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[laser]

Hi JRiver team,

I'm trying MC on Mac and like to push audio through DLNA to my Marantz AV-8802a. Prefer to control through cell phone/pad.

After config Media network, from 8802a side, I can browse through JRiver's albums, and can play flac, .dff without problem. However, when control from JRiver MC side, when play the same .dff/.flac there is either sound or only strange sound out from speakers.

I had tried following audio config all failed:
original
specified output format: 16 bit PCM / 24 PCM / 24 head less PCM

only MP3 works. But I think most people here will not use it. ..

Any suggestions can do? Is there any further config on Randerer's setting?

Regards,
Laser

[JimH]

There is a topic on DLNA on our wiki.  It would be good to understand it and use the correct terms.

If you're playing to the Marantz from JRiver, then JRiver is the DLNA Server and the Marantz is the DLNA Renderer.

In the Media Network settings for JRiver's DLNA Server, you can specify the conversion.  Turn it off so you get the original file.

[AndrewFG]

You say it plays “strange sounds”. This suggests to me that you might have MC set up to push DOPE..

So in MC network DLNA server settings select it to push PCM L16 No Header, disable DSP, disable DOPE.

[laser]

You say it plays “strange sounds”. This suggests to me that you might have MC set up to push DOPE..

So in MC network DLNA server settings select it to push PCM L16 No Header, disable DSP, disable DOPE.

Hi Andrew,
Thanks for you reply.
Update my test result after audio set to "original" and disable DoPE
.flac .wav .mp3 work fine. 8802a can display correct format and sample rate.
.dff .dsf still no sound, title showed on 8802a's screen, but without format showed.

Is there anything else I can try? 

[AndrewFG]

Try setting it to Convert dff and dsd to PCM L16 no header..

[laser]

Try setting it to Convert dff and dsd to PCM L16 no header..

Hi Andrew,
I tried following all failed
set to specify output format + PCM 16
set to specified output format + PCM L16 no header
set to specified output format + PCM 24
set to specified output format + PCM L24 no header

original+ Bitsteam DSD (DoPE)          ---> showing PWM 176.4, no sound

--------------old fail test ------------------------------------
Original + Beatsteam DSD (DoPE) off     

I saw another post have Marantz sr7xxx working with MC22 or 23 .. and someone mentioned
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,114217.msg789714.html#msg789714  :

Make sure the volume is set to 100% or disabled. If MC is changing the bits to change the volume that can cause problems. Happens with WASAPI sometimes.

Is the volume config for local play? I think for Media Network -> add/config DLNA , if set to original, the DSP will off and should not have volume control. Am I right?
and in the working case, the setup is "Original + Beatsteam DSD (DoPE) off " .

Any suggestion to try? Should I try MC22 or MC23?



Update some log from MC24 on good .flac and fail on .dsf (original + Bitstreaming DSD (DoPE) disable)

fail case when streaming .dsf , marantz do not try to get .dsf file

3   下午9:39   Finished   192.168.1.66   M-SEARCH: http://239.255.255.250:1900*   0 bytes   0:00.000
4   下午9:39   Finished   192.168.1.100   NOTIFY: http://192.168.1.172:52102/eventSub   0 bytes   0:00.001
5   下午9:39   Finished   192.168.1.100   NOTIFY: http://192.168.1.172:52102/eventSub   0 bytes   0:00.000
6   下午9:39   Finished   192.168.1.100   NOTIFY: http://192.168.1.172:52102/eventSub   0 bytes   0:00.000
7   下午9:39   Finished   192.168.1.100   GET: http://192.168.1.172:52103/ARrl/31141.jpg   3.4 KB   0:00.003
8   下午9:39   Finished   192.168.1.100   NOTIFY: http://192.168.1.172:52102/eventSub   0 bytes   0:00.000
9   下午9:39   Finished   192.168.1.100   NOTIFY: http://192.168.1.172:52102/eventSub   0 bytes   0:00.000
10   下午9:39   Finished   192.168.1.66   M-SEARCH: http://239.255.255.250:1900*   0 bytes   0:00.000
11   下午9:39   Finished   192.168.1.66   M-SEARCH: http://239.255.255.250:1900*   0 bytes   0:00.000
12   下午9:39   Finished   192.168.1.66   M-SEARCH: http://239.255.255.250:1900*   0 bytes   0:00.000


good case to stream .flac, can find marantz try to get .flac file, can it keep increase size.

