Topic: NEW: Playlist Upload to JRiver (includes media files) (Read 13055 times)

JimH · « **on:** December 20, 2018, 12:49:13 pm »

In MC24.0.70 or above, you can right click on any audio playlist of lossless files and choose Upload to Cloud. This uploads the playlist and the lossless files themselves. It inserts the new upload under Playlists > Cloud, and you can play it from any copy of Media Center. So, for example, at work, you could play a playlist you uploaded from home.

The files are stored on our Amazon S3 server. They will also be available for Radio JRiver programmers.

To upload, you need to have a Doctor Who account and be logged into it. Click the settings icon and check "Only show users and playlists that have uploaded content".

The playlist is also available from Playlists > Doctor Who.

swiv3d · « **Reply #1 on:** December 22, 2018, 03:45:55 pm »

Just a note to mention that the lossless files need to be standard cd quality - hi res files are rejected by the upload software.

TXgary · « **Reply #2 on:** January 10, 2019, 05:25:22 pm »

I converted some 128 mp3 to lossless and put in a playlist but I do not see ability to copy to cloud when I right click on that playlist. What am I doing wrong? I do have Doctor Who opened and signed in.

Awesome Donkey · « **Reply #3 on:** January 11, 2019, 03:39:59 am »

I would highly recommend not transcoding a lossy format like MP3s to a lossless format like FLAC or APE. Not only do 128kbps MP3s sound bad (in my opinion), transcoding lossy to lossless in general is frowned upon.

Transcoding lossy to lossless isn't not listed in JRiver's rules for Radio JRiver, but in my opinion it should be.

TXgary · « **Reply #4 on:** January 11, 2019, 08:31:39 am »

Got it, so all of my 100K+ music is in 128 Mp3 format.
Does that mean that I can not use JRiver's cloud for some playlists?

JimH · « **Reply #5 on:** January 11, 2019, 08:48:25 am »

Quote from: TXgary on January 11, 2019, 08:31:39 am

Got it, so all of my 100K+ music is in 128 Mp3 format.
Does that mean that I can not use JRiver's cloud for some playlists?

That's correct at this time.

TXgary · « **Reply #6 on:** January 11, 2019, 09:22:08 am »

and this is why i upgraded yesterday, should have read the post a little closer.
Jim, is there plans to add mp3?

zxsix · « **Reply #7 on:** January 14, 2019, 07:39:58 pm »

Must have embedded cover art.
I've chosen to not embed cover art.
I usually end up with 3000x3000 cover art at a size of about 5MB.
Multiply that by 12 songs = an extra 60MB of disk space. 60MB more backed up to cloud storage. 60MB more copied to portable devices. 12 files needing backed up to the cloud again if I apply better coverart down the line, etc.

Not having embedded art keeps me from using this feature and the upload to play doctor feature.
Any possibility of grabbing folder.jpg when embedded art is empty in some future build?

maddog510 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 01, 2019, 03:57:30 pm »

Quote from: TXgary on January 10, 2019, 05:25:22 pm

I converted some 128 mp3 to lossless and put in a playlist but I do not see ability to copy to cloud when I right click on that playlist. What am I doing wrong? I do have Doctor Who opened and signed in.

You are not going to achieve better quality transcoding from lossy to lossless. You need to re rip your cd's to gain the better quality.

swiv3d · « **Reply #9 on:** February 01, 2019, 04:19:55 pm »

What maddog says is very true - I should point out that the cloud upload mechanism is designed to detect flac files converted from a lossy format and prevent them from being uploaded. They only want CD quality lossless files, with embedded cover art images and they must be audio analysed.

JimH · « **Reply #10 on:** February 20, 2019, 03:08:28 pm »

I've moved this to the MC25 board since we're planning more changes.

We could use some more files for testing, if someone can upload a few playlists. Just post your Doctor Who account name here.

Currently, the old Doctor Who playlists are also showing, but we expect to remove them. Those playlists have no corresponding audio tracks, so they only play if you already have the tracks locally.

