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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #250 on: December 22, 2021, 10:36:16 am »

It's not quite that simple, unfortunately.  GPU drivers on a PC are assuming everything sent to it is full rgb.  So if you send it limited rgb and then tell it to send limited rgb it'll in fact double convert it which will annihilate blacks.  These conversions, depending on how they're dithered, will lose precision, as well.  So it's a matter of where you trust those conversions to be done.  You CERTAINLY don't want it done twice.  Sending a full rgb signal across the whole chain, where the display is expecting it and can process it correctly, is the best option.  However, a lot of consumer devices don't work so well at full.  They internally convert it to limited and at least in the case of LG OLEDS does so not especially well, causing banding issues.  In these cases, you send full rgb to the driver, allow it to convert to limited, and then the display receives it as expected.  In this case you only convert it once in theory and if your GPU driver is doing its job correctly, it's dithering it so you don't lose much precision in the conversion. 
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #251 on: December 22, 2021, 11:27:46 am »

Yes, interaction between computer and TV/Movie graphics is hardy seamless.  Both NVidea and Intel have struggled with getting these conversions right all the time. Now graphics cards, monitors and TVs have options to support the various modes, althought TV manufacturers sometimes make it harder by not using the correct terms, so limited rgb becomes simply low, for example. And graphics cards should be able to take in limited rgb and output limited rgb. But all of this needs to just happen correctly and the user needs to be shielded from the details. It is getting closer but is not there yet. 

My main point was that limited rgb is a significant player in non-computer video and has to be treated correctly by the whole chain, as you point out in detail.

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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #252 on: December 22, 2021, 11:35:22 am »

Yea, this issue has been a pervasive problem all HTPC users have to deal with.  I think that's why the popularity of "simple" streaming devices like the AppleTV and SHIELD is rising.  But even there, same kinds of issues believe it or not.  I think Hendrick's logic for not including a limited option is good.  It will prevent the double conversion issue.  As you said, the driver SHOULD be able to accept limited and output limited but that's not the current reality for any driver that I'm aware of.  Windows itself uses rgb full which is why the drivers are expecting it.  It would be really, REALLY nice to be able to keep the whole chain in limited so that no conversions are taking place but sadly that's not an option for us.  At least not now.  It took me quite a while to wrap my head around this whole thing.  I suspect by keeping everything more simple, Hendrick is avoiding a lot of the discussions about limited->full->limited and all that.  I don't blame him.  :)  Trust the gpu driver.  It's your only hope.  LOL :D
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #253 on: January 04, 2022, 08:06:01 am »

Is anyobody else seeing stuttery playback? I get maybe half an hour of good playback and then lots of stuttering. If i Pause and then press play again the stuttering will go away for a while. This happens with SD, HD, and 4K playback. With and without subtitles turned on.

I am using JRVR with the following settings:

Display settings (I would prefer to play HD at its native resolution but dont see a way to do that in MC. It seems you can only decide resolution based on frame rate):
23.97 fps > 2160p24
24fps fps > 2160p24

Hardware acceleration: enabled (tried both)

JRVR:
Output:
HDR10 passthrough: enabled
Enable OS HDR Support: enabled

Scaling:
Up Scaling: lanczos (tried all the options)
Downscaling: lanczos
Scale in sigmoidial light: enabled (tried both)
SuperRes: Enabled
Luma image scaling disabled
Chrome: use image scaling

Advanced:
Dithering: Blue noise

Ryzen 8 core 3600X and NVIDIA 3070

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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #254 on: January 04, 2022, 09:56:21 am »

23.97 fps > 2160p24
24fps fps > 2160p24

23.97 should be 2160p23.

Hardware acceleration: enabled (tried both)

JRVR:
Output:
HDR10 passthrough: enabled
Enable OS HDR Support: enabled

Scaling:
Up Scaling: lanczos (tried all the options)
Downscaling: lanczos
Scale in sigmoidial light: enabled (tried both)
SuperRes: Enabled
Luma image scaling disabled
Chrome: use image scaling

Advanced:
Dithering: Blue noise

Ryzen 8 core 3600X and NVIDIA 3070

Try disabling SuperRes until you get smooth playback. Also, try using a hardware scaler (bilinear or fastbicubic) and disabling HA decoding for testing just to rule out source material issues.

