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JimH

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Here Comes the Bride
« on: September 03, 2003, 03:58:22 pm »

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You - you gents, remove your hats. If anybody
here objects to this union, let him speak now or forever hold his peace. ...


We're about to release 9.1, so this is your last chance to get up on the old oak box and sermonize, rant, rend asunder, in general, have at it.

Why should this lady not sail now?

Listening to: 'Mambo Birdland' from 'Mambo Birdland' by 'Tito Puente' on Media Center 9.1
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2003, 06:14:46 pm »

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We're about to release 9.1, so this is your last chance to get up on the old oak box and sermonize, rant, rend asunder, in general, have at it.

Why should this lady not sail now?

Listening to: 'Mambo Birdland' from 'Mambo Birdland' by 'Tito Puente' on Media Center 9.1


Please don't let her out yet!  The "lady" needs  a "Right Click-File Properties" option/command/whatever it's called, and I'll explain why.

When I purchased MJ8, I purchased it because I fell in love with the app. It did everything that I wanted. Except it had a major flaw that I was unaware of, it didn't apply the IDv2 tags correctly. I discovered this after ripping over 250 CDs.  :(

So, after much debating about upgrading to 9.x, I upgraded with the idea of holding off purchasing the upgrade until 9.1's official release. After discovering some issues that have been resolved in the last 3 builds, I'm thinking that she's getting better, but she still needs that "Right Click-File Properties" option/command/whatever it's called.  Because without it, it's darn near impossible to edit the tag info for multiple files.

Let's take the Dream Theater (I know, not everyone's cup of tea, but this in as example.) files that I have, all 267 of them. Now, in order for me to fix the IDv2 issue created by MJ8 I can, as it stands now, update each file individually or re-rip my entire Dream Theater catalog. ? This is just an example of the 3,600+ files that I would have to do this to. :(

However, if I had the "Right Click-File Properties" option/command/whatever it's called function, I could do just that for all the files at once, change some like the comment field (which is completely gone in build 244 btw) and TA-DA!!! Updated with proper IDv2 tags, and I've saved a considerable amount of time.

I believe that it would be very beneficial to have the "Right Click-File Properties" option/command/whatever it's called function for new users as well. It would be ultra confusing for someone to try and edit the file properties when they are use to the traditional "Right Click-File Properties" function.

This is, and has been, my biggest gripe since I've "updated" to MC9. There's been some other issues that haven't been resolved, but I can live with them for now as I'm sure that they will be tended to in future builds. So Jim, please consider putting that function back in because that, I feel, is a major issue with the lady. After that, I hope she has a peaceful voyage! ;)
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2003, 06:18:32 pm »

Thanks for the details.  You can edit file properties in 9.1 by selecting all the files, then hitting alt-enter to get the action window, then navigating to File Properties/Detailed Info.

Will that work?

We will still add a few finishing touches, but we don't want to rely heavily on Right Click, since many users never try it.
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2003, 06:55:18 pm »

Jim,

Yeah, it works, although it's a little confusing and intimidating as there is a lot of info there to work with. There's nothing about this ALT-ENTER in the help file. In fact, It doesn't appear that the help file has been updated since 9.0.180.

Where do you want me to post about little quirks and other things that I'd like to see looked at in a little more detail?

I still think that it needs a "Right Click-Properties" function. If I start a petition on another thread, then will you consider it a little more?
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2003, 07:17:51 pm »

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...sermonize, rant, rend asunder,...


This is really none of the above, but my one and only concern, beef, annoyance, what have you is MC's non-failing propensity to benignly crash after four to five continuous, uninterrupted hours of playback.  It will just begin looping the last 100 ms or so of current track (whichever one is playing at the time of the crash).

I reported this a couple of times beginning at build 9.1.179 I believe.

It's easy to duplicate.  Just add any ape file to an empty Playing Now window, make sure you are in repeat mode so it will play the song over and over again, start playing, mute the volume, and go to bed.  By the time you wake up in the morning, you will hear it stuttering.

