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[zevele10]

Listening to: 'Sarcopbagus' from 'In their Darkened Shrines' by 'Nile' on Media Center 9.0

This album is a masterpiece
Not only a metal masterpiece , but a rock album masterpiece.

Record like this one helps you cleaning your shelves or your hardrives.... You feel that there is a lot of stuff you will never play again after listening to it...

On Emusic and  russians

[DocLotus]

Compared to what?

I'm not a metal man myself.

[zevele10]

cannot tell you.

If you listen to it you may be stuned by the noise/violence of the music.
At the same  time you may be amaze by all the things ,ideas there is in this record.

It is not easy listening ,far far from it.

On AMG they speak about the band in a very accurate way , have a look

[MachineHead]

Not for the average Joe to be sure.  

Listening to this is like getting beat up by the neighborhood bully. But it doesn't leave any marks.  

I have to be in the right state of mind when I go for this really gloomy stuff. Opeth is 'easier' to take on a daily basis. Try Blackwater Park. Phenomenal album, but be prepared for marathon length tracks. The Funeral Portrait and Blackwater Park are my two favorite tracks on this one.

Deliverance is good, too. Just haven't heard it enough to pick out which tracks I like the best.

[LisaRCT]

One problem I have with 'Metal Records" is that they wear out the 'needle' too quickly    

[xen-uno]

My favorite "metal" album (excluding any Led) would have to be Judas Priest's "Sad Wings of Destiny". Dreamer Deceiver has simply one of the best guitar licks in it ever. "Victim of Changes" causes major earthquakes, too. I've never seen Uriah Heep genre'd as metal, but if so then "Demons & Wizards" is quite tubular as well. I'll have to listen to Sarcopbagus...I love gloomy when done right.

R_x

[MachineHead]

It's Sarcaphagus. Emusic has a tag error here. There seems to be quite a few, but easily remedied in MC.

Listening to: 'Unas Slayer Of The Gods' from 'In Their Darkened Shrines' by 'Nile' on Media Center 9.0

This one sneaks up on you...

[MachineHead]

One problem I have with 'Metal Records" is that they wear out the 'needle' too quickly    

You should see what it does to your harddrive seeker arm(s).  

[zevele10]

Well , any Judas  Priest sound like a sweet MTV song compared to the metal i listen to.

This is not a judgement concerning  Judas Priest-

I may put Uriah Heep in the 'circus metal look alike ' if this categorie exist. Beside it i had the first albums from them and liked them.

I do not have any hard-rock , metal culture.In the cyrcles i was part of , to say an album or a singer sound 'hard' [means hard rock ] was a very strong and negative statement

Blue Cheer ,Led Zep and Black Shabbat was acceptable , but nothing past this.

Now ,beleive me or not ,i played for the first time in my life an ACDC record not long ago - when a friend lent me few hundreds cds-
I played the live album : i cannot imagine how such poor music ,songs ,players can be so hudge.......they are not worse than G&R,but not far...

I started to listen - as a joke- to some metal records from my partners . The ' Satan my friend have a drink with me ,i just killed a goat ,here is the blood ' side was really funny.

In France i heard from my nefews Nine .... and Ministry.
WhaOu ,this was good

The day i played a Nile cd . I just stopped anything ,wake up from my chair in front of the computer and ,during all the time of the cd looked at my speakers in a state of amazement.

From this day ,i listen to metal ,but only this kind . Not the average fare . Industial metal ,extreme grindcore , brutal hardcore metal and drone metal.

On the softer side i discovered Doom and Funeral metal , a much easy listening but with really good bands.

So i put some metal in my psy-garage- punk listening.
I am building my Metal section on my computer right now- i have around 5000+ songs for now ,but many of them will get the 'delete ' traitment after listening to it.

Listening to radio right now- at 9:AM ,you cannot listen to any kind of extreme metal ,can you?....

[xen-uno]

Zev,

Circus Metal? Funeral Metal?

I wonder what Metal Metal would sound like. Would it be ultra-gloomy like Mach was talkin about?...or would it bring back the fire that is teenage deliquincy?

10^-27

[zevele10]

Circus metal was a joke concerning Uriah Heep

Funeral doom metal is even more doom that doom metal
Drone metal is kind of noise.

Doom metal is a BlackShabat 7" played at 33rpm
Funeral doom metal is the same 7" played at 16 rpm

Drone metal is still this Black Shabat 7" played on at  16  rpm on a old disc player with almost dead batterys and without a stylus.

There is a kind of 'metal-metal' - i understand what you mean -
It is all the 'nu-metal' like Slipknot , Korn ,M Manson and many others.
Yes ,they are not that much on the sunnypop side .

But in a word where the next big hit song  may be not 'I wanna be adored' but 'i wanna be a suicide bomber' are you surprised?

Can you imagine the M.Manson succes in a society  who is not sick ?

For a part , metal looks like a way to evade all the everyday s..t.