I get frame drops on some material, but I'm testing ULV chips. Your rig shouldn't be dropping frames. Could you post an screenshot of OSD while you are playing a problematic video?
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #255 on: January 04, 2022, 02:42:51 pm »

I agree that it should be 23.97 fps > 2160p24, + you may also want to try turning on Video Clock (but this only works if you are NOT bit streaming).  Both these will stop occasional video drops/repeats but something else must be happening if you get a bunch of heavy stuttering after some point.  The 3070 has heaps of power, but check in the nVidia Control Panel --> Manage 3D Settings --> that you have the following set --> https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,130657.msg910638.html#msg910638
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #256 on: January 06, 2022, 11:00:26 am »

Sometimes I got a lot of repeated frames. What I see is that VSYNC is not constant e.g. 44, 59, 120 etc.during playback.
Is this normal behaviour?

HW acceleration on/off does make no difference. Custom Display Mode on or custom=Desktop Seetings makes also no difference. GPU workload is <30 %.
HW is AMD 5700G with 16 GB DDR4 Memory.

Any Idea?  (Video is playing in a window and not full screen)
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #257 on: January 06, 2022, 11:25:15 am »

Thats usually the result of having some kind of variable refresh rate display, as VSYNC then just doesn't work. I recommend to turn that off for stable video playback.
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #258 on: January 07, 2022, 04:02:27 am »

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That's usually the result of having some kind of variable refresh rate display, as VSYNC then just doesn't work.
I did not found anything for my LG UW monitor to configure it.  But if I configure  MC Custom Display Settings: Explicitly set 3440x1440 - 32 bit @ 60 Hz instead of Desktop Settings it works! Lipsync is then also perfect. No Latency Issues.
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #259 on: January 07, 2022, 10:01:38 am »

Option to JRVR to disable sharing the D3D11 device with the hardware decoder.

I tested (enabled and disabled) it on my Ultra Wide PC Monitor, AMD 5700G, 16 GB DDR4 Memory with my most demanding videos 29i BD, 50p BD and 25p BD and used Radeon Monitoring for CPU, GPU, VRAM and RAM usage. The difference are minor e.g. 458 MB/443 MB VRAM usage and should be in the error rate of monitoring. The number mentioned was that with the highest difference.
CPU was always <3%, GPU usage max 76% without any framedrops (Jinc, SuperRes Enhancement disabled - its too demanding for the iGPU).
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #260 on: January 08, 2022, 12:22:05 am »

I agree that it should be 23.97 fps > 2160p24, + you may also want to try turning on Video Clock (but this only works if you are NOT bit streaming).  Both these will stop occasional video drops/repeats but something else must be happening if you get a bunch of heavy stuttering after some point.  The 3070 has heaps of power, but check in the nVidia Control Panel --> Manage 3D Settings --> that you have the following set --> https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,130657.msg910638.html#msg910638

Thanks for the feedback. I checked my nvidia settings and they are already set that way.
I have also tried turning off super res and it didnt make a difference. Same with Hardware acceleration.
Also tried going down to bilinear scaling. no difference
Re: the 23 frame rate. Though NVIDIA control panel offers me a 23hz desktop refresh rate setting, Media Center only offers me a choice of 24fps for UHD resolution playback.

Finally I tried using WIN+P and using only second monitor (TV) instead of extend desktop to both monitors, and then instant smooth playback. This may have resolved my issues and be an acceptable workaround for me. I'll test a whole movie to confirm.
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #261 on: January 09, 2022, 03:49:52 pm »

Hi,

I'm not sure if this is the right thread, but it's not so much about testing.

I still have issues with 576i50 PAL- DVD content: the picture is always ripped. Please see attached a screenshot of „Eric Clapton in Concert“ from 1994 with the info screen.

I remember that with Madvr it was possible to add the suffix „video“ or „movie“ to the filename for interlacing on/off.

What should I set up JRVR?

