Topic: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer (Read 109600 times)

ppataki · « **Reply #100 on:** October 25, 2021, 01:45:52 pm »

Some further update: tried JRVR on HP Laptop with Intel 620 GPU and 4K HDR Tone Mapping works like a charm!
(using Hable)
The only problem is that playback randomly stops in like every 5 minutes, not sure if others have experienced the same....
Thank you

ppataki · « **Reply #101 on:** October 25, 2021, 02:26:53 pm »

Tried with Red October Standard too, just for testing purposes: it randomly stops playback too
Maybe this is a generic issue with the latest release (28.0.78)? Or maybe the problem is with my laptop...?

JimH · « **Reply #102 on:** October 25, 2021, 03:42:05 pm »

Does anything play that file successfully?

ppataki · « **Reply #103 on:** October 25, 2021, 03:45:34 pm »

Sorry, just turned out to be a USB HDD connected to the laptop...as soon as I disconnected it everything went fine
Sorry for the false alarm!

JimH · « **Reply #104 on:** October 25, 2021, 05:07:02 pm »

Thanks for reporting what you found.

afss_br · « **Reply #105 on:** October 26, 2021, 06:05:16 am »

Anxiously waiting for the BT2020 output option

Smack · « **Reply #106 on:** October 29, 2021, 05:44:45 am »

Quote from: afss_br on October 26, 2021, 06:05:16 am

Anxiously waiting for the BT2020 output option

Me too. Need the tonemapping hdr sdr for my projector.
Hopefully a 1050ti will do the job since the
RTx gpus are way too expensive

Hendrik · « **Reply #107 on:** October 29, 2021, 06:17:27 am »

28.0.80 is available now and supports configuring the output colorspace.

jmone · « **Reply #108 on:** October 29, 2021, 06:20:42 am »

BT2020 output option is available now, but you may find DCI-P3 a better option given no screens can do 2020 but most have pretty good DCI-P3 coverage. Give it a go. Looks great!

Smack · « **Reply #109 on:** October 29, 2021, 09:00:29 am »

Any chance a 1050ti will do the tonemapping (HDR->SDR) and upscale from HD to UHD? MadVR wasn't able to do it (you need at least a 1080TI for that)??

afss_br · « **Reply #110 on:** October 29, 2021, 02:24:34 pm »

Quote from: Hendrik on October 29, 2021, 06:17:27 am

28.0.80 is available now and supports configuring the output colorspace.

Awesome, JRiver rocks !! Very fast customer response

Thank you, will be testing tonight.

jmone · « **Reply #111 on:** October 29, 2021, 02:58:51 pm »

Quote from: Smack on October 29, 2021, 09:00:29 am

Any chance a 1050ti will do the tonemapping (HDR->SDR) and upscale from HD to UHD? MadVR wasn't able to do it (you need at least a 1080TI for that)??

Even my iGPU can do this with JRVR.... and my 1660Ti does it with ease. Give it a try.

mattkhan · « **Reply #112 on:** October 29, 2021, 05:24:47 pm »

Quote from: jmone on October 29, 2021, 06:20:42 am

BT2020 output option is available now, but you may find DCI-P3 a better option given no screens can do 2020 but most have pretty good DCI-P3 coverage. Give it a go. Looks great!

It's just over saturating if the display expects bt2020 but you give it dci-p3. It's the old preference vs reference discussion of course but I think it is misleading to link these things (what the display can do in practice, what format the display expects)

Smack · « **Reply #113 on:** October 30, 2021, 12:02:23 am »

Quote from: jmone on October 29, 2021, 02:58:51 pm

Even my iGPU can do this with JRVR.... and my 1660Ti does it with ease. Give it a try.

Thanks. As soon I'm getting the GPU i will try it

Could you tell me what the next feature SuperRes Enhancement does (maybe a upscale feature from HD to UHD with the same quality MadVR does)??

jmone · « **Reply #114 on:** October 30, 2021, 12:44:56 am »

I don't know the details of this, we will have to wait and see when Hendrik implements superres.

Hendrik · « **Reply #115 on:** October 30, 2021, 02:36:58 am »

SuperRes is a post-processing filter that reduces upscaling artifacts and increases sharpness. madVR supports it as well.

pillepalle123 · « **Reply #116 on:** October 30, 2021, 03:33:20 am »

Hi,
will there be something like HSTM (MadVr) implemented?

tij · « **Reply #117 on:** October 30, 2021, 04:52:12 am »

Quote from: pillepalle123 on October 30, 2021, 03:33:20 am

Hi,
will there be something like HSTM (MadVr) implemented?

I dont think its on list to do yet ... Hendrik said he will work on features next (stat overlay, control overlay, disk menu, etc)

downtothebone · « **Reply #118 on:** October 30, 2021, 05:59:12 am »

Apologies if this is a silly question - but would we still use Lavfilters as well. I'm using MC26 with Madvr and Lav at the moment. I'm upgrading to MC28 once JRVR has 'settled in' with its core features.

mattkhan · « **Reply #119 on:** October 30, 2021, 06:16:45 am »

Quote from: pillepalle123 on October 30, 2021, 03:33:20 am

will there be something like HSTM (MadVr) implemented?