12   下午9:41   Finished   192.168.1.66   POST: http://192.168.1.172:52103/ContentDirectory/control   553 bytes   0:00.000
27   下午9:42   Writing   192.168.1.100   GET: http://192.168.1.172:52103/Music/F30652.flac   70.4 MB   
30   下午9:42   Finished   192.168.1.100   GET: http://192.168.1.172:52103/AArl/30652.jpg   26.0 KB   0:00.017
38   下午9:42   Finished   192.168.1.100   SUBSCRIBE: http://192.168.1.172:52103/ContentDirectory/event   0 bytes   0:00.000
115   下午9:43   Finished   192.168.1.1   SUBSCRIBE: http://192.168.1.172:52103/ContentDirectory/event   0 bytes   0:00.000
124   下午9:43   Finished   192.168.1.66   GET: http://192.168.1.172:52103/DeviceDescription.xml   3.4 KB   0:00.003
125   下午9:43   Finished   192.168.1.66   GET: http://192.168.1.172:52103/ContentDirectory/scpd.xml   11.1 KB   0:00.001

[laser]

Can anyone help to analyze the failure?
I captured network packets, but I'm not familiar with DLNA/UPNP.

[JimH]

Please confirm with Marantz (even the instructions) that the device plays the formats you're trying to play if you use DLNA.  The support may be only for a direct connection.

[Scobie]

Please confirm with Marantz (even the instructions) that the device plays the formats you're trying to play if you use DLNA.  The support may be only for a direct connection.

Jim the Op's original post seems to suggest that dff files play ok if pulled using the AV GUI to browse and select, it's only when pushed from the client where it fails:

...from 8802a side, I can browse through JRiver's albums, and can play flac, .dff without problem.

If this is correct the Marantz definitely supports the format.

[JimH]

"Supports the format" can be different, depending on the method of connection or playback.

[Scobie]

But isn't it using DLNA in both instances?

[JimH]

Yes, as I understand it, but we've seen devices in the past that worked in one direction, but not the other.

Capabilities should be confirmed with Marantz support.  They can test with MC.

[Scobie]

Ok got you now. By method you mean both DLNA but pull may be supported and push may not be.

Cheers.

[AndrewFG]

Please download the DMR Analyser from my sig, run the test against the Marantz, and post the renderer report here..

[laser]

Please download the DMR Analyser from my sig, run the test against the Marantz, and post the renderer report here..

Hi Andrew,
Thanks for your support! following are the report from Whitebear MRA, please help to review.

DMR Report (by Whitebear) for *AV8802
=====================================

Device Description Url=http://192.168.1.100:8080/description.xml
Description=AV PRE TUNER
Friendly Name=Marantz AV8802
Manufacturer Name=Marantz
Manufacturer Url=http://www.marantz.com
Model Name=*AV8802
Model Number=8802
Model Url=http://www.marantz.com
Presentation Url=http://192.168.1.100
Serial Number=000678281334
UPnP Device Type=urn:schemas-upnp-org:device:MediaRenderer:1
UPnP Media Renderer version=1
Unique Device Name=uuid:5f9ec1b3-ff59-19bb-8530-000678281334
Unique Product Code=123810928305
X_DLNADOC Element=DMR-1.50
Service Url for RenderingControl=http://192.168.1.100:8080/RenderingControl/desc.xml
Service Url for ConnectionManager=http://192.168.1.100:8080/ConnectionManager/desc.xml
Service Url for AVTransport=http://192.168.1.100:8080/AVTransport/desc.xml
AVT:GetDeviceCapabilities action=Supported
AVT:GetMediaInfo action=Supported
AVT:GetPositionInfo action=Supported
AVT:GetTransportInfo action=Supported
AVT:GetTransportSettings action=Supported
AVT:SetNextAVTransportURI (gapless play)=Supported
AVT:SyncPlay (synchronous play)=NOT Supported
RC:GetVolume action=Supported
RC:SetVolume action=Supported
AVT:Event Subscription=Succeeded
RC:Event Subscription=Succeeded
HTTP User Agent (client)=WinampMPEG/2.8
Play test file result=Play success => Start Ok / Stop Ok


Media Center DLNA Server Advanced Settings
==========================================

DLNA=Checked
DLNAExtra=Checked
Enable bitrate Field=Checked
Filter international characters=Off
Include session ID=Off
Playstation 3 Compatible=Off
Present Caption Resources=Checked
Present Small Artwork=Off
Present Subtitle Resources=Checked
Skip Child Count=Off
Use flat URLs=Off
Use full URLs=Off
WMC Compatible=Off


