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Devices => JRiver Id -- Hardware by JRiver => Topic started by: JimH on August 27, 2014, 09:35:07 am
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(http://wiki.JRiver.com/images/d/de/NUC2820.jpg)
We've just released our new network media player, the JRiver Id. It can act as a DLNA Renderer, DLNA Server, or as a stand-alone Portable Media Player.
The introductory price is $295.
If you would like to order one, please see the wiki (http://wiki.JRiver.com/index.php?title=Id§ion=7#Ordering).
If you do purchase an Id, please use this thread for any questions.
Description (http://wiki.JRiver.com/index.php/Id)
Install Guide (http://wiki.JRiver.com/index.php/Id_Install_Guide)
Ordering (http://wiki.JRiver.com/index.php?title=Id§ion=7#Ordering)
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Here's the old thread (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=89498.0)
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Reading through all the information, it seems that the id has 1 HDMI out, 1 USB out, 1set of 3.5 TRS out, one LAN port. Is his correct?
What DAC does the id use?
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Is the id fanless? If not, is there variable fan speed control?
Does it have a power saving mode and what is the idle power in that mode?
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Does the software upgrade automatically? What are upgrading policies for software on these, paid or free?
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It isn't quite automatic yet. It requires a user selecting a menu option. Then the software is downloaded and installed and the machine is restarted.
The software is included. I don't know whether the updates will be free forever. For now, they are, and we have no plans to charge in the future.
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Is the id fanless? If not, is there variable fan speed control?
Does it have a power saving mode and what is the idle power in that mode?
It has a very quiet fan. It's inaudible from a few feet away.
It uses 7 watts during playback. It can be turned off with the button on top. In that mode, it uses 0.5 watts.
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I was wondering whether it goes into power save mode after some time without activity?
Any info on the output and DAC?
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Have you been here?
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id
It doesn't do power saving automatically at this time.
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I see an 1/8 inch analog output, but find nothing on the DAC.
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The Id supports USB and HDMI.
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I see an 1/8 inch analog output, but find nothing on the DAC.
The internal DAC is a standard Realtek ALC283 audio chip.
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Thanks!
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Does the Id support DSP functions such as Loudness and Parametric EQ? If so, do these work when the device is a dlna player or just when it is a standalone player?
Thanks!
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DLNA doesn't support DSP.
When you use Gizmo or JRemote to control the player, DSP should work. You could test this with a PC. You connect to it from the phone, then choose Player as the destination.
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I am looking for a device with a very clean USB output. Something like this http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4952#ov (http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4952#ov)
Gigabyte calls it USB DAC-UP. The only thing is: I am not looking for a game computer. :P
I hope someone can tell me more about your USB interface. I will use it as a connection to my digital interface which is connected via SPDIF to my DAC.
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Hi,
Just back from Ireland and trying to catch up on the Id. I have a couple questions: I am assuming when using a laptop, usb drive and MC20 to play back music to a stand alone sound system, the quality of the music is determined by the laptop soundboard. If this is not correct, please educate me. If the music plays back from the external harddisk to the Id, it is the Id's electronics that determine the sound quality? Is this better than what a laptop can produce?
Lastly, since the Id does not have a screen, how does one pick an album or artist (or random play) when using the Id?I see on the diagram that one can use a cellphone....what is the app that allows an android to communicate with the ID?
In the past I had the Logitech Squeezebox but selection was handled on a small screen and later on the remote.
thanks
jaime
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I am assuming when using a laptop, usb drive and MC20 to play back music to a stand alone sound system, the quality of the music is determined by the laptop soundboard. If this is not correct, please educate me. If the music plays back from the external harddisk to the Id, it is the Id's electronics that determine the sound quality? Is this better than what a laptop can produce?
The file is delivered to the Id. It is decoded there. It is then converted to analog either by the DAC on the Id (for analog out) or by a receiver or USB DAC (for HDMI or USB out). It is the DAC that can make a difference in the sound.
Lastly, since the Id does not have a screen, how does one pick an album or artist (or random play) when using the Id?
You can use JRemote or Gizmo or the laptop.
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Where is the text menu that enables me to to change from HDMI to USB audio out? My USB DAC is compatible and I can see via Id GUI the Id is rendering from the server pc but I'm not hearing anything.
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Unless you've changed the window of the GUI so the text menu is hidden, you should see it when you first boot.
But you can change the audio output with a browser from another machine on the network. It's discussed in the Id instructions here:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id_Install_Guide
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Is this text menu displayed very briefly at the bottom right corner of the screen when starting up?
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It should look about like this:
(http://wiki.jriver.com/images/d/db/GUImode.jpg)
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Mine doesn't have the text menu. Don't know how I could have altered GUI to remove the menu either. I don't recall ever seeing it. "Now Playing" displays on PC and Id are virtually identical when playing music file. I was also unsuccessful in using browser to select audio output--at least I know Id sees it.
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See if you can get it to update itself. Do this:
Enter
12
Enter
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Assuming I should have seen some activity within a reasonable and expected time after entering "12"; the update was unsuccessful.
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Is it a very small screen?
Do you have a mouse? Try moving the mouse cursor off the right side of the screen, clicking there to change the focus to the text screen, then doing the update.
I'm sorry for the problem, but it's not one we've seen so far.
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it's a 20" screen. The only text screen I've seen is the main menu which is minimized to the taskbar and what I used in the attempted update.
I did with the mouse what you asked for and did not find or focus to text screen. Do you have and idea as to how I could have screwed this up?
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Mine doesn't have the text menu. Don't know how I could have altered GUI to remove the menu either. I don't recall ever seeing it. "Now Playing" displays on PC and Id are virtually identical when playing music file. I was also unsuccessful in using browser to select audio output--at least I know Id sees it.
I don't think you could have eliminated the text menu easily.
You could look for it on the bottom menu bar as "main menu"
Right clicking on that if it's there will give you some display options like "maximize"
Once the menu is back you could do the restore settings.
If you don't see "main menu" in the menu bar you should be able to poweroff (using the power button on the Id).
Then power back up and it should show in the GUI the next time.
note: there is a delay of about 15 seconds after MC starts before the menu is activated.
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thanks Bob. I have no problems with accessing the main text menu; the text menu I can't see it the menu that enables me to change from hdmi to usb audio out as per the screen capture Jim provided in a previous post. It does have some of the same options as the main menu however. The only main menu I have access to is the text menu indicated in the Id Install Guide.-which does not have the option to change audio output from hdmi to usb--i.e. see below:
Main Menu
1 GUI *
2 Headless Text (no monitor required) *
3 Text with HDMI initialization *
11 Show network information
12 Check for updates *
77 Revert to default settings (HDMI, no library)
98 Reboot
99 Shutdown
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That is the text menu.
If you see the GUI on the left, choose your audio device under Tools/Options/Audio.
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That is the text menu.
If you see the GUI on the left, choose your audio device under Tools/Options/Audio.
That worked! Thank you.
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That worked! Thank you.
Thanks for the feedback. I updated the wiki to reflect the change in the text menu.
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If only it could run Sound Spectrum plugins I would definitely consider it.
Still very nice though, A better alternative to a WDTV or some crap like that.
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Hi,
I've just recently received My JRiver Id and I have managed to get it to play files to my USB Schitt modi DAC and it is working well. I will get a M2Tech HiFace 2 and get it to work with my Metrum Octave next. I have also downloaded gizmo and it is working well.
The problem I have is when I put in a few folders of wav files in the directory, they all get jumbled up together in a directory called "Unassigned". I reckon the problem is I don't have a metadata for the files. When I put in mp3 files they get sorted out nicely into artists and albums etc.
I have always used media players in a very "windows explorer" view Sorry I am in my forties and not briliantly computer savvy. How do I implement this on JRiver on Id and on Gizmo... :P
Many thanks in advance...
Alternatively can teach me how to add in the metadata to the files or convert it to wav. I am planning to purchase a JRiver media for windows for my PC as well.
Thanks.
Oon
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Nice to hear you have it working.
Try using MC to tag a few WAV files. You may have to turn on the option to save the tags in the files.
MC can sync to the Id as a Handheld. I wrote about this somewhere on the forum.
You could use MC to convert any files to FLAC or another lossless format during sync.
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I see at http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id that :
"Multichannel and DSD are supported over HDMI."
I was not aware of HDMI PC video card/driver that supports DSD stream... can you confirm that this is indeed the case with ld?
For example, if I play a DSD file or SACD ISO on ld, will my Onkyo 5010 show a "DSD" or "PCM" on it's display?
Thanks,
Andrej
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Yes. MC on the Id will play anything that MC on Windows plays.
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Hi,
One of the USB spdif that I am considering is the Wyred4sound ulink. Do you know if it will be compatible with the JRiver Id?
Oon
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I'm sorry, but I don't know. The description says that it requires no driver on Linux, so the Id should be able to talk to it. But I don't know if it will work.
If your DAC has a USB input, that would probably be a better choice.
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I'm new to JRiver MC and even newer to the JRiver Id. If someone has already covered this, my apologies.
I have an Id configured to pull media from a Windows PC running MC 20. Output from the Id is via USB to a DAC. Control is via JRemote from an iPad. It's working pretty smoothly now.
I'd really like to be able to run the Id in a true headless mode (Mode 2), but haven't been able to get the Id to boot without being connected to an HDMI monitor. Am I missing something or is this a limitation of the hardware?
Thanks,
-Brent
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I'm new to JRiver MC and even newer to the JRiver Id. If someone has already covered this, my apologies.
I have an Id configured to pull media from a Windows PC running MC 20. Output from the Id is via USB to a DAC. Control is via JRemote from an iPad. It's working pretty smoothly now.
I'd really like to be able to run the Id in a true headless mode (Mode 2), but haven't been able to get the Id to boot without being connected to an HDMI monitor. Am I missing something or is this a limitation of the hardware?
Thanks,
-Brent
You should be able to do that by setting it to text mode.
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I'm new to JRiver MC and even newer to the JRiver Id. If someone has already covered this, my apologies.
I have an Id configured to pull media from a Windows PC running MC 20. Output from the Id is via USB to a DAC. Control is via JRemote from an iPad. It's working pretty smoothly now.
I'd really like to be able to run the Id in a true headless mode (Mode 2), but haven't been able to get the Id to boot without being connected to an HDMI monitor. Am I missing something or is this a limitation of the hardware?
Thanks,
-Brent
I have same problem.
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I think Groundhog (at the very least) and whatcomfalls are indicating that they're across Option 2:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id_Install_Guide#Options (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id_Install_Guide#Options)
or as Groundhog refers to it, Mode 2.
Groundhog / whatcomfalls, is this the situation for you?
Assuming that's the situation, I think they're asking what would be the next step after selecting Menu Option 2 Headless Text (no monitor required), rebooting and then no change?
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Is this a standard NUC? If so, I should be able to easily move to a fanless chassis? Or was the hardware tweaked in any way?
Thanks, Marcus
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I think Groundhog (at the very least) and whatcomfalls are indicating that they're across Option 2:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id_Install_Guide#Options (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id_Install_Guide#Options)
or as Groundhog refers to it, Mode 2.
Groundhog / whatcomfalls, is this the situation for you?
Assuming that's the situation, I think they're asking what would be the next step after selecting Menu Option 2 Headless Text (no monitor required), rebooting and then no change?
Yes, you've described my situation.
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Is this a standard NUC? If so, I should be able to easily move to a fanless chassis? Or was the hardware tweaked in any way?
The hardware is unmodified, but it's quiet. The fan is inaudible from two feet away.
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The hardware is unmodified, but it's quiet. The fan is inaudible from two feet away.
Thanks for the quick reply. Another one: I assume for warranty reasons I will not have root access? (You write that the ports 1024 below require root and are therefore not available, indicating that the root password is not part of the purchase...)
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I think Groundhog (at the very least) and whatcomfalls are indicating that they're across Option 2:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id_Install_Guide#Options (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id_Install_Guide#Options)
or as Groundhog refers to it, Mode 2.
Groundhog / whatcomfalls, is this the situation for you?
Assuming that's the situation, I think they're asking what would be the next step after selecting Menu Option 2 Headless Text (no monitor required), rebooting and then no change?
Here's a bit more detail...
Initially, I connected a monitor, keyboard, and mouse to the Id to configure it. I used option 1 (GUI) to do the configuration. After it was configured and running smoothly, I selected option 2 from the menu. This caused a reboot. After the reboot - with the monitor, keyboard, and mouse still connected - I verified the Id was working. Yes... working fine.
Then I did a shutdown. Then disconnected the monitor, keyboard, and mouse. Then powered up the Id. The Id did not appear as a zone in MC 20, nor could I connect to it with JRemote. It did not appear as a network device in Windows. My network router didn't see it. I tried manually rebooting several times (power off / power on). No joy.
I shut down the Id, connected it to a monitor and powered it up. It appeared to boot up normally. The router, Windows, MC 20, and JRemote all saw the Id.*
This is repeatable. I ran through this scenario again this morning. If no monitor is connected, the Id doesn't boot. If a monitor is connected, it does.
-Brent
*There may be another problem at this point in the scenario. This morning at this point, I was unable to initiate playback using JRemote. I had to change to GUI mode, initiate playback from the Id. Then I was able to change back to option 2 - with the monitor connected - and initiate playback with JRemote.
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Is the JRiver Id software designed/licensed for only one computer? I have two Windows PCs running JRiver MC but can get only one computer to recognize the Id when connected. I’m just trying to eliminate possible reasons why I can’t get the Id to work with PC #2.
Thanks
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No. There is no limit.
Firewall?
Media Network not turned on?
Typo in Access Key?
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No. There is no limit.
Firewall?
Media Network not turned on?
Typo in Access Key?
I still get the "Ethernet Doesn’t Have A Valid IP Configuration" notification after connecting PC and Id.
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Here's a bit more detail...
Initially, I connected a monitor, keyboard, and mouse to the Id to configure it. I used option 1 (GUI) to do the configuration. After it was configured and running smoothly, I selected option 2 from the menu. This caused a reboot. After the reboot - with the monitor, keyboard, and mouse still connected - I verified the Id was working. Yes... working fine.
Then I did a shutdown. Then disconnected the monitor, keyboard, and mouse. Then powered up the Id. The Id did not appear as a zone in MC 20, nor could I connect to it with JRemote. It did not appear as a network device in Windows. My network router didn't see it. I tried manually rebooting several times (power off / power on). No joy.
I shut down the Id, connected it to a monitor and powered it up. It appeared to boot up normally. The router, Windows, MC 20, and JRemote all saw the Id.*
This is repeatable. I ran through this scenario again this morning. If no monitor is connected, the Id doesn't boot. If a monitor is connected, it does.
-Brent
*There may be another problem at this point in the scenario. This morning at this point, I was unable to initiate playback using JRemote. I had to change to GUI mode, initiate playback from the Id. Then I was able to change back to option 2 - with the monitor connected - and initiate playback with JRemote.
I've been unable to duplicate this problem here.
Is there anything else connected to the HDMI port?
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I still get the "Ethernet Doesn’t Have A Valid IP Configuration" notification after connecting PC and Id.
Where are you seeing that message?
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If that's on the Windows side, then the networking isn't working on it.
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I've been unable to duplicate this problem here.
Is there anything else connected to the HDMI port?
Ok, I think we've figured this out.
The unit here worked because it had an older bios.
New Id's have been shipping with Bios version 0038, I was using a unit with version 0034 which is the previous one we shipped.
Upgrading it to 0038 (and 0039 which is now available) both reproduced the problem.
Downgrading the bios back to 0034 solved the headless boot issue.
Check your bios version. You can do this in the F2 setup screen. The bios version says something like: FYBYT10H.86A.0038.[date code]. The version is 0038.
Here is a link to the 0034 bios:
http://downloadcenter.intel.com/confirm.aspx?httpDown=http://downloadmirror.intel.com/23879/eng/FY0034.BIO&Lang=eng&Dwnldid=23879 (http://downloadcenter.intel.com/confirm.aspx?httpDown=http://downloadmirror.intel.com/23879/eng/FY0034.BIO&Lang=eng&Dwnldid=23879)
You need to put it on a flash drive, I formatted my flash drive in windows using a ntfs filesystem format option.
Boot the NUC, hit F2 to go into setup->Click on the Wrench->Update Bios->Check internet(NO)->click on fs0 in the left pane and the bios update should appear in the right pane.
Select it, hit open and confirm.
It will reboot, install the update (takes at least 5 minutes) and reboots again.
You should be good to go.
Sorry for the trouble. We updated to 0038 because it supposedly fixed some wireless issues.
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Also from the chatter on the NUC community they see this as another "solution"
http://www.fit-pc.com/web/products/accessories/fit-headless/ (http://www.fit-pc.com/web/products/accessories/fit-headless/)
Sounds like it a very simple device, a few resistors across the sensing pins.
I've got one on order to check out.
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I've been unable to duplicate this problem here.
Is there anything else connected to the HDMI port?
Yes. The cable. :D
But seriously... the cable, when connected, runs directly from the HDMI port of the Id to the HDMI input of the monitor. There's no switch or hub or video processor in between the Id and the monitor.
I replicated this again this afternoon. Also, I noticed some details that might explain our getting different results.
- As previously reported, if I unplug the HDMI cable from the Id, I cannot get the Id to boot.
- If the Id has already booted and is running, I can disconnect the HDMI cable and the Id continues to run normally until rebooted or restarted.
- If I connect the cable from the Id to the monitor and leave the monitor plugged in but powered off, the Id does boot.
Now I'm wondering if this might be a BIOS issue. Is the BIOS user-updateable?
Thanks for your assistance.
-Brent
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The device does hold a sense pin high so the PC/NUC thinks a physical monitor is connected. But it also replies with a response to an HDMI monitor info request, without which, the PC would still not think a monitor was present. Along the lines of the Geffen DVI or HDMI-Doctor.
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Yes. The cable. :D
But seriously... the cable, when connected, runs directly from the HDMI port of the Id to the HDMI input of the monitor. There's no switch or hub or video processor in between the Id and the monitor.
I replicated this again this afternoon. Also, I noticed some details that might explain our getting different results.
- As previously reported, if I unplug the HDMI cable from the Id, I cannot get the Id to boot.
- If the Id has already booted and is running, I can disconnect the HDMI cable and the Id continues to run normally until rebooted or restarted.
- If I connect the cable from the Id to the monitor and leave the monitor plugged in but powered off, the Id does boot.
Now I'm wondering if this might be a BIOS issue. Is the BIOS user-updateable?
Thanks for your assistance.
-Brent
Brent, check the post a few above. It is a bios issue.
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Ok, I think we've figured this out.
The unit here worked because it had an older bios.
New Id's have been shipping with Bios version 0038, I was using a unit with version 0034 which is the previous one we shipped.
Upgrading it to 0038 (and 0039 which is now available) both reproduced the problem.
Downgrading the bios back to 0034 solved the headless boot issue.
Check your bios version. You can do this in the F2 setup screen. The bios version says something like: FYBYT10H.86A.0038.[date code]. The version is 0038.
Here is a link to the 0034 bios:
http://downloadcenter.intel.com/confirm.aspx?httpDown=http://downloadmirror.intel.com/23879/eng/FY0034.BIO&Lang=eng&Dwnldid=23879 (http://downloadcenter.intel.com/confirm.aspx?httpDown=http://downloadmirror.intel.com/23879/eng/FY0034.BIO&Lang=eng&Dwnldid=23879)
You need to put it on a flash drive, I formatted my flash drive in windows using a ntfs filesystem format option.
Boot the NUC, hit F2 to go into setup->Click on the Wrench->Update Bios->Check internet(NO)->click on fs0 in the left pane and the bios update should appear in the right pane.
Select it, hit open and confirm.
It will reboot, install the update (takes at least 5 minutes) and reboots again.
You should be good to go.
Sorry for the trouble. We updated to 0038 because it supposedly fixed some wireless issues.
Firmware updated. My Id is now working in headless mode, which doubtless would have delighted Sigmund Freud.
Thanks so much for your assistance.
-Brent
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The file is delivered to the Id. It is decoded there. It is then converted to analog either by the DAC on the Id (for analog out) or by a receiver or USB DAC (for HDMI or USB out). It is the DAC that can make a difference in the sound.You can use JRemote or Gizmo or the laptop.
Thanks Jim. Since then I have the Id but am having problems with the setup.
I have hooked the Id by HDMI to my TV.
I can see the menu, but cannot get the tv remote to allow me to choose. This may have nothing to do with the Id but is frustrating me to no end.
It is a Sony TV, (LCD) nor can I get my laptop to show the menu when connected by HDMI. Any ideas greatly appreciated.
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Thanks Jim. Since then I have the Id but am having problems with the setup.
I have hooked the Id by HDMI to my TV.
I can see the menu, but cannot get the tv remote to allow me to choose. This may have nothing to do with the Id but is frustrating me to no end.
It is a Sony TV, (LCD) nor can I get my laptop to show the menu when connected by HDMI. Any ideas greatly appreciated.
I don't exactly understand, but your TV remote won't be able to control the Id. You will need a keyboard and mouse connected by USB to control it. A keyboard alone might work, depending on what you are trying to do.
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Where are you seeing that message?
It's in a windows 8.1 network troubleshooting window. I've attached 3 images for context. Thanks.
Steve
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Your network looks like it isn't configured correctly. Double check the IP addresses you're using.
It appears that the PC has both a wireless connection to the router, and a wired connection to the Id. You probably need a wired connection from the router to the Id. If it's too far, investigate Ethernet over Powerline adaptors. There's a link in the Id instructions.
I map split this to a new thread since I think it's just a networking problem, not an Id problem.
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Your network looks like it isn't configured correctly. Double check the IP addresses you're using.
It appears that the PC has both a wireless connection to the router, and a wired connection to the Id. You probably need a wired connection from the router to the Id. If it's too far, investigate Ethernet over Powerline adaptors. There's a link in the Id instructions.
I map split this to a new thread since I think it's just a networking problem, not an Id problem.
Thanks I’ll give it a try. What I find puzzling is I had no such problems with my Win 7 laptop which uses essentially the same arrangement—same router. It runs without DHCP enabled. The Id even works without a router. The Id was plug_and_play with the Win 7 laptop—I did essentially nothing except select the audio device. I expected the same would occur when I connected the Id to Win8.1 desktop. I’ve furnished some images with respect to the successful win7 laptop –Id configuration.
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Windows PC's without DHCP will self assign an address.
The Id which is linux based will not do that.
You need to either put a dhcp server on that private network (you could run it on one of the windows boxes) or assign static addresses to the windows boxes and the Id (using wicd in GUI mode).
There are other issues you might want to look at too such as preventing the MC on the PC from broadcasting it's presence on the wifi connection (under Options->Media Network->Advanced).
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Bob, I assume your recommendations are wrt to my Windows 8.1 PC? The Win 7 laptop described in my most recent post--works so I'm not going to alter its configuration. Also, what do you mean by "using wicd in GUI mode"?
Thanks,
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Bob, I assume your recommendations are wrt to my Windows 8.1 PC? The Win 7 laptop described in my most recent post--works so I'm not going to alter its configuration. Also, what do you mean by "using wicd in GUI mode"?
Thanks,
I wasn't trying to debug your network configuration, I just meant that if you create a wired private network and put the Id on it you either need to have a dhcp server on that network to give it an address or assign one statically.
"using wicd in GUI mode" means on the Id, in GUI mode you can right click and get a network setup utility called WICD where you can assign a fixed address to the Id. The only reason to ever do this as far as I'm concerned it to deal with these very rare cases where someone will use a private network without a dhcp server.
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"using wicd in GUI mode" means on the Id, in GUI mode you can right click and get a network setup utility called WICD where you can assign a fixed address to the Id.
OK, thank you. I have just one more question. Where exactly on the Id's GUI does one right click to get WICD?
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Anywhere in open space on the desktop.
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Your network looks like it isn't configured correctly. Double check the IP addresses you're using.
It appears that the PC has both a wireless connection to the router, and a wired connection to the Id. You probably need a wired connection from the router to the Id. If it's too far, investigate Ethernet over Powerline adaptors. There's a link in the Id instructions.
I map split this to a new thread since I think it's just a networking problem, not an Id problem.
A belated thank you.
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There is an Id update available which adds video support.
MC version 20 will be installed as well as new video drivers, etc.
The video drivers enable hardware acceleration for the X server.
The update is rather large, several packages somewhat greater than 200 MB in size.
It's recommended to install it from a text mode however you can still start the install from the GUI mode.
First do a #12, check for updates.
This will install as much as possible before rebooting. It will ask one question about the NFS configuration, simply hit enter at that point.
After the Id reboots into the text menu, run the update again (#12)
If you started in GUI mode you may have to run the upgrade option a 3rd time.
Then to get back into the GUI mode, reselect it from the main menu and you should be good to go.
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I updated again. Video works sometimes. Import of video doesn't work for me. I have to use File/Open Media File.
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I don't exactly understand, but your TV remote won't be able to control the Id. You will need a keyboard and mouse connected by USB to control it. A keyboard alone might work, depending on what you are trying to do.
Thanks Jim....I saw that but got confused with the tv as a monitor
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I hooked up the id, per instruction and it scrolls through ~100 lines of text and stops with ends with
fsck died with exit status 4
failed (code 4) in red letters
then blah, blah
Give root pasword for maintenence or type control-d to continue
which starts the process over again
please advise
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I hooked up the id, per instruction and it scrolls through ~100 lines of text and stops with ends with
fsck died with exit status 4
failed (code 4) in red letters
then blah, blah
Give root pasword for maintenence or type control-d to continue
which starts the process over again
please advise
Would you check the date/clock setting in the bios please (F2 on boot)? If it's wildly off the filesystem check can fail.
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I saw that it was last updated 9/24/2014, current date was 1/1/2013
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I saw that it was last updated 9/24/2014, current date was 1/1/2013
If you change it to the current date/time does that fix the boot?
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Yes.
Now I have it running in GUI mode playing to the DVR port on my AVR, using the library from the PC that i would like to get rid of. Gizmo is working to the id directly from other PC's.
What is the best way to transport the library, music files etc to the id so it can run stand alone?
Also the volume control in gizmo is not working, help.
Thanks
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Yes.
Now I have it running in GUI mode playing to the DVR port on my AVR, using the library from the PC that i would like to get rid of. Gizmo is working to the id directly from other PC's.
What is the best way to transport the library, music files etc to the id so it can run stand alone?
Also the volume control in gizmo is not working, help.
Thanks
For the volume control, it depends on the audio device you are using. If it's HDMI you probably want to switch MC to use internal volume (right-click on the Id MC volume control to change it).
The Id shares the open space on it's internal drive as a network share using Windows networking and NFS.
There is about 100 gigs of free space.
You can always find it by getting the device IP (11 on the Id menu)
and browsing to it on your Windows PC (or Mac)
From the "run box" on windows, if the Id address is 192.168.1.100 you'd do
\\192.168.1.100\media
on a Mac
smb://192.168.1.100/media
it should also show up as a network share device in Windows as ID-C0..... where the rest of the identifier is the Id device name.
I put subfolders in there like Music, Video.
The Id MC will automatically find the new media a minute or so after you are done copying it in there.
Another approach would be to have it connect to MC on your PC as a media client.
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The main problem I am struggling with right now is trying to merge my music collection into one folder that I can put onto the id. When I auto import into MC from various locations I get multiple duplicate songs on albums. is the a way for mc to filter that?
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Since installing the latest update (i.e. video function ), a warning pop-up (on Id display) displays message that I have 30 days left the to purchase, etc. How do I eliminate this message--what does it take to register the JRiver MC on the Id?
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The main problem I am struggling with right now is trying to merge my music collection into one folder that I can put onto the id. When I auto import into MC from various locations I get multiple duplicate songs on albums. is the a way for mc to filter that?
The default auto import setting is the home music directory
/home/media/Music/
you shouldn't add others since the samba share on the Id is already symlinked "under" that directory. It's probably why you are seeing multiples.
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Since installing the latest update (i.e. video function ), a warning pop-up (on Id display) displays message that I have 30 days left the to purchase, etc. How do I eliminate this message--what does it take to register the JRiver MC on the Id?
The Id is pre-licensed.
The update shouldn't have lost this license, part of the update process is to preserve that.
Restoring the default settings (menu option 77) will restore the license (as well as reset everything else including your library).
Otherwise, send me a PM with your serial number (off of the bottom of the Id) and I'll send you the registration which you can key in.
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The Id is pre-licensed.
The update shouldn't have lost this license, part of the update process is to preserve that.
Restoring the default settings (menu option 77) will restore the license (as well as reset everything else including your library).
Otherwise, send me a PM with your serial number (off of the bottom of the Id) and I'll send you the registration which you can key in.
Thanks. I'll send you PM with serial number.
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Bob,
I reverted to the default settings (menu option 77) restored my license. Everything is wonderful again.
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I have a USB DAC (DEQX HDP-4 with XS-1 card) based on the XMOS USB receiver chip http://store.acousticfrontiers.com/DEQX-XS-1-Asynchronous-USB-Board.html (http://store.acousticfrontiers.com/DEQX-XS-1-Asynchronous-USB-Board.html) that plays driverless from Mac but none of the 11 listed ALSA Audio Devices on my Id work. It often feels as if it might, the relays click in the DAC with some of the ALSA "cards", but I can't get sound. I am obviously doing something wrong since I read here if a DAC plays driverless on Mac, it will on Linux. Anybody have suggestions?
I would dearly like this to work because I have a battery supply for the Id that I'm itching to hear.
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I have just ordered the ID and while waiting for it, I'd like to get my mind around the network security aspect of it. Does it require any external Internet access at all, except for updates? Can I isolate it using a firewall which sits on my Internet connection without suffering any issues? It would be good to know what are your feelings as to the ability of the device to get hijacked etc and become a trojan sitting on the inside of the network. I realise I may sound paranoid, but I have first-hand experience of consumer devices falling pray to nefarious intruders.
On another note, can the updates be initiated in the headless mode, say via ssh or some other means?
Thanks.
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I have a USB DAC (DEQX HDP-4 with XS-1 card) based on the XMOS USB receiver chip http://store.acousticfrontiers.com/DEQX-XS-1-Asynchronous-USB-Board.html (http://store.acousticfrontiers.com/DEQX-XS-1-Asynchronous-USB-Board.html) that plays driverless from Mac but none of the 11 listed ALSA Audio Devices on my Id work. It often feels as if it might, the relays click in the DAC with some of the ALSA "cards", but I can't get sound. I am obviously doing something wrong since I read here if a DAC plays driverless on Mac, it will on Linux. Anybody have suggestions?
I would dearly like this to work because I have a battery supply for the Id that I'm itching to hear.
I don't know the answer, but what are the file types you're trying to play? Did you try something simple, like an ordinary FLAC file?
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I have just ordered the ID and while waiting for it, I'd like to get my mind around the network security aspect of it. Does it require any external Internet access at all, except for updates? Can I isolate it using a firewall which sits on my Internet connection without suffering any issues? It would be good to know what are your feelings as to the ability of the device to get hijacked etc and become a trojan sitting on the inside of the network. I realise I may sound paranoid, but I have first-hand experience of consumer devices falling pray to nefarious intruders.
On another note, can the updates be initiated in the headless mode, say via ssh or some other means?
Thanks.
The Id is a like other lan appliances (WDTV, most BD players, DLNA enabled TV's). It's not meant to be used on the
outside of your lan or in a dmz.
It doesn't need internet access except for the updates.
The goal is to keep the device updated with respect to the debian security updates which occur when you update the device.
Since there isn't a webserver or mail server on it those aren't a source of security issues.
There is a samba server and nfs server that are completely open for the separate nas like filesystem.
You cannot update it via ssh.
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Thanks, Bob. It sounds like it should work even if it has no access to Internet. Do updates always come from the same IP, or can they be installed manually via USB etc?
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Thanks, Bob. It sounds like it should work even if it has no access to Internet. Do updates always come from the same IP, or can they be installed manually via USB etc?
They are updated from the same IP. No usb install at this time.
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I don't know the answer, but what are the file types you're trying to play? Did you try something simple, like an ordinary FLAC file?
Right now I'm trying to play a regular 2ch flac file, resident on the Id so no networking/DLNA complications. I've tried 3 different USB cables in both the front and rear ports.
I can play to HDMI but not to USB. Out of a Macmini, same file, no problem. Id is fully updated.
Given the simple nature of the file, which Audio Device would you expect to work? Some are described as "FRONT" (channels, I assume) some are "DEFAULT" and one is "iec", none of them produce sound but some 'play' without the Playback Error message.
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Right now I'm trying to play a regular 2ch flac file, resident on the Id so no networking/DLNA complications. I've tried 3 different USB cables in both the front and rear ports.
I can play to HDMI but not to USB. Out of a Macmini, same file, no problem. Id is fully updated.
Given the simple nature of the file, which Audio Device would you expect to work? Some are described as "FRONT" (channels, I assume) some are "DEFAULT" and one is "iec", none of them produce sound but some 'play' without the Playback Error message.
Front: blah
are the hardware devices.
Use those.
Try setting the volume control to internal.
Try system.
It's possible it IS playing but the volume is off.
The system mixer for all PCM devices is set on at boot. Your device should be connected at boot time.
Set DSP studio to resample (output format).
MC will NOT allow the linux ALSA to resample, it's better than ALSA at that.
Try setting everything to 48k or 41k.
Since we don't know exactly what your device can do you'll need to do some testing.
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Would it be possible/advisable to put a Roku stick or Google Chromecast into the HDMI port to stream audio from Pandora, etc. from a phone to the Id to a stereo?
Or is there a better way to use streaming services with the Id?
Thanks.
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The HDMI port is a output, not a Input, you cannot plug a device like this in there, sorry.
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Front: blah
are the hardware devices.
Use those.
Try setting the volume control to internal.
Try system.
It's possible it IS playing but the volume is off.
The system mixer for all PCM devices is set on at boot. Your device should be connected at boot time.
Set DSP studio to resample (output format).
MC will NOT allow the linux ALSA to resample, it's better than ALSA at that.
Try setting everything to 48k or 41k.
Since we don't know exactly what your device can do you'll need to do some testing.
Thanks Bob, really appreciate your effort.
front:CARD=x20,DEV=0[ALSA] is one device that does elicit a response from the DAC (relays click in response to a recognized input). I can even hear a faint pop from the speaker drivers so I concentrated on that.
I have tried setting all to 44.1, 48, 88.2 and on up. In all these re-sampled rates MC displays playing Flac as normal (no error messages, track progresses visually). Neither Internal, Disabled nor System volume produces any sound. I tried output S32_LE, that 'worked' too as did changing Buffer and Period time but still no sound.
I do believe the device is connecting because in all the lines of code at boot I briefly catch "xCORE USB Audio 2.0", which is the DAC's USB input board (is there a way to slow this down or see it line-by-line, to be sure?)
The Mac equivalent of this would be to discover you have Audio Midi muted on that output. Volume Definitely isn't muted in MC or on the DAC. I restarted the DAC between each trial to reset any settings like exclusivity.
Is there another setting in Linux that controls volume outside of MC? I'm a complete Linux dunce.
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Did you try different USB ports?
Do you have another device you can try?
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Did you try different USB ports?
Do you have another device you can try?
I tried all the ports. I tried 3 different cables.
The Dragonfly (early version) works fine. The DEQX machine is essential to my main system and it works driverless with 3 different Macs, that's the puzzle.
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It does sound to me like it's muted.
The volume control setting on boot is supposed to take care of that.
I'll look into that and maybe as an alternative adding a mixer control of some kind to the mainmenu or gui menu.
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I tried all the ports. I tried 3 different cables.
The Dragonfly (early version) works fine. The DEQX machine is essential to my main system and it works driverless with 3 different Macs, that's the puzzle.
Ok I think I've found this.
Your device is muting by default.
The boot settings don't take into account external devices.
If MC was set to System instead of Internal the Mute switch should fix this but it's not working in System mode.
The perfect storm.
At a minimum we'll try to get the mute working with system.
Also perhaps change the boot to do some n number of external devices initialization
and perhaps make a generic mixer control available from the Id's menus...
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I've been having a problem when controlling the Id with JRemote. When I try to play a single file or add a single file to the Playing Now playlist, the file is not played or added. If I select a group of files, the group of files plays or adds to Playing Now just fine.
This happens whether I have the Id pull music from a server or I have the server push music to the Id.
This isn't a general problem with JRemote. With JRemote connected to MC20 running on a Windows PC, I can play/add a single file to Player just fine. However, if I have that machine push music to the Id, the problem does occur.
Setup Notes:
I have the Id Library configured to point to a MC20 Library Server running on a Windows PC. That PC is pulling media from a Synology NAS file server.
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Ok I think I've found this.
Your device is muting by default.
The boot settings don't take into account external devices.
If MC was set to System instead of Internal the Mute switch should fix this but it's not working in System mode.
The perfect storm.
At a minimum we'll try to get the mute working with system.
Also perhaps change the boot to do some n number of external devices initialization
and perhaps make a generic mixer control available from the Id's menus...
However I just tested the Id on a dragonfly and the system (PCM) mute switch is working fine in MC.
So did you check to see if the mute function in the MC volume control does anything when the volume control is set to system?
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I've been having a problem when controlling the Id with JRemote. When I try to play a single file or add a single file to the Playing Now playlist, the file is not played or added. If I select a group of files, the group of files plays or adds to Playing Now just fine.
This happens whether I have the Id pull music from a server or I have the server push music to the Id.
This isn't a general problem with JRemote. With JRemote connected to MC20 running on a Windows PC, I can play/add a single file to Player just fine. However, if I have that machine push music to the Id, the problem does occur.
Setup Notes:
I have the Id Library configured to point to a MC20 Library Server running on a Windows PC. That PC is pulling media from a Synology NAS file server.
That's a complex setup! BTW, how does the Windows PC running library server get the files from the NAS? As a windows share or as a DLNA server?
Trying to narrow this down can you try this?
So if you use JRemote to connect to the Windows PC running the Library server and select the Id as the zone to playback to and you play a single file it doesn't work?
BUT if you select the "player" as the zone (the Windows PC) it does?
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That's a complex setup!
Don't get me started.
BTW, how does the Windows PC running library server get the files from the NAS? As a windows share or as a DLNA server?
The Windows PC running library server gets the files from the NAS as a Windows share. The NAS is only a file server in this setup.
So if you use JRemote to connect to the Windows PC running the Library server and select the Id as the zone to playback to and you play a single file it doesn't work? BUT if you select the "player" as the zone (the Windows PC) it does?
That's correct.
To articulate the issue in more detail, the problem happens in two scenarios:
(1) JRemote connects to the Id. The Id pulls music from the Windows PC running the MC20 DLNA & Library Server. The Id playback zone is set to Player (which is the Id).
(2) JRemote connects to the Windows PC running the MC20 DLNA & Library Server. The playback zone is set to the Id.
The problem does not occur when:
(3) JRemote connects to the Windows PC running the MC20 DLNA & Library Server. The playback zone is set to Player, which is the PC.
(4) I use the Windows PC directly - not with JRemote - and set the playback zone to the Id.
I don't keep any music files on the Id, so I haven't tried using JRemote to play a single local file on the Id.
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Don't get me started.
The Windows PC running library server gets the files from the NAS as a Windows share. The NAS is only a file server in this setup.