Greetings
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #262 on: January 09, 2022, 04:13:18 pm »

You don't mention what version of MC you are using, but FYI the following was fixed in 28.0.98

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4. Fixed: Hardware deinterlacing in JRVR was broken in 28.0.97.
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #263 on: January 09, 2022, 05:00:50 pm »

It was only broken in 28.0.97, which was beta only.
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #264 on: January 10, 2022, 11:44:09 am »

I'm always using the newest stable. In this case 28.0.98 32Bit.... Hm
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #265 on: January 10, 2022, 12:16:44 pm »

Might be that the DVD is just flagged/encoded wrongly, so that it doesn't think its actually interlaced. We don't currently offer the ability to override that with those name tags or similar.
You could try RO Standard to see if it shows similar pattern.
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #266 on: January 10, 2022, 04:09:20 pm »

Is this a JRVR bug or an issue with my system:

With JRVR enabled, I'm unable to "Screen grab to a file ..."

With Red October HQ enabled, this function works fine.
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #267 on: January 11, 2022, 11:21:22 am »

I posted a user test with AMD Ryzen 7 5600G UW PC-Monitor, 4K OLED using JRVR compared to i3+GTX960 4K OLED (modified my old thread):

https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,131639.msg912977.html#msg912977
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #268 on: January 13, 2022, 11:49:46 am »

Really great to see HDR10 passthrough, KUDOS!
Hopefully HDR10+ and Dolby Vision passthrough will follow soon....

I just would like to report a couple of bugs with subtitles when using JRVR HDR10 passthrough:
- the colour of the subtitles look somewhat pale, the colour you choose in the Subtitle Colour menu is not matching the colour displayed on screen, as if HDR was not enabled for them (with madVR they look fine)
- each time a subtitle is displayed there is 1 frame dropped

Thank you for checking these

Same here for the dropped frames with HDR Passthrough when subtitles are displayed (latest forum build, Win 10, 5800X, RTX 3090). Looks like I'm gonna stick with MPC-BE/madvr on my LG OLED C8 until it's fixed ;)

But DTM for my Sony PJ works like a charm! :)
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #269 on: January 14, 2022, 06:34:04 am »

Frame drops the first time subtitles are displayed (and sometimes even during playback) happen with SDR material too, it's not a HDR passthrough related issue. I don't think there is any pre-rendered cache of subtitles like MPC has for instance, so that would explain it.
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #270 on: January 14, 2022, 06:38:26 am »

They are already working on re-implementing subtitles for JRVR to avoid the frame drops.
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #271 on: January 14, 2022, 04:03:05 pm »

I have bought a Ryzen 7 5700G CPU and tested JRVR
I am happy to report that 4K HDR movies with HDR passthrough using 23.976Hz with my Philips OLED805 TV there are no frame drops! (except for subtitles occasionally but that is a known issues and hopefully it will be fixed soon)
I am using the highest quality settings: Jinc scaling, SuperRes, FSRCNNX 16, Bilateral Chroma Scaling, Blue Noise Dithering
Average rendering speed is 23ms, GPU load is 70%, CPU load is one-figure

There is frame drop with 60fps videos but totally not noticeable

KUDOS to Hendrik and the JRiver team for making this happen, much appreciated!
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #272 on: January 19, 2022, 12:17:36 pm »

i7-4770 3.4GHz
16GB RAM
Win10 64bit
nVidia GT 710
HDMI to 1080p Tv (bitstream audio)
MC v28.0.98
JRVR lowest possible settings

Severe frame dropping for 1080p mpeg2 TS ac3 Tv files.

But playback is good for other various (non-mpeg2) 1080p videos. Also good for 720p mpeg2 & h264 TS Tv files.

And for all tv shows, when using the jump forward button two, or three, or more times in succession, there is a delay where the picture plays for one second then pauses for three seconds, while it waits to catch up with the audio.