This is an annoyance only because I tend to queue up a set of songs when I begin my work day, and usually by 1 or 2 p.m. without fail MC will be hung up.  (95% of the time I can just click on the Stop button, but 5% of the time I have to end the task.)

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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2003, 07:37:02 pm »

I don't think she should leave the dock until:

  • DVD playback is resolved

  • The help file has been updated

  • Any file within the playing now window can be selected for playback without all of the other files being removed.

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Listening to: 'On Green Dolphin Street' from 'The Guitar Artistry of Ulf Wakenius' by 'Ulf Wakenius' on Media Center 9.1
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2003, 08:01:12 pm »

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Thanks for the details.  You can edit file properties in 9.1 by selecting all the files, then hitting alt-enter to get the action window, then navigating to File Properties/Detailed Info.

Will that work?

We will still add a few finishing touches, but we don't want to rely heavily on Right Click, since many users never try it.


It "works" but it's really kludgey. MC's power is in its orginizational abilities. Those abilities depend on properly filled out tags. Doesn't it make sense then that getting to those tags should be as easy as possible?
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2003, 09:05:07 pm »

OK, maybe this is too much of a stretch, but I'll toss it out there.

Seems to me that "Detailed Info" is what everyone wants direct access to.  That could be achieved by having it as a default icon in the Action window right?

Now, you already "remember" the last item selected.  By that I mean, if I click on File Properties, then select Image, then click the back arrow to get to the Home of the Action Window, "Image" shows up as an option on the Home page.  If I then go to File Properties>Detailed Info>Back Arrow, the Image icon is gone from the Action Window home but it's been replaced by the Detailed Info icon.

Nice touch, but what would be ideal would be for folks to customize the Action Window.  In other words, choose the icons that show up by default on the Home of the Action Window.  Is this possible?  Probably not, but it's worth a shot.

Aside from that, you might want to re-think what you have on the home page.  Perhaps making "Detailed Info" a default option, and moving CD functionality to an additional page.  I don't know about you, but I don't Burn CDs that often, if anything Rip CD should be there, but I've got the toolbar buttons for both those functions so I really don't need either.  Just a thought.

And as a side-note, I really don't think "Detailed Info" is that intuitive to non-MC9 users.  They tend to think of tags don't they?  Perhaps changing the wording.  I don't have a great proposal..let me think on it.  ;)

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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2003, 09:15:30 pm »

I don't think that even putting Detailed Info on the Home Page is enough. If the AW is buried in Playlists somewhere, that's still a bunch of clicking to get back to DI.

I do agree, though, that the wording should be changed. Maybe to something that actually makes mention of file tags....
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2003, 09:38:18 pm »

This post is entirely besides-the-point as to whether 9.1 should set sail now or not.

But since the topic was brought up here, I'd like to give my buck two ninety eight to this point:

I go to context-sensitive menuing (right-click menus) first and foremost for every application that I first venture into.  When I expect to see some common action on the right-click and I don't: I panic (for some definition of panic) and begin hunting around the application thinking "No! No! It can't be true!"

I think of the context-sensitive menu selection as "most commonly used actions, followed by next most commonly used actions".  There is no reason to skimp on features found there: on the contrary, I think that one must consider how many features can be fit on there without making it unwieldy.

It is much easier to right-click and find the action you need for a given object or collection of objects than to hunt around menus or hover over buttons hoping for popup help ( when popuphelp is implemented ), and context-sensitivity is well-implemented by Microsoft applications (the most commonly used example that I can think of is the File Explorer: I use the right-click menuing system there all the tme.  Right-click -> Delete.  Right-click -> send to.  Right-click -> open with..  Right-click -> Properties.  Right-click -> copy.  Right-Click -> cut.  Right-Click -> Paste...  The good stuff is all right there for the File Explorer.)  Other windows-savvy apps follow the same paradigm (right-click: clock-on for a timesheet/project app.  right-click: mark for an audio-editing app.)