That's correct.
To articulate the issue in more detail, the problem happens in two scenarios:
(1) JRemote connects to the Id. The Id pulls music from the Windows PC running the MC20 DLNA & Library Server. The Id playback zone is set to Player (which is the Id).
(2) JRemote connects to the Windows PC running the MC20 DLNA & Library Server. The playback zone is set to the Id.
The problem does not occur when:
(3) JRemote connects to the Windows PC running the MC20 DLNA & Library Server. The playback zone is set to Player, which is the PC.
(4) I use the Windows PC directly - not with JRemote - and set the playback zone to the Id.
I don't keep any music files on the Id, so I haven't tried using JRemote to play a single local file on the Id.
Thanks that's quite clear.
I'm likely going to have to setup something to duplicate this.
Could you try this test? Add a mp3 to the Windows PC running the MC20 DLNA & Library Server and try to play that single song on the Id with JRemote.
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However I just tested the Id on a dragonfly and the system (PCM) mute switch is working fine in MC.
So did you check to see if the mute function in the MC volume control does anything when the volume control is set to system?
If that doesn't work, I think your device might not support the mute switch on the PCM output (like the dragonfly).
You could check this but connecting the device to a generic linux machine (or use a live CD of say ubuntu) and running alsamixer from the command line.
I worked a fallback to the master mute in case the PCM mute doesn't exist. This might fix your issue. It will be out in the next update...
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I selected the GUI option - the screen went blank and the power on/off button does not respond. I unplugged the power and started again - get an unreadable graphic screen at startup then a blank screen.
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I selected the GUI option - the screen went blank and the power on/off button does not respond. I unplugged the power and started again - get an unreadable graphic screen at startup then a blank screen.
Did it work ok in text mode?
Was this from an update or first boot of a newly shipped unit (when did you get it? You could PM me the serial number).
Try a different HDMI cable?
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If that doesn't work, I think your device might not support the mute switch on the PCM output (like the dragonfly).
You could check this but connecting the device to a generic linux machine (or use a live CD of say ubuntu) and running alsamixer from the command line.
I worked a fallback to the master mute in case the PCM mute doesn't exist. This might fix your issue. It will be out in the next update...
I think you've nailed it, Bob.
With the Dragonfly, the Mute works in both System and Internal. I get music.
With the xCORE USB Audio 2.0, the Mute only works in Internal. I don't get music.
Great work as always. Look forward to the update.
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Thanks that's quite clear.
I'm likely going to have to setup something to duplicate this.
Could you try this test? Add a mp3 to the Windows PC running the MC20 DLNA & Library Server and try to play that single song on the Id with JRemote.
I tested this scenario this morning. I put a single mp3 file on the Windows PC running the MC20 DLNA & Library Server and imported the file into MC20.
Using JRemote, I could play the single mp3 file. I could not play a single file from the NAS file server.
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I tested this scenario this morning. I put a single mp3 file on the Windows PC running the MC20 DLNA & Library Server and imported the file into MC20.
Using JRemote, I could play the single mp3 file. I could not play a single file from the NAS file server.
Thanks. Now to eliminate possible conversion issues, are any of the files on your NAS mp3?
If you haven't already, could you try playing a mp3 from the NAS using JRemote?
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I think you've nailed it, Bob.
With the Dragonfly, the Mute works in both System and Internal. I get music.
With the xCORE USB Audio 2.0, the Mute only works in Internal. I don't get music.
Great work as always. Look forward to the update.
The update is online. Let us know if it solves your issue.
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Did it work ok in text mode?
Was this from an update or first boot of a newly shipped unit (when did you get it? You could PM me the serial number).
Try a different HDMI cable?
Worked in text mode - first thing I did was update but that finished very quickly. Will send you the serial number and also try a different HDMI cable.
Update: Tried different HDMI cable - no change
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Thanks. Now to eliminate possible conversion issues, are any of the files on your NAS mp3?
If you haven't already, could you try playing a mp3 from the NAS using JRemote?
I started testing this more thoroughly yesterday afternoon and the mystery only deepened. I found that some files located on the NAS file server single-play just fine. Others won't. Being completely baffled, I started looking for some commonality among the files that won't play.
And... I've just isolated the fail case (though I'm having a hard time understanding why the failure occurs). I have a custom library field named "Key," which stores the key signature for classical pieces: C major, D minor, that sort of thing. Any file which has a value for the Key field won't single-play. It turns out it doesn't matter if the file is on the NAS or on the Windows PC running the MC20 DLNA & Library Server. The format FLAC, mp3, ALAC) also doesn't matter.
Most of my library is classical and most of the classical music files have a value in the Key field. That's why it appeared the problem was related to the file server - all of the files I tried initially were classical and had the Key field populated. When I copied am mp3 file to the Windows PC, by chance I picked a popular music track which didn't have a value in the Key field.
Additional info:
The Key field is set up as type String with the option to Save in File Tags on.
Please let me know if you need additional information or testing.
-Brent
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What happens if you move the data to a tag with a different name? newkey, for example.
It's possible that key is a standard tag and now available for use as a custom tag.
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What happens if you move the data to a tag with a different name? newkey, for example.
It's possible that key is a standard tag and now available for use as a custom tag.
As you suggested, I created a new custom field, copied the Key tags to the new field, deleted them from the Key field.
And... that did the trick. I'm now able to single-play every file I've tried.
I appreciate the workaround. This is obviously not a critical bug, but I hope you'll fix it at some point.
Thanks,
-Brent
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I just discovered that I had unintentionally checked "Disable Automatic Update" in the Update Channels menu of my Id. I unchecked it today and an update ran that came up with a question for which I don't know the best answer. The update says:
Configuration file '/etc/default/nfs-common'
==> File on system created by you or a script.
==> File also in package provided by package maintainer.
What would you like to do about it? Your options are:
Y or I : install the package maintainer's version
N or 0 : keep your currently-installed version
D : show the differences between versions
Z : start a shell to examine the situation
The default action is to keep your current version.
What should I choose, Y or N?
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The update is online. Let us know if it solves your issue.
Nope, no difference after a "12" update & reboot. Update channel set to latest. System Volume has no mute function.
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At the NFS question just hit enter.
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Hi, I'm wondering if the ID is capable of or perhaps will evolve into a fully capable MC Client running ROHQ and Theater View? Or is the intent to have a solid "play to" or zone device where the user pushes content to it? Getting right to the practicality of my question - can the ID replace a HTPC that I've been saving for, which will basically be a MC Client?
Similar approach on the media extender side of things. I can buy a $100 Echo and have all the functionality of WMC with an IR remote control. Can the ID someday work as a similar extender for MC?
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The Id is heading toward HTPC use but it will take some time. We have video working now.
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The "Update Channels" function is not used on the Id.
It was removed in version 20.0.22.
The update to the Id are done by selecting that option from the text menu. When you do this the Id will look for updates for both MediaCenter and the Id firmware.
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Nope, no difference after a "12" update & reboot. Update channel set to latest. System Volume has no mute function.
Check to make sure the build is 20.0.22.
If that's the case you are going to have to get more info on what the DAC is doing by either plugging it into a generic linux PC and running alsamixer or running alsamixer from a live CD linux disk.
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Check to make sure the build is 20.0.22.
If that's the case you are going to have to get more info on what the DAC is doing by either plugging it into a generic linux PC and running alsamixer or running alsamixer from a live CD linux disk.
No, the version was still 19.0.160 after I updated yesterday. I think we had a time problem, the update was probably not up on your server because I'm 13 hours ahead of you. There was an update today, however but...... I can't tell you which version resulted from that because MC doesn't start at all now. All that boots is mainmenu :'(. I can see the Id on the network though not in MC.
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No, the version was still 19.0.160 after I updated yesterday. I think we had a time problem, the update was probably not up on your server because I'm 13 hours ahead of you. There was an update today, however but...... I can't tell you which version resulted from that because MC doesn't start at all now. All that boots is mainmenu :'(. I can see the Id on the network though not in MC.
Do the update again.
It's a multipart process.
It may take up to 3 times to finish.
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May I ask a novice question here? ...
When you run Id from a Windows 7 PC, does it have to be a remote-capable Windows (Professional) or will Windows 7 Home Premium work? Thanks.
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Any Windows machine that can run MC will work with the Id.
Welcome to the forum.
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Do the update again.
It's a multipart process.
It may take up to 3 times to finish.
Did the update 6 times in GUI and 3 times in headless text. No MC, just mainmenu.
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Did the update 6 times in GUI and 3 times in headless text. No MC, just mainmenu.
Are you certain that it can reach outside of your home network?
Even if it didn't get the 20 update it should be well past 19.0.160 if it was able to get out.
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I'd like to change the hostname of the Id—not the name presented in MC/clients (which I can change using MC) but the actual network hostname. The current one shows on all of my computers as id-c0xxxmacaddress and it looks pretty ugly as part of an otherwise pleasantly named network. Thanks.
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In MC on another PC, you can right click on it in Playing Now to rename it.
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In MC on another PC, you can right click on it in Playing Now to rename it.
Jim, this only changes the name shown in MC, but it does not change the name showing in Mac's Finder, Windows File Explorer etc—that name is still the old hostname containing the MAC address. I would like to change that name, because that is what shows on all of my network devices. Thanks!
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Are you certain that it can reach outside of your home network?
Even if it didn't get the 20 update it should be well past 19.0.160 if it was able to get out.
I just tried updates plugged directly into the cable modem. No change, no MC. Id is shown connected to lan and wlan, by right-clicking in the blank area.
Where are the network settings? Should I post the results of "11"?
Could the last failed update be corrupted? How and where to reset Id? "77" doesn't change anything for me.
Firmware issue?
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I just tried updates plugged directly into the cable modem. No change, no MC. Id is shown connected to lan and wlan, by right-clicking in the blank area.
Where are the network settings? Should I post the results of "11"?
Could the last failed update be corrupted? How and where to reset Id? "77" doesn't change anything for me.
Firmware issue?
If you have a LAN and WLAN connection perhaps there is a default routing issue.
Unless there is a reason to have both enabled at the same time, you shouldn't configure the WLAN for use.
Can you PM me with the results of your network info?
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At the NFS question just hit enter.
Worked (of course). Thank you.
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For Almost 2 weeks I have had the id playing via lan to my avr controlled by gizmo, and I am quite pleased with the results, it is more stable than any other configuration I have tried.
I can drag and drop files to it and they appear in gizmo within minutes
I have been runing in gui mode. When i tried headless it became unstable and I was not able to access it from other pc's on the lan. shoudn't I be able to see the id mc from other pc's in headless mode?
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We believe this is due to a recent BIOS problem. We've reported it to Intel. Here's what Bob said:
"The bios issue on the Id is that it will not boot in headless mode if
the bios is > version 34.
"This is in linux with kernel 3.14.
In this mode we disable the kernel hdmi initialization with in bios 34
lets it boot without a monitor but it hangs somewhere during the boot
process with anything newer... (and 38 was supposed to fix some
wireless issues). 39 doesn't work either."
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For Almost 2 weeks I have had the id playing via lan to my avr controlled by gizmo, and I am quite pleased with the results, it is more stable than any other configuration I have tried.
I can drag and drop files to it and they appear in gizmo within minutes
I have been runing in gui mode. When i tried headless it became unstable and I was not able to access it from other pc's on the lan. shoudn't I be able to see the id mc from other pc's in headless mode?
Check the bios version and change it here:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=91344.msg633654#msg633654 (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=91344.msg633654#msg633654)
if necessary.
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Thanks, I think I will leave it alone until tidal comes along :)
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So if I understand correctly the Id has been updated to v20? Does that mean it plays video as well?
I see on the pictures it's the thicker version which can house a 2.5" HDD. Is that in use or do you supply it with an Msata SSD? If the 2.5" bay is empty, is it possible to add a disk for local storage?
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The 2.5 inch drive bay is used for the 120GB SSD. We may offer a bigger drive as an option.
It works for video. It's not perfect yet.
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May I ask why you didn't use the mSata slot? That way the user could put in a regular 2.5" HDD for local storage.
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True. We might some day.
But I don't think that large mSata memory sticks are available.
I take it back. They are available and similar in price. Is there a speed difference?
Bob might look into this.
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May I ask why you didn't use the mSata slot? That way the user could put in a regular 2.5" HDD for local storage.
Msata SSDs also typically cost between 10% and 15% more than the equivalent 2.5 inch drive, so that would push up the price of the Id.
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Lately quite a few more mSATA drives appeared, so it might be feasible now to do it.
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mSATA sticks are available all the way up to 480GB. Edit: I see you edited your post.
As for prices, over here the Crucial M500 2.5" SATA-600 is a whopping 50 cents cheaper than the mSATA variant ;D.
Prices have come down hard lately.
As for speed, I think its equivalent. Top performance is for 2.5" (high end) SSD's but in the average to high level, mSATA is up there with the rest.
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There is no speed difference given equal model, the physical size isn't required. M.2 is even smaller with the same performance (and with M.2 PCIe even much faster).
I have a 840 EVO mSATA in one system I use, and it works beautifully.
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mSATA sticks are available all the way up to 480GB. Edit: I see you edited your post.
As for prices, over here the Crucial M500 2.5" SATA-600 is a whopping 50 cents cheaper than the mSATA variant ;D.
Prices have come down hard lately.
I was basing it off of the samsungs, which are still 15% more expensive where I am (i.e. 250GB 2.5s are $125. the msatas are $145).
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I ordered one for Bob. Should be delivered Wednesday.
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Cool!
Thanks Jim!
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You're welcome. If we can do it without making our build process much more complicated, we might offer two Id's:
30GB msata for about $250 (no local storage)
240GB SSD for about $350 (room for about 700 CD's of lossless files)
It would be interesting to know whether most people use the available storage.
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Personally, I would opt for the 30GB and add a regular (spinning) HDD with 2TB (85 euros over here).
It would be interesting to know whether most people use the available storage.
I think most people use a NAS or home server.
For audio, I like it local without having to have a server or NAS online 24/7.
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Hi All - I sent this to Jim first of all - sorry.
Can anyone help with the following please
I am in receipt of the JRiver ID which I did get working for a while but only after some struggle with the GUI . . I understand this is expected as it is an early release.
The setup is a Synology NAS box DS411 running DSM5 with the Media server installed to provide the DLNA server.
I’m using the ID as a renderer outputting by USB to a Benchmark USB DAC1.
In the early stages of setup I could not find the correct setup for the USB output format. I kept getting :
Playback Problem
Details
Playback could not be started on the “ALSA” using the format ’44.1Khz 2ch’
The output format may not be supported by your hardware. You can use DSP Studio to change the output to a compatible format.
Also make sure that your system has a valid sound playback device and that it is properly configured in the playback options.
I have been able to view my music library as established on the Synology DS411 (as a DNLA service) also at one point I was able to play music, the last change I made was to tick a box under FLAC options that said ‘decode through errors’ or similar. However, when I reversed this setting I could still listen to music (at good quality) My existing JRemote on an IPAD also connected to the ID and I could control music playback etc.
Later in the evening after much listening testing it all stopped working and when I went back to the GUI mode (I had rebooted in Text – Headless but left the HDMI monitor connected) the above error was back after trying to play through the GUI as I had before. :'(
So the question really is how do I setup the Benchmark USB DAC1 to avoid the error and get the system working (and staying working) again. I found a JRiver article purporting to show how to convert the ID output for use with my DAC but it was very unspecific and the instructions did not related to the ID – I think it was from an article for the Windows MC.
One other annoyance – the ID doesn’t seam to scale its GUI to the screen size correctly so when I maximise a window I loose much of the window over the margin of the screen, including access to crucial control areas. When will the GUI be a little more ‘less flakey’ to use a term I have seen posted ;-)
Happy to be involved with the continued dev of this but I do need to be able to reliably play music whilst working on the other bits.
Hope you can help
Regards
Trevor McCarthy-White
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Hi All
With regard to the problem in my post above - Benchmark USB DAC having problems with playback and JR ID.
Has anyone got any feed back for this - I'm stuck at present with the ID 'Having problems with play back' I can't seem to get it to play at all.
IS there a diagnostic procedure I can follow. Its all gone a bit quiet out there since I bought this !!!
Thanks for any help / Info
REgards
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Hi All
With regard to the problem in my post above - Benchmark USB DAC having problems with playback and JR ID.
Has anyone got any feed back for this - I'm stuck at present with the ID 'Having problems with play back' I can't seem to get it to play at all.
IS there a diagnostic procedure I can follow. Its all gone a bit quiet out there since I bought this !!!
Thanks for any help / Info
REgards
What build is MediaCenter? (Help -> About Media Center)
Have you done the update function?
The GUI is undergoing work. It's better on the last build or so which should be out for the Id soon.
In the meantime, it's always pretty easy to move via clicking in the MC with the ALT key down and resize by right-clicking with the ALT key down.
Playing from the NAS as a DLNA server from the Id should work if the settings are correct for your DAC.
You could always test this functionality by using analog or hdmi output from the Id instead of DAC.
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Just a few very, very basic questions for JimH or anyone: I was thinking in terms of setting up a Home Theater system with a NUC running JRiver, with Windows 8.1. What would be the advantages of the ID, compared to this? I understand it is only meant for audio, and actually I was assuming that, with the NUC/JRiver/Windows 8.1 setup, that I would be able to play both video and audio content. I was under the impression that NUC/JRiver/Windows 8.1 is a common setup. Why is it able to play both video and audio, but the ID is not?
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Video is coming to life on the Id. It's still not perfect, but you can play video from MC on another machine to the Id when used as a renderer.
Win and MC on a NUC would be similar. The major difference is setup and maintenance. The Id is usually nearly plug and play.
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Hi Bob
Thanks for coming back concerning prop with Id and NAS as DLNA.
I have done an update (also tried again last night but no further updates available)
I'll try to check this out with analogue, is this just a case of using the 3.5mm jack without further setup?
As I say it was all working fine then suddenly, nothing and this message.
Its very unclear what the DSD options are supposed to achieve -- I can save a DSD profile but no way to allocate this to the audio device. The audio device list just stays the same with all of those obscure setings, one of which did work at one time.
I'm not trying to do DSD only 2ch stereo at 14.1Kb/s the Benchmark will work up to 96Kb/s with 16/24bit. I see others have the Benchmark working would be good to have their settings an experience posted.
I'm away this weekend but can get back to this Monday/Tuesday
Regards
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Hi Bob
Thanks for coming back concerning prop with Id and NAS as DLNA.
I have done an update (also tried again last night but no further updates available)
I'll try to check this out with analogue, is this just a case of using the 3.5mm jack without further setup?
As I say it was all working fine then suddenly, nothing and this message.
Its very unclear what the DSD options are supposed to achieve -- I can save a DSD profile but no way to allocate this to the audio device. The audio device list just stays the same with all of those obscure setings, one of which did work at one time.
I'm not trying to do DSD only 2ch stereo at 14.1Kb/s the Benchmark will work up to 96Kb/s with 16/24bit. I see others have the Benchmark working would be good to have their settings an experience posted.
I'm away this weekend but can get back to this Monday/Tuesday
Regards
Check your output device in MC.
Tools->Options->Audio->Audio Device Pulldown
The 3.5mm analog output is
front:CARD=PCH,DEV=0
The hdmi output is
hdmi:CARD=PCH,DEV=0
Your Benchmark DAC will have it's own description. Here is a typical one:
front:CARD=DRAGONFLY,DEV=0
When you have the right device and don't get the "Playback" error message if it appears to be working but not putting out any sound, you can click on the little speaker icon to the left of the volume control and change the mixer from system to internal (or the other way around) and play with the mute.
Let us know what you find...
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I'm using the Id with JRemote and MC running on my headless Mac. When tracks are playing, ie. there is a "current playlist" that I can swipe from right on JRemote, and I now choose a different track to "Play Next" using the remote, most of the time the wrong track will play next. When the current track finishes playing, instead of playing the one selected with "Play next" I hear the originally-next track (as it would have been had I not chosen one to Play next), however JRemote shows the title, art and the metadata of the track I wanted to play (the one selected with Play next)—but it is not the one that is playing... If I click on the shown track in JRemote it will stop and start playing the correct track, but it won't do it automatically. What gives?
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I'm using the Id with JRemote and MC running on my headless Mac. When tracks are playing, ie. there is a "current playlist" that I can swipe from right on JRemote, and I now choose a different track to "Play Next" using the remote, most of the time the wrong track will play next. When the current track finishes playing, instead of playing the one selected with "Play next" I hear the originally-next track (as it would have been had I not chosen one to Play next), however JRemote shows the title, art and the metadata of the track I wanted to play (the one selected with Play next)—but it is not the one that is playing... If I click on the shown track in JRemote it will stop and start playing the correct track, but it won't do it automatically. What gives?
The headless Mac contains the library that you are connecting to with JRemote I assume?
If so, would you bring up the MC on the Mac, find the Id zone, right-click on it and under DLNA controller options, do Disable SetNext support and try the test again?
Thanks.
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The headless Mac contains the library that you are connecting to with JRemote I assume?
That is correct.
If so, would you bring up the MC on the Mac, find the Id zone, right-click on it and under DLNA controller options, do Disable SetNext support and try the test again?
Indeed, this fixes the problem, but it introduces a new one: gapless playback no longer works on the Id, and that was the main reason for buying it... Is there anything else I can test to help you troubleshoot it?
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Indeed, this fixes the problem, but it introduces a new one: gapless playback no longer works on the Id, and that was the main reason for buying it... Is there anything else I can test to help you troubleshoot it?
I knew it would disable gapless playback, I had a suspicion that what MC thinks the playlist is and what JRemote thinks it is aren't the same.
I'm not sure if the issue is in JRemote or MC. Will give it a look..
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Thanks, Bob. Are you also the developer of JRemote? Is there anyone else or any other place I should report this problem to?
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Thanks, Bob. Are you also the developer of JRemote? Is there anyone else or any other place I should report this problem to?
No need, we've been discussing it and I think we have a handle on the solution, the details are in the implementation...
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Bob, while at it, I've another issue, perhaps they share a cause, but I think it may be more of a JRemote issue. When I select a track of a multi-disc album from any disk except the 1st disk, it always plays the track from the first disk that has the same track number, but not the track from the correct disk. On the other hand, if I am playing the last track of a disk, it will correctly continue the the 1st track on the next disk, even though I cannot select that track successfully.
If this is not the right place to report it, please say so. Thanks.
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Bob, while at it, I've another issue, perhaps they share a cause, but I think it may be more of a JRemote issue. When I select a track of a multi-disc album from any disk except the 1st disk, it always plays the track from the first disk that has the same track number, but not the track from the correct disk. On the other hand, if I am playing the last track of a disk, it will correctly continue the the 1st track on the next disk, even though I cannot select that track successfully.
If this is not the right place to report it, please say so. Thanks.
How are they stored on the server? If it happens with the SetNext disabled then I'm thinking this is more likely to be a JRemote issue.
You could post in the Remotes forum.
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I'm unsure how to answer your question as to how the tracks are stored on the server: they are files in a folder that is on a locally mounted (not networked) FireWire RAID array formatted as native Mac drive.
This issue happens both with and without SetNext set. It only happens with JRemote, and not when I click them in MC on the server. It happens with Id, and, as I've just checked, also with Sonos as DLNA renderer. I'll repost my question on the other forum.
EDIT: This is a known issue, and apparently fixed in the upcoming version of JRemote, see this mini-thread: http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=92836.0
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New version of MediaCenter (20.0.27) for the Id is up.
Use your Update function to get it.
The changes from the previous version 20.0.22 are:
1. Fixed: Filesystem character problems in Rename, Move and Copy files.
2. Changed: Added hinting to window creation to try to get the window manager to move and resize windows in larger increments.
3. Fixed: CPU usage, especially during the drawing of the Spectrum Analyzer during playback, bug introduced in 20.0.22
There are also a few other UI changes to try to increase the UI stability.
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MC for Id won't update to 20.0.27. I see "update finished" notification but after restarting MC is still stuck on build 20.0.18. Any thoughts?
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MC for Id won't update to 20.0.27. I see "update finished" notification but after restarting MC is still stuck on build 20.0.18. Any thoughts?
No, it should be fine. I just tried it offsite (on my home Id).
Check you bios clock and make sure the date looks ok..
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Just updated it again. The licensing was off in the previous version. The new one is 20.0.27-2 (will still show up as 20.0.27 in the Help menu).
If you updated before this message and you got a 30 day trial period popup box in MC, re-update and that will go away.
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No, it should be fine. I just tried it offsite (on my home Id).
Check you bios clock and make sure the date looks ok..
Bios clock is OK. I just don't see 20.0.27 under Help>>About Media Center..... Regardless, Id works fine as a DLNA renderer which is what I strictly use it for.
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Bios clock is OK. I just don't see 20.0.27 under Help>>About Media Center..... Regardless, Id works fine as a DLNA renderer which is what I strictly use it for.
Thanks.
I am concerned that you aren't getting the updates though.
Can you PM me with your public IP address so I can check the server logs?
If you don't know your public IP you can get it by going to:
https://jriver.jriver.com/cgi-bin/youraddr.cgi
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I've just done the update using option 12. It seemed to download and install it, then it hung. I hard powered down and rebooted. It presented the text menu, and I have selected the update option again. It went into the update process, but this time when it rebooted, it stopped at a different point, presenting "CPU stuck" errors. I have tried powering off several times and rebooting, but it always gets stuck after the "Cleaning up temporary files /tmp" message, see photos of the screen (sorry for the quality, but this is from the projector). What do I do now?
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Let it run. It could take an hour in some circumstances.
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I've just done the update using option 12. It seemed to download and install it, then it hung. I hard powered down and rebooted. It presented the text menu, and I have selected the update option again. It went into the update process, but this time when it rebooted, it stopped at a different point, presenting "CPU stuck" errors. I have tried powering off several times and rebooting, but it always gets stuck after the "Cleaning up temporary files /tmp" message, see photos of the screen (sorry for the quality, but this is from the projector). What do I do now?
It doesn't look like the update process completed.
First try removing the power for 30 seconds, plug it back in and restart. If the hardware has locked, that can bring it back.
If that doesn't work, restart the Id. When it gets to the boot screen quickly hit the spacebar to stop the boot process.
Then you should see a one line menu assuming you were in graphics mode when you first tried the update.
Hit e (to edit)
down arrow to the next to last line (starts with echo)
hit the back arrow key once (goes to the end of the previous line). This is a bit hard to see because of the logo.
the end of that line says
ro quiet
enter a space then the following
nomodeset i915.modeset=0
so you end up with the end of that line looking like
ro quiet nomodeset i915.modeset=0
then do control-x to boot.
This forces the Id into text mode.
At this point you will hopefully get the text menu at which point you can do the update again.
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Let it run. It could take an hour in some circumstances.
I let it run, gave it a patient hour, and indeed, it is functional again.
It doesn't look like the update process completed.
First try removing the power for 30 seconds, plug it back in and restart. If the hardware has locked, that can bring it back.
I have only just seen Bob's detailed reply, but I am not sure if I need to follow it through: can I check what version it runs without using the GUI mode?
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I let it run, gave it a patient hour, and indeed, it is functional again.
I have only just seen Bob's detailed reply, but I am not sure if I need to follow it through: can I check what version it runs without using the GUI mode?
Once it's running in text mode you should be able run the update again to make sure it finished then switch to gui mode to see the version.
In the next update we'll add version information to the text menu you could just wait until then.
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Thanks, I'll wait. Many thanks Jim and Bob for helping out.
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I decided to try the update and after multiple try's I get at the top of the text menu (no mc in gui mode)
grep/home/.jriver/mediacenter20/usersettings.ini no such file or directory
no access key
therefore gizmo does not connect
I should have known better than to mess with it.
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I decided to try the update and after multiple try's I get at the top of the text menu (no mc in gui mode)
grep/home/.jriver/mediacenter20/usersettings.ini no such file or directory
no access key
therefore gizmo does not connect
I should have known better than to mess with it.
That would indicate that your "User Settings.ini" file has vanished.
I can't see how that would happen since the update doesn't touch that however you should be able to restore the stock settings with option 77.
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77 gives same result
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Try it again and wait an hour (if you haven't).
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I have done that, and also updated a couple times and it shows complete, still no ini file
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I have done that, and also updated a couple times and it shows complete, still no ini file
Did you see a bunch of copy instructions flash by on the screen when you did 77?
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The first time, but since it just says update complete and reboots
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I just purchased 2 Ids. one for a family room and another for my bedroom. I have looked for general setup instructions and probably have missed them but am hoping for a bit of instruction or direction.....
My set up is 2 dedicated media computers each running JRiver. One in my theater acts as the server pulling all audio/video from my Synology 1812+ NAS. The computer in my Living room acts as client to the one in the Theater.
What i want to achieve with the 2 IDs is to simply push audio & video to them....I'm guessing my using JRemote to connect to the "Theater" server and push to the selected Id device. What settings do i need to make to the MC on the IDs?
I did try to set the one Id up as a client to the MC server in my Theater (not even sure i should do this in this case) but it wouldn't complete it. Not sure why....the popup window that appears asking for the password "AFTER" entering the access key, doesn't fully display....I can hardly see the area where the password is to go. So not sure if it was successfully entered but another POpup window comes up....don't know what it says.....it does nothing. I eventually have to cancel & close out.
I know....sound confusing....tried to explain as best i could.
Any set up advise will be appreciated.
Thx
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The first time, but since it just says update complete and reboots
77 doesn't print update completed, it prints:
Restored stock MC parameters. Standby, Rebooting
Did you see that message and before it printed that did you see a bunch of copy commands scroll down the screen?
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I just purchased 2 IDs. one for a family room and another for my bedroom. I have looked for general setup instructions and probably have missed them but am hoping for a bit of instruction or direction.....
My set up is 2 dedicated media computers each running JRiver. One in my theater acts as the server pulling all audio/video from my Synology 1812+ NAS. The computer in my Living room acts as client to the one in the Theater.
What i want to achieve with the 2 IDs is to simply push audio & video to them....I'm guessing my using JRemote to connect to the "Theater" server and push to the selected ID device. What settings do i need to make to the MC on the IDs?
I did try to set the one ID up as a client to the MC server in my Theater (not even sure i should do this in this case) but it wouldn't complete it. Not sure why....the popup window that appears asking for the password "AFTER" entering the access key, doesn't fully display....I can hardley see the area where the password is to go. So not sure if it was successfully entered but another POpup window comes up....don't know what it says.....it does nothing. I eventually have to cancel & close out.
I know....sound confusing....tried to explain as vest i could.
Any set up advise will be appreciated.
Thx
You don't need to setup the ID as a client to your Media Server PC.
Just choose the ID zone in JRemote when you connect to your Media Server PC.
The access key on the Id for JRemote is there if you are going to use the Id itself as a Media Server.
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77 doesn't print update completed, it prints:
Restored stock MC parameters. Standby, Rebooting
Did you see that message and before it printed that did you see a bunch of copy commands scroll down the screen?
My mistake
for 77 it says " restored stock mc parameters" then it scrolls through the text, every other line says failed....
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You don't need to setup the ID as a client to your Media Server PC.
Just choose the ID zone in JRemote when you connect to your Media Server PC.
The access key on the Id for JRemote is there if you are going to use the Id itself as a Media Server.
Ok.
How do I get it to go from text to seeing mc?
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My mistake
for 77 it says " restored stock mc parameters" then it scrolls through the text, every other line says failed....
Ok, that's not good. It sounds like the drive is corrupted.
I'm going to PM you.
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Ok.
How do I get it to go from text to seeing mc?
Do mean seeing the Media Center GUI on the Id?
If so just choose #1 from the text menu.
It will reboot into GUI mode.
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Do mean seeing the Media Center GUI on the Id?
If so just choose #1 from the text menu.
It will reboot into GUI mode.
Duh. Didn't realize that's what that was. Thank you.
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Do mean seeing the Media Center GUI on the Id?
If so just choose #1 from the text menu.
It will reboot into GUI mode.
Lastly.....must I make setting in the "Options" area of the ID as a client? Video, audio, etc.
Will TV work on the ID?
Thanks again.
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Lastly.....must I make setting in the "Options" area of the ID as a client? Video, audio, etc.
Will TV work on the ID?
Thanks again.
You shouldn't have to make any options changes if you are just using the Id as a renderer. (you PUSH material to it).
The ID won't do TV at this time.
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Lastly.....must I make setting in the "Options" area of the ID as a client? Video, audio, etc.
Will TV work on the ID?
Thanks again.
Also, Video support is VERY new. Things like subtitles aren't supported yet.
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OK. Thanks
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Really confused. I can't get it to work. I go GUI started and MC us up. I used JRiver to connect to the MC acting as server, i selected the ID as the zone to play back to....nothing plays. I wish there were more detailed step by step instructions on what to do.
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Really confused. I can't get it to work. I go GUI started and MC us up. I used JRiver to connect to the MC acting as server, i selected the ID as the zone to play back to....nothing plays. I wish there were more detailed step by step instructions on what to do.
OK.....as I meantioned earlier I purchased 2 IDs. I have successfully installed one of them. It seems to work well sending video from the MC acting as server to the ID. The other one still is not receiving video as my quote above states. Any suggestions?
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OK.....as I meantioned earlier I purchased 2 IDs. I have successfully installed one of them. It seems to work well sending video from the MC acting as server to the ID. The other one still is not receiving video as my quote above states. Any suggestions?
Start with the most basic functions.
On the MC server, push the same audio file to each Id.
Does it play on one or both?
Choose option 11 from the menu on both Id's.
What are the inet addresses?
I assume you got the 2 Id's at the same time and they are both up to date running version 20.0.27?
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Start with the most basic functions.
On the MC server, push the same audio file to each Id.
Does it play on one or both?
Choose option 11 from the menu on both Id's.
What are the inet addresses?
I assume you got the 2 Id's at the same time and they are both up to date running version 20.0.27?
Well, I received them about 3 weeks apart. The 2nd one was received last week.
How can i tell what version it is? That would make sense to verify both.....Thx, Bob
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Well, I received them about 3 weeks apart. The 2nd one was received last week.
How can i tell what version it is? That would make sense to verify both.....Thx, Bob
It's likely the first one doesn't have video support, that was very recent.
If you are running in GUI mode you can check by doing Help->About Media Center
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When running the update function on the Id, it's strongly recommended to put it into Headless Text mode (2) before starting the update process.
The update from version 19 of Media Center to version 20 requires very heavy modification to the video subsystem on the Id.
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Actually both are updated. The problem unit.... I changed view to display. All of a sudden i was able to push video to it. But pretty poor quality. AV Sync is not accurate.
I wanted to check video settings in options and couldnt figure out how to grt it to go back to standard view (guess I should use its access code to add to JRemote) so I rebooted. It now just shows a white screen with the mc logo in center. Using a mouse I cannot get to standard screen to reset view.
Lastly when i have standard view up on both IDs the view goes beyond border of tv. Is this a setting on the id itself so it fits in the 16:9 screen?
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Actually both are updated. The problem unit.... I changed view to display. All of a sudden i was able to push video to it. But pretty poor quality. AV Sync is not accurate.
I think you can change that display mode setting in Options.
It's pretty close to the edge of what the CPU can handle however if you have enough network bandwidth it should be pretty decent.
I wanted to check video settings in options and couldn't figure out how to grt it to go back to standard view (guess I should use its access code to add to JRemote) so I rebooted. It now just shows a white screen with the mc logo in center. Using a mouse I cannot get to standard screen to reset view.
hitting esc gets out of display mode.
Lastly when i have standard view up on both IDs the view goes beyond border of tv. Is this a setting on the id itself so it fits in the 16:9 screen?
You can use ALT-left click to move and ALT-right click to resize if you get beyond screen boundaries. If MC is set to fullscreen it ought to fit the screen properly.
The GUI is still a bit touchy...
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Thanks a million, Bob, for your replies. I'm not near as tech savvy as most here and I appreciate the help. Will get back at it later tonight with your suggestions.
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Can I use this to control a multiroom setup?
the big q is will this support synchronized playback? Always is Sync. of multiple other UPnP renderers?
So let me get this straight..
This will run JRiver.
I can use JRemote to pull up JRiver on it
When I do that: I will see MinimServer as a DLNA share
I will also see the 8 or so other UPnP renderer's I have on my network on there (within JRemote)
I will able to select a track to stream from MinimServer
..then..I will be able to select all these UPnP renderers using JRemote group them all together, then play the track to all of them in sync
I will then be able to drop whatever room/renderer I want...and then re-add at will
All music will never be playing out of Sync (the same way Sonos does)
All using the the MC ID computer
All using JRemote
With nothing else running on my network other than the renderers
Correct?
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Thanks for the help
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Any idea if this will work with the iFi micro DSD? iFi provides a driver for Win and Mac.
Thanks
t
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Thanks for the help
UPnP/DLNA currently has no way of syncing streams and the delay factor and non-deterministic behavior for different renderers makes it unlikely to happen with this generation of equipment.
See this thread:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=91208.0
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Any idea if this will work with the iFi micro DSD? The iFi provides driver for Win and Mac.
Thanks
t
According to the web site Linux supports it natively.
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According to the web site Linux supports it natively.
Thank you Bob, I didn't notice that. So, will the ID have any problem sending 4x DSD to the IDSD? It works fine now using MC to up sample.
Thanks
t
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Thank you Bob, I didn't notice that. So, will the ID have any problem sending 4x DSD to the IDSD? It works fine now using MC to up sample.
Thanks
t
I don't think you can send DSD to a device on linux without DoPE.
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UPnP/DLNA currently has no way of syncing streams and the delay factor and non-deterministic behavior for different renderers makes it unlikely to happen with this generation of equipment.
See this thread:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=91208.0
Thanks Bob.
That thread now appears to be missing :o
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Thanks Bob.
That thread now appears to be missing :o
Strange, it works for me.
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Strange, it works for me.
FYI, It doesn't work for me
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FYI, It doesn't work for me
My fault, I'll summarize what was there.
There is a syncing mechanism proposed in the version 2 spec but no one has implemented it to this point.
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I want to be able to use the Id in two locations with different DACs. Do I have to connect to a monitor, keyboard and mouse and access the GUI to change the audio device each time I move back and forth, or is there some faster way to do this?
Also--the audio device list is very confusing. When I use a DACport there are multiple possible choices that include DACport and not all of them work. When I use a Yulong DA8, similarly, there are multiple choices none of which identify the DAC as Yulong (as MC 20 does). It just shows us as "DAC." I hope you can clean this up.
Finally, can you explain why you say the Id produces higher quality audio than other DLNA renderers? How is it superior to, for example, a networked Mac Mini
Nov. 7: Well, if this forum is the sole way to get help from JRiver, this product is not ready for prime time.
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I knew it would disable gapless playback, I had a suspicion that what MC thinks the playlist is and what JRemote thinks it is aren't the same.
I'm not sure if the issue is in JRemote or MC. Will give it a look..
Bob, I've updated to 20.0.29 and JRemote 3.09 but it seems the issue we were disucssing (see post #160 on this thread) either has not been fixed yet, or I am experiencing something else yet related. Do you have any further suggestions for me, please? Many thanks.
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I want to be able to use the Id in two locations with different DACs. Do I have to connect to a monitor, keyboard and mouse and access the GUI to change the audio device each time I move back and forth, or is there some faster way to do this?