Don't have either of these problems if I fall back to ROS.
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #273 on: January 19, 2022, 02:02:17 pm »

Hi:
I had MC in the past, then switched away from HTPC setup to streaming.
I'm thinking of "coming back" as my main TV consumption is Live TV sports and I enjoy the 4k upscaling that sometimes is broadcast.  However it's pretty rare and I'd like to have something to upscale the current 1080i/720 feeds to 4k60.  The Lumagen Radiance Pro / MadVR Envy are probably out of my price range.
I was wondering if the MC JRVR can upscale live TV at to 4k60 at a (close to) same quality as those boxes?

If so, I currently stream NBA League Pass and NFL Game Pass - would the JRVR handle those or woudl I need a cable TV sub w/cablecard + HDHomeRun Prime ?

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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #274 on: January 20, 2022, 10:28:06 am »

I don't have any experience with these hardware boxes to do any comparisons, but if you have a decent system you can run really pretty good quality scaling algorithms.
Best would be to try JRVR yourself and judge if you are happy with the quality.

It should be fully integrated for both live TV and recorded TV as well.
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« Reply #275 on: January 20, 2022, 10:48:32 am »

Thanks, guess I'll try that.  And test it on some games that I've already recorded
Also, just curious - What online streaming sites does it support?
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #276 on: January 20, 2022, 11:05:42 am »

Severe frame dropping for 1080p mpeg2 TS ac3 Tv files.

But playback is good for other various (non-mpeg2) 1080p videos. Also good for 720p mpeg2 & h264 TS Tv files.

You could try to enable the frame timing log in the JRVR debug options, but ultimately we'll likely have to get a sample to see if we can reproduce. Not much to do on a problem description like that.
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #277 on: January 20, 2022, 05:02:51 pm »

You could try to enable the frame timing log in the JRVR debug options, but ultimately we'll likely have to get a sample to see if we can reproduce. Not much to do on a problem description like that.

I'm not sure what JRVR debug is supposed to do? I enabled it, does it create a log file or something? Anyways, here is a video sample and screenshot:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wwa6-rwYsB6M05QZYx8yET2q-iepIypa/view?usp=sharing
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« Reply #278 on: January 20, 2022, 09:35:17 pm »

A log is created called "JRVRFrameLog.csv" and it is located in the hidden "C:\Users\[UserName]\Roaming\J River\Media Center 28" folder

That clips plays OK for me without dropping frames (but the deinterlacing looks off), but I'm running the Monitor Refresh rate at 59.94hz for NTSC material (this recording is flagged as 29.97 Interlaced Top Field First).  I see you are running the monitor at 60hz, try setting Tools--> Options--> Video--> Display Settings--> Display Settings automatic change mode-->  On

PS - I'm also running it on a pretty powerful GPU (3090)

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« Reply #279 on: January 21, 2022, 01:51:35 am »

The short sample looks pretty clean. Nothing weird going on, just plain interlaced 1080p. If you can make sure the issue still happens with the sample (sometimes editing can change the behavior), then a frame log might be helpful, but it might also be possible that there are performance issues with 60 frames per second on a low-end card like a 710. We should probably record the time it takes for deinterlacing and also show queue fill status in the future.

I also assume you are using hardware decoding?

If all else fails, I could also add an option to deinterlace 30i to 30p instead of 60p, it sacrifices a bit of temporal resolution but would only require half the performance.
I'm not sure if EVR in ROStd does that automatically when it detects low performance, it sometimes certainly feels like that.
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« Reply #280 on: January 21, 2022, 07:42:13 am »

Yes, the clip shows exact same issue as full shows. I am using Hardware Acceleration. I just tried turning on Display settings mode change (now 59.940), but playback is still bad. Seems to be a performance thing... Frame log attached.