This is by no means an argument as to whether or not a context-sensitive option for tag modification should be created for a multiple-selection collection of objects (tracks).   That's for y'all to decide.  I was just surprised to read up there ^^ that "no one thinks to use right-click menus".  I feel just the opposite.

Curious to know if any others feel this way.


P.S.  As long as we're talking paradigm: What would it take to make the SPACEBAR equal to a Play / Stop toggle?  This is common amongst all the audio editing apps that I use (Cakewalk, Wavelab, Cooledit, Sound Forge, Nuendo..).  Drives me nuts that the spacebar doesn't work as expected on my favorite playback application (Media Center)


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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2003, 09:38:24 pm »

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I don't think that even putting Detailed Info on the Home Page is enough. If the AW is buried in Playlists somewhere, that's still a bunch of clicking to get back to DI.

Yes, I tend to agree. I'd also like to see what someone else was asking for - the return of the grouped/collapsible subcategories when showing "All categories" as this also allows for ease of use when editing tags.  I used to quite often have both "General" and "Expanded" open in a window so that I could edit tags in bulk easily.
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2003, 09:41:57 pm »

Give us toolbar buttons for everything you can think of (as per other recent thread).  Then no one can complain they don't have direct access to what they use most often.
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2003, 09:43:51 pm »

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This post is entirely besides-the-point as to whether 9.1 should set sail now or not.

But since the topic was brought up here, I'd like to give my buck two ninety eight to this point:

I go to context-sensitive menuing (right-click menus) first and foremost for every application that I first venture into.  When I expect to see some common action on the right-click and I don't: I panic (for some definition of panic) and begin hunting around the application thinking "No! No! It can't be true!"

I think of the context-sensitive menu selection as "most commonly used actions, followed by next most commonly used actions".  There is no reason to skimp on features found there: on the contrary, I think that one must consider how many features can be fit on there without making it unwieldy.

It is much easier to right-click and find the action you need for a given object or collection of objects than to hunt around menus or hover over buttons hoping for popup help ( when popuphelp is implemented ), and context-sensitivity is well-implemented by Microsoft applications (the most commonly used example that I can think of is the File Explorer: I use the right-click menuing system there all the tme.  Right-click -> Delete.  Right-click -> send to.  Right-click -> open with..  Right-click -> Properties.  Right-click -> copy.  Right-Click -> cut.  Right-Click -> Paste...  The good stuff is all right there for the File Explorer.)  Other windows-savvy apps follow the same paradigm (right-click: clock-on for a timesheet/project app.  right-click: mark for an audio-editing app.)

This is by no means an argument as to whether or not a context-sensitive option for tag modification should be created for a multiple-selection collection of objects (tracks).   That's for y'all to decide.  I was just surprised to read up there ^^ that "no one thinks to use right-click menus".  I feel just the opposite.

Curious to know if any others feel this way.


P.S.  As long as we're talking paradigm: What would it take to make the SPACEBAR equal to a Play / Stop toggle?  This is common amongst all the audio editing apps that I use (Cakewalk, Wavelab, Cooledit, Sound Forge, Nuendo..).  Drives me nuts that the spacebar doesn't work as expected on my favorite playback application (Media Center)


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I agree 100%.
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2003, 10:08:11 pm »

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I go to context-sensitive menuing (right-click menus) first and foremost for every application that I first venture into.  When I expect to see some common action on the right-click and I don't: I panic (for some definition of panic) and begin hunting around the application thinking "No! No! It can't be true!"

I think of the context-sensitive menu selection as "most commonly used actions, followed by next most commonly used actions".  There is no reason to skimp on features found there: on the contrary, I think that one must consider how many features can be fit on there without making it unwieldy.

Interesting. I agree that context sensitive UIs are really very good. In fact that is one of the reasons for me that the old properties window and now the new Action Window are so really good. In fact the Action Window reminds me a lot of being an updated NextSTEP/OpenSTEP Inspector - something that I like alot.