This is not without danger  , cheap paganisme is the way  to nazisme ideologie  and things like it.

Of cause i mean for tennagers.
At my very old age ,i make fun of 'the circus' ,only the music is important

[Mastiff]

zevele, have you heard DoomSword? That's pretty good doom metal, not of the slowest kind, but still clearly doom. And of course there's the swedish Candlemass. But if you want to go really extreme without even touching metal try to get something by Gothminister. It's sort of like a noise version of Rammstein. And there's my old danish favourites, Mercyful Fate. If there's a milestone within black metal it's "Don't Break the Oath"! Of course Dimmu Borgir and a bunch of other norwegian black metal bands really knows what they're doing as well. Finally, as a contrast I love Ayreon, Therion, Nightwish, Trans-Sibirian Orchestra and Beto Vasques, who uses choir and opera vocals with metal. Delicious!  

[Neanderthaler]

Zevele, You can not compare Nile with Judas priest
It would be the same to compare pop with classic.
I like Nile aswell as I like Judas Priest, Heep, Sabbath, Zep, etc.
Listening to Nile, Bal Sagoth, Deicide or other metal bands of this kind can't be done on the same day as I listen to Priest,
However if you are impressed by Nile than listen to "the crown" you would be impressed asswel
Not so fast but it seems to me more skills are available there

[zevele10]

Neanderthaler

More skills than Nile??!!!!!!
Right now downloading 3 albums from Emusic.
So i will "see" and tell you.

I do not compare J Priest and Nile.
Only ,as i said having never listened to hard-rock and listening to metal since no more than 2 years , to me 'the first wave' of metal sounds like hard rock- Iron M or J Priest ,to me it is more or less the same.

Again ,i do not make any judgement. I know that for my 'metal since ever 'friends J priest and M. Fate are landmark bands.

Listening to: 'Exciter' from 'Unleashed in the East (Live in Japan)' by 'Judas Priest' on Media Center 9.0

To me it sounds like hard rock ,not metal .

[xen-uno]

> to me 'the first wave' of metal sounds like hard rock

Very well put...I'd have to agree. Probably why I really dislike some classifying Led as metal.

How bout Ultra Metal, Max Metal, or Pedal Metal...are these genre's used yet?

Listening to: 'Kashmir' by 'Led Zeppelin' on Media Center 9.0

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[Neanderthaler]

"More skills than Nile?!!!!!! "

This is only my opinion, as it is yours to disagree on that.
For me speed alone is no skill, and nile is using only speed with rare changes.

As far as I know the term heavy metal was used far before any so called death, doom, black, speed metal was used.
So it is again in my opinion to define zeppelin, priest, purple as heavy metal
Hard rock is more used in styles like bad company, the free, but than again who can say what the difference is between all these so called styles.
I know i never understood the difference between Hair metal and heavy metal, like I don't understand what style indie rock means, I know it comes from independant rock, but than again every style can be done on an independant lable, as goes for Garage rock!!!!, everybody can start a band in his garage (asuming you have one) does that mean you all play the same style?
I think it a load of rubbish to lable evry sort of music.
I can define 2 styles perfectly, the ones I like and the ones I dislike

[MachineHead]

I can define 2 styles perfectly, the ones I like and the ones I dislike

Best genre description I've heard yet.  

[zevele10]

Listening to: 'World Below' from 'Crowned In Terror' by 'The Crown' on Media Center 9.0

HEY HEY ,that is good ,very good ...but not at the same level than Nile in my opinion.

Mastiff

I found few songs from both on they sites.
DoomSword is good ....
but  Gothminister is just GREAT

I need this record , really- notice the NEED ,not want.....

I start to taste the 'choir and opera vocals with metal' genre. To be fair ,right now because i found it weird , but there is very interesting creations in this field.

Most of the french doom metal bands use kind of chamber orchestra - i'am not mad about this-

The last 2 very good records i bought :
Dolorian ,gorgious melodic doom
and Agalloch kind of sad ,symphonic doom  mix with folk metal ,early Katationa.
They music is so sophisticaded that you may think they are from Europe , but in fact they are from north USA

One band i like very much is My Diying Bride .


If you use Emusic ,they have a fantastic catologue of metal.
There is a legal russian site who has TONS of europeen metal from Poland ,Estonia ,Serbia , Russia , Northen Europe ect ect .
I'am right now downloading all they have....

Thank you very much both of you for the bands names.

Xen, do you know :
oriental doom metal ?
Mesopatamien [?] metal?

Orphaned Land
Melechesh
Both from the very country of milk and honey as they say.....

Early metal sounds like NWOBHM - Iron Maiden and others-

In France us - the rock/punk people called this music 'moule boules'

moule from to mould
boules from balls
Because of the black plastic and  very tight  pans they all had.....

Neanderthaler

Of cause ,as you say ,it is only opinions.
But  Nile records ,and they last even more are full of inventions ,creativity.

I never heard a metal record having only 20% of the creativity,inventions of the last Nile records.