The new playlists you upload will include the audio tracks. We pay the license fees so that anyone can stream these playlists. They serve as the basis for Radio JRiver, so the more tracks we have, the better that experience will be.

More about Radio JRiver

hoyt · « **Reply #11 on:** February 20, 2019, 03:22:16 pm »

I went to upload a playlist and remembered the two main reasons why I stopped using the functionality.

The message that shows me what won't upload isn't savable. Meaning, it popped up and said 14 tracks wouldn't be uploaded. You click OK, then you have no idea what to go fix. This message shouldn't be modal.
Forcing to have embedded artwork is a big restriction. I don't always do that, but I might have artwork in a folder. I don't want to modify my FLACs to do this. MC should get the coverart on upload and embed it in the cloud copy if you want the coverart embedded.

swiv3d · « **Reply #12 on:** February 20, 2019, 04:13:26 pm »

I created a lower res flac library with embedded art on a usb drive to do the uploads from. This has the advantage of not filling up your main library with tons of duplicate files with the http:// filepath. I like a clean solution! I don't have to embed cover art into my main library files. Plus there is no way I would consider converting expensive high res files to low res in my main library.

swiv3d · « **Reply #13 on:** February 20, 2019, 05:45:01 pm »

Almost forgot!!!
Playdoctor username: swiv3D

JimH · « **Reply #14 on:** February 20, 2019, 05:55:13 pm »

Quote from: hoyt on February 20, 2019, 03:22:16 pm

I went to upload a playlist and remembered the two main reasons why I stopped using the functionality.

The message that shows me what won't upload isn't savable. Meaning, it popped up and said 14 tracks wouldn't be uploaded. You click OK, then you have no idea what to go fix. This message shouldn't be modal.

You may have tried uploading something that wasn't a lossless file. You could correct that in the playlist that you're trying to upload.

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Forcing to have embedded artwork is a big restriction. I don't always do that, but I might have artwork in a folder. I don't want to modify my FLACs to do this. MC should get the cover art on upload and embed it in the cloud copy if you want the cover art embedded.

That has come up before and we'll probably make a change for it. Do you have cover art stored as folder.jpg?

hoyt · « **Reply #15 on:** February 22, 2019, 07:12:35 pm »

Quote from: JimH on February 20, 2019, 05:55:13 pm

You may have tried uploading something that wasn't a lossless file. You could correct that in the playlist that you're trying to upload.That has come up before and we'll probably make a change for it. Do you have cover art stored as folder.jpg?

Sorry for the delay Jim. All are FLACs. But I have had some 24 bit ones rejected, which was annoying, but then I just removed them.

As far as cover art, some are folder.jpg, a few are Cover.jpg, some are [Artist] - [Album].jpg, some are [Album].jpg. But the large majority of it is in the cover art folder as specified in MC.

Realistically, if my local MC sees cover art, then the upload should just pick it up and send it. I mean that even for stuff using the rules of Series and Season.

hoyt · « **Reply #16 on:** February 22, 2019, 07:15:41 pm »

Quote from: swiv3d on February 20, 2019, 04:13:26 pm

I created a lower res flac library with embedded art on a usb drive to do the uploads from. This has the advantage of not filling up your main library with tons of duplicate files with the http:// filepath. I like a clean solution! I don't have to embed cover art into my main library files. Plus there is no way I would consider converting expensive high res files to low res in my main library.

That's a good idea. Takes extra effort, but a good way around what I mentioned. I might try to do that, it's not a long term answer, but it at least will meet the upload requirements and not change my library to suit.

swiv3d · « **Reply #17 on:** February 23, 2019, 08:36:19 pm »

It is also a good idea to set up an empty library called streaming which is used whenever you want to stream files - if you stream in your main library you get all sorts of file duplication necessitating a don't show files with a filepath starting with http:// in all of your views.

JimH · « **Reply #18 on:** February 23, 2019, 08:56:11 pm »

Quote from: swiv3d on February 23, 2019, 08:36:19 pm

It is also a good idea to set up an empty library called streaming which is used whenever you want to stream files - if you stream in your main library you get all sorts of file duplication necessitating a don't show files with a filepath starting with http:// in all of your views.