So the comment is perhaps that navigating the Action Window is still not easy enough. I agree that the "typical" windows interface loads lots of stuff onto the right-click menu, however that can get rather long if you are not careful. (You should see my system if I right click on a folder in Explorer!!! :-/)

So to me the question then becomes, how to best show the range of options available in the Action Window. I don't think that hiding your location in what is a hierarchical selection (as the Action Window currently does) is what is required. A dropdown/popout menu selection of where you are would help. For a while there we had a navigation submenu in the menu for the Action Window - however that was a little clunky to use as it's location in the menu was too context sensitive!! :-)
Although if that was the only option I'd welcome it back.

A specific seperate menu that allowed navigation through the Action window would be my vote. Personally a "popout" menu like MacOS or NextSTEP would be my vote - though some people may find that as not "windowsy" enough.

Just another 2cents with interest!
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2003, 10:37:00 pm »

I'll add my weight to the "quicker access to 'file properties" movement. I really really miss that "click the border, choose from props, playlists, stats, image, info"
It was pretty useful.

And this one, really important for me anyways, if it is for you, please please post and say so....

Can the search bar be set to search on the active list. This behaviour we have atm is really awkward.


The tagging mode thing still happens (limited options being presented) but I'm learning to work around it as it's obviously not causing a furore.

Edit: That red was a bit garish, huh ;)
Toned it down to navy :)
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2003, 10:39:17 pm »

I have no problem with the right click menu, I use it a lot too.  But we have to remember that MC will also be used by people who just want to to play music and may not be all that computer literate.  These people will expect the most commonly used functions to be available via a left click.  I still find it amazing that you cannot access the various Play options via a simple single left click.  

This for me is an absolute must (unless you want to send the bride to the church to find that the best man forgot the ring).
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2003, 10:42:43 pm »

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I'll add my weight to the "quicker access to 'file properties" movement. I really really miss that "click the border, choose from props, playlists, stats, image, info"
It was pretty useful.


I agree. This was a very comfortable and quick way to get to properties. If miss it too.  :'(

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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2003, 12:18:23 am »

I agree with the right click debate.

Things I'd like to see in relation to that:
  • Properties added back as an item
  • A sub menu called: Action Window > - that then had a way to navigate the action window from right click(normal right click - not in the AW). All the AW windows could then get added to right click 'sticky' items giving instant access to any window we wanted which would make a LOT of us happier.



    Also would like (supposedly we're gonna get them anyway) - more toolbar options for the 'Location' Bar.


    Some way in the SDK to get a list of ALL fields available for a file - this is important for plugin development!


    Small but would mean a LOT:  The MC tree should just stay exactly as it was between opening and closing MC (right now it all closes up which is just a tad bit of a hassle)


    Right click on the task bar has 'Exit' as an option - EVERY other windows program has 'Close' - so right clicking and pressing C to quickly close MC as I do with all other app's fails every time and gets a bit annoying - Could exit be replaced with Close or could C just be added as a choice to access 'Exit' so it follows standard windows behaviors.


    No chance of getting it but I might as well say it anyway seeing as you asked for us to speak - File Properties grouping is still almost totally useless - we need to be able to create custom groups and customise what properties appear in which groups so we could easily just create customised groups for our:  Video, Audio, Images - etc.
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2003, 12:23:26 am »

Personally I am not worried about an easy way to get to file properties specifically as I do all my tag editing in the panes.  However what would be nice is an easy way to jump back to home in the AW to restart navigating.  At the moment if you are nested a couple of layers deep the only way is to use the back button.  The back button was a great addition but I dont think it should have replaced the home button.  Home too would make the AW navigation perfect for me...

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« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2003, 12:37:24 am »

A few others:


Auto Resizing pane widths so we can actually make good use of grouping levels for say Artist, Album, etc - right now they just take up way too much width meaning the real artist and album fields no longer fit on screen properly when using a few panes.

Grouping for things like time, dimensions, filesize etc dont work.

Searching by date - this is still a matter of getting out a calculator and working out how many seconds in a time interval - this needs to be improved to something more useable.