You can change the audio device by connecting to the presentation page with a browser.
If the Id's address is 192.168.1.100 you'd connect to
http://192.168.1.100:52199/WebRemote/audiodevice.html
Also--the audio device list is very confusing. When I use a DACport there are multiple possible choices that include DACport and not all of them work. When I use a Yulong DA8, similarly, there are multiple choices none of which identify the DAC as Yulong (as MC 20 does). It just shows us as "DAC." I hope you can clean this up.
These are the linux ALSA "hinted" device names.
To get the more from a device you should use the "hardware" device. In most cases these will start with the prefix front:
Finally, can you explain why you say the Id produces higher quality audio than other DLNA renderers? How is it superior to, for example, a networked Mac Mini
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Because the Id uses the JRiver audio engine we feel it's better. It can play high sample rate 24 bit files as well which the vast majority of DLNA devices cannot.
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Bob, I've updated to 20.0.29 and JRemote 3.09 but it seems the issue we were discussing (see post #160 on this thread) either has not been fixed yet, or I am experiencing something else yet related. Do you have any further suggestions for me, please? Many thanks.
You must be on build 20.0.27 which is the latest build for the Id.
The playlist modification issue resolution has not been pushed to the Id yet.
The Id is always a few revisions behind the latest build for stability reasons.
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I just put out 20.0.33 for the Id.
This will handle the changes for the playlist modification (assuming you are using the Id for serving and rendering).
If you are using a different MC as the server (say a Windows or Mac machine) that instance of MC must be updated to a build that includes the playlist fix (>=20.0.31)
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Thanks, Bob. It looks like MC for Mac, which I use as the server to Id acting as the renderer, is only available at version .29. Is there somewhere from where I should get Mac MC .33, or should I just wait a little longer? I can see that the Mac and Windows version numbering does not run the same, so do I perhaps need a yet another version of the Mac MC? Many thanks for working on this issue, I appreciate your caring.
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Thanks, Bob. It looks like MC for Mac, which I use as the server to Id acting as the renderer, is only available at version .29. Is there somewhere from where I should get Mac MC .33, or should I just wait a little longer? I can see that the Mac and Windows version numbering does not run the same, so do I perhaps need a yet another version of the Mac MC? Many thanks for working on this issue, I appreciate your caring.
Hi Rafal,
If you are using the Mac as the source of the music (you connect to the Mac with JRemote) you will have to wait until the next build is out. I'd expect that to be pretty soon.
We are working on different focuses on each platform so the releases don't come out in a synchronized manner.
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I wanted to update my Id today. In have ever only used it in the text mode (never GUI). I had trouble with the previous update, but Id continued working. Today, I attached the keyboard and selected option 12. It did not progress beyond 1 line of text output and it hang. I rebooted it, and I could see it listing a large number of Linux boot log messages, many about "stuck CPU", but it never gave me back the text menu. I have waited a few hours, but it did not recover like the last time.
From now on, whenever I reboot, it lists a few lines, then goes blank, even the keyboard is dead (no light comes up when I click caps lock).
The only thing I seem able to do, is when I hit the space bar at boot, then E then Ctrl X then select the topmost line (can't read them well as the screen is a bit garbled), which gives me a very stretched and wrapped text menu, but none of the options really work: I tried option 12 again, it just reboots a few seconds later and goes into a blank screen (after a few boot messages). I tried making it go to GUI, reboots, a bit of text, blank, dead keyboard... I tried 77, same effect.
Is there a way to somehow reinstall all software on it, myself, or do I have to post it all back to you?
Thanks.
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I wanted to update my ID today. In have ever only used it in the text mode (never GUI). I had trouble with the previous update, but Id continued working. Today, I attached the keyboard and selected option 12. It did not progress beyond 1 line of text output and it hang. I rebooted it, and I could see it listing a large number of Linux boot log messages, many about "stuck CPU", but it never gave me back the text menu. I have waited a few hours, but it did not recover like the last time.
From now on, whenever I reboot, it lists a few lines, then goes blank, even the keyboard is dead (no light comes up when I click caps lock).
The only thing I seem able to do, is when I hit the space bar at boot, then E then Ctrl X then select the topmost line (can't read them well as the screen is a bit garbled), which gives me a very stretched and wrapped text menu, but none of the options really work: I tried option 12 again, it just reboots a few seconds later and goes into a blank screen (after a few boot messages). I tried making it go to GUI, reboots, a bit of text, blank, dead keyboard... I tried 77, same effect.
Is there a way to somehow reinstall all software on it, myself, or do I have to post it all back to you?
Thanks.
Sorry for your trouble. It wasn't hanging during the update, it was just not printing out a progress report. It needs to be more verbose and printout a warning to not interrupt the process.
Since the update was interrupted we need to get the Id back up to complete the process.
If you get to the main Id text menu we can fix it. I'll PM you some instructions.
If you can't get to the main Id text menu it's going to be trickier. You can let it sit for a while, some people have had success with that eventually getting to the text menu (may take 30 minutes or so).
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Thanks, Bob. I did not realise it was downloading anything, it seemed frozen... Sorry about this. I can make it to the boot loader/GRUB menu, however, post that stage, it hangs at this, every time now, see attached photo of the screen.
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Thanks, Bob. I did not realise it was downloading anything, it seemed frozen... Sorry about this. I can make it to the boot loader/GRUB menu, however, post that stage, it hangs at this, every time now, see attached photo of the screen.
Just let it sit for 30 minutes or so.
If that doesn't work we can try fiddling with the boot menu a bit.
What was the last mode you were booted into, text or gui?
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Text, never entered GUI, however, I have tried selecting the GUI from the text last text menu that worked, using option 3, which I suppose got me to where I am stuck now. So perhaps you may want to assume that it tried to go for GUI but it has never managed to.
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Text, never entered GUI, however, I have tried selecting the GUI from the text last text menu that worked, using option 3, which I suppose got me to where I am stuck now. So perhaps you may want to assume that it tried to go for GUI but it has never managed to.
Yes I think that is the case.
Get to the boot menu and hit space.
There will be only one choice on the grub menu if it was trying to get to graphics mode.
Hit e to edit that boot entry
on the edit screen hit down arrow until you get to the next to last line which starts with "echo"
hit back-arrow once and you should be at the end of the word "quiet" from the linux boot line.
backspace off the word quiet and type in nomodeset
that line should then read
linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.14.4 root=/dev/sda1 ro nomodeset
if that's right, hit control-x to boot.
See if that gets you up to the Id text menu after a couple of minutes...
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Bob, I can no longer reply to you via PM because I am limited to 3 forum PM messages per hour. So a quick “thank you” for checking out the Id, I am glad to hear it is OK now. The only issue I have is that when I try option 12 (update) it reboots itself and locks up: screen is blank (tried two projectors) and the keyboard is dead. I wonder if it is supposed to, perhaps, somehow reboot differently after an update?
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Bob, I can no longer reply to you via PM because I am limited to 3 forum PM messages per hour. So a quick “thank you” for checking out the Id, I am glad to hear it is OK now. The only issue I have is that when I try option 12 (update) it reboots itself and locks up: screen is blank (tried two projectors) and the keyboard is dead. I wonder if it is supposed to, perhaps, somehow reboot differently after an update?
Hi Rafal,
That lockup on reboot seems to happen sometimes. Can you check your bios version next time you reboot it?
It should be on 34 (in the long bios string). There were a few that got shipped with a newer version before we discovered intel had a bug in it.
Edit: I just checked, it is on 34. I'm not sure what else it could be, perhaps something to do with the HDMI.
The clock is off but I don't think that should make a difference. It thinks its 23:40 UTC.
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I have been able to play media stored on the Id's hard drive by going into the GUI and setting "playing from" to "Main Library," then disconnecting from the Id on JRemote and reconnecting. I can return to using my main media server (Mac Mini) by reversing this process. Is there any way to make this switch using JRemote or the web interface? Or do I have to access the GUI by connecting to a monitor?
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You should be able to use JRemote to select both the "source" and the "destination".
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Could you explain how to do that in more detail? I don't see how to it.
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Should I be using the headless mode or the "text with HDMI init" and if you don't mind, may I ask what is the difference? Thanks.
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It depends whether you want to use a monitor.
Best is to try them, and see what works best for you.
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Could you explain how to do that in more detail? I don't see how to it.
JRemote instructions are on the Remotes board on this forum.
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?board=37.0
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JRemote instructions are on the Remotes board on this forum.
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?board=37.0
That isn't exactly true, is it? There is a forum with lots of questions and discussions, but no coherent, organized instructions. Why not simply answer my question?
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Headless text mode means without HDMI initialization.
This means if you attach a monitor it will be in it's default mode.
Text mode with HDMI initialization will initialize the monitor (which means there needs to be one attached).
If you are using HDMI audio equipment this may be required (depends on the equipment, not the Id).
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My Id seems to be forgetting its playlist. For example, from my Windows 8.1 notebook (currently running Media Center 20.0.27), I sent a 12-song album to play on the Id, the Id plays a few (and maybe a partial) songs and then stops playback. When I look at the Id's Playing Now at that point, it shows only the last song that played and no others.
The songs are served from a Windows 7 desktop with the same MC version as the notebook. The Id is up-to-date as of two days ago.
This happens nearly every time I use the Id, though not necessarily if I only play a couple/few songs. Where is the hiccup?
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My Id is having major issues with loading the usual library (Netgear NAS) and also playback following updating to the latest version.
My NAS has approx 55000 music files it. The Id will only load 5000 after the update.
And when I attempt to play any of those 5000 files it comes up with "there's a problem with playback".
I've tried attempting to update again, which the Id does, but then hangs when it tries to reboot.
I've tried waiting over an hour for the Id to reboot.
I have to disconnect the power to get it to reboot again.
When it does reboot, I get the library problem.
I've tried several times to clear the library and then reinstall the library.
But I run into the same problem with the library only partial reloading.
Even leaving it all day to reload the library makes no difference.
Loading and unloading the NAS library with my Windows 8.1 PC works fine, so it's not the NAS.
It seems that every time an update comes down, I run into problems with the Id.
I'm almost at the stage of blowing the Linux away and putting Windows on the NUC and installing MC20 for Windows on it.
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My Id seems to be forgetting its playlist. For example, from my Windows 8.1 notebook (currently running Media Center 20.0.27), I sent a 12-song album to play on the Id, the Id plays a few (and maybe a partial) songs and then stops playback. When I look at the Id's Playing Now at that point, it shows only the last song that played and no others.
The songs are served from a Windows 7 desktop with the same MC version as the notebook. The Id is up-to-date as of two days ago.
This happens nearly every time I use the Id, though not necessarily if I only play a couple/few songs. Where is the hiccup?
The Id won't show the entire playlist.
It should show the currently playing track and the next in the queue.
Are you pushing a change to the playlist while it's playing or just letting it run through a playlist?
Are you controlling the Id from your Windows notebook or from JRemote or Gizmo?
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My Id is having major issues with loading the usual library (Netgear NAS) and also playback following updating to the latest version.
My NAS has approx 55000 music files it. The Id will only load 5000 after the update.
And when I attempt to play any of those 5000 files it comes up with "there's a problem with playback".
I've tried attempting to update again, which the Id does, but then hangs when it tries to reboot.
I've tried waiting over an hour for the Id to reboot.
I have to disconnect the power to get it to reboot again.
When it does reboot, I get the library problem.
I've tried several times to clear the library and then reinstall the library.
But I run into the same problem with the library only partial reloading.
Even leaving it all day to reload the library makes no difference.
Loading and unloading the NAS library with my Windows 8.1 PC works fine, so it's not the NAS.
It seems that every time an update comes down, I run into problems with the Id.
I'm almost at the stage of blowing the Linux away and putting Windows on the NUC and installing MC20 for Windows on it.
I'm sorry you're having this trouble.
What builds are you running on you windows PC and the Id?
I assume you are on 20.0.33 on the Id since you've said it's up to date.
In the case of the Id you are loading the NAS with DLNA since it doesn't have another way to load an external non-MC library.
How are you loading the NAS on windows? As a DLNA server or a share?
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The Id won't show the entire playlist.
It should show the currently playing track and the next in the queue.
Are you pushing a change to the playlist while it's playing or just letting it run through a playlist?
Are you controlling the Id from your Windows notebook or from JRemote or Gizmo?
I am sending a playlist to play on the Id from my Windows notebook. My assumption was that the Id then basically has been given instructions and should carry them out unattended, but, from your syntax, I'm getting the sense that this is a misconception. Do the Id and notebook have to be able to communicate the entire time the Id is playing? If this is the case, is there a way (or a possibility in the future) to have the Id receive a playlist from whatever device can direct it, but do it's playback directly from the library server to which it is connected?
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I am sending a playlist to play on the Id from my Windows notebook. My assumption was that the Id then basically has been given instructions and should carry them out unattended, but, from your syntax, I'm getting the sense that this is a misconception. Do the Id and notebook have to be able to communicate the entire time the Id is playing? If this is the case, is there a way (or a possibility in the future) to have the Id receive a playlist from whatever device can direct it, but do it's playback directly from the library server to which it is connected?
I'm assuming you have a third machine than which contains the library and you are just using the notebook as a controller?
If you are pushing the tracks from your windows notebook in this situation controller essentially sends 2 tracks at a time, the current and next to play.
You could either put the media on the Id's share and control the Id directly with the notebook by connecting to the Id's library server or
have the Id connect to your third machine's library server then connect to the library server on the Id with the notebook and control it that way.
I think in those cases it would just keep playing.
Here is a simpler way:
The way I use the Id at home is with a machine with my library on it that's on all the time and I use JRemote, or Gizmo, or WebGizmo (depending on what device I'm using at the time) to connecting to the machine with the library and selecting the Id as the playback zone. Once you start a playlist this way there is no need to maintain a connection with the remote control device.
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What is the best way to add memory to the Id?
replacing the 128 gb ssd with a 256 or can I add a 128 gb to the usb 3 port?
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What is the best way to add memory to the Id?
replacing the 128 gb ssd with a 256 or can I add a 128 gb to the usb 3 port?
I think you mean disk, not memory. You can't modify the drive. We might offer larger drives in the future.
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What is the best way to add memory to the Id?
replacing the 128 gb ssd with a 256 or can I add a 128 gb to the usb 3 port?
I'll add that the plan is to support external drives plugged into the usb port.
Likely you'll have the choice of read-only or read-write on the main menu.
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I'm sorry you're having this trouble.
What builds are you running on you windows PC and the Id?
I assume you are on 20.0.33 on the Id since you've said it's up to date.
In the case of the Id you are loading the NAS with DLNA since it doesn't have another way to load an external non-MC library.
How are you loading the NAS on windows? As a DLNA server or a share?
Yes, it's 20.0.33 on the Id.
It's 20.0.37 on my Windows 8.1 desktop PC.
The Netgear ReadyNAS312 loads on Windows as a DLNA server.
The Id will not "import" files from the NAS.
It will only "look" for files on its internal SSD.
I have tried clearing the library, rebooting and reloading the library.
I have also tried resetting the Id to default and reloading the library.
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Yes, it's 20.0.33 on the Id.
It's 20.0.37 on my Windows 8.1 desktop PC.
The Netgear ReadyNAS312 loads on Windows as a DLNA server.
The Id will not "import" files from the NAS.
It will only "look" for files on its internal SSD.
I have tried clearing the library, rebooting and reloading the library.
I have also tried resetting the Id to default and reloading the library.
Did it cutoff right at 5000?
I tried to duplicate this however there's only about 5200 in my library so of course it worked. Also since I don't have your specific NAS it could be a bit tricky.
You loaded it exactly the same way in the previous version?
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Here is an Id repair utility image link:
http://files.jriver.com/Id/idrepair.iso
and its md5sum
http://files.jriver.com/Id/idrepair.iso.md5
This is large, just under a gig. It can be copied directly to a 1 gig or larger usb stick using your favorite imaging utility.
After copying, plug it into the Id and reboot. Hit F10 when the bios screen comes up and select the usb stick.
After a quick boot you should get the main menu.
Arrow down off of the repair boot within 10 seconds if you want to do the memory test otherwise just wait or hit enter.
The repair menu has:
An Id filesystem check
A boot fixup
A way to restore the original MC configuration and
A way to reinstall the Id firmware in case the Id has gotten corrupted.
This is an alpha version. There are almost certainly some issues though none that I know of at this time.
If you restore the firmware you will lose your library (but not the files on the Id share).
If you need the library, back it up to the share before starting this process.
You should NOT reinstall the firmware unless your Id is not booting into MC properly.
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Hi Rafal,
If you are using the Mac as the source of the music (you connect to the Mac with JRemote) you will have to wait until the next build is out. I'd expect that to be pretty soon.
We are working on different focuses on each platform so the releases don't come out in a synchronized manner.
Bob, I've just upgraded the MC server on the Mac to 20.0.38. I am also using it with the recently updated Id—many thanks for your help with the Id upgrade—and with JRemote 3.10 beta. I can report that the problem we have been discussing since post #160, that is of the "Play next" action on JRemote not causing the correct track to play and show up has not been solved, though you indicated that versions as of .33 might have solved it. However, the situation is a bit different, it seems, from the past. What happens now is this:
- I select an album to play, it becomes the "currently playing" playlist, all is good.
- I select a track of a different album using the JRemote option "Play next" and this track correctly appears as the next one in the playlist, however,
- When the current track finishes, the next track to play is not the one that was just selected to "play next" but the track now playing is the originally next track, that is the 2nd one from the album, and—and this may be a new behaviour:
- After that 2nd track from the original playlist has finished playing, the subsequent one to play (so now 3rd in order) happens to be the one that was supposed to have played earlier as the "play next" selected track. At the same time, the display in JRemote is incorrect, correctly showing tracks that were supposed to have been playing, but which are not playing.
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Bob, I've just upgraded the MC server on the Mac to 20.0.38. I am also using it with the recently updated Id—many thanks for your help with the Id upgrade—and with JRemote 3.10 beta. I can report that the problem we have been discussing since post #160, that is of the "Play next" action on JRemote not causing the correct track to play and show up has not been solved, though you indicated that versions as of .33 might have solved it. However, the situation is a bit different, it seems, from the past. What happens now is this:
- I select an album to play, it becomes the "currently playing" playlist, all is good.
- I select a track of a different album using the JRemote option "Play next" and this track correctly appears as the next one in the playlist, however,
- When the current track finishes, the next track to play is not the one that was just selected to "play next" but the track now playing is the originally next track, that is the 2nd one from the album, and—and this may be a new behaviour:
- After that 2nd track from the original playlist has finished playing, the subsequent one to play (so now 3rd in order) happens to be the one that was supposed to have played earlier as the "play next" selected track. At the same time, the display in JRemote is incorrect, correctly showing tracks that were supposed to have been playing, but which are not playing.
Ok, I'll try to duplicate that.
One thing to be aware of if you change the track in the last 10 seconds or so of the previous track playing, you are too late. There isn't enough granularity to handle that case.
The same thing applies of course if you have very short tracks (20 seconds or less).
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Bob, your points are duly noted. However, in this case, I used tracks that were about 3 min in duration or longer, and I have selected "play next" no later than about 20 s from the beginning of the track, so still with some 2 min or more remaining. Many thanks for looking into it, please let me know if I can help in any way.
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Bob, your points are duly noted. However, in this case, I used tracks that were about 3 min in duration or longer, and I have selected "play next" no later than about 20 s from the beginning of the track, so still with some 2 min or more remaining. Many thanks for looking into it, please let me know if I can help in any way.
Found it. It will be re-fixed in the next build...
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That was very quick, many thanks. Would it be the next build of MC on the server (Mac in my case) or on the Id that I'd need? Or both, plus the next build of JRemote, too, that's needed?
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We're working on packaging. We have a logo now.
(http://wiki.jriver.com/images/a/ab/IdLogo2.jpg)
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That was very quick, many thanks. Would it be the next build of MC on the server (Mac in my case) or on the Id that I'd need? Or both, plus the next build of JRemote, too, that's needed?
It's looking like both since there are issues with the renderer as well that weren't addresses by the change to the server. The problem with the renderer is that it's too smart. It thinks it can add to positions >1 but SetNext doesn't allow that.
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Did it cutoff right at 5000?
I tried to duplicate this however there's only about 5200 in my library so of course it worked. Also since I don't have your specific NAS it could be a bit tricky.
You loaded it exactly the same way in the previous version?
Actually, it was exactly 3000 (I had another look).
Could you please expand your instructions on using the repair utility.
What is the purpose of the md.5 file?
Does it also need to be loaded onto the usb stick?
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md5 is a checksum, a way of verifying the integrity of the file. Its use is optional. It isn't needed on the USB stick.
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Yes. MC on the Id will play anything that MC on Windows plays.
I am guessing that you were responding to my question about "Multichannel and DSD are supported over HDMI."?
If so, I cannot find a way to play DSD over HDMI on Windows 7. Turning on "Bitstreaming - DSD" results in noise and very low level audible music, while receiver still shows "PCM". Setting the encoding to DSD is not an option, I suppose, as options are DoP (Which no HDMI based device supports) or VST driver (which does not exist for any HDMI driver I know of)
- can you please help with advise how to achieve this?
Thanks, Andrej
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Actually, it was exactly 3000 (I had another look).
Could you please expand your instructions on using the repair utility.
What is the purpose of the md.5 file?
Does it also need to be loaded onto the usb stick?
I don't think your issue will be fixed by the repair utility.
I'm working on updating the Id repair utility that will be a bit more descriptive of the functions.
In your case, since MC is running OK I'd think only the memtest and the restore original settings would be useful.
You can always do the restore original settings function from the Id menu (if you can get to it which I assume you can).
Note that this will delete your library.
I'm not seeing an obvious reason why the behavior should have changed when the build was updated from 20.0.27 to 20.0.33.
(I assume your updates were up to date and that you weren't updating from 19.0.xxx).
When MC connects to a remote library via DLNA it does a search for all media files.
Does your DLNA NAS contain only audio files?
What are the file types of the media on your NAS?
Thanks.
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I don't think your issue will be fixed by the repair utility.
I'm working on updating the Id repair utility that will be a bit more descriptive of the functions.
In your case, since MC is running OK I'd think only the memtest and the restore original settings would be useful.
You can always do the restore original settings function from the Id menu (if you can get to it which I assume you can).
Note that this will delete your library.
I'm not seeing an obvious reason why the behavior should have changed when the build was updated from 20.0.27 to 20.0.33.
(I assume your updates were up to date and that you weren't updating from 19.0.xxx).
When MC connects to a remote library via DLNA it does a search for all media files.
Does your DLNA NAS contain only audio files?
What are the file types of the media on your NAS?
Thanks.
The Id updated from 20.0.27 to 20.0.33.
I have tried the 77 option to reset to the original settings without library.
The Id displays the ReadyNAS, but when I click to load the library, nothing happens.
The usual "the files are loading in the background etc" message doesn't appear.
The NAS only has music files on it in 3 folders (music, blues and compilations).
Mainly flac, but also some wav, aiff and a few m4a (old jazz and blues).
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Is there a guide or a post anywhere that explains how volume levelling and/or replay gain should be configured and used with Id? To be honest, I am a bit confused if this is a function of the renderer, server, or maybe the DAC in my AVR.
Just to summarise the scenario: music is FLAC: mostly 16/44.1 ripped from CDs with RG Track and Album calculated and tagged, but not applied to the file in the sense of modifying the audio itself, using dbPowerAmp, plus some 24/96 hi-res purchases, which might need to have RG calculated and tagged. All of these files are served by MC 20 from a headless Mac, controlled by JRemote, and rendered to the Id which is connected to my AVR (Anthem MRX 710) using HDMI.
I observe some excessive variability of playback levels and I was wondering if any volume levelling function was there in place by default, and how should I control it. Indeed, are there any "best practices" suggesting to, or not to do so at all? It'd be more of a nice-to-have feature for album play, but quite a necessity for track-based playlists, in my case.
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I can use the Id playing music files from QNAP NAS (with minim server) to DAC without the laptop running.
In Menu #11 -show network information- it shows an IP address however when in F2 setup it shows ´´Network disconnected``.
Selecting any other menu except ´11` for network information message:3166 Hangup mediacenter20 > /dev/null 2>81 rpcbind
terminating on signal. Restart with ‘’rpcbind –w’’.
So no updates possible.
Updated BIOS to version 40 via USB.
What can I do?
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The Id updated from 20.0.27 to 20.0.33.
I have tried the 77 option to reset to the original settings without library.
The Id displays the ReadyNAS, but when I click to load the library, nothing happens.
The usual "the files are loading in the background etc" message doesn't appear.
The NAS only has music files on it in 3 folders (music, blues and compilations).
Mainly flac, but also some wav, aiff and a few m4a (old jazz and blues).
I'll test with some aiff, I don't have any of those in my library.
Are the extensions on them aiff or aif? I've seen them both ways.
The loading in the background message isn't enabled on linux yet IIRC.
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Is there a guide or a post anywhere that explains how volume levelling and/or replay gain should be configured and used with Id? To be honest, I am a bit confused if this is a function of the renderer, server, or maybe the DAC in my AVR.
Just to summarise the scenario: music is FLAC: mostly 16/44.1 ripped from CDs with RG Track and Album calculated and tagged, but not applied to the file in the sense of modifying the audio itself, using dbPowerAmp, plus some 24/96 hi-res purchases, which might need to have RG calculated and tagged. All of these files are served by MC 20 from a headless Mac, controlled by JRemote, and rendered to the Id which is connected to my AVR (Anthem MRX 710) using HDMI.
I observe some excessive variability of playback levels and I was wondering if any volume levelling function was there in place by default, and how should I control it. Indeed, are there any "best practices" suggesting to, or not to do so at all? It'd be more of a nice-to-have feature for album play, but quite a necessity for track-based playlists, in my case.
Volume leveling is done on the server and requires "specified format" to be set in the DLNA servers audio options. This means you'll be sending the file to the renderer as either a PCM wave or headless file depending on your renderer. (unless you use mp3 which I assume you won't).
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I can use the Id playing music files from QNAP NAS (with minim server) to DAC without the laptop running.
In Menu #11 -show network information- it shows an IP address however when in F2 setup it shows ´´Network disconnected``.
Selecting any other menu except ´11` for network information message:3166 Hangup mediacenter20 > /dev/null 2>81 rpcbind
terminating on signal. Restart with ‘’rpcbind –w’’.
So no updates possible.
Updated BIOS to version 40 via USB.
What can I do?
The bios should be using version 34. I've not tried 40 but none of the others would boot headlessly.
You won't see an address in F2 (the bios).
If you see one booted into the in with #11 you should be OK. (it should be an IPV4 address, likely something like 192.168.0.100)
Most of the functions other than 11 change the configuration of the ID and make it reboot.
What specific issue are you having?
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Thank's, will boot to BIOS Ver.34 once I am back.
Selecting any other menu except ''11'' for network information Id always hangs up with message:3166 Hangup mediacenter20 > /dev/null 2>81 rpcbind terminating on signal. Restart with ''rpcbind –w'', and I have to press and
hold on/off until it shuts down, than push on only to restart.
So no updates possible.
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Thank's, will boot to BIOS Ver.34 once I am back.
Selecting any other menu except ''11'' for network information Id always hangs up with message:3166 Hangup mediacenter20 > /dev/null 2>81 rpcbind terminating on signal. Restart with ''rpcbind –w'', and I have to press and
hold on/off until it shuts down, than push on only to restart.
So no updates possible.
It will actually do the update but just not reboot.
The hangup message is expected. We tell Media Center to quit before we make changes to the Id system.
This is not a generic issue, I can't reproduce it here but a few people have said they have this problem.
Are you using an external USB DAC?
You could use the repair utility to check the Id memory.
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Where is the "Server Mode switch" located in MC 20 for the Id?
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There isn't a server mode switch. What are you trying to do?
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There isn't a server mode switch. What are you trying to do?
I want to copy files to the Id SSD.
Both you and Bob referred to such a device in a previous Id discussion (not part of this thread).
You said:
“It looks like Samba isn't turned on unless the server mode is set on the Id. Then you can use Windows networking to copy files to the Id. I put them under Media, but they may need to be in a directory called Music under Media. I had to import them manually”
Bob then said:"The server mode switch doesn't affect that"
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If you use Windows networking on a Windows machine, you should see the Id as a server.
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If you use Windows networking on a Windows machine, you should see the Id as a server.
I can see the Id as a server on my Windows PC--I just can't copy audio files to the Id.
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Not even to the Media directory? Can you open it?
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Volume leveling is done on the server and requires "specified format" to be set in the DLNA servers audio options. This means you'll be sending the file to the renderer as either a PCM wave or headless file depending on your renderer. (unless you use mp3 which I assume you won't).
Bob, I use Id as the renderer, connected via HDMI to my AVR. I am not sure if I should use PCM 24bit or PCM L24 No header options in DLNA Servers configuration, and I do not understand the difference. Could you point me somewhere to read up (could not find the explanation on JRiver wiki) or please suggest which one to use?
Does this mean that the server will be doing a fair amount of real-time audio processing in this case, that is if I wish to use Volume Levelling?
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I can see the Id as a server on my Windows PC--I just can't copy audio files to the Id.
You are probably seeing the DLNA server share. Windows is a bit confusing this way.
The Id will also show up as a network share under it's name Id-xxxxxx
If you don't see that for some reason (it's in the default workgroup) you should always be able to connect to it via the IP.
For example in windows explorer
\\192.168.1.100\media
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Bob, I use Id as the renderer, connected via HDMI to my AVR. I am not sure if I should use PCM 24bit or PCM L24 No header options in DLNA Servers configuration, and I do not understand the difference. Could you point me somewhere to read up (could not find the explanation on JRiver wiki) or please suggest which one to use?
Does this mean that the server will be doing a fair amount of real-time audio processing in this case, that is if I wish to use Volume Leveling?
Rafal,
You could use either.
The only difference is that PCM 24 bit has a wave header and the PCM L24 doesn't. There are only a couple of devices that support PCM L24 (the Id being one of the two I'm familiar with).
There is no processing done when you use PCM, it's just being decoded. One side or the other has to do it eventually anyway. There is a small overhead for the volume leveling but it's minimal.
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Rafal,
You could use either.
The only difference is that PCM 24 bit has a wave header and the PCM L24 doesn't. There are only a couple of devices that support PCM L24 (the Id being one of the two I'm familiar with).
There is no processing done when you use PCM, it's just being decoded. One side or the other has to do it eventually anyway. There is a small overhead for the volume leveling but it's minimal.
Thanks for your patient explanations, Bob. I have tried it with PCM 24, I will try it now with PCM L24 no header. I have observed that gapless playback is reasonably good (sometimes there was a micro-pause) but when tracks have gaps, then these gaps now became much longer than they used to be before I have enabled these options.
I am not sure what is the difference between turning on Volume Levelling under "Advanced" vs doing it in "DSP Studio" section of that dialog.
Finally, should I also use Adaptive Playback?
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Thanks for your patient explanations, Bob. I have tried it with PCM 24, I will try it now with PCM L24 no header. I have observed that gapless playback is reasonably good (sometimes there was a micro-pause) but when tracks have gaps, then these gaps now became much longer than they used to be before I have enabled these options.
I am not sure what is the difference between turning on Volume Leveling under "Advanced" vs doing it in "DSP Studio" section of that dialog.
Finally, should I also use Adaptive Playback?
Interesting, I wouldn't have expected the gaps to change on gapped tracks.
You might want to check your Id MC audio settings.
I use Track change:
Gapless
unclick do not play silence
click gapless for sequential tracks
The DSP studio interface in DLNA is very new and will be getting changes.
I'd just use the volume leveling checkbox and not mess with the DSP studio settings but I don't think there would be any harm in experimenting with the adaptive playback.
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I've just updated the Id repair utility to enable a license to be re-entered in case the Id's filesystem gets seriously corrupted.
Also fixed a couple of small bugs.
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Here is an Id repair utility image link:
http://files.jriver.com/Id/idrepair.iso
and its md5sum
http://files.jriver.com/Id/idrepair.iso.md5
Hi, Bob. I am running into the same corrupted update issue that others have, but I cannot access the repair ISO. I am getting an "HTTP 403 Forbidden" error, saying that I need a username/password to access the site. Is there any way you could post or PM the info?
By the way, BIOS 41 looks like it may be booting into headless text mode, but I cannot tell for sure, since the MC on my Id is stuffed. I do know I can at least boot to the text menu, and the \\Id\media file share is visible on the network. For now, though, I have downgraded to BIOS 34 so I can be sure to get this up and running.
Thanks! :)
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Hi, Bob. I am running into the same corrupted update issue that others have, but I cannot access the repair ISO. I am getting an "HTTP 403 Forbidden" error, saying that I need a username/password to access the site. Is there any way you could post or PM the info?
By the way, BIOS 41 looks like it may be booting into headless text mode, but I cannot tell for sure, since the MC on my Id is stuffed. I do know I can at least boot to the text menu, and the \\Id\media file share is visible on the network. For now, though, I have downgraded to BIOS 34 so I can be sure to get this up and running.
Thanks! :)
Sorry, I uploaded a new version and forgot to change the permissions.
It's good now.
Some things to check, your BIOS settings might be causing the reboot trouble.
Here is what they are set to when we ship them (differences from the default)
1) Setting time and date properly on the main tab
2) Under the power tab:
a: after power failure -> Stay off
b: wake on lan from s4:s5 ->Stay off
c: pcie aspm support ->disable
3) Under the cooling tab for both memory temp and mb ambient temp
should be set to:
88
68
78
In order from top to bottom. (as per a debug on Intels NUC forum)
I added a license restore on this version, don't use it if you don't need it.
Your license should be good.
We won't be able to retrieve your code until Monday if you try the license restore.
Let me know if this fixes your update blues.
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Hi, Bob. That was fast!
I am downloading the ISO file right now, but it might be a while before I can actually get a chance to try it out. I'll let you know for sure once I actually do.
I checked the BIOS settings. Everything is just as you said. (Time is set to UTC, not Central Time. I don't know if that makes a difference.) At least I know that I have the right settings.
Thanks again. I'll let you know!
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Great, it worked!!! I used Rufus to write the ISO to a USB stick, booted to the USB, and chose the #4 "restore the Id firmware" repair option. Now I am back in business. :D
Oh, and might I add, that is a very soothing background screen for the repair utility. Thanks for all your help, bob!
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Great, it worked!!! I used Rufus to write the ISO to a USB stick, booted to the USB, and chose the #4 "restore the Id firmware" repair option. Now I am back in business. :D
Oh, and might I add, that is a very soothing background screen for the repair utility. Thanks for all your help, bob!
Good to hear, thanks for the report!
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Bob deserves a big thank you and congratulations for getting the Id on a Stick so far along. It has a _lot_ of moving parts. Very well done.
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Interesting, I wouldn't have expected the gaps to change on gapped tracks.
You might want to check your Id MC audio settings.
I use Track change:
Gapless
unclick do not play silence
click gapless for sequential tracks
The DSP studio interface in DLNA is very new and will be getting changes.
I'd just use the volume leveling checkbox and not mess with the DSP studio settings but I don't think there would be any harm in experimenting with the adaptive playback.
Bob, I have spent some time with this, and I've hit a few bumps. First of all, the PCM L24 No header option does not seem to play back on the Id: tracks simply skip to the next one, one by one. It does work, however, with the PCM 24 option.
The issue with gaps is more complex. It looks like gapped ends up having variable gaps (from 2-12 s) but gapless, unfortunately, also becomes gapped sometimes. I have a couple of albums I listened to, on one one gapless change always takes about a 1.5s now, while another one takes from a 1/4s to about 7s. I wonder if there is some kind of an extra load on the server that makes the file unavailable on time for Id, perhaps? I am thinking so, because the gaps are longer before a longer (and so more complex?) track than before a shorter track. Also, replaying the transition a few times makes it gapless—at least for the next play. Can you think of any options on the server (Mac MC .39) or on Id, which I could try turning on to increase the level of buffering/caching/prefetching whichever might be available?
Finally, I could not quite find where was the option you have referred to, that is "Gapless, unclick do not play silence, click gapless for sequential tracks" in the DLNA server configuration. Or am I perhaps supposed to boot Id into GUI and configure it on the Id? Sorry for being clueless about the UI, but MC has a pretty complex UI in terms of option hunting. Many thanks, and regards from Ireland.
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Bob, I have spent some time with this, and I've hit a few bumps. First of all, the PCM L24 No header option does not seem to play back on the Id: tracks simply skip to the next one, one by one. It does work, however, with the PCM 24 option.
The issue with gaps is more complex. It looks like gapped ends up having variable gaps (from 2-12 s) but gapless, unfortunately, also becomes gapped sometimes. I have a couple of albums I listened to, on one one gapless change always takes about a 1.5s now, while another one takes from a 1/4s to about 7s. I wonder if there is some kind of an extra load on the server that makes the file unavailable on time for Id, perhaps? I am thinking so, because the gaps are longer before a longer (and so more complex?) track than before a shorter track. Also, replaying the transition a few times makes it gapless—at least for the next play. Can you think of any options on the server (Mac MC .39) or on Id, which I could try turning on to increase the level of buffering/caching/prefetching whichever might be available?
Finally, I could not quite find where was the option you have referred to, that is "Gapless, unclick do not play silence, click gapless for sequential tracks" in the DLNA server configuration. Or am I perhaps supposed to boot Id into GUI and configure it on the Id? Sorry for being clueless about the UI, but MC has a pretty complex UI in terms of option hunting. Many thanks, and regards from Ireland.
I'll check into the PCML24 issue, it sounds like a bug.
I should have been more explicit with the audio settings description. They are on the Id accessed from GUI mode.
Your files are being decoded into wave for playback on the server side, in general what are the characteristics of the tracks are you playing to the Id? (format, sample rate, bitdepth)
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I'll check into the PCML24 issue, it sounds like a bug.
I should have been more explicit with the audio settings description. They are on the Id accessed from GUI mode.
Your files are being decoded into wave for playback on the server side, in general what are the characteristics of the tracks are you playing to the Id? (format, sample rate, bitdepth)
I'll check the settings in the GUI mode, thanks for letting me know.
The tracks are audio-only FLAC, 16/44.1. The longer ones (8-12 min) seem to cause the gaps in gapless when using volume levelling. Without volume levelling I only rarely experienced a "stutter" in gapless transition.
By the way, I am installing .40 to test the most recent fixes regarding the playlist sync vs. play-next operation. One thing that is making it harder to test at the moment, however, is that I can no longer clear the playlist from JRemote, because of a new "Are you sure" style dialog box that pops up on the headless server, which cannot be dismissed remotely. But I will figure out a way of doing it by having a separate laptop connecting via screen sharing to the server to keep dismissing these pop ups. I'll post results soon.
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BTW, a quick test showed that the playlist-vs-play-next problem is still there, however, I have only updated the server MC to .40 as I don't believe there is a newer version of it for the Id. I assume that I would need that newer Id version to make this issue go away completely.
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BTW, a quick test showed that the playlist-vs-play-next problem is still there, however, I have only updated the server MC to .40 as I don't believe there is a newer version of it for the Id. I assume that I would need that newer Id version to make this issue go away completely.
