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[stewart_pk]

Quick test on one disk.  ISO rip = Folder Rip in size.

Interesting, I don't understand how the ISO could actually be larger.

[stewart_pk]

Does MC play ISO files without a third party mounting tool these days? I haven't checked, but last time I looked the Wiki suggested needing a tool to automatically mount the ISO.

I think that's the go, although I've been wrong before.

[stewart_pk]

And like I said before, there's no way you can use JRiver MC with a video calibration disc such as Disney WOW for example.
They seem to have an enormous number of titles in scattered order.

[SamuriHL]

If I were to start ripping with menus, I'd use CloneBD so I can rip out the stuff I don't need and save me some room on the hard drive.  You can keep the menus and nuke some of the titles/languages you don't want/need.  I'd gladly re-rip my most watched library with menus if they became supported.  3D does take up more space if you rip to folder.  It doesn't if you rip to MKV as frame packed which is great.  I've not tested reauthoring one with CloneBD and keeping menus to see what the size is, but, I believe it can frame pack them so you'd not have to double the size.  I could check. 

[jmone]

My understanding (from the anydvd forum) is with 3D the disk contains a virtual SSIF file that keeps the precision using pointers to the frames so they are displayed in the correct order for the two Left Right eye M2TS files.  When you rip it to folder it becomes an actual file that is the same size as the two M2TS Files.  So you end up with both 2 x M2TS Files and 1 combined SSIF.

Anyway..... For me I could not be bothered in editing down a BD to save some HDD space anymore.  Simply put disk in PC (anydvd running in the background), let MC in one click rip (as a folder) / tag / coverart etc.  Done.  Everything is there ready for when MC lets us access it with a Menu.  No re-ripping for me!

[stewart_pk]

My understanding (from the anydvd forum) is with 3D the disk contains a virtual SSIF file that keeps the precision using pointers to the frames so they are displayed in the correct in order for the two Left Right eye M2TS files.  When you rip it to folder it becomes an actual file that is the same size as the two M2TS Files.  So you end up with both 2 x M2TS Files and 1 combined SSIF.

Anyway..... For me I could not be bothered in editing down a BD to save some HDD space anymore.  Simply put disk in PC (anydvd running in the background), let MC in one click rip (as a folder) / tag / coverart etc.  Done.  Everything is there ready for when MC lets us access it with a Menu.  No re-ripping for me!

Thanks for the testing and explanation.

Yes I agree ISO just seems more trouble than it's worth.

[SamuriHL]

That works, jmone.  Everyone does it their own way which is what makes MC so powerful.  For me I've been a fan of MKV's for years now and almost always rip to MKV.  However, I couldn't afford the amount of storage I'd need to rip my whole library.  And my girlfriend wanted to watch a movie the other night that I didn't have ripped, so, I put the movie in and MC got the title wrong.  I could have spent a few minutes finding the right track and all that, but, I've found it's wise not to screw around with tech when your girlfriend simply wants to watch a movie.  LOL.  Menu support would have avoided that situation.  The MC user experience would be better, IMO, with menu support.  Those who don't want it, don't need it, or couldn't care less....hey I get that.  I'd rather have a function and not need it than need it and not have it. 

[jmone]

Spot on - It's about having the option. 

It would also mean my family could just play all BD without me having to pre-process it.  They tried to play new TV BD while I was away once and complained it only had one eps.

Your comment on Girlfriend reminds me of this old joke.

[JimH]

Your comment on Girlfriend reminds me of this old joke.

Hilarious!  Thanks.  Spot on, too.

[SamuriHL]

LOL yea something like that

[mojave]

And like I said before, there's no way you can use JRiver MC with a video calibration disc such as Disney WOW for example.
They seem to have an enormous number of titles in scattered order.

I use the Disney WOW disc just fine, but I know what you mean. I import the Stream folder into JRiver and create thumbnails. The thumbnails show you what every file is. You can delete the ones you don't need. You can also use Windows Explorer to create thumbnails to browse the disc. Other calibration discs are more difficult.

[apgood]

BD menu playback would definitely be useful for concert blurays and demonstration discs. About the only reason I still have a Dune media player still

[audioriver]

Also I don't see the benefit of ripping to ISO.  I just let MC rip to folder structure (the default), it is easy and all the info is then accessible.

AnyDVD offers some nice on-the-fly features with discs and mounted image files like removing/skipping trailers and annoying clips, PUO's, subtitle adjustments etc. You can't have those with a folder structure. I think technically it would be possible but it doesn't look like they are implementing it any time soon (they had some requests on their forums).

[jmone]

I'm not sure of how the implementation works in Kodi but a quote from one of their users:

Menus are working.
Skips FBI warnings etc., but does show trailers and goes to Menu items as it should.

[SamuriHL]

That would be very nice.  Very nice indeed.

[jmone]

UHD BDs should get basic support in the next LAV update.

Thanks - UHD BD Structure playback using the LAV Nightlies work

[rudyrednose]

Interesting radio silence from the JR team in this thread...

[jmone]

Interesting radio silence from the JR team in this thread...

Not really, we now have BD UHD Playback and discussion on the ripping side.

[apgood]

Would be awesome if it does happen.

[jmone]

Wow, this forum can be buggy.... a few posts just "disappeared", but oddly just the (joke) ones on BD Menu Support! 