Needs to be some way to modify panes to the left without the panes to the right resetting!!
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« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2003, 12:44:35 am »

One small thing I noticed in the last few builds.  When you have action window set to image, if you select more than one file the AW display changes to say something like inside files even if all files are using the same cover art...is this simply because they are stored in the files?  If so I will just link to the file as I have all cover art stored as folder.jpg in the artist directory...just might be confusing for someone expecting to select an albuma dn see the cover art...

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« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2003, 01:39:40 am »

Mentioned this before - will again.

With file types other than jpeg (eg. bmp) - we have no image options for rotating, resizing etc - this makes no sense??
Rotating a bmp  should be the same process as rotating a jpeg.
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2003, 01:43:59 am »

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We're about to release 9.1, so this is your last chance to get up on the old oak box and sermonize, rant, rend asunder, in general, have at it.


Does this mean, no more builds until 10 ( when will that be released) ?

If so, my vote goes for cue sheet support in 9

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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2003, 03:25:19 am »

Although the bride normaly speaks with a lovely clear voice, she stutters like a crazy woodpecker when she changes her stream partner... it would emphasize her beauty a lot if she would be silent under these circumstances and her lover can just read a promising "buffering..." in her shiny eyes... even her grandmother did it with grace.
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« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2003, 03:57:52 am »

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It is much easier to right-click and find the action you need for a given object or collection of objects than to hunt around menus or hover over buttons hoping for popup help ( when popuphelp is implemented ), and context-sensitivity is well-implemented by Microsoft applications (the most commonly used example that I can think of is the File Explorer: I use the right-click menuing system there all the tme.  Right-click -> Delete.  Right-click -> send to.  Right-click -> open with..  Right-click -> Properties.  Right-click -> copy.  Right-Click -> cut.  Right-Click -> Paste...  The good stuff is all right there for the File Explorer.)  Other windows-savvy apps follow the same paradigm (right-click: clock-on for a timesheet/project app.  right-click: mark for an audio-editing app.)


This is the point that I've been trying to make for a week! Thanks for summing it up for me! ;D
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2003, 04:20:11 am »

Before we ship, we will fix Help and access to properties.  We'll also add some more buttons.
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2003, 04:22:16 am »

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Before we ship, we will fix Help and access to properties.  We'll also add some more buttons.

YIPPEE!!!!!!! ;D
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2003, 04:33:46 am »

I don't know if there's any need to have an entry for AW in the right click menu of track lists that just acts as a "remote" for opening or closing the AW...

If you want to do something in the AW, you will have to move the mouse to the AW anyway - you can open it there... If you want to close AW to see more of the tree while you are working in the tree, I guess nobody will move the mouse to the tracklist and right click to close the AW...

I think most people would expect that they get properties in the AW when they right click the AW entry... now the AW closes or opens with the same content as before...

My suggestions (for the right click menu in track lists):

Just leave the AW entry for the remote freaks.

For those who like "WYSIWYG", add an entry "File Properties" to the menu (like in the old days...) and let it have a sub menu where you can select from "Detailed Info", "Image", "Statistics", "File Type Info" and "File Playlists" to open that in AW directly... Would that hurt anybody?


EDIT: I changed the post a little bit because I was wrong with that "second" menu entry for AW... forget about it, sorry, I hope the post is clearer now :P
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2003, 04:41:26 am »

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P.S.  As long as we're talking paradigm: What would it take to make the SPACEBAR equal to a Play / Stop toggle?  This is common amongst all the audio editing apps that I use (Cakewalk, Wavelab, Cooledit, Sound Forge, Nuendo..).  Drives me nuts that the spacebar doesn't work as expected on my favorite playback application (Media Center)


I agree 200% :)
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2003, 04:50:09 am »

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For those who like "WYSIWYG", rename the second AW entry to "File Properties" and let it have a sub menu where you can select from "Detailed Info", "Image", "Statistics", "File Type Info" and "File Playlists". Would that hurt anybody?


