Topic: INFO: Sony Blu-ray Protection (Read 8504 times)

SamuriHL · « **on:** July 27, 2011, 06:46:58 pm »

I'm posting this as a public service announcement. Sony has been getting nasty with their "new" java protection. Specifically on Source Code, it's gotten pretty bad. The reason I mention this here is that you may get some really upset people soon who try to play these discs in MC16. There is NO WAY you will be able to ascertain the proper MPLS (they use fake MPLS files to throw people off where they introduce a fake scene into the movie and repeat it periodically). If you play the wrong one, you get the nasty protection effect. And it's not necessarily obvious. They load up these discs with 100+ fake playlists. There is no solution to this issue right now. The person playing it will need to know the correct MPLS file to play the disc properly. Peer has suggested that AnyDVD *MIGHT* be able to display the correct playlist in the status window, but, it may not be perfect and is not implemented yet.

I simply wanted people to be aware of this issue as it's going to cause some nasty issues for people playing discs directly in MC16 and expecting to get the right MPLS automagically.

JimH · « **Reply #1 on:** July 27, 2011, 06:50:08 pm »

Thanks for the heads up.

jmone · « **Reply #2 on:** July 27, 2011, 06:52:55 pm »

Yeah - so we are going to need for now a couple of things:
1) Ability to select the MPLS from the MC OSD
2) Somewhere to note the correct MPLS (eg http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=64999.0 )

The great thing about MC is how this sort of info is stored in the "Playback Info" field so that when a selection is initially made, it should be remembered for future.

SamuriHL, I presume that one thing slysoft would be looking at with their online DB is to parse out the dodgy playlists?

SamuriHL · « **Reply #3 on:** July 27, 2011, 06:53:41 pm »

You're welcome. If SlySoft manages to add a "display correct playlist" function to AnyDVD, I'll report back here, as well as I think that'd be quite useful. This makes it rather important for users to be able to easily select playlists on a disc. I'm not sure how that should work.

SamuriHL · « **Reply #4 on:** July 27, 2011, 06:54:47 pm »

Quote from: jmone on July 27, 2011, 06:52:55 pm

SamuriHL, I presume that one thing slysoft would be looking at with their online DB is to parse out the dodgy playlists?

Not that I know of. Peer's looking into adding the correct playlist into the status window. It may not always be accurate, but, it's a start at least.

jmone · « **Reply #5 on:** July 27, 2011, 06:57:16 pm »

In which case users will need to both:
1) the ability to selected a playlist
2) import a specific playlists for BD structures ripped to the HDD

SamuriHL · « **Reply #6 on:** July 27, 2011, 07:06:09 pm »

Agreed. What sucks is that we're going to get bombarded in the MPLS selection with all the fake MPLS files. I'm looking at Source Code in MakeMKV right now and it's just AWEFUL. They weeded out the identical playlists and it still lists probably 20 or so of the fake MPLS files. Unless you know EXACTLY which one is correct, you're going to pull your hair out. It might even be time for J River to consider a "seamless branching online DB" that CRC's the discs and gets the proper playlist from a DB of known discs. When a new one comes up that's not in the DB is found, HOPEFULLY AnyDVD will be able to give us the right one and the DB can be updated. This is going to get ugly.

JimH · « **Reply #7 on:** July 27, 2011, 07:11:04 pm »

Quote from: jmone on July 27, 2011, 06:52:55 pm

Yeah - so we are going to need for now a couple of things:
1) Ability to select the MPLS from the MC OSD
2) Somewhere to note the correct MPLS (eg http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=64999.0 )

Maybe on yadb.

jmone · « **Reply #8 on:** July 27, 2011, 07:17:34 pm »

Quote from: JimH on July 27, 2011, 07:11:04 pm

Maybe on yadb.

Good idea! SamuriHL - FYI, JRiver runs an online DB that keeps a bunch of meta data on discs (normally CD) - if I reading Jim's suggestion, it could be used to store meta data on Blu-rays as well including playlist info....

SamuriHL · « **Reply #9 on:** July 27, 2011, 07:20:06 pm »

Excellent. That's exactly what I was saying. It would help a lot of people because even without this stupid protection, it was already a pain for people to get it right. (Harry Potter Deathly Hallows Pt 1 ring any bells?

) So, I think this would be an EXCELLENT addition to MC16 and would give it a leg up on the competition as most everyone relies on libbluray to parse the mpls files, pick the biggest one, etc. Clearly that's not going to work anymore. An online DB would be a really good way to go.

Hendrik · « **Reply #10 on:** July 28, 2011, 02:23:01 am »

Did you actually try to play that disc with LAV Splitter? And does it fail that badly? Apparently Source Code won't be released on Blu-ray until November here...

Its supposed to try to detect repeated clips, and filter those out...

SamuriHL · « **Reply #11 on:** July 28, 2011, 07:02:46 am »

I haven't had a chance yet. I only just got it yesterday. There are only 2 mpls that are playable out of like 50+ that are fake. I'll test it in a few. It'll be quite easy to tell on this one.