Declared Supported Audio, Image & Video Formats
===============================================

http-get:*:audio/L16;rate=44100;channels=1:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM
http-get:*:audio/L16;rate=44100;channels=2:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM
http-get:*:audio/L16;rate=48000;channels=1:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM
http-get:*:audio/L16;rate=48000;channels=2:DLNA.ORG_PN=LPCM
http-get:*:audio/mpeg:DLNA.ORG_PN=MP3
http-get:*:audio/x-ms-wma:DLNA.ORG_PN=WMABASE
http-get:*:audio/x-ms-wma:DLNA.ORG_PN=WMAFULL
http-get:*:audio/mp4:DLNA.ORG_PN=AAC_ISO
http-get:*:audio/mp4:DLNA.ORG_PN=AAC_ISO_320
http-get:*:audio/3gpp:DLNA.ORG_PN=AAC_ISO
http-get:*:audio/3gpp:DLNA.ORG_PN=AAC_ISO_320
http-get:*:audio/vnd.dlna.adts:DLNA.ORG_PN=AAC_ADTS
http-get:*:audio/vnd.dlna.adts:DLNA.ORG_PN=AAC_ADTS_320
http-get:*:image/jpeg:DLNA.ORG_PN=JPEG_LRG
http-get:*:image/jpeg:DLNA.ORG_PN=JPEG_MED
http-get:*:image/jpeg:DLNA.ORG_PN=JPEG_SM
http-wavetunes:*:audio/x-ms-wma:*
http-get:*:audio/wav:*
http-get:*:audio/x-wav:*
http-get:*:audio/flac:*
http-get:*:audio/x-flac:*
http-get:*:audio/x-m4a:*
http-get:*:audio/x-mp4:*
http-get:*:audio/aiff:*
http-get:*:audio/x-aiff:*
http-get:*:audio/dsd:*
http-get:*:audio/x-dsd:*
http-get:*:image/jpeg:*


Evaluated Supported Audio Formats
=================================

audio/L16   LPCM   Dlna   44100   1   16   Yes
audio/L16   LPCM   Dlna   44100   2   16   Yes
audio/L16   LPCM   Dlna   48000   1   16   Yes
audio/L16   LPCM   Dlna   48000   2   16   Yes
audio/mpeg   MP3   Dlna   *   2   *   No
audio/x-ms-wma   WMABASE   Dlna   *   2   *   No
audio/x-ms-wma   WMAFULL   Dlna   *   2   *   No
audio/mp4   AAC_ISO   Dlna   *   2   *   No
audio/mp4   AAC_ISO_320   Dlna   *   2   *   No
audio/3gpp   AAC_ISO   Dlna   *   2   *   No
audio/3gpp   AAC_ISO_320   Dlna   *   2   *   No
audio/vnd.dlna.adts   AAC_ADTS   Dlna   *   2   *   No
audio/vnd.dlna.adts   AAC_ADTS_320   Dlna   *   2   *   No
audio/wav   WAV   Fuzzy   *   *   *   Yes
audio/x-wav   WAV   Fuzzy   *   *   *   Yes
audio/flac   FLAC   Fuzzy   *   *   *   Yes
audio/x-flac   FLAC   Fuzzy   *   *   *   Yes
audio/x-m4a   AAC_ISO   Fuzzy   *   2   *   No
audio/x-mp4   AAC_ISO   Fuzzy   *   2   *   No
audio/aiff   AIFF   Fuzzy   *   *   *   Yes
audio/x-aiff   AIFF   Fuzzy   *   *   *   Yes
audio/dsd   DSD   Fuzzy   *   *   *   No
audio/x-dsd   DSD   Fuzzy   *   *   *   No


Evaluated Supported Image Formats
=================================

image/jpeg   JPEG_LRG   Dlna   4096   4096
image/jpeg   JPEG_MED   Dlna   1024   768
image/jpeg   JPEG_SM   Dlna   640   480
image/jpeg   JPEG   Fuzzy   *   *

[laser]

From the report, it looks like DSD is supported by 8802a.
But when I select to test DSD format, there is no test item to bring out for test. When I select flac, there are lot of test items for different sampling/channels.

Regards,
Laser

[laser]

Found another post successfully make DLNA push work for Marantz AV-8802a
Thanks for Kvothe in https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=109590.0​

Turn off "DLNAExtra" checkbox, under Tools -> Options -> Media Network -> ...Add or config DLNA server...-> Advanced -> DLNAExtra

Thanks again for who ever read/help in the post...

Regards,
Laser

[Scobie]

Well done, good pickup.

Can anyone tell me what that setting does?

[bob]

Well done, good pickup.

Can anyone tell me what that setting does?

It provides extended information in the DIDL (content directory entries) that pretty much all modern renderers should support (which is why it's on by default).

[Scobie]

Cheers Bob.