaded 150118_1 and ran my tests. I am happy to say that the files actually show up in the Video Share on the Sony BD now. They are all listed as M2TS files, which is obviously the BDAV Transport Stream these players/televisions need. So, here's how things went:

I first ran WMP-11 and shared the StuartLittle MPG2 video along with another 13MB MPG2 file I have been using for testing. Nothing. Got the same "No Payable Files" error as before. Here is a list of what I did test in MC-15 after that:


OLD 3GP - Video is there. No audio. Error on screen says "Audio Format not Supported."

OLD AVI - No Video. Error on screen says "File Corrupt or Unsupported."

MPG1 from Sony CyberShot - Video/Audio play fine.

MPG2 13MB Test - Video/Audio play fine.

DROID 3GP - Video plays fine. Audio plays, but a little choppy and/or out of sync.

OLDER MPG1 - Video/Audio play fine.

StuartLittle MPG2 Trailer - Video/Audio play fine.

NEWER MPG1 - Video/Audio play fine.

OLD WMV - Video Plays fine. No audio. Error on screen says "Audio Not Supported"


I will try more testing with MC150118_2 later and send you my results. I am not too concerned about some of the audio errors, as these files are very old and unsupported by most programs. Plus, I did not install any additional codecs for this test. It was pretty basic - just the DLNA Generic, DLNAExtra and MPG Mime settings we discussed.
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Re: Sony Blu-ray player
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2010, 08:04:28 pm »

Looks like V122 is going to work for me. I can see all my videos and they will play. They are playing jerky for me, now I just need to find a way to turn off wireless and try out wired.

I did try a track jump that didn't seem to work and then all I got was "File is corrupt" was was able to restart.
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Re: Sony Blu-ray player
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2010, 11:41:57 am »

Looks like V122 is going to work for me. I can see all my videos and they will play. They are playing jerky for me, now I just need to find a way to turn off wireless and try out wired.

I did try a track jump that didn't seem to work and then all I got was "File is corrupt" was was able to restart.

It could either be that your wireless can't supply enough bandwidth OR your source material is too high of a bitrate for the player to keep up with. What is your source material in general?
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