If that's still happening, it's a bug. It was fixed a few weeks ago.

audioriver · « **Reply #19 on:** March 21, 2019, 02:10:52 pm »

Trying to sign up to Doctor Who (using forum username/email) but I get: "this email address is already in use - Email has already been taken".

Is this to be expected and a different email is required?

JimH · « **Reply #20 on:** March 21, 2019, 04:00:26 pm »

It will be tomorrow before we can check. Sorry.

Axilian · « **Reply #21 on:** March 22, 2019, 04:24:05 pm »

As I previously posted in the cloudplay thread - I can't even access playlists I previously uploaded before I upgraded to MC - I don't understand it at all and am getting no error messages - Is there anywhere a log is kept of inputs/outputs so I can get at least an idea of what is going on as all the other internet dependent services appear to working fine

JimH · « **Reply #22 on:** March 22, 2019, 04:32:32 pm »

Quote from: Axilian on March 22, 2019, 04:24:05 pm

As I previously posted in the cloudplay thread - I can't even access playlists I previously uploaded before I upgraded to MC - I don't understand it at all and am getting no error messages - Is there anywhere a log is kept of inputs/outputs so I can get at least an idea of what is going on as all the other internet dependent services appear to working fine

It's likely our problem. Please stand by. We'll fix it next week.

Axilian · « **Reply #23 on:** March 26, 2019, 05:01:31 pm »

tried upgrading to 25.016 - tried uploading and playing again but still not working - MC is acting differently however which I've posted in the cloudplay thread in case it helps

UPDATE: Working - Seems a problem with chromium for me - working with IE as default browser

swiv3d · « **Reply #24 on:** March 29, 2019, 03:48:04 pm »

Quote from: Axilian on March 26, 2019, 05:01:31 pm

UPDATE: Working - Seems a problem with chromium for me - working with IE as default browser

That's odd 'cos I am using chromium with no problem ?

Axilian · « **Reply #25 on:** March 30, 2019, 11:50:18 am »

I think JimH posted that there was an issue with chromium in another thread and there was a fairly easy fix as it was to do with a cookie if I remember. Anyway happily working for me

JimH · « **Reply #26 on:** March 30, 2019, 01:25:35 pm »

If you have a problem with MC when it's using the Chromium browser engine, try logging in outside MC in the Chrome browser. That should set the cookie so MC then works.

Axilian · « **Reply #27 on:** March 30, 2019, 03:28:48 pm »

JimH could you post how to log in to Cloudplay outside MC in the chrome browser please - I know you put a link in a thread somewhere on the forum but I can't find it

- for some stupid reason my MC25 seems to be resetting to the
chromium browser all the time so I need to set the cookie

JimH · « **Reply #28 on:** March 30, 2019, 04:24:44 pm »

Quote from: Axilian on March 30, 2019, 03:28:48 pm

JimH could you post how to log in to Cloudplay outside MC in the chrome browser please - I know you put a link in a thread somewhere on the forum but I can't find it - for some stupid reason my MC25 seems to be resetting to the
chromium browser all the time so I need to set the cookie

Sorry.

Here's the address:
https://user.jriver.com/

Search for "web browser" in MC's settings. You can change it there.

Axilian · « **Reply #29 on:** March 30, 2019, 04:56:23 pm »

Thanks

Unfortunately that hasn't fixed the other problem I'm having - last night I could upload a play list with media to cloud and the play list would appear under my username Axil. I have tried to upload a new playlist today and I can clearly see the progress but the playlist doesn't appear in cloud play, However it does appear under the left side menu cloud and clearly have the address of the offsite server as the source (see below -have just copy and pasted the first track in the list to show)

When I click on the list to play it's definitely streaming (when I disconnect from internet the music stops so it's not playing a local copy ) - I'm just not sure why it doesn't show up on the cloudplay screen