I liked MJ8's way of doing it, Right-Click -> Properties, and then you had the tabs on top to pick between "Detailed Info", "Image", "Statistics", "File Type Info" and "File Playlists". That would be the cat's meow!!!! ;D There could be buttons on top to do the same thing so it has the same look and feel as the rest of the app.
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2003, 05:02:39 am »

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I liked MJ8's way of doing it, Right-Click -> Properties, and then you had the tabs on top to pick between...


Well, it's the "last chance to rant", so...

Yeah, I'm still missing that, too! (HOWLING)

But I suspect we will have to get married to that "squeezed properties" bride or stick to the grandma' :P Maybe the daughter will do it better...
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2003, 07:55:52 am »

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Before we ship, we will fix Help and access to properties.  We'll also add some more buttons.


...and then let Her fly :D

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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2003, 08:03:16 am »

My 2 cents...

The action window is GREAT but I agree with the comments that it should be customizable and have some wording changed.  There are things in there that I never use and some of the stuff I want is 2 or 3 clicks deep.

I also agree with the right click posts.  I use it as much as possible in every application I can.  In fact an application that doesn't do a good job of making the right-click menu context sensitive feels incomplete.  

I use it as a learning tool as well.  When I'm not sure what something is or what I can do with it, I always right-click to see what its primary uses are.

As always thanks to JRiver for listening to their dedicated (but picky) users!!!
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2003, 08:32:12 am »

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Why does Properties not follow the currently playing file? It is very irritating to have to keep clicking on the currently playing file to update Properties.  This should be totally automatic.


We've been over this countless times. If it worked the way you want it to, then we'd have to be listening to a song if we wanted to edit its properties. You think it's irritating now? Think of how irritated everybody else would be if they couldn't work on tagging files while listening to something else. Or listening to 20 seconds of a song while they changed the Rating. Or having to add all of the files they wanted to work on to Playing Now.
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« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2003, 08:57:07 am »

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We've been over this countless times. If it worked the way you want it to, then we'd have to be listening to a song if we wanted to edit its properties. You think it's irritating now? Think of how irritated everybody else would be if they couldn't work on tagging files while listening to something else. Or listening to 20 seconds of a song while they changed the Rating. Or having to add all of the files they wanted to work on to Playing Now.


I agree with you on this in the track area.

In the Action Window Playing Now, the highlight bar SHOULD follow the current track, it doesn't.

And Images should have an option or maybe Image-Selected and Image-Current choice.
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2003, 11:42:08 am »

I've deleted some messages that listed feature requests.  I'm not asking for a wish list here.  I just need to know if you think there are "show stoppers" still there.

We know about the speed issue.  We know about getting to tagging more easily.  Hearing about any other BIG problems would be appreciated.  

LITTLE problems and wishes will wait for 10.0.

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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2003, 11:44:37 am »

She shouldn't set sail until she'll play DVDs.  I haven't switched (though not for lack of wanting to) from PowerDVD yet.
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2003, 12:07:09 pm »

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I've deleted some messages that listed feature requests.  I'm not asking for a wish list here.  I just need to know if you think there are "show stoppers" still there.

We know about the speed issue.  We know about getting to tagging more easily.  Hearing about any other BIG problems would be appreciated.  

LITTLE problems and wishes will wait for 10.0.



Jim, what about the jerky visualizations? I posted about them [link=board=MediaCenter;num=1062627131;start=0#13 date=09/04/03 at 07:45:51]here[/link] and I haven't heard anything about them. It happens not only in visualizations, but when I'm also moving the mouse or tabbing between fields, and visualizations aren't even running. Will this be looked at before she sails?
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« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2003, 12:17:51 pm »

If you're talking about 2d visualizations, it may be part of the speed problem.  If it's 3d, that's "normal".
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« Reply #39 on: September 04, 2003, 12:24:28 pm »

Theres a few little things, but its worked well for me for many builds. I say 'I do' - assuming that minor inconsistencies as mentioned here and elsewhere are gonna be picked up in the amazingly regular new builds you guys produce. If, as has been hinted, big things are on the horizon and that means 9.1 stops here then Id say give it a short while and polish it to perfection. But I think the big things are driving the release now - I guess only you can make the call.