Yes, you need both and I haven't updated the Id yet because I want to make sure 42 is solid.
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One thing that is making it harder to test at the moment, however, is that I can no longer clear the playlist from JRemote, because of a new "Are you sure" style dialog box that pops up on the headless server, which cannot be dismissed remotely. But I will figure out a way of doing it by having a separate laptop connecting via screen sharing to the server to keep dismissing these pop ups. I'll post results soon.
That's a bug. Nothing remote is supposed to cause a popup on the server.
It just started?
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That's bug. Nothing remote is supposed to cause a popup on the server.
It just started?
It started when I upgraded MC server to .39. I've reported it on the Mac MC thread, but you are the first from JR. to have acknowledged it.
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What's the exact text of the prompt?
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What's the exact text of the prompt?
The server pops up a message asking "Would you like to clear Playing Now? This will stop playback.".
Thanks for looking into it, very much.
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The server pops up a message asking "Would you like to clear Playing Now? This will stop playback.".
Thanks for looking into it, very much.
Well we added a confirmation to clearing Playing Now, but obviously we need to suppress the prompt in this case.
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Well we added a confirmation to clearing Playing Now, but obviously we need to suppress the prompt in this case.
Many thanks, this would be useful, because it stopped a couple of the JRemote functions from working... Also, when I connect to the server, I have a few dozen of those messages to dismiss before I can do anything else on it.
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You are probably seeing the DLNA server share.
Yeah--that's what it was. Thanks.
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Hi, I'm considering purchasing an Id but have Two questions:
1. With media stored on the Id, can it serve (push) to another DLNA capable device such as the Oppo BDP-105 over the network connection while being controlled by a handheld device (iphone or android)? I want to do this with NO computer on the network running MC. I can easily serve music to the Oppo over network now using MC19 on a Windows PC.
The Oppo has an asynchronous USB input but it requires a USB driver on windows devices. I read in an earlier thread that the Id only works with devices that don't require a USB driver. The Oppo manual says that no USB driver is required on mac and none are "available" for Linux, but it doesn't say whether or not one is needed for Linux. If the ID will work with the Oppo USB input, then I won't need the ability to push music over the network. The Oppo can also "pull" music off of network devices but the interface is too crude for regular use in this manner. Does anyone have any experience using the Id with an Oppo player?
I guess as a last resort I could install a HDMI splitter and use that output from the Id. Would this work?
2. Bob mentioned that the Id will be able to access music files stored on an attached USB drive in the future. Will this work only on Ids sold after this development or will older Ids be made capable with a software update?
thanks for your help.
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The Id could serve files to an Oppo and you could control it with JRemote or Gizmo (iOS and Android, respectively.) The Id doesn't have a large disk though. Enough space for about 300 CD's.
To do what you propose would require that the Oppo works well as a Renderer. Not all devices do.
I don't know how we will handle USB drives yet.
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I must say that the Id looks awesome, but I am not sure I fully understand it's purpose. It appears it is not an HTPC substitute. Rather, it looks like it can connect to a PC or NAS and then stream to a receiver or DAC via DLNA. As a DLNA server, I'm guessing it will not solve the problem of not being able to have gapless playback via DLNA. It seems like the main advantages are
If I have my music on a NAS, it looks like I can play music using JRemote and Id without turning on a computer running MC. However, I'm guessing I need to purchase the special Linux version of MC to do this, right?
If I am already running music to my networked receiver using a DLNA connection, I don't see what this does for me.
Am I missing something? Not trying to be difficult -- just want to understand the benefits of this cool looking device.
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If I have my music on a NAS, it looks like I can play music using JRemote and Id without turning on a computer running MC. However, I'm guessing I need to purchase the special Linux version of MC to do this, right?
That's what it can do. It includes the Linux version of MC. It's completely configured and ready to use.
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It will actually do the update but just not reboot.
The hangup message is expected. We tell Media Center to quit before we make changes to the Id system.
This is not a generic issue, I can't reproduce it here but a few people have said they have this problem.
Are you using an external USB DAC?
You could use the repair utility to check the Id memory.
I changed to BIOS 34 with no change. However as long as an USB stick is attached the Id is able to update
and reboot without hang up. As I use a PS Audio PWD DAC how can I play music files via HDMI out from the Id
to the PS Audio DAC (it has HDMI Audio in)?
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If you select the HDMI output, it should just work.
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As I use a PS Audio PWD DAC how can I play music files via HDMI out from the Id
to the PS Audio DAC (it has HDMI Audio in)?
I own and use a PS Audio DAC (PWD MK II) that has the HDMI sockets intended for I2S input only and not HDMI input. Your DAC owners manual should confirm whether this is also the case for you.
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I own and use a PS Audio DAC (PWD MK II) that has the HDMI sockets intended for I2S input only and not HDMI input. Your DAC owners manual should confirm whether this is also the case for you.
Thank's, I2S is not working but USB does.
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Thank's, I2S is not working but USB does.
That's because the Id doesn't do I2S.
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I did some testing with Intel BIOS versions 34 and 41:
With BIOS 34, all three startup options (GUI, headless text, and text with HDMI) work fine all the time.
With BIOS 41, all three startup options work fine as long as there is an HDMI cable connected to a monitor. If the HDMI cable is disconnected, the Id will hang while booting. However, I have found that if I leave the HDMI cable connected long enough to see the GRUB boot loader and then disconnect the HDMI cable while it is counting down, all three modes work. So it seems to be a case of the Id hanging at the GRUB bootloader if no HDMI monitor is attached.
Back to BIOS 34 for now, but I hope this helps troubleshoot the BIOS issue.
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I did some testing with Intel BIOS versions 34 and 41:
With BIOS 34, all three startup options (GUI, headless text, and text with HDMI) work fine all the time.
With BIOS 41, all three startup options work fine as long as there is an HDMI cable connected to a monitor. If the HDMI cable is disconnected, the Id will hang while booting. However, I have found that if I leave the HDMI cable connected long enough to see the GRUB boot loader and then disconnect the HDMI cable while it is counting down, all three modes work. So it seems to be a case of the Id hanging at the GRUB bootloader if no HDMI monitor is attached.
Back to BIOS 34 for now, but I hope this helps troubleshoot the BIOS issue.
Thanks for the report.
As far as I've seen, only 34 will boot without a cable or hdmi dummy plug.
I've been experimenting with a newer version of grub (not done yet). An update to that is a bit tricky however.
I'd like to avoid situations where one would have to use the rescue usb stick.
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I'd like to avoid situations where one would have to use the rescue usb stick.
Agreed. ;)
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Did it cutoff right at 5000?
I tried to duplicate this however there's only about 5200 in my library so of course it worked. Also since I don't have your specific NAS it could be a bit tricky.
You loaded it exactly the same way in the previous version?
I've run the repair utility. It didn't make any difference, apart than the Id would only load 1000 files from my NAS.
I've checked the memory and tried other scenarios without any success.
The Id will run with importing the library from my Windows PC.
But it takes over 20 minutes to recognize the NAS. It will now not import any files from the NAS.
The Id "loses" the NAS from its library after a short while.
The Windows 8.1 PC recognizes the NAS immediately.
I suspect that the Realtek network adapter in the Id is faulty.
My router (Netgear) displays the Id and I can push to the Id from my windows PC.
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I've run the repair utility. It didn't make any difference, apart than the Id would only load 1000 files from my NAS.
I've checked the memory and tried other scenarios without any success.
The Id will run with importing the library from my Windows PC.
But it takes over 20 minutes to recognize the NAS. It will now not import any files from the NAS.
The Id "loses" the NAS from its library after a short while.
The Windows 8.1 PC recognizes the NAS immediately.
I suspect that the Realtek network adapter in the Id is faulty.
My router (Netgear) displays the Id and I can push to the Id from my windows PC.
The difference with windows recognizing the NAS is that it doesn't try to load it all, it just browses it.
Is it possible that your network cable to the Id or NAS is bad?
I assume you've powercycled both the NAS and router?
Perhaps there is a problem with the switch in the router. It's tough to figure out connectivity issues without
swapping out components.
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Quote from: JimH on September 14, 2014, 08:46:20 pm :
Yes. MC on the Id will play anything that MC on Windows plays.
I am guessing that you were responding to my question about "Multichannel and DSD are supported over HDMI."? (which is an advertised feature of Id, as per http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id)
If so, I cannot find a way to play DSD over HDMI on Windows 7. Turning on "Bitstreaming - DSD" results in noise and very low level audible music, while receiver still shows "PCM". Setting the encoding to DSD is not an option, I suppose, as options are DoP (Which no HDMI based device supports) or VST driver (which does not exist for any HDMI driver I know of)
- can you please help with advice on how to achieve this?
Thanks, Andrej
Any response very much appreciated. I would contact support, but I cannot find ANY contact information for JRiver support ANYWHERE. (?)
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On the server side, you would want "unchanged". You want to give the Id the original file.
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Good morning,
I am currently using a Win7 PC/MC to send my audio singal via USB 2.0 to a McIntosh D100 preamplifier/DAC. The preamplifier requires a Windows driver to operate, but also has coaxial and optical digital inputs. Am I correct in understanding that I would be unable to use the USB connection from the Id with my D100? As always, I appreciate your input.
Best regards,
Tim
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I'm sorry, but I don't know the answer. It might work without a driver. You could try it without a driver on another machine, just to see if it works.
You might ask on a forum where other McIntosh users post. Try searching for "D100 forum" or similar.
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The difference with windows recognizing the NAS is that it doesn't try to load it all, it just browses it.
Is it possible that your network cable to the Id or NAS is bad?
I assume you've powercycled both the NAS and router?
Perhaps there is a problem with the switch in the router. It's tough to figure out connectivity issues without
swapping out components.
"Tough" is an understatement! I eventually solved the problem. It was software, but not in the Id.
A firmware update for the NAS arrived about the same time as the Id update.
The firmware update on the Netgear ReadyNas 312 had set the settings back to "standard".
This had the effect of turning off DLNA sharing. As the NAS is set up in windows as a network drive, the Windows MC20 would recognize it.
But not the Id, which runs Linux.
It was a major PITA to sort out. I had swapped about just about every cable and component in my system (including the NAS) trying to sort it out.
One click of the mouse to re-enable DLNA sharing on the NAS and all was good.
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"Tough" is an understatement! I eventually solved the problem. It was software, but not in the Id.
A firmware update for the NAS arrived about the same time as the Id update.
The firmware update on the Netgear ReadyNas 312 had set the settings back to "standard".
This had the effect of turning off DLNA sharing. As the NAS is set up in windows as a network drive, the Windows MC20 would recognize it.
But not the Id, which runs Linux.
It was a major PITA to sort out. I had swapped about just about every cable and component in my system (including the NAS) trying to sort it out.
One click of the mouse to re-enable DLNA sharing on the NAS and all was good.
That's a heck of a good example of problem solving, there are a lot of variables in most of our setups these days and tracking down the weak link can be a pain.
I recently had one at home where I had one device which could pull good speed on my wireless network and nothing else could. I eventually tracked it
down after several months of part time tinkering to a bad ethernet switch! I think the timing was such that the one device that worked was just slow enough to
not trigger the problem where the faster devices did. Of course I suspected everything but the dumb switch, routers, cable lengths, etc.
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On the server side, you would want "unchanged". You want to give the Id the original file.
Hi Jim, just wondering to which post/question where you responding? Because I suspect it may be to mine, just like your response the last time, that made no reference to the question, or issue...
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If it follows your question, it's in reply to it.
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Hi Folks,
Considering the Id as a renderer connected via USB to an Ayre QB-9. However, the experiences with various USB DACs seem a little hit or miss. On paper I believe the Ayre should work with the Id in USB 2.0 "High Speed" mode. Anyone out there try this combo?
TIA
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Most USB DAC's will work. Ayre would be very likely. It mainly depends on whether a USB driver is required.
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Most USB DAC's will work. Ayre would be very likely. It mainly depends on whether a USB driver is required.
Thanks Jim. Ayre states that a driver is required for Windows since Win doesn't support USB 2.0 High Speed. I think your version of Linux does, so hoping it works in High Speed-Asynch mode out of the box with the ID. But thought I'd check with the community to see if there were any experiences before taking a flyer and doing my own R&D.
Seems to me the ID is really meant to be used in this type of configuration, or it would certainly be a popular one. Given that have you guys considered sending ID's to say the top 10 USB DAC mfg's (do a reader's poll to get an initial list) and have them do a little validation for you? Kind of an ID USB plugfest. I'm sure most of the manufacturers would be up for this given the popularity of JRiver in the audiophile community.
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Update to 20.0.43 posted. Run the Id update function to get it.
This will fix issues with dynamically changing the playlist during playback especially noticed when using a remote (like Gizmo or JRemote).
Note that you'll also have to update your Windows or Mac MC if that what you are connecting to with Gizmo/JRemote.
Windows MC needs to be >= 20.0.42
Mac MC needs to be >= 20.0.40
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Thank you for the reply Jim. I'll see what I can find out about my Mac DAC and its need for an ASIO USB driver.
Best regards,
Tim
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Please help if you can..
I have been running my ID for several months as a renderer with no issues.
When I selected (12) to check for updates on my ID today I ended up with a message indicating that
"grep:/home/media/.jriver/media center 20/settings/user settings.ini: No such file or directory "
any ideas?
Thanks in advance!
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Please help if you can..
I have been running my ID for several months as a renderer with no issues.
When I selected (12) to check for updates on my ID today I ended up with a message indicating that
"grep:/home/media/.jriver/media center 20/settings/user settings.ini: No such file or directory "
any ideas?
Thanks in advance!
Were there any issues with the update? Had you performed an update previously?
It looks like the settings for Media Center have been lost.
You can use function 77 to restore the Id stock settings.
If you've made any changes from the stock settings you'll need to re-enter them.
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Thanks for the prompt response.
This is my first time attempting to update.
"77" did not work.
I tried selecting some of the restore functions after the boot up sequence but to no avail.
Can I reload the JRiver program into my NUC?
Thanks,
John
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Thanks for the prompt response.
This is my first time attempting to update.
"77" did not work.
I tried selecting some of the restore functions after the boot up sequence but to no avail.
Can I reload the JRiver program into my NUC?
Thanks,
John
Yes, there is a recovery image here that you can put on a USB stick and run to get the Id back to stock. It will fit on a 1 gig or larger usb stick.
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=91344.msg644525#msg644525 (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=91344.msg644525#msg644525)
You might want to read that message and the couple of references to it.
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=91344.msg645187#msg645187 (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=91344.msg645187#msg645187)
You should run the update function after restoring and rebooting the Id.
Note that the update can take a while. Just let it sit if it looks like it's doing nothing.
I'm concerned that the 77 function didn't work. The Id might have lost the license in that case (if so you'll need to reinstall it after running the restore).
We'll need to look that up. PM me with the serial number from the bottom of your Id..
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All fixed! ;D
Thanks SO much.
Now it wants me to buy MC20!! I was happy with MC19 :o
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The Id comes with an MC20 license for Linux.
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That's a heck of a good example of problem solving, there are a lot of variables in most of our setups these days and tracking down the weak link can be a pain.
I recently had one at home where I had one device which could pull good speed on my wireless network and nothing else could. I eventually tracked it
down after several months of part time tinkering to a bad ethernet switch! I think the timing was such that the one device that worked was just slow enough to
not trigger the problem where the faster devices did. Of course I suspected everything but the dumb switch, routers, cable lengths, etc.
Whilst I'm still in a debugging mindset, is there a setting that I have missed that will allow (or is preventing) aiff and ape files to be imported from my NAS to either the Id or my Windows 8.1 PC libraries?
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The Id comes with an MC20 license for Linux.
I stand corrected!
I assumed that the ID had upgraded to MC 20 because there was a message on the screen (approximately)
"30 day left on MC20 trial
PURCHASE - CANCEL-CONTINUE"
thanks again,,,
ps,,,will the ID now support attached usb drives?
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I stand corrected!
I assumed that the ID had upgraded to MC 20 because there was a message on the screen (approximately)
"30 day left on MC20 trial
PURCHASE - CANCEL-CONTINUE"
thanks again,,,
ps,,,will the ID now support attached usb drives?
Send me a PM (Personal Message) with your serial number from the bottom of your ID and I'll send you the registration code.
You just need to run the repair stick again and choose ONLY the restore license function and type in the code I send you.
The repair disk is a little ahead of the update process and includes an automount of external usb disks. They will be mounted read-write though.
The next ID update will have an option to allow them to be mounted read-only or read-write.
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Pm sent,,thanks!
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If it follows your question, it's in reply to it.
OK so you say "MC on the Id will play anything that MC on Windows plays". MC on Windows does not "play" DSD (in it's native form) over HDMI. Correct?
So this statement still at your web site (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id) is incorrect/misleading:
"Multichannel and DSD are supported over HDMI."
and should read:
"Multichannel PCM is supported over HDMI. DSD can be played over HDMI only by converting it to PCM first.
DSD is supported in native format over USB, and for DoP capable devices only."
Correct/not correct?
Thanks,
Andrej
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Update to 20.0.43 posted. Run the Id update function to get it.
This will fix issues with dynamically changing the playlist during playback especially noticed when using a remote (like Gizmo or JRemote).
Bob, thank you very much for fixing this issue. Please pass my gratitude to your colleagues who have worked on this with you. I can confirm that, indeed, the issue is gone. I have not tried every possible combination of setting play-next, but the few I tested worked as expected. It is wonderful to see how your team is able of fixing issues that concern your customers, a sign of a caring company.
On another note, I think I know what is causing my update issues. Update worked, but the problem seems to be the reboots afterward when connected using HDMI to my AVR and PJ. It boots, messages appear, then a blank screen and it locks up (keyboard dead). Rebooting it with a different monitor (a Dell), or without one, makes it start up correctly, then I can connect it to my AVR/PJ. Perhaps it is a HDMI handshake or something similar, but it consistently errs.
May I ask what is the difference between the two non-GUI modes? Maybe I am using the wrong one?
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Bob, thank you very much for fixing this issue. Please pass my gratitude to your colleagues who have worked on this with you. I can confirm that, indeed, the issue is gone. I have not tried every possible combination of setting play-next, but the few I tested worked as expected. It is wonderful to see how your team is able of fixing issues that concern your customers, a sign of a caring company.
On another note, I think I know what is causing my update issues. Update worked, but the problem seems to be the reboots afterward when connected using HDMI to my AVR and PJ. It boots, messages appear, then a blank screen and it locks up (keyboard dead). Rebooting it with a different monitor (a Dell), or without one, makes it start up correctly, then I can connect it to my AVR/PJ. Perhaps it is a HDMI handshake or something similar, but it consistently errs.
May I ask what is the difference between the two non-GUI modes? Maybe I am using the wrong one?
Hi Rafal,
Glad to hear the playlists work for you now.
The HDMI initialization is partially the job of the bios and partially the kernel during the boot process.
The bios part is something we can't do a lot with. The reason why we've been using bios 34 by default is that it seems to be the only one that will let use boot headless, it's compatible with the linux boot kernel startup code which skips the HDMI initialization.
That is the difference between the two non-gui modes.
One initializes HDMI (required for some amps) and the other doesn't (required for running with no monitor attached).
If one needs HDMI initialization for their amp but wants to run headless they will probably need to get one of those dummy hdmi monitor plugs.
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Many thanks, Bob. BIOS boot works fine always, even the GRUB part works. It is the third part of the boot/startup sequence which hangs if booted while connected up. Anyway, I will try the mode without HDMI init to see what happens.
May I trouble you with another issue, that of gapless no longer being so with Volume Levelling on? I experience gaps between a fraction of a second to as long as 10 seconds, between gapless tracks, since I have turned Volume Levelling on on the MC server (Mac) while playing through Id. I think it is related to how long or complex the next track is, since the gap is longer when playing 5.1 track than when I play its otherwise identical 2 channel version. Also, longer tracks mean longer gaps. I run Activity Monitor on the server to see what's happening, and I can see that about 2 seconds before the tracks change MC gets busy, spinning the processor usage up, and the duration of the unwanted delay matches perfectly the moment when MC is done with its high CPU task. Longer multichannel tracks mean MC is using 100% CPU while simpler tracks peak at 60% on my 2009 Mac mini. Memory is no concern. MC seems to be using about 30 threads.
Is there a setting where I could force MC to perform the volume levelling operation earlier than the 2 s prior to when the file is needed? This would be a simple way of diagnosing and troubleshooting this issue at the same time. Ideally, the next track would be readied some 15-20 sec earlier. I realise this may mess up last-minute track changes, but the majority of the time it would enable gapless to work with Volume Levelling on less powerful (but still very capable) hardware.
If I am wrong, please set me right. Many thanks, as always.
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Many thanks, Bob. BIOS boot works fine always, even the GRUB part works. It is the third part of the boot/startup sequence which hangs if booted while connected up. Anyway, I will try the mode without HDMI init to see what happens.
May I trouble you with another issue, that of gapless no longer being so with Volume Levelling on? I experience gaps between a fraction of a second to as long as 10 seconds, between gapless tracks, since I have turned Volume Levelling on on the MC server (Mac) while playing through Id. I think it is related to how long or complex the next track is, since the gap is longer when playing 5.1 track than when I play its otherwise identical 2 channel version. Also, longer tracks mean longer gaps. I run Activity Monitor on the server to see what's happening, and I can see that about 2 seconds before the tracks change MC gets busy, spinning the processor usage up, and the duration of the unwanted delay matches perfectly the moment when MC is done with its high CPU task. Longer multichannel tracks mean MC is using 100% CPU while simpler tracks peak at 60% on my 2009 Mac mini. Memory is no concern. MC seems to be using about 30 threads.
Is there a setting where I could force MC to perform the volume levelling operation earlier than the 2 s prior to when the file is needed? This would be a simple way of diagnosing and troubleshooting this issue at the same time. Ideally, the next track would be readied some 15-20 sec earlier. I realise this may mess up last-minute track changes, but the majority of the time it would enable gapless to work with Volume Levelling on less powerful (but still very capable) hardware.
If I am wrong, please set me right. Many thanks, as always.
I think it's because the next file isn't being requested early enough as you say.
Another possibility is that we're waiting until the conversion is done to allow the file to be served but that shouldn't be the case.
There isn't anything you can do about it with settings, we'll have to look at that.
One other thing I was thinking about, I think you could do without conversion if your file tags had the volume leveling value in it. Then the renderer (Id) should handle it.
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I think it's because the next file isn't being requested early enough as you say.
Another possibility is that we're waiting until the conversion is done to allow the file to be served but that shouldn't be the case.
There isn't anything you can do about it with settings, we'll have to look at that.
One other thing I was thinking about, I think you could do without conversion if your file tags had the volume leveling value in it. Then the renderer (Id) should handle it.
Many thanks, Bob, for looking into it. Please let me know if I can help diagnose it further. As for your suggestion, how would I make Id do this? At the moment VL is configured on the server in the DLNA Servers section. All files have been tagged as I do "analyse audio" when importing (and I have processed it for all remaining ones). I was under the impression that even with the tags in place it was somehow the server (Mac) which had to perform the volume levelling, but I'd like to hear how to shift this function onto the Id. Would I have to move my libraries etc?
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Many thanks, Bob, for looking into it. Please let me know if I can help diagnose it further. As for your suggestion, how would I make Id do this? At the moment VL is configured on the server in the DLNA Servers section. All files have been tagged as I do "analyse audio" when importing (and I have processed it for all remaining ones). I was under the impression that even with the tags in place it was somehow the server (Mac) which had to perform the volume levelling, but I'd like to hear how to shift this function onto the Id. Would I have to move my libraries etc?
I was thinking that MC might read it from the file tags when the file is pushed to it but it's possible that isn't the case.
I'm not sure if that's the right thing to do anyway. Will need to check into it a bit.
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That sounds ideal, Bob. Please let me know if you have heard any consensus how things are likely to move forward on this and if I can test anything for you ahead. You have been very responsive, thanks for making Id (and MC and JRemote) such a good music system.
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Hi Folks
So sorry for not posting back here after my earlier foray with an ID, Synology NAS DS411 with DSM5.1/MediaServer as a DLNA server. I had problems with my Benchmark USB DAC1 which have been resolved now.
My setup functions pretty much OK but I'm investigating how to setup the ID so that it updates its library automatically when ever I rip CD's to the NAS using dbpoweramp. It seems a bit hit and miss I ripped a couple of CD's a few days ago but only one of them is visible in the list as viewed by JRemote on an iphone 5s. I know I can boot the ID into the gui mode and import the library again but surely I don't have to do this all the time (I'm running the ID in headless mode as there is no real need for the GUI when used a renderer otherwise) Can anyone give me some pointers to setup MC on the ID to auto sync the library ? (Yes the ripped files with folder construct are on teh NAS !!!)
Also have there been any significant improvements to the ID GUI since early October 2014. It was very unstable so I'm loathed to boot into it in case I mess something up. Whats the current ID MC version number please.
Oh yes . . . one further question (sorry) if I manage the flac files on the NAS from a PC using dbpoweramp and something like MP3TAG is there a limit to the size the cover images can be??? I saw something about this recently. Because my earlier MC collection had a mixture of embedded covers and discretly stored covers (under control of MC) I have now lost the connection between many of my flac files and there covers. I want to gets some scripts written to get these embedded in the flac files but only want to do this once !!! Any help/pointers for this exercise would be helpful. I already have some scripts to standardise my tag populating after initial rinnmping with dbpoweramp.
Thanks all.
Regards
Trevor
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Is it possible to install a larger drive in the ID?IF so can you recommend one please?
I understand it will void any warranty.
Thanks
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I was thinking that MC might read it from the file tags when the file is pushed to it but it's possible that isn't the case.
I'm not sure if that's the right thing to do anyway. Will need to check into it a bit.
Bob, I've been thinking about this a bit, and while it makes a lot of sense to have the Id do the volume levelling, since you know its compute power, while the origin server is an unknown, it would only make sense if Id was also doing the remaining tasks associated with the DLNA server, such as bitrate and sample rate conversion, perhaps the rest too, unless you could somehow decouple volume levelling from the need to upsample. I realise this is something that may be a bit more complex.
Can you think of any workarounds, in in the meantime? Or is is likely that MC on the server may soon acquire an option to force it to start preparing the next-played file earlier than the 2 seconds before the current track ends?
Gapless is hard to give up, as I'm sure you know.
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I have an ID working happily...accessing library from PC.
Any way to get multiple ID's all playing same thing same time, under Gizmo control?
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I bought a JRiver Id a while back, probably around September. I got it up and running got it hook up to an external Schiit USB DAC and it works on Gizmo, so everything was fine. It's a simple set up, I load the files in the shared drive and everything is played through the USB DAC. I had no issues with it. Other than not booting up without a HDMI cable But I understand I need to download a version 34 Bios. Can get that fixed later on.
1) I decided to try a Wyred4sound USB to Spdif converter because I wanted to use my Metrum Spdif DAC.
https://wyred4sound.com/sites/default/files/%C2%B5LINK%20-%20%C2%B5DAC-HD%20MANUAL%20V1.1_0.pdf
However when I tried this on, I couldn't get it to work. From the manual, it indicates that for Linux, it should require no driver. Fiddling around a bit, I realised I could get it to work if I played 24bit 96kHz Flac but not 16bit 44.1KhZ Wav. Files. I figured maybe it wants doesn't like to do 44.1kHz because if I am not mistaken there is a mention somewhere that JRiver was going to output the highest resolution that the DAC would accept. So in this case it probably was trying to output 24 bit 44.1kHz and the wyred4 sound converter probably called it non-kosher and did not like it. So I upsampled the output to 88.2kHz (set it through "output format") and it played fine... for one song. After that it reverts to
48kHz for (<44.1kHz)
44.1kHz no change.
48kHz no change
88.2kHz ->48kHz
96kHz -> 48kHz
And it would not play the next song. Changing the settings again allows it to play one song but reverts to this again once the song ended.
I gave up on it and decided to write to you on this and hooked my old Schiit DAC. Same thing happened to it. Same behaviour, need to change the output setting and would only play one song.Using "77" on the text menu did not fix the problem.
I have a fairly old build and I would like to upgrade to a newer build but not sure how to do so. I tried '12" on the text menu but nothing seems to happen. I know it is connected to the LAN because I can use Gizmo so it should theoretically be able to connect to the outside world.
Is there a way I can install the latest version in by downloading separately and putting it on a USB drive or something like that?
Thanks.
Oon
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In DSP Studio / Output Settings, you could try resampling everything.
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I tried but no matter what I tried it will go back to the setting I mentioned earlier. It would not stay in the setting I put it in.
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I should also mention that it is using mc18 or something like that. I am hoping that upgrading to mc 20 will fix it..but I don't know how to install it..
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Bob, I've been thinking about this a bit, and while it makes a lot of sense to have the Id do the volume levelling, since you know its compute power, while the origin server is an unknown, it would only make sense if Id was also doing the remaining tasks associated with the DLNA server, such as bitrate and sample rate conversion, perhaps the rest too, unless you could somehow decouple volume levelling from the need to upsample. I realise this is something that may be a bit more complex.
Can you think of any workarounds, in in the meantime? Or is is likely that MC on the server may soon acquire an option to force it to start preparing the next-played file earlier than the 2 seconds before the current track ends?
Gapless is hard to give up, as I'm sure you know.
If the Id needs to convert sample and bitrates it already does (assuming you've set up DSP studio on it to match your hardware capabilities).
Volume leveling is kind of a special case. I think the parameter should be passed in the DIDL.
You can try changing your buffering on the Id: Options->Audio->PreBuffering. Increasing it should make the Id request the next file sooner.
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I bought a JRiver Id a while back, probably around September. I got it up and running got it hook up to an external Schiit USB DAC and it works on Gizmo, so everything was fine. It's a simple set up, I load the files in the shared drive and everything is played through the USB DAC. I had no issues with it. Other than not booting up without a HDMI cable But I understand I need to download a version 34 Bios. Can get that fixed later on.
1) I decided to try a Wyred4sound USB to Spdif converter because I wanted to use my Metrum Spdif DAC.
https://wyred4sound.com/sites/default/files/%C2%B5LINK%20-%20%C2%B5DAC-HD%20MANUAL%20V1.1_0.pdf
However when I tried this on, I couldn't get it to work. From the manual, it indicates that for Linux, it should require no driver. Fiddling around a bit, I realised I could get it to work if I played 24bit 96kHz Flac but not 16bit 44.1KhZ Wav. Files. I figured maybe it wants doesn't like to do 44.1kHz because if I am not mistaken there is a mention somewhere that JRiver was going to output the highest resolution that the DAC would accept. So in this case it probably was trying to output 24 bit 44.1kHz and the wyred4 sound converter probably called it non-kosher and did not like it. So I upsampled the output to 88.2kHz (set it through "output format") and it played fine... for one song. After that it reverts to
48kHz for (<44.1kHz)
44.1kHz no change.
48kHz no change
88.2kHz ->48kHz
96kHz -> 48kHz
And it would not play the next song. Changing the settings again allows it to play one song but reverts to this again once the song ended.
I gave up on it and decided to write to you on this and hooked my old Schiit DAC. Same thing happened to it. Same behaviour, need to change the output setting and would only play one song.Using "77" on the text menu did not fix the problem.
I have a fairly old build and I would like to upgrade to a newer build but not sure how to do so. I tried '12" on the text menu but nothing seems to happen. I know it is connected to the LAN because I can use Gizmo so it should theoretically be able to connect to the outside world.
Is there a way I can install the latest version in by downloading separately and putting it on a USB drive or something like that?
Thanks.
Oon
A few suggestions:
1) On the Id, you should ALWAYS choose a hardware device for your DAC. It should be labeled as front:[dac identifier] in the device list.
2) MC will automatically override the DSP studio settings if it can't play something unless you turn off Options->Audio->Advanced->Auto configure output settings on playback error
3) Menu item 12 can get messed up if you previously interrupted an update. You can get a repair image here: http://files.jriver.com/Id/idrepair.iso (http://files.jriver.com/Id/idrepair.iso)
It's a 1 gig download and will fit on a 1 gig usb stick. Use rufus in windows or the equivalent in linux or mac to write the image to a usb stick. Boot that in Id with F10 to select it as the boot then follow the repair option that reinstalls the firmware.
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I have an ID working happily...accessing library from PC.
Any way to get multiple ID's all playing same thing same time, under Gizmo control?
You can link the zones on the PC that's pushing to the Id however the current DLNA spec isn't meant to synchronize playback and it's not deterministic enough to do so without special synchronization commands.
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If the Id needs to convert sample and bitrates it already does (assuming you've set up DSP studio on it to match your hardware capabilities).
Volume leveling is kind of a special case. I think the parameter should be passed in the DIDL.
You can try changing your buffering on the Id: Options->Audio->PreBuffering. Increasing it should make the Id request the next file sooner.
Bob, I'll be extending the prebuffering option in a couple of hours and I'll report back. Let me just check, please, if this is meant by you in the scenario where Id is only the renderer—my music is on a different MC server (Mac). Also, do I understand correctly that to make this change I would need to temporarily change it into the GUI mode?
You mention setting up its DSP studio options. I have not tried that: the options I set were set on the server in the DLNA server configuration, as per your earlier suggestion when I was asking about Volume Levelling, when you have explained that for it to work I needed to use "specified format" option. I would have no other need for this other than to enable volume levelling. Is there a way to configure this entirely on the Id, rather than on the server, a I have at the moment, perhaps? Many thanks, Bob.
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Bob, I'll be extending the prebuffering option in a couple of hours and I'll report back. Let me just check, please, if this is meant by you in the scenario where Id is only the renderer—my music is on a different MC server (Mac). Also, do I understand correctly that to make this change I would need to temporarily change it into the GUI mode?
You are correct, you need to go into GUI mode to change it.
You mention setting up its DSP studio options. I have not tried that: the options I set were set on the server in the DLNA server configuration, as per your earlier suggestion when I was asking about Volume Leveling, when you have explained that for it to work I needed to use "specified format" option. I would have no other need for this other than to enable volume leveling. Is there a way to configure this entirely on the Id, rather than on the server, a I have at the moment, perhaps? Many thanks, Bob.
What I said was more of a logic experiment.
Since you are using "specified format" you are already changing the file to what the Id can play by default.
If we were to do this by sending the original file and some replay gain instructions, then you might need to configure the DSP studio on the Id depending on the capabilities of your output device.
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You are correct, you need to go into GUI mode to change it.What I said was more of a logic experiment.
Since you are using "specified format" you are already changing the file to what the Id can play by default.
If we were to do this by sending the original file and some replay gain instructions, then you might need to configure the DSP studio on the Id depending on the capabilities of your output device.
Many thanks, Bob, I can happily report that changing the prebuffering option to 10 s, in GUI on Id, has solved the problem, well, almost, because I am back to gapless for most tracks, except when a very complex or long one is about to start. I will extend the prebuffering a bit more, and I think it should fix it completely.
While at it, I noticed that I can turn on Volume Levelling on the Id in its Audio/DSP settings. I've done that, and I have turned it off in DLNA on the server. I'll soon report back if it worked as expected when I have a chance to play a few playlists with varying volume tracks. Incidentally, I can also see there is an option for Adaptive Volume (Peak Level Normalise) and I wondered if it could work, considering that Id does not see the entire playlist, only the current and the set-next tracks at a time, or am I missing something?
Many thanks for letting me know about the prebuffering option on the Id.
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Ah, it seems that Volume Levelling turned on the Id in its Audio/DSP options does not seem to work, even though the files have the tags in them, calculated and inserted by MC on the server. Is this supposed to work, or do I need to wait for another version? Bear in mind, Id is only a renderer, files are coming from the server.
Many thanks, Bob.
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A few suggestions:
1) On the Id, you should ALWAYS choose a hardware device for your DAC. It should be labeled as front:[dac identifier] in the device list.
2) MC will automatically override the DSP studio settings if it can't play something unless you turn off Options->Audio->Advanced->Auto configure output settings on playback error
3) Menu item 12 can get messed up if you previously interrupted an update. You can get a repair image here: http://files.jriver.com/Id/idrepair.iso (http://files.jriver.com/Id/idrepair.iso)
It's a 1 gig download and will fit on a 1 gig usb stick. Use rufus in windows or the equivalent in linux or mac to write the image to a usb stick. Boot that in Id with F10 to select it as the boot then follow the repair option the reinstalls the firmware.
Hi Bob,
Looks like it worked. I think item 2) was probably the critical one. It probably tried to play the first time and when it didn't, it just changed the output settings. And it goes downhill after that. Everything is working now (Had to reboot first though). I am using a 24 bit 192kHz USB to spdif converter. So I take it the output will probably be 24bit 44.1kHz ? Which would be good since I am using the internal volume control.
Oon
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Hi Bob,
Looks like it worked. I think item 2) was probably the critical one. It probably tried to play the first time and when it didn't, it just changed the output settings. And it goes downhill after that. Everything is working now (Had to reboot first though). I am using a 24 bit 192kHz USB to spdif converter. So I take it the output will probably be 24bit 44.1kHz ? Which would be good since I am using the internal volume control.
Oon
The output will be whatever the source is unless you modify the DSP studio settings. You can see what it is by hovering over the dsp studio icon while in GUI mode.
The reason you might want to tweak those dsp studio settings is to handle the particular characteristics of your DAC. For example if it can't play under 44.1k you might change that setting to make it upsample lower bitrate material. Same thing on the upper end if you have material over 192k.
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The output will be whatever the source is unless you modify the DSP studio settings. You can see what it is by hovering over the dsp studio icon while in GUI mode.
The reason you might want to tweak those dsp studio settings is to handle the particular characteristics of your DAC. For example if it can't play under 44.1k you might change that setting to make it upsample lower bitrate material. Same thing on the upper end if you have material over 192k.
Hi Bob, If the file being played is a 16 bit 44.1KHz, it should output as a 24 bit 44.1KHz (if the DAC is capable to 24 Bit), based on some write up that I have come across in your website.
Anyway I also have emotiva dac that shows the sample rate and bits, I will check it out later..
Oon
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Hi Bob, If the file being played is a 16 bit 44.1KHz, it should output as a 24 bit 44.1KHz (if the DAC is capable to 24 Bit), based on some write up that I have come across in your website.
Anyway I also have emotiva dac that shows the sample rate and bits, I will check it out later..
Oon
I use a 24/192 DAC. Id GUI shows 24 bits Output when playing 16/44.1 (Input)
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The output format in bits will be whatever the highest rate is your device supports. This is the "Auto" setting in the Options->Audio->Audio Device->Device Settings.
You can set it to a specific format but playback will fail if your device doesn't support that format.
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Bob, sorry to pester you about this, but could you confirm if enabling Volume Levelling in DSP on Id, while it acts as a renderer only, is supposed to work? (It does not)
Also, I wonder if you are interested in a couple of error messages I am encountering. From time to time, when I boot, the BIOS boot process waits until someone attaches a keyboard and presses enter with the text: "The following are warnings that were generated during this boot. These can be viewed in setup on the Event Log Page. WARNING : Processor Thermal Trip Press the Enter key to continue." Needless to say, for a device that is not supposed to have a keyboard attached, it would be good to auto-dismiss or disable those if possible. To the best of my knowledge, this happens relatively often but there are no signs of anything overheating, fans etc.