HSTM is just a tone mapping algorithm, jrvr has a couple of options here already implemented

Smack · « **Reply #120 on:** October 30, 2021, 06:43:55 am »

Just a silly question. If I’m using the dci p3 option which is new in the latest beta I have to choose an my projector the dci calibration setting and use this as a standard setting ? I do not have to switch the setting on my projector even if I’m playing a Blu-ray? So the setting is standard and I could watch uhd or Blu-ray if I may?

afss_br · « **Reply #121 on:** October 31, 2021, 09:07:09 am »

From my subjective observations, the video renderer is working really well - it definitively rivals MadVR (after tweaking some of the options) - Thank you JRiver for the very good job on this one !!

SamuriHL · « **Reply #122 on:** October 31, 2021, 06:40:11 pm »

Definitely liking this a lot. Finally got my laptop set up. It's got a 2080 under the hood so it's got some definite power. I have some questions. One of the things I do because I'm on an LG OLED is that I set the second display to 2160, 23.976, YCbCr 444 limited. Hendrick, can there be an option to set JRVR to FULL video levels? It would be extremely helpful.

I seem to be getting some dropped frames but that's likely cause I'm scaling (playing with that now) 1080p->2160.

So far this is extremely promising. Video looks great.

gworrel · « **Reply #123 on:** October 31, 2021, 08:11:34 pm »

Wow. Just read about this a couple of days ago and tried it tonight playing A Quiet Place 2, UHD Blu Ray. Amazing difference. I had turned off MadVR because I must have screwed it up somehow and it was crashing playback. With this new JRVR, I just turned it on. Going back and forth between standard and the JRVR, the difference is quite dramatic on my JVC RS400 projector. Well done. At the risk or screwing it up, are there any settings to consider changing?

Hendrik · « **Reply #124 on:** November 01, 2021, 02:47:35 am »

Quote from: SamuriHL on October 31, 2021, 06:40:11 pm

Hendrick, can there be an option to set JRVR to FULL video levels? It would be extremely helpful.

JRVR will currently always target full levels with no option to change it.

Smack · « **Reply #125 on:** November 01, 2021, 03:10:56 am »

@hendrik: Any chance there will be a FI implemented (1080P 23,976 fps -> 4K 60 fps)? If so i think i will need to have a high end gpu, right?

JimH · « **Reply #126 on:** November 01, 2021, 06:57:35 am »

Quote from: Smack on November 01, 2021, 03:10:56 am

@hendrik: Any chance there will be a FI implemented (1080P 23,976 fps -> 4K 60 fps)? If so i think i will need to have a high end gpu, right?

Hendrik is on vacation this week.

Smack · « **Reply #127 on:** November 01, 2021, 08:08:56 am »

Thanks for the info. He earned it

SamuriHL · « **Reply #128 on:** November 01, 2021, 08:22:06 am »

Quote from: Hendrik on November 01, 2021, 02:47:35 am

JRVR will currently always target full levels with no option to change it.

Well that certainly helps me.

Thanks and enjoy your vacation.

Hendrik · « **Reply #129 on:** November 01, 2021, 01:45:24 pm »

Frame interpolation is not currently planned.

Smack · « **Reply #130 on:** November 02, 2021, 12:38:08 am »

Thanks Hendrik maybe in the future? Now get back to your holiday

Desktop Videophile · « **Reply #131 on:** November 05, 2021, 04:47:08 am »

Hope the Auto detection of black bars ,Zoom,cropping and stretch feature to remove Black bars from video is soon incorporated.

Smack · « **Reply #132 on:** November 05, 2021, 05:02:35 am »

If all the requested features will be implemented who needs madvr anymore?

murray · « **Reply #133 on:** November 05, 2021, 11:12:19 pm »

Quote from: Smack on November 05, 2021, 05:02:35 am

If all the requested features will be implemented who needs madvr anymore?

Maybe for madvr NGU.

jmone · « **Reply #134 on:** November 06, 2021, 01:02:38 am »

Quote from: Smack on November 05, 2021, 05:02:35 am

If all the requested features will be implemented who needs madvr anymore?

I think the aim is to have:
1) A great cross platform Renderer,
2) with the key features, and
3) without needed to delve into '00's of options and settings.

That said, for a perfectionist that wants to tweak parameters to get the very best possible image for their particular setup...madVR will still be available.

These days, I want something that "just works" and looks great = JRVR

JimH · « **Reply #135 on:** November 06, 2021, 08:02:58 am »

Quote from: jmone on November 06, 2021, 01:02:38 am

I think the aim is to have:
1) A great cross platform Renderer,
2) with the key features, and
3) without needed to delve into '00's of options and settings.

Yes! And efficient, so it runs on low end machines if possible.

Smack · « **Reply #136 on:** November 06, 2021, 09:14:14 am »

Quote from: JimH on November 06, 2021, 08:02:58 am

Yes! And efficient, so it runs on low end machines if possible.