Seq Name Artist Album Rating Genre Track # Duration Bitrate File Type Date Filename
1 01 Temple Head Transglobal Underground Run Devils And Demons (flac) ? stars World 5:02 960 flac http://RadioJRiver:0QIhGt1d3gAkvr5NSNXKVO2lGXDg7ieo+DIEL6a2Y7Rau7c1lAlOJGpNFcvLbhdOe0xmrJgOWe3VPHQSHyu2K6fs5NjIjCQFF0cGSuXsPT9HIBl0IFap0nsR6o99GCFXn2pn0oE98FxLBQrUK1aKxWpljCFFhyXrZlfDR6t/CCxdhnOCBbyqQ+7/TH

JimH · « **Reply #30 on:** March 30, 2019, 05:24:22 pm »

We're making some changes to encourage better playlists.

I believe the current requirement is 10 tracks or more. Less than that will only be displayed to the user who uploaded them.

We also removed a lot of one track playlists.

We'll try to document this better next week.

Axilian · « **Reply #31 on:** March 30, 2019, 05:30:16 pm »

thanks that may explain why I'm having issues tonight - the play list I showed below btw is actually 20 songs long but it's not appearing at all in cloudplay - hopefully it's just a glitch and will sort itself out

JimH · « **Reply #32 on:** March 30, 2019, 05:43:45 pm »

What is the playlist named? Try giving it a name that describes it. Not "test", for example.

Axilian · « **Reply #33 on:** March 30, 2019, 06:09:11 pm »

It's called Upload3 - has 21 tracks with a total playtime of 2:01:04 . Also If I try to upload the original playlist (with local media) back up to the cloud it reports. I've Tried Making another playlist with the same local tracks (called Dance) and tried uploading that also but atm the upload progress bar just flicks through each track *about 1 track per 2 seconds) and then reports the playlist failed to upload in a pop up box but complete on status action bar (weirdly when i click on the playlist under cloud the tracks appear to be the same ones that were uploading previously under the Upload3 name (see attached) . It also saves a copy of the Dance.mpl file to my desktop

swiv3d · « **Reply #34 on:** March 30, 2019, 06:11:56 pm »

I can't see it listed under Axil in cloudplay, just testie and upload 1.

Axilian · « **Reply #35 on:** March 30, 2019, 06:35:31 pm »

same here - but it's definitely playing from somewhere off my home network ( all i can think of is it;s on the Radio JRiver server (see the address on my posted attachment) but not feeding through to cloud play / doctor who) When I attempt to upload I do get a confirnatory email to my gmail account cloud play is linked to (see the one for playlist dance below)

mediacenter at jriver
11:01 PM (30 minutes ago)
to me

30 Mar 18:01 Download link: Dance Link to copy/paste into station file: https://s3.amazonaws.com/content.jriver.com/users/2281/44616e6365.mpl

but clicking on the download link just reports no files at location

swiv3d · « **Reply #36 on:** March 30, 2019, 06:36:45 pm »

Just trying an upload now to see what happens.

JimH · « **Reply #37 on:** March 30, 2019, 06:38:41 pm »

Axilian,
Are you using MC 25.0.17?

swiv3d · « **Reply #38 on:** March 30, 2019, 06:41:34 pm »

Just downloaded your mpl file by using your https reference and it is playing nicely!

JimH · « **Reply #39 on:** March 30, 2019, 06:46:21 pm »

Quote from: Axilian on March 30, 2019, 06:35:31 pm

30 Mar 18:01 Download link: Dance Link to copy/paste into station file: https://s3.amazonaws.com/content.jriver.com/users/2281/44616e6365.mpl

but clicking on the download link just reports no files at location

If you click on that link, it should download. If you then drag it to MC, it should play. I'm playing it. 21 tracks, beginning with "Temple Head" and ending with "Sun Rising".

You can also copy the link and do MC File > Open URL. That works.

Try switching your web browser in MC.