And i do not think they play that fast ,they music is a noisy wall ,but it is not speed.
Anyway ,almost 4:Am here ,doom or not time to go to bed.

In 2 days ,we have Vader in concert here.

Next subject : grindcore.
Who listing to it ,like it ?
Me ? Of cause i like it

[xen-uno]

I love the sound of certain words and phrases, and wow..."Mesopatamien Metal" is there!

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[zevele10]

Listening to: 'Assyrian Spirit' from 'As Jerusalem Burns Al'Intisar' by 'Melechesh' on Media Center 9.0

Mesopotamian Black Metal from Jerusalem

[trussing]

This album is a masterpiece
Not only a metal masterpiece

Thanks, I just added that to my ever-growing list of oxymorons.

[trussing]

Can you imagine the M.Manson succes in a society  who is not sick ?

Yes, I can.  This is because I try not to judge people by the music they listen to.  However, I can't help but judge people who make comments like this.  Was this a criticism of American society?  Please help me understand how you became the Ultimate Judge of All Music.

And no, I am not a fan of Marilyn Manson.  Never even heard a single song of his from end to end.

[zevele10]

how you became the Ultimate Judge of All Music-=-=

I can be what i want as long as other members have fun from it and post .
Anyone can be what he wants here as long as.....

-Was this a criticism of American society?=-=-=-=-

YES it is . Why ,you want anyone singing 'i'am white and proud in god i trust '

Sorry but there is more than this kind of people on earth-- because of it it is still a place where you can enjoy life.

I did not speak about the M Manson's music - who is a fair nu-metal- but about the lyrics that thousands and thousands of young americans take like 'they bible'.

Maybe it is beyond your understanding ,but popular music is a very accurate way to understand a country.

In this case to see that part of a society has lost part  of the rational behaviour.

Or ,like here ,with hard present times ,uncertain future the main 'new music ' is compilations of music from the 40' up to 5-7 years ago .
A country unsure ,in a state of fear and anguish finds some reconfort looking back , at the 'old good times'
Kind of Freudien desir to be back in the mother matrice.

If you take french rap ,the words are full of violence.
Not the stupid Hollywood violence from us ganster rap.

But violence of everday life . Racism ,police , problems with indentity , religion ,roots.
A copy of all the problems you can read about in any newspaper or report concerning this matter.

Of cause ,it is good to just take a riff in the ears and enjoy it.
But at the same it is necessery to go beyond it.

Like a cage in the zoo : there is living creatures on both sides of the bars.
Up to anyone to stand on one side or the other.

The best is to try to stand on both ,just changing side from time to time

[trussing]

Your grammar is too poor to decipher reliably...  But in any event, I find it truly odd that your anti-American sentiments fly right by the avid censors here.  Whatever...  Back to listening to people who count and have something valid to say.

[MachineHead]

Your grammar is too poor to decipher reliably...  But in any event, I find it truly odd that your anti-American sentiments fly right by the avid censors here.  Whatever...  Back to listening to people who count and have something valid to say.

And you are to judge?

He is entitled to his opinion. English is not his native tongue. And a little truth sometimes is a hard pill to swallow. Do not pass judgement on someone who gets a view of us from half a world away. And one that is quite accurate, most of the time.

[zevele10]

IF YOU I WOULD TRY TO EAT MORE BRAN.

It helps to have a good transit.

You may feel better.
SORRY
I do not have any tip concerning decaying brains

[trussing]

And you are to judge?

He is entitled to his opinion. English is not his native tongue. And a little truth sometimes is a hard pill to swallow. Do not pass judgement on someone who gets a view of us from half a world away. And one that is quite accurate, most of the time.

Let me get this straight: You are coming down on ME for speaking back at this guy for anti-American sentiment, but at the same time condoning his wide-sweeping negative generalization of an entire society, based on next to nothing?

You are telling me not to pass judgment (by the way, that's the correct way to spell that big word), but you are giving the nod to his ability to judge us from "half a world away".  Does this ring clear?  You should be telling HIM not to judge from half a world away.

[trussing]

IF YOU I WOULD TRY TO EAT MORE BRAN.

It helps to have a good transit.

You may feel better.
SORRY
I do not have any tip concerning decaying brains

Ah, yes--when you have nothing intelligent to say, insult the other person.  Works every time.  It also makes you look oh-so-mature.

And I'm glad to see you took the forum user agreement seriously, since you have violated it several times now:

You agree, through your use of this Media Jukebox forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of ANY law. This is not only humorous, but legal actions can be taken against you.

I'm sure you can look up some of those tougher words.  It has been nice chatting with you.

[JimH]

Trussing, I know who you are.  If you'd like to stay and play, you're welcome.  Just leave aside the acrimony (if that's how it's spelled).  No more flag waving.  No more fighting.  The glass is half full.  Your IQ is OK.

Zevele's English sometimes leaves a different impression than he means, I think.  I know my French does and his English is way better than my French.