SamuriHL · « **Reply #12 on:** July 28, 2011, 07:37:18 am »

Ok, just tested it. It's picking one of the fake MPLS files. This can be seen by looking at the total length of the video. The correct MPLS is 1:33:12. The one LAV Splitter picked is 1:34:22 and contains the incorrect scenes.

mojave · « **Reply #13 on:** July 28, 2011, 08:30:22 am »

It looks like the latest AnyDVD HD update might have taken care of the issue:

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6.8.5.0 2011 07 28
- New (Blu-ray): Support for new Java based protection
- New (Blu-ray): Shows good playlists of Java based protected discs
- New (Blu-ray): Updated decryption keys
- New (DVD): Support for new copy protections
- Fix (DVD): AI scanner bugfixes
- Fix (DVD): Possible BSOD if subtitle transparency was enabled
- Some minor fixes and improvements
- Updated languages

Matt · « **Reply #14 on:** July 28, 2011, 08:39:59 am »

I think Passkey may handle it as well:
http://forum.dvdfab.com/showthread.php?t=13917

SamuriHL · « **Reply #15 on:** July 28, 2011, 08:40:00 am »

Sweet. Peer said he was going to work on it. Understand, however, that he made it VERY clear that it could get it wrong quite easily. So, consider that feature experimental for now.

SamuriHL · « **Reply #16 on:** July 28, 2011, 08:42:45 am »

Quote from: Matt on July 28, 2011, 08:39:59 am

I think Passkey may handle it as well:
http://forum.dvdfab.com/showthread.php?t=13917

Negative. They handle the protection itself which is to remove the "hey dummy, stop playing copies!" message you get when playing a copy on an official licensed software BD player. But it doesn't help with the playlist selection at all.

SamuriHL · « **Reply #17 on:** July 28, 2011, 08:56:15 am »

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Summary for drive F: (AnyDVD 6.8.5.0)
HL-DT-ST BD-REGGW-H20L YL05 0010020818869E0414
Drive (Hardware) Region: 1

Current profile: BD-ROM
Media is a Blu-ray disc.

Total size: 14136768 sectors (27610 MBytes)
Video Blu-ray label: SOURCE_CODE
Media is AACS protected!
AACS MKB version 25
Removed AACS copy protection!
Note: automatic detection of region code not possible with this disc.
Java BD protection good playlists: 743, 876
Blu-ray Java signatures fixed!
BD-Live deactivated!
Sony structural BD-J protection removed!

SWEET!

jmone · « **Reply #18 on:** July 28, 2011, 04:14:35 pm »

Soooo unless the next leap is to go from knowing what the good playlist is for the player or user being able to select it.....

SamuriHL · « **Reply #19 on:** July 28, 2011, 04:16:16 pm »

Well, I'm happy to at least know the right playlist now. That's a step in the right direction. But it doesn't help a player, no.

JustinChase · « **Reply #20 on:** July 28, 2011, 04:50:04 pm »

so, Sony's plan to "stop pirates" probably took them a year and millions of $$$ to decide on and implement, millions more in bandwidth for all the players worldwide to get the updated keys/codes, and it took a day for the people they are trying to stop to circumvent it?!?!

good use of time and money I say!!

Sony should get into the mortgage lending game with that kind of business acumen!!!

Craig · « **Reply #21 on:** July 30, 2011, 04:35:58 am »

Jeez I hate Sony, you'd have though they'd have learn from the rootkit fiasco.

Craig

SamuriHL · « **Reply #22 on:** July 30, 2011, 06:21:51 am »

Yea sony has really outdone themselves. Cinavia and now this evolving java protection. Neither works.

flac.rules · « **Reply #23 on:** July 30, 2011, 12:38:18 pm »

Quote from: JustinChase on July 28, 2011, 04:50:04 pm

so, Sony's plan to "stop pirates" probably took them a year and millions of $$$ to decide on and implement, millions more in bandwidth for all the players worldwide to get the updated keys/codes, and it took a day for the people they are trying to stop to circumvent it?!?!

good use of time and money I say!!

Sony should get into the mortgage lending game with that kind of business acumen!!!

Frankly, I don't even understand how this was supposed to stop pirates in the first place. Only a selct few need to rip the disc for it to be pirated on networks. If nobody broke this ever, whats to stop theese select few to try the playlists until they find the right one, and rip the movie?

MrHaugen · « **Reply #24 on:** August 10, 2011, 07:28:54 am »

There will take plenty more years before the media business understands that Copy protection in any form is a wast of resources, and that it only back fires in the end. People are moving from physical medias to digital copies. People want meta data, images, lyrics, a good distribution platform (preferably a rather open one). Everything for at least half of what it costs on physical disks. After purchasing 3 DVD's last weekend, and having to watch trough all the commercials and movie trailers, I understand PERFECTLY well why people are becoming pirates.

If they had only started working on a common distribution platform for streaming and downloading many years ago.... Instead they sue single persons, cling on to the high prices and old business models and spend billions on copy protections that is effectively broken only days later.

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