Finally, each time I reboot from GUI mode (for example using update option or when switching back to the text mode) once the text-based display takes over the screen it displays some 30 similar errors in quick succession (Setting default value: Failed to read: session.screen0.xxxx, then an rpcbind error), then it goes blank, fan spins at normal speed. At that point half of the time it will lock up, leaving only the option of force power-down, to bring life back to it.
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Bob, sorry to pester you about this, but could you confirm if enabling Volume Levelling in DSP on Id, while it acts as a renderer only, is supposed to work? (It does not)
The latest change to MC enabled the passing of volume leveling parameters from MC as a server to MC as a renderer. These are JRiver specific extensions, there are no such parameters in the UPnP or DLNA specs. For this to work, you need 2 things:
1) The next build of MC on the Id which I have NOT uploaded yet.
2) A new enough build on the server PC to provide the parameters. This would be >= 20.0.49. There is a Windows build available for that but not a Mac one yet.
Also, I wonder if you are interested in a couple of error messages I am encountering. From time to time, when I boot, the BIOS boot process waits until someone attaches a keyboard and presses enter with the text: "The following are warnings that were generated during this boot. These can be viewed in setup on the Event Log Page. WARNING : Processor Thermal Trip Press the Enter key to continue." Needless to say, for a device that is not supposed to have a keyboard attached, it would be good to auto-dismiss or disable those if possible. To the best of my knowledge, this happens relatively often but there are no signs of anything overheating, fans etc.
Check the bios to make sure the settings under Cooling are correct. For both memory and mainboard they should be
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68
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in that order.
Finally, each time I reboot from GUI mode (for example using update option or when switching back to the text mode) once the text-based display takes over the screen it displays some 30 similar errors in quick succession (Setting default value: Failed to read: session.screen0.xxxx, then an rpcbind error), then it goes blank, fan spins at normal speed. At that point half of the time it will lock up, leaving only the option of force power-down, to bring life back to it.
I assume you are on the right bios firmware (0034) version?
It is normal to get some errors on boot, for one thing it's trying to turn on the output volume of up to 6 DACs whether or not they are connected. The rpcbind error can be ignored.
The lockup is not normal. It might have something to do with the HDMI on your particular monitor.
You might want to try to power off the Id when it gets to the bios stage of the reboot.
Remove power from it and wait 30 seconds before plugging it back in and restarting. This seems to help with weird HDMI situations.
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The latest change to MC enabled the passing of volume leveling parameters from MC as a server to MC as a renderer. These are JRiver specific extensions, there are no such parameters in the UPnP or DLNA specs. For this to work, you need 2 things:
1) The next build of MC on the Id which I have NOT uploaded yet.
2) A new enough build on the server PC to provide the parameters. This would be >= 20.0.49. There is a Windows build available for that but not a Mac one yet.
Bob, this is fabulous development, many thanks for doing it so quickly. Needless to say, I will be beta-testing it for you the moment it is available on the Mac and Id. Could you, please, explain if this needs to be enabled as VL in DSP on Id, or like it was done before, as a DSP property of the DLNA server on the MC on the (Mac) server?
Check the bios to make sure the settings under Cooling are correct. For both memory and mainboard they should be
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68
78
in that order.I assume you are on the right bios firmware (0034) version?
I checked the BIOS (nice, visual!) and those temperatures are exactly as per your spec above. I can also see the over-temp log entry made 6 times. And yes, I am on the 0034 bios version.
The lockup is not normal. It might have something to do with the HDMI on your particular monitor.
You might want to try to power off the Id when it gets to the bios stage of the reboot.
Remove power from it and wait 30 seconds before plugging it back in and restarting. This seems to help with weird HDMI situations.
Hmm... It happens with two different screens, one is a Dell desktop screen which I use when updating or checking things, the other is my PJ via AVR. Power force down, and boot without HDMI attached works.
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Bob, this is fabulous development, many thanks for doing it so quickly. Needless to say, I will be beta-testing it for you the moment it is available on the Mac and Id. Could you, please, explain if this needs to be enabled as VL in DSP on Id, or like it was done before, as a DSP property of the DLNA server on the MC on the (Mac) server?
You'll return to "Original Format" on the DLNA server and enable VL on the Id.
I checked the BIOS (nice, visual!) and those temperatures are exactly as per your spec above. I can also see the over-temp log entry made 6 times. And yes, I am on the 0034 bios version.
Sounds like it's really overheating then. Are the cooling intake and exhaust clear?
Perhaps it's getting into a spin lock on shutdown, can't see why though...
Hmm... It happens with two different screens, one is a Dell desktop screen which I use when updating or checking things, the other is my PJ via AVR. Power force down, and boot without HDMI attached works.
That may be connected to the heat issue.
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Sounds like it's really overheating then. Are the cooling intake and exhaust clear?
Perhaps it's getting into a spin lock on shutdown, can't see why though...That may be connected to the heat issue.
It is unobstructed and has good airflow around. I've never heard its fans spin up too much except once at boot time. This issue happens after I start it up following having to force the power-down. Unless the message relates to an occurrence that took place way earlier, while I was not around. In any case, the device has never been anything but barely warm, running much cooler than a Sonos Connect.
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Finally, each time I reboot from GUI mode (for example using update option or when switching back to the text mode) once the text-based display takes over the screen it displays some 30 similar errors in quick succession (Setting default value: Failed to read: session.screen0.xxxx, then an rpcbind error), then it goes blank, fan spins at normal speed. At that point half of the time it will lock up, leaving only the option of force power-down, to bring life back to it.
My Id also locks up each time I reboot--the litany of errors you described are also displayed.
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Could the people having this issue check to see if their fan is running?
It's pretty hard to hear unless you put your ear right up to the cooling holes on the side.
If it is, perhaps one of you could reset their bios settings then reenter the fan settings I talked about earlier under the cooling tab
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for both motherboard and memory.
Then under the power tab
turn off WOL,
on power loss = off
PCIE ASPM off
and see if that makes any difference.
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Could the people having this issue check to see if their fan is running?
It's pretty hard to hear unless you put your ear right up to the cooling holes on the side.
If it is, perhaps one of you could reset their bios settings then reenter the fan settings I talked about earlier under the cooling tab
88
68
78
for both motherboard and memory.
Then under the power tab
turn off WOL,
on power loss = off
PCIE ASPM off
and see if that makes any difference.
Id no longer locks up. PCIE ASPM off was the only setting in BIOS I changed. The other 2 settings under the power tab were already off. Fan is running as always. Temp settings were as specified.
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Id no longer locks up. PCIE ASPM off was the only setting in BIOS I changed. The other 2 settings under the power tab were already off. Fan is running as always. Temp settings were as specified.
Thanks for the report!
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A new build of MC is out with the changes for volume leveling on the Id when passing original format files from a MC server.
You just need to turn on Volume Leveling in the Id's DSP studio. Requires at least build 20.0.49 on the MC server machine as well.
Also, the MC GUI has been improved.
Use your update function to get it.
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Many thanks, Bob, I'll update tomorrow and report back as soon as MC on the Mac gets updated. May I ask if the "on power loss" bios setting would enable the device to auto start after power loss? If so, do you have a reason for not wanting it on?
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I use JRiver Mac on my desktop. My system is located in another room, and I’m networked to a Sonore Orbiter via DLNA. I’m having a hard time understanding what an JRiver ID can do for me. So here are my questions:
With an Id networked and connected to my DAC via USB, will I have access to TiDAL, Spotify from the ID
I have playlist containing radio stations on JRiver IMAC. Will I access these through the ID to play on my system?
With the Id connected, will I have DSP, room correction, volume leveling capability for my music on a external hard drive connected to the IMAC?
A GUI is mentioned with the Id. Can I access the GUI from the IMAC or only by using a screen and keyboard connected to the Id.
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The Id is another computer, running Media Center, so most things that could be done on another computer can be done there.
But its primary use is as a DLNA Renderer. This is a device you play to. It plays to any connected DAC.
Services like Tidal probably won't work.
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How to set ID reads nas music files?
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i am in china,what setting chinese show?I set to Simplified Chinese in the ID‘s jriver, the display is garbled
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i am in china,what setting chinese show?I set to Simplified Chinese in the ID‘s jriver, the display is garbled
You need to choose the Font under
Options->Tree and Views->Select Font ...
Choose unifont.
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Hi,
I picked up a JRiver Id a few months ago, and I'm in the processing of digitizing my audio and video content to play through MC - I'm going to start tackling video over the holidays.
Quick question: with video support and MC 20, what's the best way to play ripped BD content if I'm doing bitstream to a pre/pro with DSU (Dolby Surround Upmixing) and Dolby Atmos support?
Am I better off using a PC-based version of this, and something like AnyDVD HD and Virtual Clone Drive to mount ISO files, or can I do .MKV format with the Id and bitstream after ripping with AnyDVD and maybe a product like CloneDVD? Ideally I would want to pick the main title, an HD audio track and whatever commentary/deleted scenes I'd like. For DVDs I'd do the same, except that for my foreign film collection (maybe a quarter of my DVDs are Region 2 stuff that I've played for years on my Oppos), I'd pick subtitles in English.
I'm assuming that the current version of MC 20 on the Id won't work with ISO files since there's no plug-in you can use to do virtual mounting, but if I'm wrong I'd be happy :).
Sorry for the newbie question, but can someone give me some advice before I get too far into this?
Thanks!
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ISOs or even DVD/Blu-ray folder structures (BDMV or VIDEO_TS) are not support for video playback on our Linux version yet (and such not on the Id). For best results with this use-case, I would recommend ripping to MKV personally.
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sdrucker,
Welcome to the forum. I'm going to split this to a new thread later today since it is likely to be mainly non-Id discussion.
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You need to choose the Font under
Options->Tree and Views->Select Font ...
Choose unifont.
Or not, or garbled
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what be External USB drives automount / unmount？
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what be External USB drives automount / unmount？
No function for that now. Coming in the next update.
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No function for that now. Coming in the next update.
How to set Id import music files of my nas?
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I use hmdi connection between nad m51 and Id, but my Id is not recognized immediately by the nad m51, need to start playing 4-5 seconds after playing.
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How to set Id import music files of my nas?
If your NAS runs a DLNA Server, you don't need to import. You could play to the Id by using a DLNA Controller.
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Background:
I currently have three(3) physical servers running MC20. The library is located on a NAS device. My library exceeds 300K Audio, 10K Video, and 600K Photos. Roughly 16TB dedicated to the NAS device.
Q. How can I benefit from using the id in my situation? Although I do use DLNA from time to time and occasionally use my library across the Internet.
I spend most of my time adding to my library and managing my library. Maybe 10% actually listening or watching.
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Have just been playing with my new ID and cannot seem to get it to boot from the text or GUI menu. The only way I can get it to boot is to long press the power button to turn it off and then turn it back on. It will then boot to the menu option I selected. It seems to stop at different places during boot. Sometimes on the Intel NUC screen, sometimes it gets to the scrolling text screen and then stops (at different places.) It has also stopped at the big JRiver logo (only once). I have checked my bios version (34) and have checked the power menu in the bios and turned PCIE ASPM off as indicated earlier in this thread but to no avail. Fan is running and there are no temperature issues according to the bios. I can get it to play via USB to my DAC but had no luck getting multi-channel to play via hdmi (and hdmi would cut off the start of my music when playing in stereo. I set the "play silence" parameter up to 6 seconds but it would only wait 6 seconds before cutting off the start of my track.) I just wanted to check to see if I am doing anything wrong before I send the unit back.
Thanks,
John
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Have just been playing with my new ID and cannot seem to get it to boot from the text or GUI menu. The only way I can get it to boot is to long press the power button to turn it off and then turn it back on. It will then boot to the menu option I selected.
Thanks,
John
My Id has returned to behaving like this. It's an idiosyncrasy I can live with.
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ISOs or even DVD/Blu-ray folder structures (BDMV or VIDEO_TS) are not support for video playback on our Linux version yet (and such not on the Id). For best results with this use-case, I would recommend ripping to MKV personally.
Thanks, Hendrik! After some research, I'm going to go the .mkv route to do ID playback for titles where I only want the movie and a single audio track, and keep my Windows 7 laptop in the mix and possibly do .ISO for content from it, where I want a full set of extras without too much fuss. At least until I feel my way on video...
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A new build of MC is out with the changes for volume leveling on the Id when passing original format files from a MC server.
You just need to turn on Volume Leveling in the Id's DSP studio. Requires at least build 20.0.49 on the MC server machine as well.
Also, the MC GUI has been improved.
Use your update function to get it.
Bob, I have been using the most recent build of Id and .52 on the Mac with VL turned on on the Id, and turned off on the Mac server, as per your suggestions. Together with setting prebuffering (on Id in GUI mode) to 20 s, I am now back in gapless-volume-levelled nirvana. 10 s prebuffering wasn't enough, complex multi-channel tracks would occasionally stutter, while 20 works. I am mentioning this, as 20 s is the max value allowed, and I wonder if, perhaps, someone else might need a longer prebuffer. Interestingly, it does not take 20 s to start playing the first track, that one is usually very fast since I got VL to be done on the Id, perhaps taking 2-3 s to start.
Overall, I am very impressed by, and grateful, to you and your colleagues for turning out this feature so quickly. It has greatly enhanced this holiday season for me. :) I suppose I wonder if it would be easy to discover by others, but I'm happy.
Now it feels like I've ironed out all the major issues I had with Id, bar the problem of it locking up on boot with HDMI plugged in, but I can live with it for now. Maybe it goes away in the future.
What is the best way to report issues with JRemote, Bob? I posted a thread on that forum but I had no reply or even an acknowledgement of any kind, which somewhat demotivates one from reporting further issues, and I've found a couple of them already. The ones that got fixed in the past were the ones I reported on this thread, but the new ones are probably JRemote-specific, even though I only use it with Id. Thanks.
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Hi Jim et al,
Hope you all had/are having a wonderous festive break.
I just wanted post my most recent position regarding the ID which I have basically functioning with JRemote on ipad/iphone. It runs as a DLNA Renderer for a Synology DS411 DSM5.1 DLNA server. The ID plays to a Benchmark USB DAC in 2ch Stereo. I had some issues initialy but seam to be able to play good quality FLAC files now. I have some general questions and some specific ones:
1. When will the GUI be stable?? I can't use GUI mode sensibly as I never know when it is going to freeze. Additionally I can't see the edge of the screen, so the menu bar and anything along the bottom of the screen or sides just doesn't display. I wouldn't need GUI really but I need to have hands on the renderer for diagnostic purposes. The monitor is an Samsung LE32R74BD TV running with HDMI (of course)
2. I have about 6700 FLAC tracks stored in Artist/Album/Track format. I used dbPoweramp with scripts for ripping and use MP3Tag with some further scripts to standardise my Tags. When dbpoweramp has not embedded a cd front cover I use Album Art Downloader to get an image. This Cover image is always stored at the same level as the Tracks and is called folder.jpg it is always embeded in the FLAC. The problem I'm having is getting these images to appear reliably in the jremote view of the library. Browsing the Synology NAS as a share I can see the folder.jpg file and also view the embedded image using file properties. I have finished a very big clean up exercise and now know that all FLACS are populated correctly. So why do I have some albums (about 5%) not seeing an album icon (I just get a single crochet note instead)Also on many (not all) of the crocheted Albums the first track has no icon (double crochet instead) The issue doesn't appear to be resolution as I have some very large and small images displaying OK.
3. When making changes to resolve issues such as in 2 above why is it necessary to reboot the ID before any changes occur. I reindex the Synology NAS each time and also ask JRemote to conduct a background import but only a reboot seams to force changes through - it just seams as though there are some very basic things that still need to be addressed.
4. POSITIVE note !!! I'm very please with the sound quality and even considering doing some speaker and amp evaluations (currently have a couple of Bowers and Wilkins CS1's and a REL bass system with ROTEL 1055 integrated amplifier (I also have 5.1 for DVD and Blue ray) The ID is going to be great but a push on stability is really my request here - after an answer to Q2 above please.
Keep up the good work please, thanks.
Regards
Trevor McCarthy-White
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A few questions/problems:
1 - Having difficulty accessing music files on WD My Cloud NAS. ID sees the NAS as a library. I can't access it from the file menu. Is there a reason why I can't find it in the file list? At the same time, I originally loaded music from a USB attached drive and that drive continues to show in "ournas" even though I've long since disconnected it.
2 - the files imported with the NAS as a library were imported without ratings and some of the tag data is wrong. For instance, artist sometimes appears as album or song name appears as album. Most are correct however. I use this same source on pc based MC20 and all tag info is correct. Most troubling is ratings loss as many of my playlists trigger on it.
3 - Also can't get it to upgrade to MC20 using main menu item 12.
All and any help appreciated.
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Additional info to my last...after bringing the ID back to original state #77 refresh I tried again to upgrade with #12. The ID is now running over 24 hours and does no respond to keyboard, mouse or a touch to the on/off button.
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Additional info to my last...after bringing the ID back to original state #77 refresh I tried again to upgrade with #12. The ID is now running over 24 hours and does no respond to keyboard, mouse or a touch to the on/off button.
This has similarly happened to me and others before although I didn't wait an hour before restarting the Id. Try this: remove power plug from Id then wait 30 seconds before plugging it back in and restarting. This always brings the Id back to life for me.
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Yes thanks that works and its now upgraded to 20.0.50. I still have the problem of the library missing ratings field and some fields appearing in the wrong. I've replicated this on a PC running MC20 as well. It seems to happen when this library is loaded directly from the NAS. The NAS library is listed under "Playing from" as "MyCloud" since its a DNLA capable device. On the PC I can use the "Main Library" and load it via auto-import (tools-options-library&folders-configure auto import) from the NAS files directly. As the Main library on the PC, all meta information is correct and included. Unfortunately, auto-import on the ID does not recognize or "see" the NAS so I can't load the Main library the same way.
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After weeks of normal operation, today I did a update, worked once after , and after a restart now it is not working at all. All I get is on boot main menu window is Directory not found, I tried restarting with default settings too, and file not found in the directory. so the OS is booted but lost the directory to boot the application, I did nothing but power off and back on even booting in text mode, all I get is "no such file or directory settings" . Any help as now I have no play at all.
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Jim, this only changes the name shown in MC, but it does not change the name showing in Mac's Finder, Windows File Explorer etc—that name is still the old hostname containing the MAC address. I would like to change that name, because that is what shows on all of my network devices. Thanks!
I would like to second the request to be able to change the name of the ID itself....as opposed to changing it just in MC....for Rafal's reasons above ...
.......and also, using Gizmo, the name name assigned by MC will show up under "Choose Where to Play".
But the old Id-CO3xxxxxxxx still shows under "Choose A Server to Play From".
I have one ID installed with another two on the way....it's gonna get messy without renaming.
Another thing that would help with multiple ID's is with Gizmo, when it displays under Playing Now 'Playing to XXXX' tap to change',
it would be very helpful to also display which Server it is playing from.
Many thx for any attention. Mark
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I would like to second the request to be able to change the name of the ID itself....as opposed to changing it just in MC....for Rafal's reasons above ...
.......and also, using Gizmo, the name name assigned by MC will show up under "Choose Where to Play".
But the old Id-CO3xxxxxxxx still shows under "Choose A Server to Play From".
I have one ID installed with another two on the way....it's gonna get messy without renaming.
Another thing that would help with multiple ID's is with Gizmo, when it displays under Playing Now 'Playing to XXXX' tap to change',
it would be very helpful to also display which Server it is playing from.
Many thx for any attention. Mark
A way to change the Id name will be in the next system update.
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After weeks of normal operation, today I did a update, worked once after , and after a restart now it is not working at all. All I get is on boot main menu window is Directory not found, I tried restarting with default settings too, and file not found in the directory. so the OS is booted but lost the directory to boot the application, I did nothing but power off and back on even booting in text mode, all I get is "no such file or directory settings" . Any help as now I have no play at all.
See this message for instructions on reloading the Id firmware.
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=94636.0 (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=94636.0)
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Yes thanks that works and its now upgraded to 20.0.50. I still have the problem of the library missing ratings field and some fields appearing in the wrong. I've replicated this on a PC running MC20 as well. It seems to happen when this library is loaded directly from the NAS. The NAS library is listed under "Playing from" as "MyCloud" since its a DNLA capable device. On the PC I can use the "Main Library" and load it via auto-import (tools-options-library&folders-configure auto import) from the NAS files directly. As the Main library on the PC, all meta information is correct and included. Unfortunately, auto-import on the ID does not recognize or "see" the NAS so I can't load the Main library the same way.
When the NAS is loaded as a DLNA server we can only use the information the server provided.
When you use the NAS as a file server MC can parse the files for all of the information they contain.
We are planning on adding a function on the Id to allow the mounting of a NAS file server. There are some potential pitfalls with this so it may or may not make the next firmware update.
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This has similarly happened to me and others before although I didn't wait an hour before restarting the Id. Try this: remove power plug from Id then wait 30 seconds before plugging it back in and restarting. This always brings the Id back to life for me.
This sounds like the hardware is getting locked up for some reason or another.
Is this with an external DAC?
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Thank you Bob and I appreciate all the work that's gone into making the Id. I'm surprised the rating info doesn't get passed along as part of the meta data although I've experienced same with iTunes. I assume there's nothing that can be done about this...something in the way the files are saved? In any case, I hope it can come in a release soon.
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This sounds like the hardware is getting locked up for some reason or another.
Is this with an external DAC?
Yes--Resonessence Concero and PS Audio PWD DACs
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Thank you Bob and I appreciate all the work that's gone into making the Id. I'm surprised the rating info doesn't get passed along as part of the meta data although I've experienced same with iTunes. I assume there's nothing that can be done about this...something in the way the files are saved? In any case, I hope it can come in a release soon.
The NAS can only provide metadata defined by the spec when used as a DLNA server. There is not a rating item for audio in the ContentDirectory spec. There IS a rating extension defined by twonky and we support that. It's likely your NAS isn't providing it however.
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Thanks. The WD does Twonky which I tried but did it get ratings. Did I miss a setting maybe? Can look again later today.
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2 - the files imported with the NAS as a library were imported without ratings and some of the tag data is wrong. For instance, artist sometimes appears as album or song name appears as album. Most are correct however. I use this same source on pc based MC20 and all tag info is correct. Most troubling is ratings loss as many of my playlists trigger on it.
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Are you saying the PC based MC20 gets all of the fields right AND the ratings but the Id version of MC does not?
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Not exactly. If I load the main library by referencing the music file directory on the NAS, all information including ratings is correct. I've been doing this for years with MC, moving to my music files to different locations and file sources whether on the PC, a network drive or attaching a usb drive (all for personal use btw). I've only just realized that the ratings are lost if I load a library from the WD NAS which shows up as an alternative library ..never needed to use that method before since every instance of MC I've used in the past could recognize the network file server. The only reference I have to this problem is loading a music directory used by MC into iTunes where the ratings are similarly lost. That problem is solved by using MCiTunes as discussed elsewhere in this forum. Hope this is clear.
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Not exactly. If I load the main library by referencing the music file directory on the NAS, all information including ratings is correct. I've been doing this for years with MC, moving to my music files to different locations and file sources whether on the PC, a network drive or attaching a usb drive (all for personal use btw). I've only just realized that the ratings are lost if I load a library from the WD NAS which shows up as an alternative library ..never needed to use that method before since every instance of MC I've used in the past could recognize the network file server. The only reference I have to this problem is loading a music directory used by MC into iTunes where the ratings are similarly lost. That problem is solved by using MCiTunes as discussed elsewhere in this forum. Hope this is clear.
Ok, then it is as I thought. The PC is parsing the files directly.
If you think the NAS is providing the twonky style ratings you could do a wireshark trace and limit it to the Id and the NAS, load the library and capture a few seconds of that. If we could see what it's actually presenting that would answer the question definitively.
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I'll look at the documentation and see if I can do the capture....looks like its not just download and run!
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I'll look at the documentation and see if I can do the capture....looks like its not just download and run!
There's a little advice on the topic in the wiki.
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Sharing_Plug-in_Debugging_Hints
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Yes--Resonessence Concero and PS Audio PWD DACs
I wonder if the DAC's aren't getting closed on shutdown and that makes them hang the system.
It might be lead us in a direction if you
hit stop in MC
unplugged the DAC from the Id USB port
then tried the reboot.
and see if the result is different.
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A way to change the Id name will be in the next system update.
Excellent! Thanks, Mark
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How can I send you file? 180 mb. can share Dropbox location
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Interesting finding you all probably know already but was a discovery for me. I had intended to plug the Id into the audio input of my Sonos system and play my MC library via the line in selection in the Sonos app. A hardwire approach. I discovered that I could do this wirelessly by selecting the head unit of the Sonos system under Playing Now in MC. That is, the unit all other units are linked to and thereby synched to. I found this also works on a Logitech system with multiple LMS renderers (Touch, Duo, etc - I have one in each of three rooms in another home). Whats interesting is that synching is controlled by either Sonos or LMS. There's a comment elsewhere in this forum suggesting that the current DLNA standard doesn't yet deal with synching but this solves the problem.
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A way to change the Id name will be in the next system update.
Thanks, Bob, much appreciated by someone who likes all their networked devices to look elegant in lists, menus, file browsers etc. :)
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How can I send you file? 180 mb. can share Dropbox location
Sure, send me a PM with the location.
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Have just been playing with my new ID and cannot seem to get it to boot from the text or GUI menu. The only way I can get it to boot is to long press the power button to turn it off and then turn it back on. It will then boot to the menu option I selected. It seems to stop at different places during boot. Sometimes on the Intel NUC screen, sometimes it gets to the scrolling text screen and then stops (at different places.) It has also stopped at the big JRiver logo (only once). I have checked my bios version (34) and have checked the power menu in the bios and turned PCIE ASPM off as indicated earlier in this thread but to no avail. Fan is running and there are no temperature issues according to the bios. I can get it to play via USB to my DAC but had no luck getting multi-channel to play via hdmi (and hdmi would cut off the start of my music when playing in stereo. I set the "play silence" parameter up to 6 seconds but it would only wait 6 seconds before cutting off the start of my track.) I just wanted to check to see if I am doing anything wrong before I send the unit back.
Thanks,
John
This sounds like a hardware issue, you should send it back.
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Two Id's with same access key?
Hi, recently purchased two Id's to go with one already in service.
These two have the same access key.
What do I do? Thx, mark
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You could use the GUI to get a new Access Key. Tools > Options > Media Network. Turn Media Network off and back on. It will generate a key.
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You could use the GUI to get a new Access Key. Tools > Options > Media Network. Turn Media Network off and back on. It will generate a key.
OK thx. Tried that twice, second time with reboot in between turning Media Network off and back on.
Generated the same key
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I was wrong. Click on the key itself (in options) and select "reset".
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I was wrong. Click on the key itself (in options) and select "reset".
Got it. Worked fine. I was going to just try that right off but thought i would ask first.....
Thanks for quick replies !
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Two Id's with same access key?
Hi, recently purchased two Id's to go with one already in service.
These two have the same access key.
What do I do? Thx, mark
That's weird. The access key is supposed to be unique. We'll need to check into that...
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See Tools>Options>Audio>Audio Device>Device Settings
What is Period Time..what does it do? What are the units?
Thanx
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See Tools>Options>Audio>Audio Device>Device Settings
What is Period Time..what does it do? What are the units?
Thanx
That and buffer time control latency. They are in milliseconds.
The lower period time is the more cpu will be required by playback and the smaller the latency.
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That and buffer time control latency. They are in milliseconds.
The lower period time is the more cpu will be required by playback and the smaller the latency.
Why is the default buffer size for MC Id (500,000 ms) orders of magnitude greater than for, say, MC Windows WASAPI mode (100 ms)?
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Actually, the unit of the period and buffer time configured for ALSA is microseconds (µs), so its just 500ms and not 500,000
Not sure why we decided to allow full precision for configuration, configuring this in milliseconds would've been fine too.
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Actually, the unit of the period and buffer time configured for ALSA is microseconds (µs), so its just 500ms and not 500,000
Not sure why we decided to allow full precision for configuration, configuring this in milliseconds would've been fine too.
Thanks
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Why is the default buffer size for MC Id (500,000 ms) orders of magnitude greater than for, say, MC Windows WASAPI mode (100 ms)?
It probably shouldn't be.
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Actually, the unit of the period and buffer time configured for ALSA is microseconds (µs), so its just 500ms and not 500,000
Not sure why we decided to allow full precision for configuration, configuring this in milliseconds would've been fine too.
Sorry, my hasty typing mistake.
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The JRiver Id seems like a product I'd find useful. I am currently running MC 20 on a MacBook Pro connected to the QNAP HT-210 (NAS), but I'm tired of having to hook up to USB and ethernet (I have found wifi to be unreliable with DSD and >96/24 FLAC) cables and take the MacBook out of commission when listening to music. I have used JRemote from an iPhone but am not pleased with the lack of multi-tiered browsing (like composer > genre > year - album) that I find very useful for my classical library.
Can I control the Id from my MacBook Pro and use the JRiver interface with the various custom views I have set up for browsing my classical music library?
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You can play to the Id from your Mac, using the interface on your Mac.
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You can play to the Id from your Mac, using the interface on your Mac.
Do you mean that my MacBook will push audio data to the JRiver Id via DLNA (or similar method) or that the MacBook will control the Id as a sort of remote as the Id plays files from the NAS? For me gapless playback for everything up through multichannel DSD is non-negotiable, and I also would like to avoid any situation where audio is being streamed/pushed over wifi.
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I received my JRIver ID a few weeks ago. I got it working with my Synology diskstation running DLNA. Problem is the playback keeps stopping by itself after some time. I am using gizmo to control the JRiver ID
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I received my JRIver ID a few weeks ago. I got it working with my Synology diskstation running DLNA. Problem is the playback keeps stopping by itself after some time. I am using gizmo to control the JRiver ID
I see something like that when my TV screen save comes on. Turning the TV off fixes the sound problem. Or hitting the space bar on the keyboard. It's an HDMI problem.
If you use Gizmo or JRemote to control MC, you can leave the display off.
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JRiver ID is currently running on Headless Text mode. There's no GUI running and monitor is not connected. There is also no keyboard or mouse connected.
I see something like that when my TV screen save comes on. Turning the TV off fixes the sound problem. Or hitting the space bar on the keyboard. It's an HDMI problem.
If you use Gizmo or JRemote to control MC, you can leave the display off.
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What is the output? Is it using HDMI?
Try connecting a keyboard and hitting the space bar when it happens. Just to test.
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Output is USB. A DAC is connect through the USB. I will try connecting a keyboard tonight.
I noticed that the playback is sort of stuck. When I look at the Gizmo screen, the track progress bar keeps going back and forth.
What is the output? Is it using HDMI?
Try connecting a keyboard and hitting the space bar when it happens. Just to test.
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Output is USB. A DAC is connect through the USB. I will try connecting a keyboard tonight.
I noticed that the playback is sort of stuck. When I look at the Gizmo screen, the track progress bar keeps going back and forth.
What's the format of the audio tracks you are playing?
It's not possible that the Synology is sleeping is it?
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That's weird. The access key is supposed to be unique. We'll need to check into that...
It was an issue with the Id generation process.
If you got an Id in the last month or so you should probably reset that key.
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All tracks are FLAC. Synology doesn't have sleep enabled.
What's the format of the audio tracks you are playing?
It's not possible that the Synology is sleeping is it?
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Hi. I got the ID for Christmas and set it up (MC 20). Working great. Today it says my trial period expired. It wouldn't go any farther after rebooting, keeps telling me the trial period expired.
I read some of the other posts and tried reverting to the original settings via option 77 on the mainmenu after first backing up my library. It appears reverting also removed the library backup, since it seems to be gone now. So I am starting over.
I would have thought the license was included with the ID, but anyway, I bought a master license and filled in the registration number - it took it, but when I look at Help -> Registration Information, it says UNREGISTERED - 30 days left in the trial period. So it appears it still is not recognizing my registration.
What am I doing wrong?
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Hi. I got the ID for Christmas and set it up (MC 20). Working great. Today it says my trial period expired. It wouldn't go any farther after rebooting, keeps telling me the trial period expired.
I read some of the other posts and tried reverting to the original settings via option 77 on the mainmenu after first backing up my library. It appears reverting also removed the library backup, since it seems to be gone now. So I am starting over.
I would have thought the license was included with the ID, but anyway, I bought a master license and filled in the registration number - it took it, but when I look at Help -> Registration Information, it says UNREGISTERED - 30 days left in the trial period. So it appears it still is not recognizing my registration.
What am I doing wrong?
Hi Dan,
Did you get a license number in the box with it?
If not, PM me with the serial number off of the bottom of the Id and I'll email it to you.
Thanks,
Bob
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I chose "12" to upgrade the system and found jriver version is 20.0.50, can I upgrade really successful?
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I chose "12" to upgrade the system and found jriver version is 20.0.50, can I upgrade really successful?
That is the current version for the Id.
There will likely be a newer version uploaded today or Thursday.
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Any chance the next update will allow mounting the NAS as a file server?
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Any chance the next update will allow mounting the NAS as a file server?
There will be a MC update first and the next full update is planned to allow NAS mounting. That's actually the sticking point of the Id update being released.
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Thanks Bob. Makes it work for me.
Jim
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(1) Which NUC model / processor / memory config are you currently using?
(2) Any plans for a turnkey NUC-based Windows 7 or 8 system, particularly for those of us with USB DACs that don't have Linux drivers (e.g., Chord QuteHD)?
(3) Have you looked at the fit-pc.com website -- the new fitlet and the Intense PC / Intense PC2 models are silent and might be good Intel NUC alternatives
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You can see more details on the NUC here:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id
It's the 2820FYKH.
At this point, we don't have plans for a Windows version.
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Just posted an update to MediaCenter for the Id. Use the Id's update function to get it. You can check the Linux update thread to see what the changes are.
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=95205.0 (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=95205.0)
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Not really a question, but a comment.
I am not the most technical audio dude. Love my music and listening to it. No fancy setup with dac and so on. Use both PC and NAS (and hate plex and other options for NAS), try Sonos (had a great discount :D easy to setup but not really the greatest sound), and have airport express'es installed for my "real" stereos.
All is wifi, no cables.
From all my options, my preferred option is playing via JRiver / yremote, just love this stuff. Best software ever, great team, great patching process. I am in IT and admire you for that.
Use it since the late 90's juke box times. FAN. I don't like having my PC running all the time though, hence these Sonos and NAS experiments.
I would LOVE to love ID.
I just simply don't understand what it does and how it helps me. That drawing is the only thing that explains a but, and it's totally irrelevant for my setup. All explanations in technical terms and features lists.
Tell me why should I spend 300$? Is ID only meant to be for audio geeks (don't mean that in a bad way), not for average consumer? Maybe it's not a consumer product. Or is this maybe a product that's obsolete with all emerging technology?
Jim, I saw a discussion thread where you asked why people love Sonos. One reason is: they do a great job explaining what it they sell.
If ID is great - and I have no doubt - i am sure you'd sell a lot more if you'd explain in simple terms and sketches what it does. The sketch you have includes two ID's. That turns me off, too expensive. 1 ID for each stereo / speaker? No way. Or am I not getting it?
Cmon, sell me on it!
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If ID is great - and I have no doubt - i am sure you'd sell a lot more if you'd explain in simple terms and sketches what it does. The sketch you have includes two ID's. That turns me off, too expensive. 1 ID for each stereo / speaker? No way. Or am I not getting it?
Cmon, sell me on it!
That's such a great straight line. But I know you're serious.
It magically connects your computer with a playback device (DAC, Receiver, TV).
It preserves the quality of your audio. It can play anything MC can.
You can control it with JRemote or Gizmo on a smart phone.
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Thanks Jim.
But how is it different to controlling MC that's running on my PC, and streaming it to an airport express? The pc has to be on anyways, with the ID, airport express has an optical out and feeds into a dac. Airport express is way cheaper, and not even the cheapest of such technologies out there. Multiply the price difference with the number of speakers / stereo's / TV's connect.
Sorry, I still don't get it, which can be entirely my fault and ignorance :(
and yes I am serious, darn serious ;)
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Sorry, but I think you've convinced yourself.
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How was the Id’s default buffer size of 500 ms determined? This value is substantially larger than recommended buffer sizes in MC for Windows, i.e 50ms and 100ms for ASIO and WASAPI, respectively. IME, buffer sizes (and apparently Period sizes} do impact sound quality.
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You can change it if you prefer something different.
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How was the Id’s default buffer size of 500 ms determined? This value is substantially larger than recommended buffer sizes in MC for Windows, i.e 50ms and 100ms for ASIO and WASAPI, respectively. IME, buffer sizes (and apparently Period sizes} do impact sound quality.
The buffer sizes work differently on Linux. The "period time" is the hardware buffer and has the biggest influence on playback stabilitiy, which by default is 100ms just like on Windows. The "buffer time" is an extra software ring buffer, and should be at least twice the size of the period buffer.
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Sorry, but I think you've convinced yourself.
Guess it will remain a mystery for me then. No worries.
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You can change it if you prefer something different.
I have done this.
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I have been assisting a friend in setting up his Id here in Sydney, Australia. For the sake of its possible return, he is "John from Sydney" known to JRiver's sales lady.
A Windows 7 PC stores his music files and runs MC20's library server. The Id is connected via Ethernet to a common router.
There has been a few problems, from trying to determine a suitable audio device from an array of cryptic possibilities, to excessive latency in push mode. With gapless playback, it was taking about 10 or more seconds to list the next track as No.2, so if the Next track button was pressed on JRemote or Gizmo during the first 10 or so seconds of the first track, it just wasn’t ready. Deciding that the Id wasn't really suitable for him as a renderer, I set it up to load the library from the PC and run in "pull" mode (something that I do here with a Windows 8 Lenovo Tiny PC that works really well). Although the Id takes a little time to load the library, this no big deal. When Play (on JRemote or Gizmo) is pressed, all of the tracks then appear immediately for quick next track selection.
The Id is connected via USB to a SOtM dX-USB converter that works fine on a Windows laptop or Apple Mac Mini. The audio driver finally selected was "front:CARD=S20,DEV=0[ALSA]” after seeing it mentioned earlier in this thread re another XMOS-based USB device.
So with everything generally stable and looking promising, the problem remaining is that when a singer sings a word with the letter S in it, there is very heavy crackling distortion. It is much more than a general sibilance.
I have thoroughly searched these threads and can find references to crackling, but not with the Id.
Is there something that could be adjusted to remove the crackle? He is playing FLAC files only.
Connected to the SOtM converter is an old Sony DAC/preamp that accepts 44 and 48 only, so I have set MC on the Id to convert to 44 and 48 where necessary. The crackling was on ripped CDs at 44. I was gonna try converting to 48 to see if that fixed it, but I'm guessing a bit there.
The Id arrived around Xmas and I saw that there was an update a day or so after delivery so I did that. I will get him to update it again.
Perhaps I have left out detail here, but I can fill in any specific gaps if requested.
I was looking at going over to his place and giving it another shot this coming weekend.
Thanks in advance.
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Did you test without the USB convertor? The sound problem you're having isn't one I recognize. It's not normal.
You could also test with analog out. That would tell you whether the problem is in MC or further down the line.
Did you try SOtM? Does it work on Linux?