Axilian · « **Reply #40 on:** March 30, 2019, 06:58:55 pm »

Can Confirm I'm using 25.017 64 bit version in normal install onto my D: drive (so not in C;\program files so there should not be issues with UAC)

I just tried reuploading th Dance playlist but just got the same thing as i described earlier have made a brand new play list aaaaaaa which has 15 new files in it - it's uploading atm (taking it's time as the files are are being sent rather than skipped)

aaaaaa playlist upload just completed - had exactly the same think - pop up box says the file failed to upload - status box says upload progress complete (pic attached) anf the streaming playlist appears under cloud left hand menu but not in cloud play

swiv3d · « **Reply #41 on:** March 30, 2019, 07:05:21 pm »

Ok, so uploaded a new classical set - everything went well until the final - failed to upload playlist warning. the .mpl file appears on the desktop but when played the first track is always skipped to the second track - I have never seen this behaviour in previous uploads so something is clearly wrong. The playlist doesn't appear in the cloudplay listing.

Axilian · « **Reply #42 on:** March 30, 2019, 07:07:45 pm »

Quote from: JimH on March 30, 2019, 06:46:21 pm

If you click on that link, it should download. If you then drag it to MC, it should play. I'm playing it. 21 tracks, beginning with "Temple Head" and ending with "Sun Rising".

You can also copy the link and do MC File > Open URL. That works.

Try switching your web browser in MC.

Yep I can definitely download & play the stream (and since you can it;s there

) though if I link the download link 'Dance' (rather than the url) i get the attached browser error. I just can't figure why it doesn't show under Axil in Cloudplay

Axilian · « **Reply #43 on:** March 30, 2019, 07:10:21 pm »

Quote from: swiv3d on March 30, 2019, 07:05:21 pm

Ok, so uploaded a new classical set - everything went well until the final - failed to upload playlist warning. the .mpl file appears on the desktop but when played the first track is always skipped to the second track - I have never seen this behaviour in previous uploads so something is clearly wrong. The playlist doesn't appear in the cloudplay listing.

same as me then - at least I'm not unique - time for bed for me - past midnight but at least the error i was getting is reproducible that gives more of a chance of finding out what's going on

swiv3d · « **Reply #44 on:** March 30, 2019, 07:11:06 pm »

My upload is
https://s3.amazonaws.com/content.jriver.com/users/2321/436c6173736963616c203139.mpl

Does track one play for you? You don't need to listen any further as I guess classical isn't yours bag.

JimH · « **Reply #45 on:** March 30, 2019, 07:18:58 pm »

Quote from: swiv3d on March 30, 2019, 07:11:06 pm

My upload is
https://s3.amazonaws.com/content.jriver.com/users/2321/436c6173736963616c203139.mpl

Does track one play for you? You don't need to listen any further as I guess classical isn't yours bag.

It works. I like classical a lot and listen to it often.

What is the playlist named on Cloudplay? Did it get added?

Apparently not.

Try switching the browser engine in MC settings.

Axilian · « **Reply #46 on:** March 30, 2019, 07:21:32 pm »

track 1 (Max Bruch) played fine once i downloaded the stream (don't worry about the classical I have about 200 classical lps cds and SACDs

myself ) - the play list does'nt show up in cloudplay though - ok better get to bed - night all

UPDATE before I go - I've tried switch back and fore with browser , for me both do the same behaviour (now i sorted the cookie for chromium)

swiv3d · « **Reply #47 on:** March 30, 2019, 07:22:54 pm »

It is classical 19 - on reupload I still get the fail to upload playlist but when I play the desktop .mpl it now plays the first track. but the playlist doesn't appear in the cloudplay playlist section under my username. I have switched between IE and chromium a couple of times and it makes no difference.

swiv3d · « **Reply #48 on:** March 30, 2019, 07:26:27 pm »

As track 1 didn't play for me after the failed but successful upload ? could it be something to do with your attempt to remove single track playlists?

JimH · « **Reply #49 on:** March 30, 2019, 07:29:57 pm »

Probably not. How are you trying to play it? MC > File > Open URL worked for me.

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