Exactly. I don’t want to buy as gpu just to use madvr. I hope the quality is almost as good as madvr. If that’s the case you got another customer.

Like I said before. For me the most important feature will be

HDR Dynamic tonemapping (because my projector is capable of displaying 4K but not hdr)
A good upscale from FullHd to 4K.

And this with a gpu less than a 1070 gtx or a AMD if it’s any good.

What would be nice to have is FI. But this is not to important to me.

lboregard · « **Reply #137 on:** November 06, 2021, 09:14:28 am »

Hello all,

I just got JRiver 28 and will straight up begin using Red October JRVR (preview), coming from Red October HQ, but never having tweaked it.

Any settings I should change or just let it do its thing ?

SamuriHL · « **Reply #138 on:** November 06, 2021, 10:22:34 am »

I'm also rooting for JRVR to succeed in a big way. My HTPC is currently dead and sitting in a corner. There are MANY issues with rebuilding it. What I'm seriously considering instead is building some low cost linux machines for not just my living room but also my bedroom and use JRVR to watch the content from my NAS in any room. This will include tone mapping to SDR for my plasma in the bedroom, to watching HDR content on my OLED in the living room.

One feature I would absolutely LOVE, LOVE LOVE to have. I want to output HDR to my OLED. I would LOVE to tone map all that HDR content to 870 nits. I don't need all the wonderful options that madvr has for custom curves and all that. Something similar to what the Panasonic UB820 does would be more than sufficient for me. What this does is puts my OLED into its "best" tone map curve for HDR. Even if we don't get to set a specific NIT level, I'd be content with it being set to 1000 nits and having a "OLED" option in the settings to set it to that. Maybe another one for "LCD" that does 3000 to 4000 nits for higher level displays. It would be a killer feature.

narbi · « **Reply #139 on:** November 06, 2021, 02:07:46 pm »

Is the implemented tone mapping only for HDR > SDR ? Or do we have a way atm to output HDR to a HDR TV without setting OS HDR ?

SamuriHL · « **Reply #140 on:** November 06, 2021, 02:44:16 pm »

Not yet. Coming soon. The option is in the JRVR settings but it's not yet enabled. I'm sure it's on Hendrick's short list of things to add.

narbi · « **Reply #141 on:** November 06, 2021, 05:33:55 pm »

Time to wait then

I'm having an issue with JRVR black levels. FWIW I'm running windows 11, OS HDR is off, desktop set to RGB full and 0-255 in madvr.
These are the screenshots from both JRVR and madvr on the same pluge pattern (JRVR left, madvr right) :

Windows 11 thing or something to look into ?

SamuriHL · « **Reply #142 on:** November 06, 2021, 05:36:33 pm »

What is your display expecting? if it's expecting video black levels, you will have issues. Hendrick said JRVR is set to full by default. So in that respect it should work the same as madvr set to 0-255.

narbi · « **Reply #143 on:** November 06, 2021, 05:39:32 pm »

Display set to match the source black level high I think (LG oled).
But these are screenshots, not photos from the TV, black levels from the display itself should not affect a screenshot (I think ?).

SamuriHL · « **Reply #144 on:** November 06, 2021, 05:42:23 pm »

It won't impact a screen shot but a screenshot is also fairly meaningless for this. What does it look like on the display?

narbi · « **Reply #145 on:** November 06, 2021, 05:45:37 pm »

Relative of each other it shows the difference between the 2 results, and it's pretty obvious. Bar 17 with JRVR is as bright as bar 25 with madvr. Both have 16 completely black.

Hendrik · « **Reply #146 on:** November 06, 2021, 07:42:48 pm »

Quote from: narbi on November 06, 2021, 05:33:55 pm

I'm having an issue with JRVR black levels. FWIW I'm running windows 11, OS HDR is off, desktop set to RGB full and 0-255 in madvr.
These are the screenshots from both JRVR and madvr on the same pluge pattern (JRVR left, madvr right) :

Windows 11 thing or something to look into ?

Looks like some of the brightness boosting meant for HDR only slipped into SDR processing, that elevates the levels if the majority of the frame is this dark. Going to be fixed soon.

narbi · « **Reply #147 on:** November 07, 2021, 01:54:15 am »

Yes probably. I tried some BD SDR movie with a very dark scene and fast movement, artifacts were all over the place.

JrPinto · « **Reply #148 on:** November 07, 2021, 05:22:51 am »

Maybe it's a silly question but I use MadVR with the external 3DLUT calibration file I get with DisplayCal and it gives me excellent results.

Is it possible to be a future option on JRVR?

Hendrik · « **Reply #149 on:** November 07, 2021, 05:30:58 am »

Quote from: JrPinto on November 07, 2021, 05:22:51 am

Maybe it's a silly question but I use MadVR with the external 3DLUT calibration file I get with DisplayCal and it gives me excellent results.

Is it possible to be a future option on JRVR?

At some point perhaps, but before that we'll support ICC profiles for calibration, as thats a native feature we can easily leverage, which should cover a large set of use-cases already - and you can create those with DisplayCal as well.

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