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SoTM claims that it works with "Windows OS/Linux/MAC OS-X".
John's SOtM has been tested to work well on PC and Mac Mini, so we don't think the problem lies there. Also his Sony DAC/preamp works fine with digital input from his CD player.
We did not try the analogue out of the Id. Perhaps that's something we could try this weekend.
He received an email from your sales lady Deanna who kindly offered to accept its return, so maybe he would prefer to return it and buy a laptop than persist. I hope he persists and we get it going properly else I feel that the Id has beaten us.
My hunch is that it might play nicely on 48kHz. This is from experience that I had with a Focusrite 2i2 that crackled part way through a log sweep out of REW on a Windows laptop using 96, but did a fine job when set to 88.
Also, although we settled on the audio device that I mentioned in my previous post, there are two others that looks like possibilities that we did not try. These are the second from top, and the last one in this photo which I took after attaching the SoTM (since I do not know how to capture an image on Linux):
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82233154/After%20SoTM%20attached.JPG)
The ones with "S20..." only appeared after attaching the SoTM. Should we try those?
The one with "iec958.." produced sound, but only at a very low level requiring the Sony to be cranked up to full.
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The device names are the hints that the ALSA driver gives us.
In general the front: devices are the hardware devices.
Anything that uses default or sysdefault are going through the system mixer which we want to avoid in general.
The iec one is spdif.
How the device reacts to any of these hints depends on the individual device driver.
if you have a relatively recent Id update there could be access to the alsa mixer control on either hidden option 13 or 14, can't quite remember which off the top of my head. The other is access to the wireless config tool.
You may have to resize the window that the mixer shows up in if you are in gui mode.
If you don't have that you could download the beta firmware update at the top of this board.
My Id works plays tracks instantaneously being pushed to when transitioning gaplessly.
I suggest you check the PC's DLNA server settings. There is no reason for conversion to be on when pushing to (or pulling from) the Id. Make sure that audio is set to "Original Format" in the DLNA server config.
Similarly if you are connecting the Id as a library server client to the PC, make sure "Don't Convert" is selected in Media Network->Client Options (when connected to a library server)->Audio
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Thanks Bob and Jim.
OK we will stick with the current audio device "front:CARD=S20,DEV=0[ALSA]" and avoid the mixer.
On the Id I did set Audio Conversion to "convert if necessary" to PCM 16. I did this because John has an old Sony DAC connected to the SoTM that I figured would not want to receive anything of higher bit depth. In DSP Studio I also set every bitrate over 44 and 48 to downsample to either 44 or 48 for the sake of his Sony. Now given that nearly all of his albums are ripped from CDs, I see that I perhaps ought to correct both his "serving" PC and the Id to "don't convert audio" or as you say "original format" (I assume you mean on the Id there as I don't see it on my Windows version). I guess he will then need to convert any FLAC files on his HDD that were ripped from HDCD to 44/16 (one or two are at 44/24 with the padding that dBPoweramp put in there).
One other thing that I set on the Id was to play from memory. Not for any perceived sound quality reason, but to shoot the whole track across the network in a burst instead of hoping on a real time network flow (this can ofcourse be observed under Windows Task Manager). I do this at my place with the Lenovo which has much more RAM than the Id. I'll turn that off for John.
Hopefully he hasn't sent it back already. I'll call him tonight.
Cheers
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We're in the process of adding support for external NAS and USB drives.
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id#NAS_and_USB_Drives
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Thanks Bob and Jim.
OK we will stick with the current audio device "front:CARD=S20,DEV=0[ALSA]" and avoid the mixer.
On the Id I did set Audio Conversion to "convert if necessary" to PCM 16. I did this because John has an old Sony DAC connected to the SoTM that I figured would not want to receive anything of higher bit depth. In DSP Studio I also set every bitrate over 44 and 48 to downsample to either 44 or 48 for the sake of his Sony. Now given that nearly all of his albums are ripped from CDs, I see that I perhaps ought to correct both his "serving" PC and the Id to "don't convert audio" or as you say "original format" (I assume you mean on the Id there as I don't see it on my Windows version). I guess he will then need to convert any FLAC files on his HDD that were ripped from HDCD to 44/16 (one or two are at 44/24 with the padding that dBPoweramp put in there).
One other thing that I set on the Id was to play from memory. Not for any perceived sound quality reason, but to shoot the whole track across the network in a burst instead of hoping on a real time network flow (this can ofcourse be observed under Windows Task Manager). I do this at my place with the Lenovo which has much more RAM than the Id. I'll turn that off for John.
Hopefully he hasn't sent it back already. I'll call him tonight.
Cheers
Whether you are pushing to the Id or pulling from it, just stick to original format from the server and setup DSP studio on the Id to handle the sample rate range, etc.
Server side conversion is for devices that can only handle certain formats.
Client side of library server conversion is mainly for bandwidth and stream seeking issues.
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Went to John's as planned and tried the suggested settings (as well as trying 48kHz), but couldn't get it to play without crackling heavily on S's. Can't say that the Id is to blame. It might be an incompatibility with the SoTM hardware (which I have seen with SoTM gear before) or something downstream. Nonetheless John's a bit over it and has decided to send the Id back. Thanks for your help and John says thanks very much for offering to accept its return.
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A reply to member frefrefri's comments asking why something like the Id might be so useful. I start noting that MC is the acknowledged top of the line software for rendering clean digits from windows systems with 7 good and 8 better. Those comments come from Absolute Sound and well as Stereophile magazines in numerous articles on computer audio alternatives.
I've been looking for a better server/renderer for a while. I have sonos in one place with 4 units synchronized and a similar setup in another place with Logitech Squeezebox units. I use these systems for background music which plays virtually all the time. In both of those locations I have a high end audio system as well which I use for real listening. CJ ART pre and amps fed by Berkeley Alpha DAC S2 and into my little puppies, the wonderful Revel Studio's. My second setup is Krell, revel monitors and a mydac. I now use my main computers, which I build to fairly high audio quality specs, in each location to "serve" up the music each with juli@ cards. I use MC in both.
Trouble is I also use the computers for fairly active business and personal uses and I would prefer something that is dedicated music only, stays on all the time and can be controlled by ipad/phone. So the NUC fits for me. I admit that I'm playing with the Linux version but, given the idea, built a quick i5 windows version and that now runs MC through Sonos (which provides sync through all units in the house) with the choice of my music or created playlists from Pandora, Spotify and Sirius.
If we get this to run as cleanly as the windows version I would do two things. First, connect it to a high grade USB converter like the Berkeley or Empirical Audio and into the DAC, and, second, set some friends up with a great audio server/renderer at a price hard to beat (impossible at comparable USB audio quality) with the best software out there.
Congrats out to Bob and Jim for getting this where it is. Thanks to all the other folks out there who added to development through comments on this forum and I think we really have something here, high quality sound far surpassing Sonos or the like (not in the same league) at a great price.
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Thanks for saying so. It's Bob's work. I'm just a spectator.
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Hi,
I have a my JRiver Id for a few months now and other than the time when I switched DAC to a wyred4sound USB to spdif converter (got that fixed too eventually) everything sounded great.
I now want to try changing the upsampling reconstruction filter but I don't know how? From what I have read somewhere the JRiver is using the secret rabbit code reconstruction software, I am looking for one which which has a gradual low pass rather than a brickwall lowpass with minimal pre-post ringing. I am not computer engineering gifted so a step by step instruction would be really helpful.
Many thanks in advance
Oon
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I now want to try changing the upsampling reconstruction filter but I don't know how? From what I have read somewhere the JRiver is using the secret rabbit code reconstruction software, I am looking for one which which has a gradual low pass rather than a brickwall lowpass with minimal pre-post ringing. I am not computer engineering gifted so a step by step instruction would be really helpful.
You can specify upsampling in DSP Studio > Output Format. There's no secret magic -- we use the highest quality filters available and there's nothing to configure (except the rate you want).
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Hi Matt,
I am sure it is a good one, but everybody might have their own preference. I believe you can insert your own vst filter plug in or something like that. But what I want to know is where I can get the filter(s) and where do I insert it?
I think the best way to describe what I would like to do can be described in this post
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?99088-Upsampling-Impressions&highlight=filter
But implement it in JRiver. Is there some sort of plug in where I could add on to JRiver and I could tweak on the upsampling/reconstruction filter.
Thanks.
Oon
Thanks.
Oon
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Dear Jim JRiver, and forum members,
I bought Id last year and tried for some months then I changed JRMC20 on Windows as server, Id as renderer and JRemote on iPad as control point (Case 1 setting followed).
I usually rip a CD as one wav file with cue sheet. It's one of the reasons I'd been using JRiver.
Now I have a trouble playing these files. When I select any tracks from the album, the first track (from the beginning of ripped CDs) starts to play every time.
I set zone to Id in JRMC20 on Windows and cue directly inside MC, the result is same as Case 1.
However, there had been no trouble before I updated Id and JRMC20-Win on about Feb. 1st.
When I change setting to Case 2, it works well.
Case 1
Server: JRMC20 on Windows
Renderer: Id
control point: JRemote
Case 2
Server: Id
set ID playing from MC on Windows
set player on zone
Control point: JRemote
I experienced same situation when Linn DS was used as a renderer.
If you know how to fix it, please let me know.
Shin
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Apparently one can disable Wi-Fi only in GUI mode under Wicd Network Manager window. However, when Wicd Network Manager is closed and reopened, or Id is rebooted to any mode, Wi-Fi is re-enabled. And I could not find any obvious command in BIOS to disable Wi-Fi. Will there be a way in the future to disable the Wi-Fi adapter on the Id?
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Dear Jim JRiver, and forum members,
I bought Id last year and tried for some months then I changed JRMC20 on Windows as server, Id as renderer and JRemote on iPad as control point (Case 1 setting followed).
I usually rip a CD as one wav file with cue sheet. It's one of the reasons I'd been using JRiver.
Now I have a trouble playing these files. When I select any tracks from the album, the first track (from the beginning of ripped CDs) starts to play every time.
I set zone to Id in JRMC20 on Windows and cue directly inside MC, the result is same as Case 1.
However, there had been no trouble before I updated Id and JRMC20-Win on about Feb. 1st.
When I change setting to Case 2, it works well.
Case 1
Server: JRMC20 on Windows
Renderer: Id
control point: JRemote
Case 2
Server: Id
set ID playing from MC on Windows
set player on zone
Control point: JRemote
I experienced same situation when Linn DS was used as a renderer.
If you know how to fix it, please let me know.
Shin
What format are your cue/bin's in?
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Apparently one can disable Wi-Fi only in GUI mode under Wicd Network Manager window. However, when Wicd Network Manager is closed and reopened, or Id is rebooted to any mode, Wi-Fi is re-enabled. And I could not find any obvious command in BIOS to disable Wi-Fi. Will there be a way in the future to disable the Wi-Fi adapter on the Id?
The wifi doesn't have an address and isn't associated, right? (looking at menu option 11).
Are you trying to completely disable the wireless? Even if the device driver isn't loaded it will still be powered up unless physically removed.
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The wifi doesn't have an address and isn't associated, right? (looking at menu option 11).
Are you trying to completely disable the wireless? Even if the device driver isn't loaded it will still be powered up unless physically removed.
The wifi doesn't have an address but it still appears to be active. I just wanted to turn off wireless connectivity without removing the card so that it is not constantly processing signals from other wireless devices in the neighborhood which can be seen in Wicd Network Manager (WNW). I assumed that I would be able to do this using the switch off/on button in WNM, which apparently doesn't change anything.
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The wifi doesn't have an address and isn't associated, right? (looking at menu option 11).
Are you trying to completely disable the wireless? Even if the device driver isn't loaded it will still be powered up unless physically removed.
Maybe he's looking for something like rfkill: https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/documentation/rfkill
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Maybe he's looking for something like rfkill: https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/documentation/rfkill
It's on there but not in the menu.
I just tested it. It claims the wifi is softblocked when I try to block it.
The interface isn't removed though and I didn't see anything interesting in dmesg to confirm that something actually happened.
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I've been using the Id as a DLNA renderer in my home network for months. Just today my win 8.1 PC/Server running JRMC19 did not recognize the Id. So I checked Id status in GUI mode and got the “Trial Period Ended” message. I was able to restore license with registration code. After that, I rebooted the Id. This time the Id showed up in Windows File Explorer media devices and MC19. But I couldn't play music. I clicked on Id webpage link in Explorer and noticed no audio devices were displayed to choosefrom. I rebooted Id to GUI mode and got the “Trial Period ded” message again. I repeated the process to no avail. I also noticed each time after restoring my license that no audio devices nor settings we available to choose from in GUI.
Do have an idea Why the Id doesn't remember my registration? And why the list of audio devices is gone?
I check for updates once a week, and the Id was running fine the past couple days using recent (?) update 64 until today. What do you suggest I do now? Thanks.
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I've been using the Id as a DLNA renderer in my home network for months. Just today my win 8.1 PC/Server running JRMC19 did not recognize the Id. So I checked Id status in GUI mode and got the “Trial Period Ended” message. I was able to restore license with registration code. After that, I rebooted the Id. This time the Id showed up in Windows File Explorer media devices and MC19. But I couldn't play music. I clicked on Id webpage link in Explorer and noticed no audio devices were displayed to choosefrom. I rebooted Id to GUI mode and got the “Trial Period ded” message again. I repeated the process to no avail. I also noticed each time after restoring my license that no audio devices nor settings we available to choose from in GUI.
Do have an idea Why the Id doesn't remember my registration? And why the list of audio devices is gone?
I check for updates once a week, and the Id was running fine the past couple days using recent (?) update 64 until today. What do you suggest I do now? Thanks.
Sounds like the Id filesystem is corrupted.
I'd download the repair image (or beta image if you want the new disk menu) and first do a memory test.
If that's good, do a filesystem check from the restore menu.
If that's good, make sure you have a library backup (in /export/media or off the system on a usb key) and then do a firmware restore from the repair image.
If the backup license copy was corrupted you might want to re-enter the license key from that choice in the repair menu as well.
Finally if the Id boots to a black screen in text mode, re-run the repair image and do the boot repair option.
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Sounds like the Id filesystem is corrupted.
I'd download the repair image (or beta image if you want the new disk menu) and first do a memory test.
where can I find links to the downloads you refer to?
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where can I find links to the downloads you refer to?
They are stickied in this forum.
The general instructions:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=94636.0 (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=94636.0)
The Beta Firmware
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=95314.0 (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=95314.0)
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Thanks Bob--wasn't aware of the new Id forum.
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I just received my id Friday and experimented with it over the weekend. The instructions indicate you can change the audio output through Internet Explorer using the Media Devices option. I could not find that in Explorer 11. Is there a way to do it using Firefox or Chrome? I connected a monitor to change to my usb output. If one could log into the id through a network attached computer, it would be very helpful and convenient.
Once I got it playing, I noticed somewhere within albums and playlists, some tracks would not play. Those that played worked fine, but I was discouraged that all tracks would not play. The server I use is MC 19 on a computer running Ubuntu 14.04. When I change the server back to Twonky on the NAS drive, it plays the tracks MC 19 would not. Has anyone else experienced this problem?
I did receive a license key for MC 20 and I attempted to upgrade MC 19 to MC 20 on my server. The install looks like it ran, but I cannot find where it did. The only thing left is my MC icon that brings up MC 19. Perhaps a successful upgrade to MC 20 could fix my problem.
My other question about the id is how do I back it up? What do I do if the device fails and needs a new drive?
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I just received my id Friday and experimented with it over the weekend. The instructions indicate you can change the audio output through Internet Explorer using the Media Devices option. I could not find that in Explorer 11. Is there a way to do it using Firefox or Chrome? I connected a monitor to change to my usb output. If one could log into the id through a network attached computer, it would be very helpful and convenient.
Look at the Id zone in your Ubuntu MC.
Right-Click->Show Device Webpage->Audio Device
Once I got it playing, I noticed somewhere within albums and playlists, some tracks would not play. Those that played worked fine, but I was discouraged that all tracks would not play. The server I use is MC 19 on a computer running Ubuntu 14.04. When I change the server back to Twonky on the NAS drive, it plays the tracks MC 19 would not. Has anyone else experienced this problem?
If you are only sending to the Id, change the DLNA server settings on your MC 19 to NOT convert files. The Id should be able to play any of the files on your PC.
Since you are using an external DAC you will likely have to adjust the DSP studio settings to fit the sample rates that your DAC can handle.
I did receive a license key for MC 20 and I attempted to upgrade MC 19 to MC 20 on my server. The install looks like it ran, but I cannot find where it did. The only thing left is my MC icon that brings up MC 19. Perhaps a successful upgrade to MC 20 could fix my problem.
Delete the MC19 icon, find the new MC 20 icon in the Application list and drag it to the desktop. Since you are using a non-supported disto you might have to get some help from the people who use that.
My other question about the id is how do I back it up? What do I do if the device fails and needs a new drive?
There is a repair/reinstall stick online.
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Baseball
Thank you for your response. I looked in the applications section of Ubuntu and could not find an icon for MC 20. Is the icon like the one for MC 19, A circular with the play button in the middle? The only thing I remember seeing was a box icon that looked like the file download. I will check for it again.
Should I update Ubuntu to 14.10?
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Hi,
I use Qobuz. Is there a chance to play Qobuz through the Id in the near future ? (and also Desktop JRiver by the way) ?
Thank you
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Hi,
I use Qobuz. Is there a chance to play Qobuz through the Id in the near future ? (and also Desktop JRiver by the way) ?
Thank you
Not at this time. Not soon.
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What format are your cue/bin's in?
Hi bob, sorry for late reply.
I rip CDs using Exact audio copy (EAC) and it generates an uncompressed wav format CD image file and a cue sheet file with its default setting like followed:
REM GENRE Music
REM DATE 1993
REM DISCID 930D130A
REM COMMENT "ExactAudioCopy v1.0b3"
CATALOG 4560124910310
PERFORMER "Gil Goldstein, Romero Lubambo"
TITLE "Infinite Love (remaster 2013)"
FILE "Gil Goldstein, Romero Lubambo - Infinite Love (remaster 2013).wav" WAVE
TRACK 01 AUDIO
TITLE "My Foolish Heart"
PERFORMER "Gil Goldstein, Romero Lubambo"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
TRACK 02 AUDIO
TITLE "Luisa"
PERFORMER "Gil Goldstein, Romero Lubambo (w. Toninho Horta)"
INDEX 00 05:36:30
INDEX 01 05:39:30
TRACK 03 AUDIO
TITLE "The Phoenicians"
PERFORMER "Gil Goldstein, Romero Lubambo"
INDEX 00 11:09:35
INDEX 01 11:12:35
....
MC auto-imports these files into the library and works fine.
I tried JRMC19 for mac as a renderer, same thing happened with Id.
Is something wrong with server function of JRMC20 for windows?
Shin
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They are stickied in this forum.
The general instructions:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=94636.0 (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=94636.0)
The Beta Firmware
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=95314.0 (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=95314.0)
I restored the Id to the current (non-beta) firmware. It's running well now. Didn't need to update bios 034 to 048 since Debian MC20 update 64 eliminated any hanging when coming back up after the reboot.
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Following is an exchange with Baseball a couple of days ago with some questions.
If one could log into the id through a network attached computer, it would be very helpful and convenient.
Look at the Id zone in your Ubuntu MC. How & where do I look to find this?
Right-Click->Show Device Webpage->Audio Device
If you are only sending to the Id, change the DLNA server settings on your MC 19 to NOT convert files. How do I change DLNA server settings?
I did recently get MC 20 loaded. I tried both versions 20.0.70 and 20.0.74. I have problems with frequent crashes with both of them. Would appreciate any suggestions you have.
Thanks for your help.
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Following is an exchange with Baseball a couple of days ago with some questions.
If one could log into the id through a network attached computer, it would be very helpful and convenient.
Look at the Id zone in your Ubuntu MC. How & where do I look to find this?
Right-Click->Show Device Webpage->Audio Device
If you are only sending to the Id, change the DLNA server settings on your MC 19 to NOT convert files. How do I change DLNA server settings?
I did recently get MC 20 loaded. I tried both versions 20.0.70 and 20.0.74. I have problems with frequent crashes with both of them. Would appreciate any suggestions you have.
Thanks for your help.
Find the Id zone under playing now on the ubuntu computer then
Right-Click->Show Device Webpage->Audio Device
DLNA server settings are under
Options->Media Network->Add or configure DLNA servers..
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I am trying to update my MC to the latest one for Id. I went into the settings page and keyed in '12'. something happens and I get this
-su: line 1: 3285 Hangup mediacenter19 /mediaserver > /dev/nul 1 2 > &1
It has been like this for half an hour now, I don't know if it is downloading....
What do I need to do next?
Oon
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I am trying to update my MC to the latest one for Id. I went into the settings page and keyed in '12'. something happens and I get this
-su: line 1: 3285 Hangup mediacenter19 /mediaserver > /dev/nul 1 2 > &1
It has been like this for half an hour now, I don't know if it is downloading....
What do I need to do next?
Oon
MC needs to terminate while the update is happening so the hangup is normal.
The update is around 23 megs so if your connection is slow it could take a while.
I'd let it sit. If it's still going long after you think it should be done you could hit the power button once to shut it down. Don't hold it down, that's a poweroff shutdown. Not good to do in the middle of an update.
If worse comes to worse you can always restore the firmware with the repair image mentioned in this forum. Hopefully you have a backup of your library (if you have a library on it) just in case.
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looks like the thing downloaded after all, and I performed the upgrade. the upgrade seems to have gone smoothly however after that when I tried to turn it on. I get the main menu but not the JRiver console. I also could not connect to it by gizmo...
What is the next step..
Oon
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When you rebooted, did you remove the USB stick?
If you got the Id's normal menu, choose GUI mode if you want to see MC.
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Hi,
I didn't use the USB stick (did not need to do a recovery). I just used the software to update itself using option 12. After update, the menu is still there, but I only have the background without the gui, media centre icon is also missing.
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On that menu, there is a choice for GUI.
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I have tried that a few times, gui option but I don't have it. I used to have it on the original software version that came with the Id. So I am familiar with that. If you minimise the software you have the background with a swirl on it and an icon at the bottom of the screen. Now when I boot up in gui mode, all I get is the main menu in a small windows and the swirl background. But the gui and icon is missing.
Oon
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I have tried that a few times, gui option but I don't have it. I used to have it on the original software version that came with the Id. So I am familiar with that. If you minimise the software you have the background with a swirl on it and an icon at the bottom of the screen. Now when I boot up in gui mode, all I get is the main menu in a small windows and the swirl background. But the gui and icon is missing.
Oon
So you are actually in GUI mode and not 80x24 text mode.
On the taskbar at the bottom of the screen do you see MediaCenter anywhere (perhaps it's just minimized).
Also, far left on the bottom is the workspace screen number. Are you in workspace 1? Can you check the rest?
If you can't find MC anywhere you'll probably have to restore the Id firmware using either the repair iso or the beta firmware iso (see the top of this forum).
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Hi Bob,
I am in workspace one, Didn't see the mediacenter icon at the bottom of the screen (at the taskbar?). So you would suggest I download the repair iso and reinstall it and the update it from there? What is the difference between that and the beta iso? I have read in your instructions that I would need the registration code. Where can I find the registration code?
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Hi Bob,
I am in workspace one, Didn't see the mediacenter icon at the bottom of the screen (at the taskbar?). So you would suggest I download the repair iso and reinstall it and the update it from there? What is the difference between that and the beta iso? I have read in your instructions that I would need the registration code. Where can I find the registration code?
You could try the beta iso. It's got more features and can do the same firmware restore. It's just been updated to beta5
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And the registration code? If I use the beta 5, do I still need to do software update by "12"?
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And the registration code? If I use the beta 5, do I still need to do software update by "12"?
The update tries to preserve the registration code. If it's lost I can email it to you.
Just send me a PM with the serial number from the bottom of your Id.
If you haven't applied the update, wait a half an hour or so, I'm going to replace it with a beta 6 that swaps around the media and mnt usage.
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Does the Id support HLS streaming over DLNA from MC20?
HLS (Http Live Streaming) plays on MC 20.0.71 and above, not many (hardware) renderers support HLS at the moment :(
Cheers
Spike
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Han anyone run a JRMark with the Id to assess it's performance?
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Han anyone run a JRMark with the Id to assess it's performance?
Yes, the results are in the JRMark forum message.
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Just received the email from JRiver with the forthcoming ID releases.
Are there 360 degree pictures of the ID available. HDMI to my AVR, and USB to DAC will certainly work well.
A couple of questions:
1) Is an external HDD or SSD compatible with the ID (OR is the internal spinning drive replaceable on the ID models with server capacity). Is a specifc brand storage drive used (e.g. WD, Seagate)
2) If an ethernet connection is used, will the wi-fi be defeated....
3) Can the power supply be upgraded, or is the switching module more than adequate for the spinning drive ID units.
Sure I'll buy one, but which one? Thank you
I am currently using my Bryston BDP-1 as a renderer, but it doesn't work for multichannel. The ID looks to be a great way to get there.
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The Id is based on the Intel NUC 2820FYKH. You can get more information from the PDF file on the Intel site:
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/nuc-kit-dn2820fykh-brief.html
Wi-Fi isn't active by default.
The power supply is sufficient. I use it with a 2TB USB drive. I wrote about it here:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=95970.0
Thanks for your interest.
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Jim, if I were to replace the SSD in my Id Classic with the 2TB drive you recommend, would I experience any major complications? Also, how quiet is that drive? My Id is in the cabinet in front of me in the listening room, behind glass. I cannot hear its fan, but I would not want to hear the drive.
Many thanks.
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The Id is based on the Intel NUC 2820FYKH. You can get more information from the PDF file on the Intel site:
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/nuc-kit-dn2820fykh-brief.html
Wi-Fi isn't active by default.
The power supply is sufficient. I use it with a 2TB USB drive. I wrote about it here:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=95970.0
Thanks for your interest.
Thanks for the prompt response. I plan on ordering one, just have to decide which version.
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Jim, if I were to replace the SSD in my Id Classic with the 2TB drive you recommend, would I experience any major complications? Also, how quiet is that drive? My Id is in the cabinet in front of me in the listening room, behind glass. I cannot hear its fan, but I would not want to hear the drive.
You could just add this drive to your current Id. I use it with a 2TB USB drive. I wrote about it here:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=95970.0
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Thank you, Jim. Is it very quiet in comparison to the Id fan?
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Very quiet. About the same as the Id. You can hear it if you put it to your ear, but if you step away at all you can't.
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Thank you, I will give it a try. I wonder how easy or hard transferring the library might be.
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Thank you, I will give it a try. I wonder how easy or hard transferring the library might be.
If you use the external drive for media you can just leave the library on the ssd. If you want to copy media from the ssd to the usb drive you can do that from another machine that can access both shares on the network at the same time.
I think you could also do it from within the MC gui on the Id with the "File rename, move and copy" function.
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Thank you, Bob. I'll order the drive and give it a go. I'm considering the 1TB version, though, as my library is currently 150 GB and likely to double or quadruple at most in a year or two, about the expected lifetime of the drive. On the other hand, if you tested this specific model, perhaps it is better to go with that, hopefully it won't be more fault-prone than the lower density one.
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Wi-Fi isn't active by default.
Actually, Wi-Fi is always active and currently can't be disabled. The wi-fi switch-off or rfkill commands don't work. The inability to disable wifi was previously brought up here and in the "New Id firmware for beta testing" message board.
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Can an external, AC powered DVD/CD (optical) drive be attached via USB2 to the ID and play tracks similar to an external HDD/SSD?
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questions from a new Id owner:
1. is it possible to connect to the ID via a computer to create playlists and import files? does this necessitate purchasing another JRiver license for the computer i'd like to run it on?
my library is imported to the Id from a NAS and i'd like to organize it a bit more.
2. i occasionally lose connectivity to the Id from my iphone/ipad and it necessitates a reboot to reconnect. is there a setting i need to use to prevent this? the ID is connected to my home network with ethernet
3. i'm using a USB out to an external DAC. the DAC appears several times in the Id output devices menu and i'm not sure which is the correct one to pick. by trial and error i found one that works but just wondering which is best. the choices are:
default:CARD=CP800
front:CARD=CP800,DEV=0
iec958:CARD=CP800,DEV=0 <--- this is the one i'm currently using
surround40:CARD=CP800,DEV=0
surround41:CARD=CP800,DEV=0
surround41:CARD=CP800,DEV=0
surround51:CARD=CP800,DEV=0
surround61:CARD=CP800,DEV=0
surround71:CARD=CP800,DEV=0
sysdefault:CARD=CP800
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Can an external, AC powered DVD/CD (optical) drive be attached via USB2 to the ID and play tracks similar to an external HDD/SSD?
The linux version of MC upon which the Id is built doesn't currently support optical drives.
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The linux version of MC upon which the Id is built doesn't currently support optical drives.
Thank you. Not a deal breaker for my upcoming Id purchase. :P
I can still plug the external drive in to the Bryston Media Player via USB- it's kind of quirky there, but works for the most part.
Any thoughts to upgrade support for that feature.
Thanks again for the reply.
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Thank you. Not a deal breaker for my upcoming ID purchase.
I can still plug the external drive in to the Bryston Media Player via USB- it's kind of quirky there, but works for the most part.
Any thoughts to upgrade support for that feature.
Thanks again for the reply.
It's in the pipeline but no timeframe yet.
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It's an Id, not an ID. Pronounced to rhyme with hid or lid, not pronounced as the letters I and D.
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It's an Id, not an ID. Pronounced to rhyme with hid or lid, not pronounced as the letters I and D.
Complications ? ? ? ?
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It's in the pipeline but no timeframe yet.
Thank you.
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Jim. or Bob, maybe you can assist me making my final decision of which unit to get. Just got off the phone with the order desk, and they asked me to post the question (Question #1).
1) Is there any practical advantage to getting the larger capacity Id with spinning drive, versus the smaller Id with the 128gb SSD and plugging in your own portable HDD. I have about 600-700 gb of flac files, 160 gb of which are Hi-res flac and Hi-res flac surround.
2) Is the Id USB output generally compatible with all USB DACs (I have a Wyred4Sound Dac-2)
Thank you.
Robert
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It should work with that DAC.
If you're only intending to use the Id as a Renderer (playing to it from another device), then the smaller drive will work. If you want to also use it as a server, you will need a bigger drive.
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Looking for both solutions (renderer and server), so the larger drive looks like the the answer, especially for the hi-res stuff. Thank you.
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Jim. or Bob, maybe you can assist me making my final decision of which unit to get. Just got off the phone with the order desk, and they asked me to post the question (Question #1).
1) Is there any practical advantage to getting the larger capacity Id with spinning drive, versus the smaller Id with the 128gb SSD and plugging in your own portable HDD. I have about 600-700 gb of flac files, 160 gb of which are Hi-res flac and Hi-res flac surround.
2) Is the Id USB output generally compatible with all USB DACs (I have a Wyred4Sound Dac-2)
Thank you.
Robert
Also to some degree it's just a matter of what you prefer.
I think the smaller package (without the external drive) is nice.
Also, drive access from the internal bus is always going to be faster though I don't think that really matters here.
The flexibility of being able to move an external drive from one place to another might be nice.
OTOH if you have your music somewhere else already, having it on a Id internal drive too can be seen as a type of backup.
In any case you should of course always have your music collection in at least two physically different places.
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questions from a new Id owner:
1. is it possible to connect to the ID via a computer to create playlists and import files? does this necessitate purchasing another JRiver license for the computer i'd like to run it on?
my library is imported to the Id from a NAS and i'd like to organize it a bit more.
2. i occasionally lose connectivity to the Id from my iphone/ipad and it necessitates a reboot to reconnect. is there a setting i need to use to prevent this? the ID is connected to my home network with ethernet
3. i'm using a USB out to an external DAC. the DAC appears several times in the Id output devices menu and i'm not sure which is the correct one to pick. by trial and error i found one that works but just wondering which is best. the choices are:
default:CARD=CP800
front:CARD=CP800,DEV=0
iec958:CARD=CP800,DEV=0 <--- this is the one i'm currently using
surround40:CARD=CP800,DEV=0
surround41:CARD=CP800,DEV=0
surround41:CARD=CP800,DEV=0
surround51:CARD=CP800,DEV=0
surround61:CARD=CP800,DEV=0
surround71:CARD=CP800,DEV=0
sysdefault:CARD=CP800
Well, I'll take a stab at these questions.......
1. I know this was not exactly your question, but you do realize you can make playlists directly on the Id? When in GUI mode on the Id, right-click on "Playlists" to add a new playlist or smartlist (or hit F8 or F9, respectively). I realize that the Id may not always be in a convenient place, though, so as far as accessing it remotely, you may be able to connect to it from another computer running JRiver Media Center by using the "Library Server" feature, with authentication to allow you to make changes.
As far as licensing goes, I am not sure. My understanding is that a "Master License" will allow you to use Media Center across Windows, Mac OS, and Linux platforms on several different computers around the house, but can you upgrade an Id license to a master license? I am not sure. I will leave that to someone from JRiver to answer.
2. Reboot the Id, you mean? How are you accessing the Id from iPhone/iPad? Are you using JRemote? What happens, exactly? Does the Id disappear, does music quit coming out of the Id, or something else?
3. "iec958" is really just a fancy term for "digital audio out". IEC958 is the spec from the International Electrotechnical Commission that codified the S/PDIF and AES/EBU digital outputs. That is what I use for my DAC.
For reference, "front" generally means regular 2-channel audio (front-left and front-right speakers), and all the "surround" modes are probably self-explanatory. I believe they generally refer to analog audio, but that may depend on the hardware and driver involved. For example, "front" might work with your 2-channel DAC, but the "surround" modes probably won't.
I am not quite sure what "default" and "sysdefault" refer to, exactly. Linux documentation is so confusing to me, because it always seems to assume that you already know what they are talking about. :P
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I'll just add a bit to alglove's detailed explanation.
The device names are the hints to the device that ALSA provides based on what the device claims.
Often (but not always) the effect of opening something like front:CARD=CP800,DEV=0 and surround51:CARD=CP800,DEV=0 and iec958:CARD=CP800,DEV=0 are exactly the same.
The Id is licensed by default. No need to mess around with licenses.
Default and Sysdefault often use the Pulse audio driver framework (if it's installed which it isn't on the Id).
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Also to some degree it's just a matter of what you prefer.
I think the smaller package (without the external drive) is nice.
Also, drive access from the internal bus is always going to be faster though I don't think that really matters here.
The flexibility of being able to move an external drive from one place to another might be nice.
OTOH if you have your music somewhere else already, having it on a Id internal drive too can be seen as a type of backup.
In any case you should of course always have your music collection in at least two physically different places.
Thanks. I went ahead and ordered the 2TB spinning drive model. Your backup advice is good. I have several copies locked down just in case, one remotely.
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alglove: thanks for explanation about iec958, i'll keep using it as well.
as for adding playlists and editing the library, i know i can do that on the Id with the gui but i prefer headless operation and would rather connect from my laptop. the iPad and iPhone interfaces are too cumbersome for my taste as well for extensive editing.
i guess the real question as you pointed out is whether the Id's MC license can be upgraded to a master license, hopefully it's complimentary given the price but beggars can't be choosers. how do I upgrade the Id MC license to a master license?
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I encountered a problem using my id as a renderer. I just received the id last month and got it set up using a USB connection to a PS Audio Direct Stream DAC. Things seemed to be working well until I took trip for 5 days. When I left, I shut off my power management center that cut the AC power to my system, like what would happen if you had a power failure. When I restarted everything, I couldn't get it to play. The connection to the DAC was lost. I went through several attempts to get the id to recognize the DAC, and when I did get it reconnected, I get no audio through the left channel. Other sources like FM and CD play fine.
I'm open to suggestions of what to do next. The first time I got it working, all was fine. Can a power failure corrupt anything?
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I encountered a problem using my id as a renderer. I just received the id last month and got it set up using a USB connection to a PS Audio Direct Stream DAC. Things seemed to be working well until I took trip for 5 days. When I left, I shut off my power management center that cut the AC power to my system, like what would happen if you had a power failure. When I restarted everything, I couldn't get it to play. The connection to the DAC was lost. I went through several attempts to get the id to recognize the DAC, and when I did get it reconnected, I get no audio through the left channel. Other sources like FM and CD play fine.
I'm open to suggestions of what to do next. The first time I got it working, all was fine. Can a power failure corrupt anything?
After I started playing different tracks from my server, it appears to be working. Sounds like it's time to check cable connections. I'm still baffled why I had to do several attempts to get the id to recognize the DAC? The first time I set it up, the id found it right away.
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After I started playing different tracks from my server, it appears to be working. Sounds like it's time to check cable connections. I'm still baffled why I had to do several attempts to get the id to recognize the DAC? The first time I set it up, the id found it right away.
The power failure might have corrupted the filesystem on the Id SSD but it's a pretty remote possibility and it wouldn't have been fixable by simply trying it repeatedly.
If you keep having trouble you could restore the firmware.
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The power failure might have corrupted the filesystem on the Id SSD but it's a pretty remote possibility and it wouldn't have been fixable by simply trying it repeatedly.
If you keep having trouble you could restore the firmware.
Thanks for your suggestion. Last night it played fine for several hours.
For future reference, if I do a quick press/release of the power button to shut the unit down before cutting off power, would it retain its setting to the DAC when powered up again?
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Thanks for your suggestion. Last night it played fine for several hours.
For future reference, if I do a quick press/release of the power button to shut the unit down before cutting off power, would it retain its setting to the DAC when powered up again?
Yes, the quick push/release of the power button does a orderly shutdown.
Holding down the power button for >5 seconds is a hard poweroff.
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A couple of questions:
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3) Can the power supply be upgraded, or is the switching module more than adequate for the spinning drive ID units.
I use Keece DC-116 single output 6a power supply with my Id. http://www.keces.com.tw/5_english/index_5_english.htm
It provides a significant increase to the audio quality.
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I have been following the posts regarding the latest beta software developments for the Id.
Will the changes to modify how the Id "sees" a NAS fix the following problems:
1. Increasing the screen font size (important for us old guys with deteriorating eyesight).
In my Windows MC version (20.0.80) I can increase the screen font size through Tools - Options - Tree & View - Select Font - Font/Font Style/Size.
However, in the Id (MC 20.0.64) the last font option is missing. One is only presented with the option of Lucida or Unifont, with no size change available.
2. Importing (updating files).
The Id only looks to it's own SSD to import files, not the NAS. I find I have to clear the NAS library and re-import the updated library. This same occurs when updating the NAS library in the Windows MC20 9as opposed to the main library).
3. Adding Artist/Album view in audio. Unfortunately, clearing the NAS library on the Id wipes this view out andI have to re-install it every time I update the Id library.
4. The Windows main library and the NAS library (on both my Windows PC & the Id) treat the album & artists details differently, especially in compilation type albums.
The Windows main library tends to keep the compilation (greatest hits etc) together, but the NAS library splits them into individual artists. All libraries get their data from the one Netgear NAS.
If not, any suggestions on what settings I can change to alleviates these problems?
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I got the JRiver updated to the latest Beta release and successfully mounted the NAS.
I have a problem. I have some DSD tracks. I am able to play DSD files but the connected Audio-gd DAC shows that the track is decoded as PCM rather than DSD.