Not wanting to flog a dead horse, but any hints on where JR sits with the whole BD Menu support request;
- still thinking about it
- soonish
- maybe latter
- never
- why would we, it is a never ending source of fun watching the neophytes try to wrestle with physical media instead of downloads
 
Thanks
Nathan

[jmone]

I've split out the posts on DeUHD to a new thread - UHD Blu Ray Decrypter (DeUHD)

[jmone]

Summary for this thread:
- Unencrypted UHD BD Playback support is now possible in MC (needs manual update from LAV Nightlies for now)
- Waiting to hear from JR about BD Menu support.

[jachin99]

I'm still a little confused.  I get that the unencrypted discs will be playable in MC via the LAV nightlies but will LAV support 4k resolution, and HDR 10? 

[RD James]

I'm still a little confused.  I get that the unencrypted discs will be playable in MC via the LAV nightlies but will LAV support 4k resolution, and HDR 10?

Red October HQ (madVR) supports HDR playback.
Red October Standard and HQ support 4K playback.

[jachin99]

Right but I'm asking more particularly about LAV

[Hendrik]

4K and HDR10 is already supported in the LAV version which is included in MC today. HDR10 also requires madVR, which is included as part of RO HQ.
Once there is a new release version of LAV with UHD BD support included, it'll also be included in MC.

[jachin99]

Thats where I'm a little lost I think.  When you say LAV will support UHD BD do you mean a certain file type (For example .bdmv)?  If LAV natively supports HDR10 why is mad VR required in order to use it?

[SamuriHL]

Because LAV is a decoder and passes that information to madvr which is the renderer.

[jachin99]

Got it, thanks 

[jmone]

Also, while all these BD discs sort of have the same structures, there are differences between  AVCHD, BD and UHD BD discs.  If you look at the headers of the files that hold the meta data (bdmv, clpi, mpls) about what the disc is, you can see different values:
AVCHD : 0100  (I forget what AVCHD V2 is)
BD : 0200
UHD BD : 0300

At present if you try to play a UHD BD in MC you will get some oddness (stream names are Unknown etc) as it cannot parse the 0300 files correctly to get this info (even though the M2TS will play).  The updated version does.

[apgood]

Any decision on whether bd menus will be implemented?

Would be great for my concert and demo bd's.

[Hendrik]

We're exploring our options, but its too soon to say either way. Once/If we have something to announce, you'll hear it here.

[jmone]

  - Thanks!

[apgood]

Thanks Hendrik

[eddyshere]

We're exploring our options, but its too soon to say either way. Once/If we have something to announce, you'll hear it here.

Times DO Change after all 
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,92141.msg634072.html#msg634072

[jmone]

Summary for this thread:
- Unencrypted UHD BD Playback support is now possible in MC (needs manual update from LAV Nightlies for now)
- Waiting to hear from JR about BD Menu support.

FYI - Just noticed that the (unsupported) Latest LAV Nightlies / MC combo does not support Title Selection on UHD BD playback.  I have one UHD BD when playing the rip I get the longer commentary stream not the main movie and there is no way in the GUI to change the Title as this option does not appear in the menu (not surprisingly you can also not create MPLS Title Particles either). 

For now I've had to use the "Rename, Move, & Copy Files --> Find & Replace" to change the DB to point of the correct MPLS.

[TheShoe]

Times DO Change after all 
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,92141.msg634072.html#msg634072

indeed they do

i could never get the menus working in kodi v18 and the support to do so was lacking. 

likely had to do with which version of java8 (jdk vs jre) and setting up windows environment vars properly.   gave up.  will revisit later as it was not perfect and had reported issues

[sheppaul]

It's all related to license fee after all. Simply, JRiver could not afford to do that. Free solutions? Well...

[jmone]

Sure - https://www.videolan.org/developers/libbluray.html is an open sourced library for BD. 

Freedom: libbluray is released under a Free Software license, LGPL, ensuring it will stay free.
Features: the library integrates navigation, playlist parsing, menus and BD-J.
Legal: libbluray is DRM-circumvention free, and thus, safe to integrate in your software.

LAV Filters (and hence MC) have been using libbluray for playback for ages.  It now includes support for menus but it really is up to Hendrik to comment on how "good" it is for this, and how "well" it may integrate with MC. 

[jmone]

indeed they do

i could never get the menus working in kodi v18 and the support to do so was lacking. 

likely had to do with which version of java8 (jdk vs jre) and setting up windows environment vars properly.   gave up.  will revisit later as it was not perfect and had reported issues

Had a play with BD Menus (both BDMV and Java) in VLC Nightlies (had to also install Java).  It all seemed to work fine.  I could browse the various menu options and play the content fine (tested on some Movies, TV Eps, Music Videos). 
Thanks
Nathan

FYI - VLC did not play UHD BD and I did not try all that hard to find out why.

[TheShoe]

Had a play with BD Menus (both BDMV and Java) in VLC Nightlies (had to also install Java).  It all seemed to work fine.  I could browse the various menu options and play the content fine (tested on some Movies, TV Eps, Music Videos). 
Thanks
Nathan

FYI - VLC did not play UHD BD and I did not try all that hard to find out why.

can you tell me did you install the jre or jdk and what version of java?

also did you set up the windows environment vars, eg. JAVA_HOME, etc.... and what are their values?

i do want to try this again

cheers

[jmone]

I first just installed Java from https://java.com/en/download/win10.jsp , but needed the 64-Bit version (as I had installed the 64-bit version of VLC) which I got from here - https://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp (jre-8u151-windows-x64)

[millst]

FYI, looks like we might get this in MC23:

https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,113637.msg785493.html#msg785493

-tm

[SamuriHL]

That would be awesome!