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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #281 on: January 28, 2022, 08:30:23 am »

As far as i could understand, the new Source-Based Tone Mapping in HDMI 2.1a won't help with support for dolby vision and the like, right? I just thought I should ask in case i have misunderstood.
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #282 on: January 30, 2022, 01:39:08 pm »

Congrats!!!! JRVR wins over madvr with my RTX 3080 on a Samsung Neo Qled 8k 85QN900A. 
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #283 on: January 30, 2022, 09:36:30 pm »

How does it win, can you give some details???
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #284 on: January 31, 2022, 04:51:52 am »

How does it win, can you give some details???
Very simple, I ran all settings at maximum on both renderers.
I like the picture from JRVR more with my config. Beautifull sharp detail without giving up on total. Sdr and hdr output look great on one setting. No more tweaking around there. Everything just works what I throw in without losing out on quality. It just looks how it's supposed to look! So jrvr wins and it was worth the upgrade!
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« Reply #285 on: January 31, 2022, 07:20:53 am »

Very simple, I ran all settings at maximum on both renderers.
I like the picture from JRVR more with my config. Beautifull detail without giving up on total. Sdr and hdr output look great on one setting. No more tweaking around there. Everything just works what I throw in without losing on quality. It just looks how it's supposed to look! So jrvr wins and it was worth the upgrade!
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #286 on: January 31, 2022, 05:30:41 pm »

Very simple, I ran all settings at maximum on both renderers.
I like the picture from JRVR more with my config. Beautifull sharp detail without giving up on total. Sdr and hdr output look great on one setting. No more tweaking around there. Everything just works what I throw in without losing out on quality. It just looks how it's supposed to look! So jrvr wins and it was worth the upgrade!

I thought this was the case until i ran into some scenes that did not work well with JRVR (went back to madvr using JR)

1. Mandalorian Season 1 ep 2... first 15 mins... just looks too dark for me in most settings, I can get it brighter but other scenes it's too bright.
2. Everest, first 5 mins, whites clipping in snow areas, couldn't fine tune a good picture.
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #287 on: February 01, 2022, 05:30:02 am »

I thought this was the case until i ran into some scenes that did not work well with JRVR (went back to madvr using JR)

1. Mandalorian Season 1 ep 2... first 15 mins... just looks too dark for me in most settings, I can get it brighter but other scenes it's too bright.
2. Everest, first 5 mins, whites clipping in snow areas, couldn't fine tune a good picture.
What's your gear? I know it's tough getting the right settings...too much flexibility...too many choices ;-)
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #288 on: February 01, 2022, 05:26:44 pm »

Any chance of adding an MCC command to toggle the OSD in addition to Ctrl-J? Ctrl-J works fine for my Flirc, but I would like to use my MCE remote to toggle the OSD as well.
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #289 on: February 02, 2022, 09:31:02 am »

Any chance of adding an MCC command to toggle the OSD in addition to Ctrl-J? Ctrl-J works fine for my Flirc, but I would like to use my MCE remote to toggle the OSD as well.

I'm doing this with an HP MCE remote using SendKey commands.  Here's how:

1.  Paste the below into Notepad and save it as SendkeyCTRL+j.wsf
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<package>
   <job id="vbs">
      <script language="VBScript">
         set WshShell = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
         WshShell.SendKeys "^j"
      </script>
   </job>
</package>

2.  Paste the below into Notepad and save it as SendkeyCTRL+r.wsf
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<package>
   <job id="vbs">
      <script language="VBScript">
         set WshShell = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
         WshShell.SendKeys "^r"
      </script>
   </job>
</package>

3.  In JRiver Media Center go to Tools, Options, Remote Control.
4.  For Command Name, enter "MadVR OSD Toggle" or whatever you prefer for CTRL-J.
5.  Click Add, Custom.
6.  Click Add Run, then add the path and file of the wsf file you created in step 1 for CTRL-J.
7.  Click OK twice.
8.  Repeat steps 4-7, but name it "MadVR OSD Refresh" and use the wsf file for CTRL-R.
9.  Select the new commands and click Start Learning to program them to two different buttons on your remote.  Depending on the remote, some buttons won't learn this, but some will, based on my personal experience.
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #290 on: February 02, 2022, 09:35:17 am »

I'm doing this with an HP MCE remote using SendKey commands.  Here's how:

1.  Paste the below into Notepad and save it as SendkeyCTRL+j.wsf
Code: [Select]
<package>
   <job id="vbs">
      <script language="VBScript">
         set WshShell = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
         WshShell.SendKeys "^j"
      </script>
   </job>
</package>