DSP settings:
- output Encoding is "none"
- sampling on all frequencies are set to "no change"
Thanks for the help.
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Is there a recommended format scheme for the external 2TB drive to be connected via the USB 3 port on the
Id? I will be transferring my music later today, and I'd like to get the best possible setup before I stary copying everything.
Happy St Patrick's Day from Ireland. :)
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I have been following the posts regarding the latest beta software developments for the Id.
Will the changes to modify how the Id "sees" a NAS fix the following problems:
1. Increasing the screen font size (important for us old guys with deteriorating eyesight).
In my Windows MC version (20.0.80) I can increase the screen font size through Tools - Options - Tree & View - Select Font - Font/Font Style/Size.
However, in the Id (MC 20.0.64) the last font option is missing. One is only presented with the option of Lucida or Unifont, with no size change available.
Good point. The font structures are totally different on linux and we've not had a lot of time to devote to that yet.
The user defined font string can be used to bring in a larger font.
Choose "User Defined" as the font and then as the user defined font string use something like:
lucidasans-14
This one looks pretty good too:
-b&h-lucida-medium-r-normal-sans-14-140-75-75-p-81-iso10646-1
2. Importing (updating files).
The Id only looks to it's own SSD to import files, not the NAS. I find I have to clear the NAS library and re-import the updated library. This same occurs when updating the NAS library in the Windows MC20 9as opposed to the main library).
The beta firmware adds a menu to control external media, by allowing mounting of NAS and attached USB drives. You can add the location those are mounted to the auto-import locations in MC.
3. Adding Artist/Album view in audio. Unfortunately, clearing the NAS library on the Id wipes this view out and I have to re-install it every time I update the Id library.
4. The Windows main library and the NAS library (on both my Windows PC & the Id) treat the album & artists details differently, especially in compilation type albums.
The Windows main library tends to keep the compilation (greatest hits etc) together, but the NAS library splits them into individual artists. All libraries get their data from the one Netgear NAS.
If not, any suggestions on what settings I can change to alleviates these problems?
These last 2 issues should go away when you mount the NAS directly instead of as a DLNA server.
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I got the JRiver updated to the latest Beta release and successfully mounted the NAS.
I have a problem. I have some DSD tracks. I am able to play DSD files but connect Audio-gd DAC shows that the track is decoded as PCM rather than DSD.
DSP settings:
- output Encoding is "none"
- sampling on all frequencies are set to "no change"
Thanks for the help.
With an attached USB Dac that supports DoPE, You need to turn on bitstreaming in the Audio options.
Note that the only device we know for certain that works with this is the Mytek Stereo DSD-192.
The current standard linux kernels do not support DSD thats not DoPE wrapped.
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Is there a recommended format scheme for the external 2TB drive to be connected via the USB 3 port on the
Id? I will be transferring my music later today, and I'd like to get the best possible setup before I start copying everything.
Happy St Patrick's Day from Ireland. :)
If you are ONLY going to be using it on the Id I suppose it could make sense to make it an ext4 filesystem to get the journaling support in case you lose power otherwise you could just use ntfs like all of the pre-formatted ones use.
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If you are ONLY going to be using it on the Id I suppose it could make sense to make it an ext4 filesystem to get the journaling support in case you lose power otherwise you could just use ntfs like all of the pre-formatted ones use.
Thanks, Bob. Power losses are guaranteed, because the device is in an AV cabinet, which does not get the same level of love and care as a computer would. I'll go with ext4, thanks for the suggestion. I think Mac OS X can support it, too, so copying the files should be relatively easy, the very first time I need to do it. On the other hand, perhaps I'll copy the 200 GB or so over the network anyway.
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Run into an issue. To format the drive as ext4 I need a Linux box. I assumed that I could get a console in GUI mode of Id, but I cannot find it. Is there a way to launch a shell of any kind on the Id so as to issue the fdisk and ext4 commands?
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Run into an issue. To format the drive as ext4 I need a Linux box. I assumed that I could get a console in GUI mode of Id, but I cannot find it. Is there a way to launch a shell of any kind on the Id so as to issue the fdisk and ext4 commands?
No there isn't a way to format it ext4 directly on the Id.
One way is to boot one of the live linux CD's/USB sticks.
There is a program called minitool partition wizard free 9.0 for windows that can supposedly do it as well.
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No there isn't a way to format it ext4 directly on the Id.
One way is to boot one of the live linux CD's/USB sticks.
There is a program called minitool partition wizard free 9.0 for windows that can supposedly do it as well.
Just downloaded CentOS 7 LiveCD, thanks for the suggestion, should be easier than installing a full VM. Good luck with the Beta 10 upload.
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With an attached USB Dac that supports DoPE, You need to turn on bitstreaming in the Audio options.
Note that the only device we know for certain that works with this is the Mytek Stereo DSD-192.
The current standard linux kernels do not support DSD thats not DoPE wrapped.
I tried that and DAC still shows PCM. Seems like I have to live with PCM then.
I have another issue with this JRiver ID and DAC combo. I am experiencing no output from there DAC on irregular basis. Sometimes it happens after many tracks. Sometimes is happens in the middle of the 1st track I play. Stopping and starting the track again normally solves the problem. How do I get rid of this pausing/silence? Gizmo shows the track is still playing but there's no signal coming out from the DAC.
Should I increase the buffer size? Currently the buffers are at default. I think the default figures are 500000 and 100000. This figures are in microseconds in this Linux version?
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I tried that and DAC still shows PCM. Seems like I have to live with PCM then.
I have another issue with this JRiver ID and DAC combo. I am experiencing no output from there DAC on irregular basis. Sometimes it happens after many tracks. Sometimes is happens in the middle of the 1st track I play. Stopping and starting the track again normally solves the problem. How do I get rid of this pausing/silence? Gizmo shows the track is still playing but there's no signal coming out from the DAC.
Should I increase the buffer size? Currently the buffers are at default. I think the default figures are 500000 and 100000. This figures are in microseconds in this Linux version?
You are correct, the figures are in microseconds. You could try bumping them up.
Since it sounds like your DAC doesn't support DoPE you should probably turn off bitstreaming.
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Gizmo won't connect to Id's Library when using Id as PC/server. Any ideas as to why? I can connect to Id's library and control audio playback with Bubbleupnp app however. I've verified correct access key entered in Gizmo.
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Gizmo instructions are on the wiki.
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Gizmo won't connect to Id's Library when using Id as PC/server. Any ideas as to why? I can connect to Id's library and control audio playback with Bubbleupnp app however. I've verified correct access key entered in Gizmo.
Some of the Id's escaped with duplicate access keys, try resetting it and getting a new one.
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Some of the Id's escaped with duplicate access keys, try resetting it and getting a new one.
You can do that under Options > Media Network.
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Some of the Id's escaped with duplicate access keys, try resetting it and getting a new one.
Thanks. That worked. I reset the access key then deleted the 2 pre-configured DLNA servers and then added a Generic DLNA server.
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How do I get the text menu to come up when I'm in the GUI? I have done it before but for the life of me cannot remember how I did it.
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Move the MC window. Alt Tab, too, I think.
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Also, if you look across the bottom of the screen, you will probably see a taskbar with 4 main regions: "Workspace 1", the date/time, "JRiver Media Center 20", and "mainmenu". Just click where it says "mainmenu".
The taskbar is really plain, so it is easy not to recognize it as an actual taskbar. ;)
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It should work with that DAC.
If you're only intending to use the Id as a Renderer (playing to it from another device), then the smaller drive will work. If you want to also use it as a server, you will need a bigger drive.
Hi Jim, received my Id202 yesterday, and got it working via HDMI no problem. Looks like my DAC (base version Wyred4Sound DAC-2) doesn't support Linux (the DSD version appears to). Tried all of the options via the WebRemote menu to no avail. Would employing a USB to SDPIF converter solve my problem and allow connection from the Id USB output? I am looking at the one in the link below which supports Linux and is driverless. I prefer to have the USB option available, since the DAC-2 has a better clock than the Yamaha AVR I'm using. Thank you.
https://wyred4sound.com/products/dacs-converters/%C2%B5link
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It doesn't work if you connect via USB? I see it has a USB port.
The option "front" something on the Id's menu will use the front USB port.
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The problem is that the non-DSD version of the W4S DAC-2 does not support USB Audio Class 2 (UAC2) natively, whereas the DSD versions of it do. You can tell by looking at the spec sheets, because the non-DSD version requires proprietary drivers for Mac OS 10.4-10.9, whereas the DSD versions feature "USB 2.0 compliancy & ASIO 2.2 (Driverless support for Mac and Linux systems)". Mac OS has had native support for UAC2 since Mac OS 10.6.4, and so does the Linux kernel used by the Id.
https://wyred4sound.com/products/dacs/dac-2-series
On the other hand, the USB to SPDIF adapter should work: :) Quoting from page 2 of the µLINK manual:
"Derived from the latest asynchronous XMOS design, the μDAC-HD is certified USB 2.0 High Speed as well as Audio Class 2.0 compliant. A quick driver install is required for PC machines; however, it remains driverless for Mac (10.6.4 and above) and Linux systems."
https://wyred4sound.com/sites/default/files/%C2%B5LINK%20-%20%C2%B5DAC-HD%20MANUAL%20V1.1_0.pdf
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The only references I've seen to native DSD ALSA support require bleeding edge kernels and references to the ALSA DSD format that MediaCenter doesn't currently do.
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This driver may work:
https://github.com/panicking/snd-usb-asyncaudio/wiki
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This driver may work:
https://github.com/panicking/snd-usb-asyncaudio/wiki
That is the HiFace driver, it's already in the existing Id builds.
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The ID OTA (live update) is up.
You can get it by doing menu item 12 from your Id menu.
This is an extensive update and it's large (about 30 megs). If you have an older Id that hasn't been updated yet the process will be silent. Give it some time, maybe 30 minutes depending on the speed of your internet connection.
It includes the new menu for handling attached USB drives and for attaching network shares and well as kernel and driver updates.
Before installing this, make a backup of your library!
You can backup your library to the export filesystem directory.
You should also be ready to reinstall the Id firmware if something goes wrong. The last beta firmware is the same as the firmware used in this update, it's at:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=95314.msg656625#msg656625 (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=95314.msg656625#msg656625)
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That is the HiFace driver, it's already in the existing Id builds.
Dear Bob and Jim,
I updated the firmware after Bob posted the update being available this afternoon. I also contacted W4S and downloaded a driver for my PC that's Win7 compatible. Two things occurred - the Id as a server registered, and as a renderer, the USB began functioning using sysdefault: CARD (both Young and PCH seem to work). Not sure if it's the firmware update, the W4S DAC-2 (non DSD) PC driver download, or the tooth fairy that got it working, but I'm happy nonetheless. Really appreciate your help. ;D
Now that the Id works as a renderer, is there a link, or support specific instruction thread on how to move music files onto the Id 202 HDD.
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Is there a way to run the Id headless and still be able to have access to the main menu without connecting a monitor? E.g. How can I add a network drive or upgrade the software without a monitor attached?
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Now that the Id works as a renderer, is there a link, or support specific instruction thread on how to move music files onto the Id 202 HDD.
This worked for me:
(Open) Windows Explorer>>Network>>Computer>>Id>>media
Move or copy your music files to the "media" folder.
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Is there a way to run the Id headless and still be able to have access to the main menu without connecting a monitor?
Not at this time.
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This worked for me:
(Open) Windows Explorer>>Network>>Computer>>Id>>media
Move or copy your music files to the "media" folder.
I did this too, but had problems with the ordering of tracks. Ended up resetting to factory and am hoping someone could provide a thread on how to do a direct library copy onto the Id 202 drive.
I don't want to add, and delete a bunch of tracks to the Id 202 using a trial and error process. I took the Id out of the audio rack and will work on it next to the PC.
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I did this too, but had problems with the ordering of tracks. Ended up resetting to factory and am hoping someone could provide a thread on how to do a direct library copy onto the Id 202 drive.
I don't want to add, and delete a bunch of tracks to the Id 202 using a trial and error process. I took the Id out of the audio rack and will work on it next to the PC.
Allow me to rephrase: Is there a way to direct copy my MAIN LIBRARY within JRiver to the Id LIbrary within JRiver. I can clone my Library, but can't seem to figure out how to drop it into the Id Library on my PC. When I download the flac files direct to the Id media subdirectory, most of my files go into an unassigned folder, and not specific to the album and artist.
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Allow me to rephrase: Is there a way to direct copy my MAIN LIBRARY within JRiver to the Id LIbrary within JRiver. I can clone my Library, but can't seem to figure out how to drop it into the Id Library on my PC. When I download the flac files direct to the Id media subdirectory, most of my files go into an unassigned folder, and not specific to the album and artist.
There are two issues here:
q) Can you use a library from windows on the Id?
a) Getting the library over to the Id can be done by simply copying the library file onto the Id's export partition then importing it in MC on the Id. However I don't believe you can use it on the Id, the paths are different and incompatible and there are differences in allowed characters in Windows vs Linux. There are some people who have tried to do this with the move, rename ... function by changing the base path and separators I don't know if they were successful or not, I suspect not.
q) The files go into the unassigned folder.
a) You can fix this by simply updating all of the file tags from the library function in MC. Of course this won't do you any good if you don't want MC writing the tags.
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With the music on the NAS, where should I have the library files: with the processor on Id, or with the music on the NAS?
Thanks!
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With the music on the NAS, where should I have the library files: with the processor on Id, or with the music on the NAS?
Thanks!
Library local on the Id so it's faster to browse.
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Video Questions:
With the latest stable version installed, and the following config, I have video *almost* working perfectly. (grin)
I am not the best person to traverse the complexities of video, so I really suspect operator error here. I just hope not too embarassing!
1. ID has a static address and is connected via UTP to the network.
2. "GUI" is selected
3. ID is connected via HDMI to a port on our AVR, displays okay, has no trouble displaying even when the ID is not selected on the AVR, or after the AVR has been in standby.
4. Video is stored on Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit machine, running MC v20, latest release.
5. Video is stored as VOB files, complete DVD including subtitles and non-english tracks where such were on the disk.
6. JRemote connected to the Win7 machine, with ID HDMI zone selected as the output zone.
Playing most video works just fine, and looks pretty darn good. But in some cases, there is no audio. Also, I sure cannot find how to bring up the Subtitles when I want them. Not sure I know how to do that even from MC console in Windows.
Have also tried connecting to ID with JRemote and playing video from local disk with about the same results. Found that JRemote "remote" menu did not work.
Interesting enough, though perhaps not relevant, allowing the BluRay player to stream from the same MC Win7 instance, we will sometimes get the subtitles with no audio! (Sony BDS6200). All very confusing. :)
Audio by itself plays great however, either over the HDMI, or to a second zone attaches to a USB DAC.
Pointers, anyone?
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Video Questions:
With the latest stable version installed, and the following config, I have video *almost* working perfectly. (grin)
I am not the best person to traverse the complexities of video, so I really suspect operator error here. I just hope not too embarassing!
1. ID has a static address and is connected via UTP to the network.
2. "GUI" is selected
3. ID is connected via HDMI to a port on our AVR, displays okay, has no trouble displaying even when the ID is not selected on the AVR, or after the AVR has been in standby.
4. Video is stored on Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit machine, running MC v20, latest release.
5. Video is stored as VOB files, complete DVD including subtitles and non-english tracks where such were on the disk.
6. JRemote connected to the Win7 machine, with ID HDMI zone selected as the output zone.
Playing most video works just fine, and looks pretty darn good. But in some cases, there is no audio. Also, I sure cannot find how to bring up the Subtitles when I want them. Not sure I know how to do that even from MC console in Windows.
Have also tried connecting to ID with JRemote and playing video from local disk with about the same results. Found that JRemote "remote" menu did not work.
Interesting enough, though perhaps not relevant, allowing the BluRay player to stream from the same MC Win7 instance, we will sometimes get the subtitles with no audio! (Sony BDS6200). All very confusing. :)
Audio by itself plays great however, either over the HDMI, or to a second zone attaches to a USB DAC.
Pointers, anyone?
Video support on the Id is still pretty recent.
There are some formats that can cause trouble.
The fact that you can't play some of them from the local disk indicates that there is still work to be done on MC video decoding on the Id.
Can you tell us specifically what formats don't work?
There is a field in the database called "compression". You can see what MC thinks of the file by looking at that.
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There are two issues here:
q) Can you use a library from windows on the Id?
a) Getting the library over to the Id can be done by simply copying the library file onto the Id's export partition then importing it in MC on the Id. However I don't believe you can use it on the Id, the paths are different and incompatible and there are differences in allowed characters in Windows vs Linux. There are some people who have tried to do this with the move, rename ... function by changing the base path and separators I don't know if they were successful or not, I suspect not.
q) The files go into the unassigned folder.
a) You can fix this by simply updating all of the file tags from the library function in MC. Of course this won't do you any good if you don't want MC writing the tags.
Thanks. Was hoping to avoid the re-tagging process. Loaded the library on to the Id in the Media directory as was previously suggested, and will re-tag with the help of Library Manager.
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How do I sync the Id internal hard drive to the MC 20 program on Windows. I am having trouble syncing the two after tagging the library. I am tagging all of the unassigned flac files and trying to organize, but can't get the Id hard drive to accept the changes. The Id has been set to read write. When I try to sync the library, I get a message that only authenticated servers are available and to go to Options Media Network. My default system key is different than the Id access key.
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How do I sync the Id internal hard drive to the MC 20 program on Windows. I am having trouble syncing the two after tagging the library. I am tagging all of the unassigned flac files and trying to organize, but can't get the Id hard drive to accept the changes. The Id has been set to read write. When I try to sync the library, I get a message that only authenticated servers are available and to go to Options Media Network. My default system key is different than the Id access key.
You are trying to use library server to sync the file changes from windows to the Id?
I've never tried that. If you do, assuming you are connecting to the Id with Windows as the client, you need to setup authentication on the Id under Media Network.
A non-authenticated client can only read the server not write it.
I figured the approach you would take would be that you'd tag the files on the windows machine and copy them back over to the Id.
Some people have also setup the Id share as a virtual handheld device in Media Center and done a sync that way.
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You are trying to use library server to sync the file changes from windows to the Id?
I've never tried that. If you do, assuming you are connecting to the Id with Windows as the client, you need to setup authentication on the Id under Media Network.
A non-authenticated client can only read the server not write it.
I figured the approach you would take would be that you'd tag the files on the windows machine and copy them back over to the Id.
Some people have also setup the Id share as a virtual handheld device in Media Center and done a sync that way.
Hi Bob, thanks for answering my questions. I have a fully tagged library that is my main library for MC PC 20 on the C drive of my PC. I can't figure out how to transfer that MAIN Library to the Id (as a server, I can get there as a renderer). I copied my flac library from windows to the Id (took all night) and only some items showed up tagged and in album/artist form (mostly the newer stuff). I tried to update the tags in MC20 on my PC and sync the library. Won't work - returns with an error message. I can access the files via JRemote, but can't update or change the tags. I have a 7000 track unassigned file. Can I assign the Id as a handheld, and transfer the files into the ID hard drive that way. I can use the ID as a renderer, but not as a server - it's not working out as I had expected. As a renderer, I would have gone the SSD route, but thought the larger HDD would store the files locally. Been tinkering with the device several days, and I'm kinda stuck.
PS: I have authentication setup on the PC, but not sure how to do that to match the access code on the Id. The access keys for the PC and Id are different. Is there a way to go into the Id to match the access keys?
Authentication was setup only in my effort to get the Id going, didn't have it setup before.
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Video support on the Id is still pretty recent.
There are some formats that can cause trouble.
The fact that you can't play some of them from the local disk indicates that there is still work to be done on MC video decoding on the Id.
Can you tell us specifically what formats don't work?
There is a field in the database called "compression". You can see what MC thinks of the file by looking at that.
Well, it is a VOB folder, but for the life of ne, I cannot figure out where to find this compression field you are talking about... sorry to be stupid on that. Can you point me where to find it?
Thanks- Paul
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Hi Bob, thanks for answering my questions. I have a fully tagged library that is my main library for MC PC 20 on the C drive of my PC. I can't figure out how to transfer that MAIN Library to the Id (as a server, I can get there as a renderer). I copied my flac library from windows to the Id (took all night) and only some items showed up tagged and in album/artist form (mostly the newer stuff). I tried to update the tags in MC20 on my PC and sync the library. Won't work - returns with an error message. I can access the files via JRemote, but can't update or change the tags. I have a 7000 track unassigned file. Can I assign the Id as a handheld, and transfer the files into the ID hard drive that way. I can use the ID as a renderer, but not as a server - it's not working out as I had expected. As a renderer, I would have gone the SSD route, but thought the larger HDD would store the files locally. Been tinkering with the device several days, and I'm kinda stuck.
PS: I have authentication setup on the PC, but not sure how to do that to match the access code on the Id. The access keys for the PC and Id are different. Is there a way to go into the Id to match the access keys?
Authentication was setup only in my effort to get the Id going, didn't have it setup before.
Hi Emovac1,
I think we need to start with some background information.
There are 2 pieces we are dealing with here.
1) The library. This is a relatively small database of all of the characteristics (album, artist, etc) of all of the files (music, image and video) in your MC.
2) The files themselves. These files may or may not (in the file tags) have the same information in them that are stored in the library database.
In your case we can assume that the majority of the files do not have the information stored in their tags. If they did, when you imported them on the Id all of the information in the tags would get put into the database and everything would be sorted properly.
So our task is to either
1) Update the tags in all of the files on your windows PC, clear the Id library, move the files to the Id again and re-import them on the Id.
2) Find a way to use the library database on the Id.
I don't think option 2 is available at this time because of the path and character translation issues I mentioned before.
Option 1 is relatively easy as long as you don't mind MC updating tags in your flac files. If this worries you, make a backup of the files first.
On the Windows MC you can just select all of the files (Audio->Files->All, click on one, hit control-a. they will all be highlighted)
Then on the highlighted file list:
right-click->Library Tools->Update tags from library
This will take a while on 7000 files, depends on the speed of your PC and the speed of the storage that the files are on.
Once this is finished, the tags on the files have all of the information needed to sort properly when you copy the files to the Id and re-import them.
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Well, it is a VOB folder, but for the life of ne, I cannot figure out where to find this compression field you are talking about... sorry to be stupid on that. Can you point me where to find it?
Thanks- Paul
It's in the database. If you display the file details in MC there will be fields across the top that say things like name, duration, etc.
If you right-click on one of those fields you can enable others, like compression.
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Ah, I rarely use the MC interface, I think this is what you are asking about?
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Hi Emovac1,
I think we need to start with some background information.
There are 2 pieces we are dealing with here.
1) The library. This is a relatively small database of all of the characteristics (album, artist, etc) of all of the files (music, image and video) in your MC.
2) The files themselves. These files may or may not (in the file tags) have the same information in them that are stored in the library database.
In your case we can assume that the majority of the files do not have the information stored in their tags. If they did, when you imported them on the Id all of the information in the tags would get put into the database and everything would be sorted properly.
So our task is to either
1) Update the tags in all of the files on your windows PC, clear the Id library, move the files to the Id again and re-import them on the Id.
2) Find a way to use the library database on the Id.
I don't think option 2 is available at this time because of the path and character translation issues I mentioned before.
Option 1 is relatively easy as long as you don't mind MC updating tags in your flac files. If this worries you, make a backup of the files first.
On the Windows MC you can just select all of the files (Audio->Files->All, click on one, hit control-a. they will all be highlighted)
Then on the highlighted file list:
right-click->Library Tools->Update tags from library
This will take a while on 7000 files, depends on the speed of your PC and the speed of the storage that the files are on.
Once this is finished, the tags on the files have all of the information needed to sort properly when you copy the files to the Id and re-import them.
I was able to sync the Id as a handheld. Most of the tracks went over no problem. Most of the album art, and meta data went too. I had wrongly thought you could transplant the main library over via windows. Maybe you can, but I couldn't figure it out. The Handheld Id Sync with the main program works, and sounds great so far. Therefore I can use the Id as a server and renderer. I stumbled into the sync by just trying it. Is there a thread describing all the functions of the program. A glossary maybe??? Many of the pull down options in the menus have a meaning, but without testing them you take a chance screwing something up.
Thank you kindly Bob for your continued help. I really appreciate it. Sure more things will come up, but for now it's working. Sincerely, emovac1 (I'm also a Bob)
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I may have conceptually misunderstood what I was to use the id for, so any help would be appreciated. Firstly, is there a way to use theater view with this thing? I will be running the server from my other computer, and I thought I would just plug this thing into my tv so I could use theater view to browse around and stream from the server. Is that going to possible, either now or at some point in the future? When I ran the id in GUI mode, I didn't even see an option for theater view. Additionally, when I try to use the iphone app to play some videos to the id, some of them worked, but some of them would not play. I didn't get any error message, but they just kept skipping on to the next file until one of them would play. Most of the files I'm trying to play are mkv, if that matters.
Thanks,
Andrew
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I'm getting the id-usb kit and have a few questions:
- I want to use the id as a player that accesses the library on my main computer (with MC20). Will I be able to do this?
- Is it better to use as a dlna renderer where my main computer pushes to the id?
- is there a difference in sound quality (i'm guessing not)?
- Is dsd via dop supported in both configurations mentioned above?
Thanks
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Is there a way to defeat the apparently energy saving feature that puts the display to sleep after so many minutes when in GUI mode running Id as DLNA server?
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Library local on the Id so it's faster to browse.
How do I set up a local library on my Id without having and music files stored on it (I use a NAS)?
I would like to import the library from my Netgear NAs (NAS-D5-EO-24: ReadyNAS 312) to speed up loading.
I have to wait several minutes for the NAS library (about 44,000 files - 1.28tb) to load before I can commence playing files on the ID.
If I try to access the library before it fully loads the Id often falls over.
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Is there anyway to run ID headless and get access to the menus and settings without a monitor, keyboard and mouse?
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Ah, I rarely use the MC interface, I think this is what you are asking about?
Yes, thanks. I passed that info along to Hendrik. The lpcm audio is the key I think.
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Is there a way to defeat the apparently energy saving feature that puts the display to sleep after so many minutes when in GUI mode running Id as DLNA server?
Under options try searching for HDMI.
You'll see "disable HDMI from turning off".
enable that and see if that does what you want.
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How do I set up a local library on my Id without having and music files stored on it (I use a NAS)?
I would like to import the library from my Netgear NAs (NAS-D5-EO-24: ReadyNAS 312) to speed up loading.
I have to wait several minutes for the NAS library (about 44,000 files - 1.28tb) to load before I can commence playing files on the ID.
If I try to access the library before it fully loads the Id often falls over.
With the new firmware you can mount the NAS as a share instead of using it as a DLNA library.
When it's mounted as a share, MC doesn't need to load the whole library at once.
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Is there anyway to run ID headless and get access to the menus and settings without a monitor, keyboard and mouse?
Not at this time.
You can change some of the settings through the web interface like the audio device and zone.
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Yes, thanks. I passed that info along to Hendrik. The lpcm audio is the key I think.
Super- I did notice it was LPCM instead of AC3 like most of the other discs. Just have to figure out how to enable subtitles and this should be a rocking setup.
Yours,
-Paul
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I was able to sync the Id as a handheld. Most of the tracks went over no problem. Most of the album art, and meta data went too. I had wrongly thought you could transplant the main library over via windows. Maybe you can, but I couldn't figure it out. The Handheld Id Sync with the main program works, and sounds great so far. Therefore I can use the Id as a server and renderer. I stumbled into the sync by just trying it. Is there a thread describing all the functions of the program. A glossary maybe??? Many of the pull down options in the menus have a meaning, but without testing them you take a chance screwing something up.
Thank you kindly Bob for your continued help. I really appreciate it. Sure more things will come up, but for now it's working. Sincerely, emovac1 (I'm also a Bob)
Hi Bob,
Good to hear you got it working.
The Wiki is the most up to date source for information on the menu functions.
We are working on getting the Id up to the level of the windows version of MC.
The current firmware revisions make a backup of the library in the export filesystem so you should be able to recover if you mess something up without too much trouble.
Bob
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I may have conceptually misunderstood what I was to use the id for, so any help would be appreciated. Firstly, is there a way to use theater view with this thing? I will be running the server from my other computer, and I thought I would just plug this thing into my tv so I could use theater view to browse around and stream from the server. Is that going to possible, either now or at some point in the future? When I ran the id in GUI mode, I didn't even see an option for theater view. Additionally, when I try to use the iphone app to play some videos to the id, some of them worked, but some of them would not play. I didn't get any error message, but they just kept skipping on to the next file until one of them would play. Most of the files I'm trying to play are mkv, if that matters.
Thanks,
Andrew
Hi Andrew,
The Id was designed primarily as a standalone audio renderer.
As we've seen demand for particular things, extra functionality has been added.
Theater view is a big project in linux, that is a goal. I can't say when it will happen.
If you want to run the Id as a completely standalone server/renderer, JRemote or Gizmo would be the best way to control it.
If you are using it with MC running on a PC, you should set the DLNA server in MC on the PC to send files in "Original Format".
The Id should play all audio that the PC version of MC can play.
Video support is very new. There are probably some formats that will play on Windows and not the Id.
When you have the DLNA server settings on MC on the PC set to "Original Format" and you find a format that doesn't work, would you please report that format's characteristics (via the "compression" field on the MC PC)?
Bob
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I'm getting the id-usb kit and have a few questions:
- I want to use the id as a player that accesses the library on my main computer (with MC20). Will I be able to do this?
- Is it better to use as a dlna renderer where my main computer pushes to the id?
- is there a difference in sound quality (i'm guessing not)?
- Is dsd via dop supported in both configurations mentioned above?
Thanks
You can use it as a MC client to your MC on the PC or as a push-to renderer from the MC on the PC. If you have the client settings on the Id set to not convert in the first case or the DLNA server settings on the MC PC set to "Original format" in the second case the sound should be identical.
If you have a DSD Dac on the Id that supports DoPE you should be able to do this either way.
We have test some DSD DoPE on the Id but not a lot. You probably should check to see if your DAC manufacturer supports this with the standard linux kernel build 3.16.
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Super- I did notice it was LPCM instead of AC3 like most of the other discs. Just have to figure out how to enable subtitles and this should be a rocking setup.
Yours,
-Paul
It turns out that disc (ifo) playback isn't supported on the Id yet.
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Seriously? Aw shucks! Most of the other (ifo) files play fine, but don't present the DVD menu, or let you select episodes and so forth. Rats - well, back to figuring this one out again.
The native DVD files seem to play best, as converting them to anything iTunes can see and send to a ATV just degrades their quality. More study (or patience) required.
Thanks -Paul
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Seriously? Aw shucks! Most of the other (ifo) files play fine, but don't present the DVD menu, or let you select episodes and so forth. Rats - well, back to figuring this one out again.
The native DVD files seem to play best, as converting them to anything iTunes can see and send to a ATV just degrades their quality. More study (or patience) required.
Thanks -Paul
I think it's the ifo/disc structure that doesn't play.
I'd think that a mpeg2 ts with the original material in it (non-transcoded) would work.
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Under options try searching for HDMI.
You'll see "disable HDMI from turning off".
enable that and see if that does what you want.
I've done this and it doesn't change anything---the Id still puts the monitor to sleep.
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I've done this and it doesn't change anything---the Id still puts the monitor to sleep.
It should as long as something is playing.
I set it on a test machine here and will let it run overnight.
If your monitor/TV has it's own setting the Id can't control that.
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Thanks for investigating. Right now I don't believe it to be due to the monitor. I don't have this issue when running MC for Windows using the same monitor.
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Thanks for investigating. Right now I don't believe it to be due to the monitor. I don't have this issue when running MC for Windows using the same monitor.
It worked for me overnight.
The only thing I can think of other than the monitor is that MC restarted and the previous running MC left the settings in the off state.
I'll probably add a reset of those parameters to the restart script.
A test would be to reboot it and see if it starts working again.
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Hi Andrew,
The Id was designed primarily as a standalone audio renderer.
As we've seen demand for particular things, extra functionality has been added.
Theater view is a big project in linux, that is a goal. I can't say when it will happen.
If you want to run the Id as a completely standalone server/renderer, JRemote or Gizmo would be the best way to control it.
If you are using it with MC running on a PC, you should set the DLNA server in MC on the PC to send files in "Original Format".
The Id should play all audio that the PC version of MC can play.
Video support is very new. There are probably some formats that will play on Windows and not the Id.
When you have the DLNA server settings on MC on the PC set to "Original Format" and you find a format that doesn't work, would you please report that format's characteristics (via the "compression" field on the MC PC)?
Bob
Ok, that's what I was figuring. I can use it as is right now and maybe theater view will be available in a future update? Alternatively, if I reinstalled windows on the id, would that take care of my issue? I probably won't, because that sort of defeats the purpose of having it preloaded, but just as a workaround, that could fix the issue, right?
Also, where should I send reports of videos that won't work? Should I post them in this id-related thread, or is there some other thread for issues with video playback in general?
Thanks again,
Andrew
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Ok, that's what I was figuring. I can use it as is right now and maybe theater view will be available in a future update? Alternatively, if I reinstalled windows on the id, would that take care of my issue? I probably won't, because that sort of defeats the purpose of having it preloaded, but just as a workaround, that could fix the issue, right?
Also, where should I send reports of videos that won't work? Should I post them in this id-related thread, or is there some other thread for issues with video playback in general?
Thanks again,
Andrew
Could you please post reports of the videos that don't work in the Linux thread?
Re-purposing the Id is up to you. I'd imagine it'd void the warranty but I know some have done this..
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I think it's the ifo/disc structure that doesn't play.
I'd think that a mpeg2 ts with the original material in it (non-transcoded) would work.
I was asking about today, and was told that ripping the DVD to an ISO file might be a solution. If JRiver MC supports ISO files, do you think this might be a better solution that ripping to VOB files?
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I was asking about today, and was told that ripping the DVD to an ISO file might be a solution. If JRiver MC supports ISO files, do you think this might be a better solution that ripping to VOB files?
Hendrik would know better than I but I suspect the problem is the lack of dvd navigation and if you rip to an ISO that's still necessary.
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You would need to rip to MKV or some other "normal" video container for them to play on Linux right now. We do not support DVD navigation on Linux or Mac yet, which is required for both IFO and DVD ISO playback.
Unfortunately, DVD navigation is also quite complex, so it will likely be quite some time before this changes as well.
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You would need to rip to MKV or some other "normal" video container for them to play on Linux right now. We do not support DVD navigation on Linux or Mac yet, which is required for both IFO and DVD ISO playback.
Unfortunately, DVD navigation is also quite complex, so it will likely be quite some time before this changes as well.
But it does work already under Windows? Heck- I'll flip the ID into the bedroom and just put a Winders box if that solves the problem.
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Yes, it works on Windows.
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[...].
So our task is to either
1) Update the tags in all of the files on your windows PC, clear the Id library, move the files to the Id again and re-import them on the Id.
2) Find a way to use the library database on the Id.
I don't think option 2 is available at this time because of the path and character translation issues I mentioned before.
Hi Bob,
I'm on day 2 with the Id and I have a similar issue, except that my files are on a NAS mapped on both Windows and the Id.
Unfortunately #1 is not an option for me, as I have many SACD ISOs (plus some custom tags); I restored the Windows library - at least I got my JRemote settings - but of course there's the problem of slash-backslash translation.
I'm just wondering: could it work with a new option in Remove, Move & Copy File/Find & Replace for flipping the slashes in the files paths?
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I'm just wondering: could it work with a new option in Remove, Move & Copy File/Find & Replace for flipping the slashes in the files paths?
Perhaps. It would also have to take into account the drive: part of the path.
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hi Bob,
is there a way to disable USB power in the Id menu settings? thank you.
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No. Why do you want to?
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No. Why do you want to?
Minimize any potential conflct / interference in the USB cable between power and data. The DAC the USB routes to is self powered. Certain manufacturers make two headed USB cables, one carries data, one carries power. after the unit connects, the power USB A can be disconnected to prevent radiation.
not a big deal, just curious if the feature was available. The Id is one smokin' great device. Have well over 60 hours on mine so far since setting up. Absolutely Love it.
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Split USB Power for DAC (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=96896.0)
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The Id is one smokin' great device. Have well over 60 hours on mine so far since setting up. Absolutely Love it.
Thanks. Nice to hear that.
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After trying to set up a Raspberry Pi with a Wolfson audio card as a music streaming device, I guess I'm ready for the Id.
I would like to know why there is no other digital audio output than the USB socket. I would have thought that a digital outlet like S/PDIF wouldn't be so difficult to add. Also I'm interested if it's possible for me to change the hard drive for a bigger one, as I would like to add all my music files to the Id. Is it then possible to order one without a hard drive?
Sorry if one of my questions was asked - and answered - before. I read a lot here, but not everything.
Thanks!
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After trying to set up a Raspberry Pi with a Wolfson audio card as a music streaming device, I guess I'm ready for the Id.
I would like to know why there is no other digital audio output than the USB socket. I would have thought that a digital outlet like S/PDIF wouldn't be so difficult to add. Also I'm interested if it's possible for me to change the hard drive for a bigger one, as I would like to add all my music files to the Id. Is it then possible to order one without a hard drive?
Sorry if one of my questions was asked - and answered - before. I read a lot here, but not everything.
Thanks!
I would like to know why there is no other digital audio output than the USB socket.
HDMI is also digital.
I would have thought that a digital outlet like S/PDIF wouldn't be so difficult to add.
It wasn't available on the NUC we chose.
Also I'm interested if it's possible for me to change the hard drive for a bigger one, as I would like to add all my music files to the Id. Is it then possible to order one without a hard drive?
It isn't, but we also sell it with a 1TB and a 2TB drive.
http://www.jriver.com/Id
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My question: if the Id has a component failure (e.g. hard drive,) can they be sent in for repairs when they are out of warranty, and restored either online or via USB stick using the original license. I've had a couple of drives crash, so I'm curious if you will fix them at a nominal cost for the repair, etc.
I am using this as a server, and it absolutely rocks. I can go the renderer route too, but server via JRemote and USB to the DAC sounds the best IMO. thanks
Robert
JimH's response:
This was answered a few weeks ago on the forum. We will provide some repairs.
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Thanks for the prompt answer and sorry: it must have been a while that I checked the Id site ;D
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HDMI is also digital.It wasn't available on the NUC we chose.It isn't, but we also sell it with a 1TB and a 2TB drive.
Obviously there's no other way than HDMI or USB (I just checked Intel's NUC-site). If I'd chose HDMI I then would need another box: a HDMI splitter to seperate the audio signal from the video signal. I then would have S/PDIF.
I think, the JRiver Id with the Media Center is the best solution for my spartanic set-up. Should fit underneath the couch. 8)
(I don't have a 'normal' Hi-Fi system, as I don't have a TV (don't watch TV) and recently switched to active boxes with a direct input of analogue and digital audio signal: no extra amplifier.)
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Two questions:
First, would it be possible to purchase the Id from JRiver with no hard drive and just the USB install kit? I'd like to use a larger Solid State drive than what is available, and this would allow me to experiment with a laptop or old PC as well if I wanted to (based on the comment above that the USB stick can be used for more than one install). I want to use USB output for WAV, FLAC and DSD music formats.