Any road - if you stop it all now Ill be happy. MC9.1 is such a step forward, its been a pleasure - especially the GUI wars, which I thought really brought MC on.

Listening to: 'A Punchup At A Wedding.' from 'Hail to the Thief' by 'Radiohead' on Media Center 9.1
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #40 on: September 04, 2003, 01:04:33 pm »

Talking about visualizations: bring back w00t please before release.(tried to install again in .244 but no luck)

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Although the bride normaly speaks with a lovely clear voice, she stutters like a crazy woodpecker when she changes her stream partner...

same here, it's annoying to close and restart MC after a short stopover at a webstation

Playback of .dat files? A tiny chance at least?

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« Reply #41 on: September 04, 2003, 01:24:23 pm »

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Just leave the first AW entry for the remote freaks.

I wouldn't call my self a remote freak but I would really love to be able rate the currently playing track using MC.  I really don't want to have to use another program.  MC 'nearly does it all for me'.
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« Reply #42 on: September 04, 2003, 01:29:19 pm »

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I wouldn't call my self a remote freak but I would really love to be able rate the currently playing track using MC.  I really don't want to have to use another program.  MC 'nearly does it all for me'.


Why can't you?
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« Reply #43 on: September 04, 2003, 01:33:29 pm »

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I wouldn't call my self a remote freak but I would really love to be able rate the currently playing track using MC.  I really don't want to have to use another program.  MC 'nearly does it all for me'.

Oops! I admit it.  That was an incey wincey feature request.  This one isn't:

I agree with Nila that we should be able to customise the groups that tags are shown in within properties.  The functionality is there in Tree & View Settings but it's invariably greyed out.  Why have it if we can't use it?  is it just a tease?
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« Reply #44 on: September 04, 2003, 01:36:27 pm »

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Why can't you?

Not using remote control settings within MC unless I've missed it.  I think its a big omission from the RC controls list.
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« Reply #45 on: September 04, 2003, 01:39:24 pm »

Ah, ok... I kind of misunderstood that it was a remote control you guys were talking about. I thought the original post just meant "remote" as in a way to open the AW that didn't mean actually clicking the AW button...
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« Reply #46 on: September 04, 2003, 02:01:14 pm »

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Ah, ok... I kind of misunderstood that it was a remote control you guys were talking about. I thought the original post just meant "remote" as in a way to open the AW that didn't mean actually clicking the AW button...


Yes, the post was about the right click menu of track lists and it's Action Window entry... I edited the post to make it clearer  ;)
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« Reply #47 on: September 04, 2003, 02:07:03 pm »

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If you're talking about 2d visualizations, it may be part of the speed problem.  If it's 3d, that's "normal".


It happens with all visualizations and even when I move my mouse across the screen or tab from field to field, so I hope it's the speed issue that will be addressed before she sets sail. ;)
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #48 on: September 04, 2003, 05:35:36 pm »

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I'm not asking for a wish list here.  I just need to know if you think there are "show stoppers" still there.



Album thumnails view does not work in playlist or in playing now. I know it is not a bug, neigher a BIG problem. But it is a important consistency issue. Consistency is important. It is surpring it does not work.

Would be possible to fix that?
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Re: Here Comes the Bride
« Reply #49 on: September 04, 2003, 06:41:46 pm »

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In the Action Window Playing Now, the highlight bar SHOULD follow the current track, it doesn't.

And Images should have an option or maybe Image-Selected and Image-Current choice.


If there is one thing that bothers me, it is this.  When I have 600 files in Playing Now, but I started it 8 hours ago, I have to search and search to find what's playing now.

Also, someone mentioned how when you click on a file to play it, everything else in Playing Now is erased, and the entire list of files in that folder or smartlist you're looking at is added instead.  I don't like that either.

Overall, a great, great media player, but those are my two beefs.

Good vibes,
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