2.  Paste the below into Notepad and save it as SendkeyCTRL+r.wsf
Code: [Select]
<package>
   <job id="vbs">
      <script language="VBScript">
         set WshShell = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
         WshShell.SendKeys "^r"
      </script>
   </job>
</package>

3.  In JRiver Media Center go to Tools, Options, Remote Control.
4.  For Command Name, enter "MadVR OSD Toggle" or whatever you prefer for CTRL-J.
5.  Click Add, Custom.
6.  Click Add Run, then add the path and file of the wsf file you created in step 1 for CTRL-J.
7.  Click OK twice.
8.  Repeat steps 4-7, but name it "MadVR OSD Refresh" and use the wsf file for CTRL-R.
9.  Select the new commands and click Start Learning to program them to two different buttons on your remote.  Depending on the remote, some buttons won't learn this, but some will, based on my personal experience.

Excellent, thanks!
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #291 on: February 05, 2022, 03:45:23 pm »

i7-4770 3.4GHz
16GB RAM
Win10 64bit
nVidia GT 710
HDMI to 1080p Tv (bitstream audio)
MC v28.0.98
JRVR lowest possible settings

Severe frame dropping for 1080p mpeg2 TS ac3 Tv files.

But playback is good for other various (non-mpeg2) 1080p videos. Also good for 720p mpeg2 & h264 TS Tv files.

Solved simply by changing from a GT710 to a GT1030 low profile 2GB. I'll move the 710 to another room, less used. Still get "delays" when using jump button several times.
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #292 on: February 12, 2022, 08:37:31 pm »

JRiver Team - I just wanted to let you know that I'm perfectly happy with v25 running madVR.  I don't think JRVR has everything I need just yet (3DLUT capabilities, for example), but I love where you're going with this.  I'm going to buy an upgrade today.  I want to support the effort even if I'm not ready to move away from madVR at the moment. 
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #293 on: February 13, 2022, 01:49:15 am »

JRiver Team - I just wanted to let you know that I'm perfectly happy with v25 running madVR.  I don't think JRVR has everything I need just yet (3DLUT capabilities, for example), but I love where you're going with this.  I'm going to buy an upgrade today.  I want to support the effort even if I'm not ready to move away from madVR at the moment.
I would really really love to move away from madvr too, but when you have a large 145" curved scope microperf screen, JVC NX9 you need the very best to get amazing results. JRVR isnt there yet to match madvr for me and Im not sure if it ever will match it, what do others think who have very large screens?

I can play a BD upscaled to 4K with madvr and I cant hardly tell the differance at times to the 4K versions I have of the same film. madvr is an amazing piece of software, I would dearly love JR to at least match madvr in qaulity, the day it does I will switch, pronto!  :)
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #294 on: February 13, 2022, 08:31:01 am »

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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #295 on: February 22, 2022, 09:27:16 am »

Btw,  would it be possible to create a Shortcut for changing the renderer before i start a video?

Would be fine to choose JRVR or madVR without jumping back in standardview and going into options and so on (i only use theatermode)
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #296 on: February 22, 2022, 09:38:01 am »

Btw,  would it be possible to create a Shortcut for changing the renderer before i start a video?

Would be fine to choose JRVR or madVR without jumping back in standardview and going into options and so on (i only use theatermode)

There are better solutions in the works.
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #297 on: February 22, 2022, 09:42:48 am »

OK, then i will be patient
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #298 on: March 14, 2022, 07:06:06 am »

Btw,  would it be possible to create a Shortcut for changing the renderer before i start a video?

Would be fine to choose JRVR or madVR without jumping back in standardview and going into options and so on (i only use theatermode)

What would be awesome is per video settings.

Say you know you absolutely love settings XYZ in MadVR for Video A.
For another video, you love JRVR with settings ABC for Video B.

Then Video C you still prefer JRVR but want to enable superres when it opens the file...

Not sure how truly useful it is to most users but it could be an interesting way to deal with people who like to tinker per video.
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Re: NEW: JRVR -- JRiver Video Renderer
« Reply #299 on: March 14, 2022, 10:14:58 am »

You can do some of that with Zones and Zoneswitch.  Always play this file type to this zone.

I may split this to a new thread.
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