Ive read each and every post, ironically after posting my last post
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=72058.0 on an issue(recently imported) I've yet to get resolved that i feel should just work. for some noobs like myself (and Ive used the software for years.) these types of views, should just work, and if we edit them they should be allowed to be saved forever no matter if we jump from 17 to version JRiver 70. I'm really diggen how far theaterview has come like many others here. and feel it could use alot more eye candy but all the while not forgetting about us "noobs" or less educated users, Just because jriver has10thousand features/tools doesn't mean EVEN after reading the wiki, forums that we understand how to use them, Ex. my link in this thread. I'm not exaggerating on the time I've spent trying to accomplish the task. And to be honest i don't get a big enjoyment having to come back and admit my ignorance.. and bugging others with "but but i don't get it."
you guys have seen the light and are using polls more often in 2012
start a poll. asking about these concerns to your noobs/new customers. I'm willing to bet. (I'll buy jriver a case of beer if I'm wrong.. I'll even drive it to ya chilled) that if you allow me to see the names of those voting, and I'm allowed to take out the 189 IQ guys from the polls voting (jriver affiliates, glynor, marko, jmone, carl, rickca, alexb, king sparta, scolex to name a few). your numbers would rise considerably on the confusion level/how high is jriver's learning curve poll category, Just from reading previous posts in this thread, I'm willing to bet pcstockton would be in the same poll bracket as myself... confused, given it his damnedest, and asking for help but yet still feeling lost. (I'm not speaking for you pcstockton, just gathering from reading in between the lines)
Poll suggestions how well do you understand expressions, views etc. how many of you would remember how to reset everything back up if there were a crash, how many would even bother going through all those settings, views again.how many wives GF's would allow there men to take all that time resetting everything up if it were all lost. . (standard views, theaterviews, rules, expressions)
make recently imported just work (like Rick's view I'm working on.)
make artist works as artistS(Tick boxes) so your noobs can select multiple artists for a song, and not have to worry about in the future how to use the tools that could potentially wipe out there library to switch over artist to artistS
make genre work like keywords(Tick boxes) "same as above"
all these little things confuse, and make jriver very unpleasant to deal with ... I'm not implying there's a better product, only stating that these things would make ones life easier. all these things i speak of aren't just problems for me in standard view. these are issues for me on all the other awesome features jriver has to offer(gizmo, theaterview, webgizmo), like i mentioned in post above. if i can FIGURE out this recently imported. my recently imported battle is far from over. i still need to tackle recently imported for theaterview, and gizmo so those look how i want/need them to look.
I do want to say thanks to those who have helped me in the past and continue to so i can learn and set this up the best way my family will enjoy it. thanks for all those screenshots. if it weren't for those. I'd be done for.
i guess to sum my thoughts up... I'd like to just see things work easier, so that i can spend more time enjoying, and not fixing or tweaking, and once tweaked, know that job is done for good.
and above all not have drastic changes be made. again i bring up the artist - artistS issue. artist should allow for multiple values. now we have ability to add multiple artists to artist. but yet we cannot tick the boxes, we have to know code by using Ozzy osbourne;lita ford and if we don't know how the artist is spelt, then jriver does not bring up suggestions like it does with artistS which then makes More work for us noobs. So what noobs do, we take the easy way out. and stay with the old KNOWN way artistS,and keywords, instead of artist and genre.. all the while jriver moves forward with new features, get info, etc but yet we cannot use them to there fullest because we are not using the default view. example get info. thing works great. but when you hit save info it fills in all genres with what they SHOULD be from the internet, but noobs like me having been using custom categories for years. example, kids & family. well there is no genre downloaded named kids and family, it's family. same with adventure, crime, thriller. i don't have any of those as choice for my keywords. i use action, drama, horror, horror pre 1960, disturbing and utterly strange. etc... and then due to the fact I'm using keywords get info fills in keywords with what it's supposed to, example usual suspects movie, foreign film, murder, knife, fire blah blah.. well that messes up our whole library because this whole time we've been using keywords as our genres, because ticking isn't available and there is no possible way we can remember all of our custom genres (keywords, disturbing and utterly strange, classic movies, horror pre-1960 etc..) . so now when family goes to theaterview expecting to see 10-20 genres under keywords, they see 500 keywords with knife, fire, rope, tied up, foreign...So I'm stuck having to use get info, look at the tag for genre, CHOSE which tags to use for keywords, copy those tags by using ctrl c then delete all the keywords that get info puts in keywords, then paste those from genre, then move/copy keywords over to genre. it's a major pain, when all that would need to be done would be to make genre and artist work identically to artistS and keywords. then give us long time users a safe explanation on how to move from artistS/keywords to artist/genre.
i hope I'm making some sense on how frustrating this can be(this is just a couple explanations that are extremely frustrating for someone less savvy then you 189's.
i sincerely hope I'm not the only one that feels this way, or experiences these types of things, for then i will feel like a bigger idiot then i already do when i post these topics here.