Second, I'm not clear if the Id can output DSD to USB, I've seen conflicting information on the site?
I intend to use this with my Geek Pulse DAC (if it ever arrives) and Geek Pulse LPS (Linear Power Supply), I'm exploring options on both NUC power ( a linear power suppy ) and USB power with a split cable allowing the the Geek Pulse LPS to provide USB Power. I'm currently using an Oppo 95 to stream WAV and FLAC and am happy with the results.
All my music is stored on a Netgear NAS, and is either upsampled CD or high res downloads, PCM and DSD from HDTrack or similar. I plan on streaming from the Netgear NAS to the ID via switched Gigabit Ethernet.
Posted this earlier in the USB Install section, but didn't get an authoritative answer. I'm ready to buy once I get some answers and understand my options.
Thanks,
-Ed
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You could purchase a NUC anywhere and use the USB Kit to provision it.
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Two questions:
First, - Was answered...partially - concerning the hardware aspect. I also need info as want to use USB output for WAV, FLAC and DSD music formats which leads to the question below....
(Second Question) I'm not clear if the Id can output DSD to USB, I've seen conflicting information on the site? I've seen DSD to HDMI, but nothing that specifically states DSD to USB outputs.
Can you clarify???
Thanks,
-Ed
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The Id will currently do DSD with DoPE encoding.
Your chosen device must support this.
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If I load my music onto the id or use an external drive can I directly connect it via USB to my rotel 1570preamp with dac? I currently have our family laptop connected that way but I want to free up the laptop for nomad use and have a dedicated music player. I currently use jremote as my controller in iPad and it works like a charm. My JRiver v19 on my laptop I do a tiny bit of equilization but not much.
Will the id work without a computer if directly connected to the rotel?
Let me know if the answer is yes and I will order one!
Thanks in advance,
Mark
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If I load my music onto the id or use an external drive can I directly connect it via USB to my rotel 1570preamp with dac? I currently have our family laptop connected that way but I want to free up the laptop for nomad use and have a dedicated music player. I currently use jremote as my controller in iPad and it works like a charm. My JRiver v19 on my laptop I do a tiny bit of equilization but not much.
Will the id work without a computer if directly connected to the rotel?
Let me know if the answer is yes and I will order one!
Thanks in advance,
Mark
If your DAC is supported by the generic linux usb audio driver the Id will do what you ask with either internal or external storage.
You'll need to run it in gui mode with a monitor once to setup the specifics for your storage and output device.
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Can an Id be installed in a Pogoplug device?
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I don't think so.
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If your DAC is supported by the generic linux usb audio driver the Id will do what you ask with either internal or external storage.
You'll need to run it in gui mode with a monitor once to setup the specifics for your storage and output device.
Thanks for the info. My rotel 1570 preamp with wolfston dac doesn't mention anything about Linux USB drivers? I know for anything over 96k I need the rotel USB driver installed. How can I confirm if the id will for sure work with the rotel 1570? I guess I should email rotel?
I'm hoping to order an id soon just want to confirm the dac stuff.
Mark
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The Id could be set to convert anything that is over 96K. DSP Studio > Output Settings.
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How do I get the Id to store the library of the music files stored on an external USB drive (R-W enabled)? I currently have to reload the USB library each time I shutdown and restart MC.
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How do I get the Id to store the library of the music files stored on an external USB drive (R-W enabled)? I currently have to reload the USB library each time I shutdown and restart MC.
You should be able to import them as you would in any other version of MC. That's how I use it right now.
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You should be able to import them as you would in any other version of MC. That's how I use it right now.
I'm importing as you are, but MC is not saving the library.
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Did you set up auto import?
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Yes--but I expected the USB's Library would load a lot faster than it does--fast like my MC for Windows which is seemingly instantaneous. I'm now OK with this. I'm impressed with Sound quality from Id when operating as standalone music player--it comparatively sounds better than running MC for Windows on a PC.
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Yes--but I expected the USB's Library would load a lot faster than it does--fast like my MC for Windows which is seemingly instantaneous. I'm now OK with this. I'm impressed with Sound quality from Id when operating as standalone music player--it comparatively sounds better than running MC for Windows on a PC.
Correction:
Id doesn't save the Auto Import configuration and hence USB library. I still have to reload library upon Id startup. The Id does auto-import a different library however. It autoloads the library from when I use Id as renderer.
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I'm importing as you are, but MC is not saving the library.
Are you creating an alternate library or using the main library?
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Are you creating an alternate library or using the main library?
I guess it's an alternate library. It's called "USB". I have multiple libraries on my PC running MC for Windows. I thought could do the same with the Id.
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I guess it's an alternate library. It's called "USB". I have multiple libraries on my PC running MC for Windows. I thought could do the same with the Id.
Yes you should be able to use multiple libraries on the Id.
Each library has it's own settings.
I'll do some testing...
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Yes you should be able to use multiple libraries on the Id.
Each library has it's own settings.
I'll do some testing...
Works for me.
Is your library stored on the removable media as well as the files themselves?
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Works for me.
Is your library stored on the removable media as well as the files themselves?
Apparently the the library isn't stored anywhere. All I see on the removable usb stick are the files themselves.
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Apparently the the library isn't stored anywhere. All I see on the removable usb stick are the files themselves.
When you create the library, MC asks for a location to store it.
I usually choose something within the media directory, say creating a folder called testlib under documents.
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When you create the library, MC asks for a location to store it.
I usually choose something within the media directory, say creating a folder called testlib under documents.
I was adding the new library to the USB drive, the library would load but MC wouldn't save it upon shutdown. Even though I was in Read-write configuration. I'll try it your way.
While I currently prefer to use the Id as a renderer, it's also a very decent server/pc. I'm going to try it next as a server/pc pushing files to computeraudiophile.com's Beaglebone Black DLNA renderer. Sound- quality-wise, the BB is somewhat rough compared to the Id when running MC for Windows.
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I'm quite pleased with the Id. After I had it assembled (your USB kit, my NUC) and got some help here (thanks again), it works fine. I had it run in a test mode for a couple of days with the GUI version and today for the first time got it running in headless mode. I have access to it from the MC version on my computer but can't control the sound output. MC only uses the computer's loudspeakers (as far as I could find out). Is it possible to switch to the NUC's USB outlet? This is possible with the WebGizmo remote which isn't very comfortable.
Thanks!
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I'm quite pleased with the Id. After I had it assambled (your USB kit, my NUC) and got some help here (thanks again), it works fine. I had it run in a test mode for a couple of days with the GUI version and today for the first time got it running in headless mode. I have access to it from the MC version on my computer but can't control the sound output. MC only uses the computer's loudspeakers (as far as I cuold find out). Is it possible to switch to the NUC's USB outlet? This is possible with the WebGizmo remote which isn't very comfortable.
Thanks!
You can change the output device by connecting to it's web control port (replace 192.168.x.x with the address of your Id).
http://192.168.x.x:52199/WebRemote/
Choose the Audio Device tab
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You can change the output device by connecting to it's web control port (replace 192.168.x.x with the address of your Id).
http://192.168.x.x:52199/WebRemote/
Choose the Audio Device tab
Thanks again Bob, but that is not what I was looking for. Or I don't understand it. I would like to use the MC from my home computer to remote control the MC from the Id. This works with the library tools, but when I start playing a song, it is played over my home computer's monitor instead of the USB outlet of the NUC. For this, at the moment, I can only use the WebGizmo tool which to me is very uncomfortable.
Speaking of the WebGizmo player: How can I change the setting from shuffling songs of a playlist to NOT shuffle songs of one album? I think I tried everything, but nothing helped...
Added later the day:
I still have problems saving ratings to music files on the library on the NUC with both the MC programs, the one on the NUC and the other one on my home PC. When I change ratings on the home PC's MC, this will be synced to the NUC's MC, which is great: the changed ratings are in both MCs. On the NUC's MC it says "Saving tag changes (xx remaining)". Some files work, some won't and I don't see a difference why some can be changed and some can't.
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Thanks again Bob, but that is not what I was looking for. Or I don't understand it. I would like to use the MC from my home computer to remote control the MC from the Id. This works with the library tools, but when I start playing a song, it is played over my home computer's monitor instead of the USB outlet of the NUC. For this, at the moment, I can only use the WebGizmo tool which to me is very uncomfortable.
Speaking of the WebGizmo player: How can I change the setting from shuffling songs of a playlist to NOT shuffle songs of one album? I think I tried everything, but nothing helped...
Added later the day:
I still have problems saving ratings to music files on the library on the NUC with both the MC programs, the one on the NUC and the other one on my home PC. When I change ratings on the home PC's MC, this will be synced to the NUC's MC, which is great: the changed ratings are in both MCs. On the NUC's MC it says "Saving tag changes (xx remaining)". Some files work, some won't and I don't see a difference why some can be changed and some can't.
Perhaps I'm not getting this.
You are using MC on the home computer to push files to the Id?
If so you just pick the Id as the current zone (single click on it) on the home computer and then your output will go to the Id.
As for the ratings, it's possible some flac file tags might not be getting updated with the current build.
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My files are stored on the NUC, as is the library. I have access to them and to the library there with MC from my home computer (Mac). I can do all kinds of library stuff there, but when I trigger a song to be played, meaning: I double click the song or activate it and start the play button, the sound comes out of the computer's loudspeaker. Doing the same in MC on the NUC, the sound is send through the USB outlet. I don't find any settings in the MC on my computer, where I can change this.
Tagging: A message just popped up: "Media Center encountered errors while tagging or moving files. Check that the files exist, are not read-only, and are not in use by other programs". I can't see why some files can be tagged and others can't. :-[
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My files are stored on the NUC, as is the library. I have access to them and to the library there with MC from my home computer (Mac). I can do all kinds of library stuff there, but when I trigger a song to be played, meaning: I double click the song or activate it and start the play button, the sound comes out of the computer's loudspeaker. Doing the same in MC on the NUC, the sound is send through the USB outlet. I don't find any settings in the MC on my computer, where I can change this.
Thanks for clarifying your setup.
It's quite simple, just click on the "There" zone in MC on the home computer. "There" means the computer you are connected to.
You can also right-click on files or playlists and do Send To-> There.
Tagging: A message just popped up: "Media Center encountered errors while tagging or moving files. Check that the files exist, are not read-only, and are not in use by other programs". I can't see why some files can be tagged and others can't. :-[
If the problem is with flac files it should be fixed in the next update otherwise I'll need more info like the filepath.
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Thanks for clarifying your setup.
It's quite simple, just click on the "There" zone in MC on the home computer. "There" means the computer you are connected to.
You can also right-click on files or playlists and do Send To-> There.
Ah, There it is :) I knew it was me.
Will play around with it, but on a first test: Wouldn't it be easier to have the ability to chose the zone from the settings, so everything goes directly to the outtput, selected in the MC from the NUC?
If the problem is with flac files it should be fixed in the next update otherwise I'll need more info like the filepath.
Good to read. I didn't do anything with the files but copying them into the media folder in the InternalStorage folder. My system is (example with Nick Cave's album "Push the Sky Away"):
InternalStorage / media / N / Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds / 2013 - Push the Sky Away
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Ah, There it is :) I knew it was me.
Will play around with it, but on a first test: Wouldn't it be easier to have the ability to chose the zone from the settings, so everything goes directly to the outtput, selected in the MC from the NUC?
Good to read. I didn't do anything with the files but copying them into the media folder in the InternalStorage folder. My system is (example with Nick Cave's album "Push the Sky Away"):
InternalStorage / media / N / Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds / 2013 - Push the Sky Away
When you connected to a library you are changing the frame of reference to the tree so we thought this approach made more sense.
With your flac file, I wonder if the & is the issue. It's a special character in linux. Are all of the files that won't update like that (or with other characters like backquotes, etc)?
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When you connected to a library you are changing the frame of reference to the tree so we thought this approach made more sense.
I not only "just" listen to music, I sometimes sit in front of the computer and the music managing software (which is now MC) and browse the albums and artists. I rip CDs or buy FLACS on the internet, tag them properly (very properly), scan in a cover. I often listen to new music which I propably will delete right after having listened to it, rate it, re-rate it, change some other file tags, listen to a special song over and over again, etc. So I do use the software. After they were able to sort albums by year, I really loved iTunes and the way it managed music files and playlists. But now Apple is more in selling stuff and iTunes is too much for what I like, as you can't ignore the parts of the software you won't need any more. And I switched to FLAC which is not supported (any more - there was a plug-in). MC, in the GUI, is not as comfortable as iTunes but has anything I need and much more than iTunes will ever offer and I can forget the video part, when I don't need it.
Well, what I'm trying to say is, that now it's complicated to access the media on the NUC, as it needs more clicks to play files and it's not quite clear why it is that way. I only do have one library, I play music from and that's the one on the NUC now. To me there's no need for an extra way.
With your flac file, I wonder if the & is the issue. It's a special character in linux. Are all of the files that won't update like that (or with other characters like backquotes, etc)?
I had no problems with all my files on my Synology NAS before with the "&" symbol. I know there are certain chracters that can make problems, but those I already avoid. But I can't check that any more. Now that I know how to remote the library on the NUC, I started it in headless mode and put it underneath the couch. ;D
And: I'm quite happy with MC, although there is still place for improvements.
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I want my id (120g) Hard disk replacement into 1t, how to operate?
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I really like week-ends at home with something to work on (camera case) and some nice music :)
The NUC still plays the music and headlessly sits underneath the couch. In some working pauses, I rip CDs, delete music I'm not listening to any more and change old files against new ones I just bought on the internet. Deleting and adding files I directly do on the file level, other things I do on my home PC's MC, having opened the NUC's library (i guess).
It seems as if the syncing of the library is somehow disturbed. I can choose music and listen to it over "There", or I can add songs to playlists. But changes adding and deleting files won't show up in the artist's list. Exchanged music then can't be played, as the library only shows the old entries and of course can't find the new file that came instead. I guess this has something to do with the headless mode? This wouldn't happen, when the GUI version of MC on the NUC would be activated?
After a while...
...in the next pause with my camera case project, I looked at the auto import function, cause I thought it might not be set up properly (it is confusing, two MCs sharing one library plus the possibilities to have much more libraries... plus the way this is implimented in MC). As no folder was listed, I chose the "media" folder of the NUC which came up in an "InternalStorage-1" directory instead of "InternalStorage". I picked it anyway and MC started working. After a short while the missing files were imported into the library - so were all the other files again, which I now have twice...
After another while:
Well, I thought I'd better create a new Library instead of deleting thousands of files, which took a while and which is gone after a re-start of MC. I hate it.
>:( :P :-X ? :(
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I have just thought about the time I spent with the Id kit, the problems it has and made, the un-intuitive GUI, the skins (matter of taste) and the money it cost me (100 $ for the USB kit, 300$ for the NUC...) and I decided that it's not worth to spend more time than necessary with unfinished software. I do not want to use it any more and will switch to a different system, leaving MC behind. Is there a refund for the Id USB kit? How does this work?
Not even the web-based Gizmo player works properly...
Thanks.
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After another while:
Well, I thought I'd better create a new Library instead of deleting thousands of files, which took a while and which is gone after a re-start of MC. I hate it.
Did you create this new library on the Id (NUC)?
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Did you create this new library on the Id (NUC)?
I created it on my home PC. I played music over the MC of my home PC from the NUC, which ran headless.
Anyway, I stopped experimenting with it now. I don't want to spend too much time in a system I payed money for. I honestly think that the JRiver guys did a terrific job with MC, but I also think it's something made from computer nerds for computer nerds. Sorry to say that, as I really appreciate all the efforts and work that went into the various MC projects and I was willing to spend time with it (and I did). But in the end (my end) I had the feeling to work with software from just some open source project in an early beta stadium. But it's not, MC is quite expensive. Somehow I got the feeling that it was all about to add one option after another to a very complex software system, losing trace. I do miss the "soul" in this complexity, the well thought GUI, the skin that is more than just another color scheme from one of the MS Windows versions. Good software makes one forget about working with a machine. With MC nothing is natural and one has to think like a software coder. So, for the moment, I'm out (don't want a refund for the Id kit any more). I'll try some of the open source projects I found in the internet.
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If you want a simple interface, did you try Gizmo or JRemote as a remote control?
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Is there a specific driver (known) for the Cambridge Audio DAC MAGIC Plus device (Used as a headphone source). I can get the DAC to fire occasionally using the JRiver Id sysdefault C2 WebRemote settings, but only on certain tracks.
Id works like a champ on my Wyred4Sound DAC-2 (using Webremote Young setting) and Yamaha RX-A 3010 AVR.
Suggestions? Thanks.
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Is there a specific driver (known) for the Cambridge Audio DAC MAGIC Plus device (Used as a headphone source). I can get the DAC to fire occasionally using the JRiver Id sysdefault C2 WebRemote settings, but only on certain tracks.
Id works like a champ on my Wyred4Sound DAC-2 (using Webremote Young setting) and Yamaha RX-A 3010 AVR.
Suggestions? Thanks.
You probably need to configure DSP studio in the GUI mode to handle the sample rates your device doesn't support.
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You probably need to configure DSP studio in the GUI mode to handle the sample rates your device doesn't support.
Hello Bob. Did that and selected another WebRemote driver IEC958. Working now. Thanks for the guidance. Bob
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I have a hardware issue with the NUC I received last Tuesday. The lights around the Ethernet port on the back of the NUC are yellow and green, not green and green. Is this a problem? What should I do?
Otherwise, the unit is up and working.
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I have a hardware issue with the NUC I received last Tuesday. The lights around the Ethernet port on the back of the NUC are yellow and green, not green and green. Is this a problem? What should I do?
Otherwise, the unit is up and working.
The yellowish light just means it's connected at gigabit speed.
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The yellowish light just means it's connected at gigabit speed.
Thanks. That was easy.
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My music files are stored on Id USB drive and am running Read-Write configuration. So why am I getting the message "This database will be opened in Read Only mode. Any changes will be lost when program exits", when opening GUI mode? My library is lost each time I shutdown or reboot.
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My music files are stored on Id USB drive and am running Read-Write configuration. So why am I getting the message "This database will be opened in Read Only mode. Any changes will be lost when program exits", when opening GUI mode? My library is lost each time I shutdown or reboot.
Where is the library itself stored?
What is the filesystem format on the external drive?
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Where is the library itself stored?
What is the filesystem format on the external drive?
My library was located in a folder "USB Id" under "Documents". File system format on external drive is FAT32.
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My library was located in a folder "USB Id" under "Documents". File system format on external drive is FAT32.
Can you update to the latest (activated Friday) and see if there is a change?
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I've run MC on a PC for a few years and I installed an Id Classic on my network a couple of weeks ago; I store my music files on a Synology NAS. One of my players is a Squeezebox Touch. I can send songs to the Touch using MC on the PC and they play. When I send the same songs to the Touch using MC on the Id, I get the message "Problem: Unable to Play File Type for: <song title>" and the song does not play. I'm stumped. Any suggestions?
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Maybe a single file type won't play? What are they?
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Maybe a single file type won't play? What are they?
My file are FLAC (mostly 16/44.1).
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My file are FLAC (mostly 16/44.1).
Check the DLNA server settings for the Id as compared to your PC. Make them the same (or change the Id to send the "Original Format").
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Check the DLNA server settings for the Id as compared to your PC. Make them the same (or change the Id to send the "Original Format").
Brilliant. Thank you. The "Original" setting solved my issue.
Interestingly, I set the mode to "Original" on the Id and it began to work with the Squeezebox Touch. Then, I checked my PC and noticed that the mode was set to "Specified output format only when necessary". So I changed the Id mode to "Specified output ...", and the Id no longer worked with the Touch"; I changed the mode back to "Original". Currently, both systems are working, but with different settings.
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Brilliant. Thank you. The "Original" setting solved my issue.
Interestingly, I set the mode to "Original" on the Id and it began to work with the Squeezebox Touch. Then, I checked my PC and noticed that the mode was set to "Specified output format only when necessary". So I changed the Id mode to "Specified output ...", and the Id no longer worked with the Touch"; I changed the mode back to "Original". Currently, both systems are working, but with different settings.
If the specified output format was L16 it's likely the Touch can't play that format (even though it's required to by the spec).
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I run an Id Classic without a monitor attached. I control it from both MC running on my PC and JRemote on my iPad.
I like using the Audio Path information in MC. Is it possible to see the Audio Path info from the Id using either MC on my PC or JRemote on my iPad? How does one do so? I would really like to have this feature (without having to plug a monitor into the Id).
I have had my Id for almost a month and I am very pleased. It has addressed several minor yet annoying issues that arise from using a general purpose PC to serve music. Thanks.
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The next update of the Id software will allow you to use Remote Desktop or equivalent to view the Id desktop from a Windows or Mac machine. I believe Bob posted about it recently.
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The next update of the Id software will allow you to use Remote Desktop or equivalent to view the Id desktop from a Windows or Mac machine. I believe Bob posted about it recently.
Thanks. I look forward to that. Any idea when the update will be released to the Id?
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Bob may answer, but I'd try the update option now. If the remote feature isn't working, it should be available as an update in a few days.
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Thanks. I look forward to that. Any idea when the update will be released to the Id?
Testing now, hopefully this week.
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Testing now, hopefully this week.
Just got back from vacation. I turned on my Id and MC came up fine.
I used the menu to Update my Id (option 12 I think), downloaded a ~100 Meg file, processed and rebooted. Since then, nothing. I see the "Intel NUC" splash screen and the "GNU GRUB" screen. Then, the monitor goes blank. The Id does not show up on MC on my PC and it cannot be reached by JRemote on my iPad; trying to reach the Id using a web browser provides an "unable to connect" message.
If I bring up a file manager in Windows on my PC, the NUC appears as a network computer and I can see the the internal and external storage folders. I ran "Remote Desktop". It found the Id and I got to the "Login to xrdp" menu. It asked me for a password for the "Active Local Login" module, which I don't know. So, I know it is communicating on my home network.
Clearly, I need your help. What should I do?
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It's probably either in headless mode or the video isn't syncing up. Did you try turning all the equipment off and back on?
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Yes. I unplugged everything, power and connectors. Same behavior. I can see the Id in file manager, but not on the attached monitor and it is not showing up on any MC program - or through a browser.
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Yes. I unplugged everything, power and connectors. Same behavior. I can see the Id in file manager, but not on the attached monitor and it is not showing up on any MC program - or through a browser.
Sounds like the boot process is messed up.
At the grub prompt, select the advanced option then arrow down once to the item that says --with hdmi init at the end.
Hit enter (or ctrl-x)
You should then be able to see all of the information scroll by when the Id is booting.
At the menu, re-choose the mode you want the Id to startup in.
After the ensuing reboot does it work properly now?
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That is just what I needed. Thanks for responding so quickly.
The Id appears to be working correctly and I will play with it some more to be sure.
Still cannot use Remote Desktop to access the Id. Is that working yet, or are my attempts premature.
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That is just what I needed. Thanks for responding so quickly.
The Id appears to be working correctly and I will play with it some more to be sure.
Still cannot use Remote Desktop to access the Id. Is that working yet, or are my attempts premature.
With the current OTA update or the repair firmware the remote desktop should be working.
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With the current OTA update or the repair firmware the remote desktop should be working.
I ran "Remote Desktop" on my PC and I got to the "Login to xrdp" menu. It asked me for a password for the "Active Local Login" module, which I don't know. So I don't know how to proceed at this point. Does that sound right?
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It appears that the problem I am having with Remote Desktop is that I need credentials to log onto my NUC running MC. I didn't need any credentials to set up the unit. Can you help me with the credentials?
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In the text menu on the Id, you can set a password.
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In the text menu on the Id, you can set a password.
and the default password is remote
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and the default password is remote
That is just what I needed. Thanks for getting the remote desktop working. You guys are great.
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I know that the Id was designed primarily as an audio device, but since I read here that it supports video I began thinking of using it as a DLNA player for my movie collection. Recently I ordered one for that purpose, only to find out that it doesn't support subtitles (at least, so far as I can tell: the "Subtitles" selection does not appear on the context menu when I right-click on the screen while a movie is playing, and forced subtitles, which show up as expected on my computer monitor when I test my rips with MC, likewise do not appear). Is there any plan to support subtitles sometime in the future?
Thanks!
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Yes, and fairly soon. A month?
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You just made my day. If I can get the Id to work as I'd like in another location for audio (separate post), I'll be ordering another soon.
Thanks!
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Other tips:
- Spotify, Tidal integration?
- Client of Roonlabs?
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Probably not. The record labels wouldn't be happy.
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Hi,
I'm new to JRiver products. After reading around here, I'm considering buying an Id, and would like to understand if it'll do what I want. I'd appreciate any help, and I apologize for any dumb newbie questions and misuse of terminology!
I'll have about 4TB of ReplayGain-track-normalization-tagged FLAC and mp3 files on a Synology NAS, and I'd like to play them through my stereo without using an additional computer. I'd want the Id to play the files stored on the NAS, and send its output to a DAC connected to my stereo. I'm trying to understand how I'll be able to control and configure the Id and its Library.
1) From what I've read, I can mount the Synology NAS to MC running on the Id, and the Id will import new content from the NAS to its Library, but not copy the files to its internal drive. Is that correct? I saw a mention of using auto import to import all new content from the NAS. Would I also be able to selectively choose what content is imported?
2) I understand I can use Gizmo on Android as a remote control for MC on the Id. Could I also use WebGizmo?
3) Could I use MC running on my Mac laptop to configure the Id's Library? For example, could I use MC on my Mac to create a playlist in the Id's Library?
4) Could I use MC on my Mac to have the Id play songs from its Library to the DAC (essentially using MC on my Mac as the remote control for MC on the Id instead of Gizmo)?
5) When listening to a single album, I don't want to apply the ReplayGain track normalization tags. But when playing a playlist (which would have songs from many albums), I do want to apply the ReplayGain tags. Is this easily controlled from Gizmo?
Thanks very much!
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Hi,
I'm new to JRiver products. After reading around here, I'm considering buying an Id, and would like to understand if it'll do what I want. I'd appreciate any help, and I apologize for any dumb newbie questions and misuse of terminology!
I'll have about 4TB of ReplayGain-track-normalization-tagged FLAC and mp3 files on a Synology NAS, and I'd like to play them through my stereo without using an additional computer. I'd want the Id to play the files stored on the NAS, and send its output to a DAC connected to my stereo. I'm trying to understand how I'll be able to control and configure the Id and its Library.
1) From what I've read, I can mount the Synology NAS to MC running on the Id, and the Id will import new content from the NAS to its Library, but not copy the files to its internal drive. Is that correct? I saw a mention of using auto import to import all new content from the NAS. Would I also be able to selectively choose what content is imported?
That is possible. You can set your auto import settings in MC.
2) I understand I can use Gizmo on Android as a remote control for MC on the Id. Could I also use WebGizmo?
Yes.
3) Could I use MC running on my Mac laptop to configure the Id's Library? For example, could I use MC on my Mac to create a playlist in the Id's Library?
The Id recently added support for remote desktop and so this might be possible now.
4) Could I use MC on my Mac to have the Id play songs from its Library to the DAC (essentially using MC on my Mac as the remote control for MC on the Id instead of Gizmo)?
Yes. The wiki has a topic called Tremote.
5) When listening to a single album, I don't want to apply the ReplayGain track normalization tags. But when playing a playlist (which would have songs from many albums), I do want to apply the ReplayGain tags. Is this easily controlled from Gizmo?
You shouldn't need to switch. Have you tried it?
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The Id recently added support for remote desktop and so this might be possible now.
Remote Desktop would probably be sufficient if it's working well. But I was thinking of something along the lines of having MC on the Id and MC on my Mac use the same Library. Since they'd be using the same Library, when I made changes to the Library from MC on the Mac (e.g. creating a playlist), MC on the Id would see those changes. Is that a supported usage? Since MC on the Id would use the Library more often than MC on the Mac, I'd think it best to store the Library on the Id's drive, if MC on the Mac could access it from there--I read on the Wiki that it's important to have the Library on a fast internal drive. Or I could store the Library on the NAS. Would either of those be feasible?
You shouldn't need to switch. Have you tried it?
I haven't tried it, since I don't yet own JRiver. These questions are to help me decide whether to purchase (which I'm hoping to do!). Will MC distinguish between playing an album vs. playing a playlist, and only apply the Replay Gain information when playing a playlist? If so, that would be great! If not, is there an easy way for me to turn Replay Gain application on and off with Gizmo (I'd turn it on when playing a playlist, and turn it off when playing an album)? I've read the Wiki on turning Volume Leveling and Adaptive Volume on and off in DSP Studio, but not sure I completely understand it. Are those DSP Studio settings accessible from Gizmo?
Thanks for the help. I appreciate it!
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I'm still hoping to get some info on the two questions in my previous post before purchasing an Id and MC. I'm interested to know more about: (1) sharing a single Library between an Id and MC running on a Macbook, and (2) using ReplayGain tags while playing a playlist, but not using them while playing an album--can that be controlled from Gizmo? or is it done automatically? or something else? Thanks!
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Could you please consider the option to offer the software as a download and burn it ourselves on a USB stick ? European custom duties are high ... I have a fanless NUC and would like to convert to ID.
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Long time MC user. I am happy with my current setup other than I am unable to get gapless playback of my audio files. I am looking for the cheapest/easiest solution to rectify this. Needs to play hirez files as well as multi-channel. I would also like to continue to stream video from my computer as well.
PC to Oppo 103 via ethernet controlled with Gizmo.
Would the Id Pi Baked be the best option?
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Long time MC user. I am happy with my current setup other than I am unable to get gapless playback of my audio files. I am looking for the cheapest/easiest solution to rectify this. Needs to play hirez files as well as multi-channel. I would also like to continue to stream video from my computer as well.
PC to Oppo 103 via ethernet controlled with Gizmo.
Would the Id Pi Baked be the best option?
The Id would be able to play gaplessly from your PC. The Pi Baked isn't in production yet.
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The Id would be able to play gaplessly from your PC. The Pi Baked isn't in production yet.
Any estimate on when?
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What is the status of the Id Pi (Fully Baked) and the Id Stick? Are they available for order?
The description for the Id Pi (fully backed) says it can be used from DLNA playback, and that there is no storage. Can it be used with a Micro SD card, or USB thumb drive, or something for local storage?
Can the Id Stick be used without a monitor, and with USB or Micro SD Storage?
Will they both work with USB DACs?
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Split Audio Pops (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=102692.0)
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I recently received my Id, and was able to get it set up without too much difficulty. Primarily I use it to stream music from my Media Center server in the theater room. It is working great in that regard. I decided to see if I can use it to stream MKVs stored in my server's library but I do not get smooth playback at all. Audio continues uninterrupted, but the video stutters and freezes. I thought perhaps this was a network issue, so a copied an MKV to the local hard drive. I encounter the same problem. Am I running up against a limitation of the Id's CPU, or is it possible something is wrong in the configuration?
For reference, I can stream videos to my Mac as well as to any number of ipad's without issue.
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I don't know, but it sounds like the CPU is not fast enough for this type of video. It would be worth trying other types. MC can convert on the server side.
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I don't know, but it sounds like the CPU is not fast enough for this type of video. It would be worth trying other types. MC can convert on the server side.
Thanks Jim. I purchased Horace and Pete from Louis CK's site, and it streams just fine. The bitrate is 3,264 Mbps. My blu ray rips, which are full quality have a bitrate of between 20,000 and 40,000 Mbps. I think therein lies the problem.
In the Media Network options there's a section called "Client Options (when connected to a Library Server)". Under this there's an option for "Video Conversion." I'm assuming this is where I need to experiment with settings. If so, I assume I'd make the changes on the Id, and not the Media Server PC, correct? Is there a recommended video conversion to start with or should I just experiment?
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The conversion settings need to be made on the server, not on the Id.
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I'm planning to purchase the Id 202 to connect directly into my Marantz SA8004 DAC.
After reading a number posts I think I understand how the HW/SW will work but I would like to bounce off my understanding.
- I can connect the Id 202 via Tosslink optical to my Marantz SA8004.
- The Id can have hold my entire audio collection which currently comprises of about 400GB of FLAC and ALAC files. Most files are 16b/44.1khz but a few are 24b/96khz.
- The Id will run JRiver Media Server which I can control with my iPad via JRemote via 5ghz wifi.
- To initially set up the Id I'll need a monitor and keyboard, but once set up I can run the Id headless.
- When the Id powers up it will automatically start the media server.
- The SA8004 DAC can handle files up to 24b/192khz and should be playable at that level with the Id.
I currently run Media Center on my MacPro laptop and it feeds a NAD Digital Media Turner (C446) via 5ghz wifi. The C446 can only handle 16b files up to 48khz plus I'm having some dropout from the MacPro. I'm hoping that by having the Id directly connected to the SA8004 I'll not only be able to get higher sample rates and bit depth but also have zero dropouts.
Please let me know if the assumptions I've made above are correct.
Thank you.
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I'm planning to purchase the Id 202 to connect directly into my Marantz SA8004 DAC.
After reading a number posts I think I understand how the HW/SW will work but I would like to bounce off my understanding.
- I can connect the Id 202 via Tosslink optical to my Marantz SA8004.
- The Id can have hold my entire audio collection which currently comprises of about 400GB of FLAC and ALAC files. Most files are 16b/44.1khz but a few are 24b/96khz.
- The Id will run JRiver Media Server which I can control with my iPad via JRemote via 5ghz wifi.
- To initially set up the Id I'll need a monitor and keyboard, but once set up I can run the Id headless.
- When the Id powers up it will automatically start the media server.
- The SA8004 DAC can handle files up to 24b/192khz and should be playable at that level with the Id.
I currently run Media Center on my MacPro laptop and it feeds a NAD Digital Media Turner (C446) via 5ghz wifi. The C446 can only handle 16b files up to 48khz plus I'm having some dropout from the MacPro. I'm hoping that by having the Id directly connected to the SA8004 I'll not only be able to get higher sample rates and bit depth but also have zero dropouts.
Please let me know if the assumptions I've made above are correct.
Thank you.
That all sounds correct to me.
You will have to do a small amount if tuning in DSP studio to make sure the settings match your device for all of the possible sample rates your device supports (like if you have material >192k or at a low sample rate unsupported by the device).
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Is the Id stick (HDMI) available yet?
The info on the site has not been updated yet.
George
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Not yet.
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Not yet.
I am eagerly waiting for it to be available. I want to join the party <grin>.
Thanks.
George
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I did something silly this morning, as in I managed to format the disk in my ID. (Never mind how, it was stupid. I thought the ID was the little NUC I use as a video conferencing station... like I said, stupid...) I should have realized when I opened it and it didn't have a Crucial drive in it...
In any case, how can I restore the thingie to being an ID again? Can I download the image, or do I have to purchase a copy of it. The disk is pretty well scrubbed, as I loaded a version of Suse Linux over it. This is one of the 1st generation ones, running on a Celeron I think.
Yours,
-Paul
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I did something silly this morning, as in I managed to format the disk in my ID. (Never mind how, it was stupid. I thought the ID was the little NUC I use as a video conferencing station... like I said, stupid...) I should have realized when I opened it and it didn't have a Crucial drive in it...
In any case, how can I restore the thingie to being an ID again? Can I download the image, or do I have to purchase a copy of it. The disk is pretty well scrubbed, as I loaded a version of Suse Linux over it. This is one of the 1st generation ones, running on a Celeron I think.
Yours,
-Paul
If you follow the instructions at the top of the page here, you should be able to restore the Id firmware.
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=94636.0
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If you follow the instructions at the top of the page here, you should be able to restore the Id firmware.
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=94636.0
Will do, thanks. -Paul
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If you follow the instructions at the top of the page here, you should be able to restore the Id firmware.
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=94636.0
Rats - it is telling me that I need to reinstall the filesystem - is that possible from the repair image?
If not, what do I need to obtain a copy of the filesystem to image back on this ID?
Thanks
-Paul
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Rats - it is telling me that I need to reinstall the filesystem - is that possible from the repair image?
If not, what do I need to obtain a copy of the filesystem to image back on this ID?
Thanks
-Paul
If you blew away the partition table on the internal SSD you'll need to create a new one before you run the repair. The repair image will not do that.
Use a live linux boot of your choice or a 3rd party partitioner to create a MBR partition table on the internal SSD.
Make the first partition 16 gigs type linux
Make the second partition 4 gigs and the type should be swap
Make the third partition the rest of the disk, type linux
No need to format them.
The repair stick will do the rest.
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If you blew away the partition table on the internal SSD you'll need to create a new one before you run the repair. The repair image will not do that.
Use a live linux boot of your choice or a 3rd party partitioner to create a MBR partition table on the internal SSD.
Make the first partition 16 gigs type linux
Make the second partition 4 gigs and the type should be swap
Make the third partition the rest of the disk, type linux
No need to format them.
The repair stick will do the rest.
Ah- that's the bit I was missing! Thanks Bob. -Paul
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i like to run my jriver ID using the smart list of audio all and scrolling to find my next song. It would be awesome if you could add and option to do a "play next" option while in the playlist folder for all songs.
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Is there a squeeze lite menu option on the Id MC 20 menu? If so, what is the path?
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Where can I find information about the latest video capabilities of the Id?
Can it support DVD and/or Blu-ray folder structures (BDMV or VIDEO_TS)?
If not, can it play MKV files? Can I browse the list of chapters in an MKV file?
Can remote playback, including MKV chapter selection, be controlled from a Windows PC or an iPad?
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Is there a better place to get an answer to my questions? I'd like to buy an Id right away, but was hoping to get an answer to these questions first.
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Here's the scenario:
> Ripped a DVD with JRiver MC ver21 on my Windows server
> Attempted to playback the video on the ID and received a playback error message.
> The DVD plays fine on the Windows server in MC
I have the video conversion setting on "original".
I have the latest update for ID. Thought this would be pretty straight forward at this stage. Any idea or hints on settings or other things I might try to get video playback working?
TIA,
Mike
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Here's the scenario:
> Ripped a DVD with JRiver MC ver21 on my Windows server
> Attempted to playback the video on the ID and received a playback error message.
> The DVD plays fine on the Windows server in MC
I have the video conversion setting on "original".
I have the latest update for ID. Thought this would be pretty straight forward at this stage. Any idea or hints on settings or other things I might try to get video playback working?
TIA,
Mike
The video playback on the Id isn't as sophisticated as in MC windows yet.
What format is the material (iso, mkv, etc)?
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The video playback on the Id isn't as sophisticated as in MC windows yet.
What format is the material (iso, mkv, etc)?
JRiver ripped the DVD as a Video_TS folder. This folder contains all the DVD info including a .VOB file which I believe is the MPEG program stream format.
This is how JRiver ripped it based on the default settings in MC21. Do I need to do further conversion to something the ID understands or can is there a setting in JRiver (on the server or client ID) that will allow playback?
Is any of this made easier in MC22?
Basically, I think if JRiver rips (there could be a format setting for example that allows playback given current ID limitations) something it should be easily playable on the the ID. Of course audio is no issue.
-Mike
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Did you rip on Windows?
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Did you rip on Windows?
yes
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Anyone have any thoughts on this?
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Anyone have any thoughts on this?
I don't think you can push the iso unconverted since MC doesn't have DVD structure reading functionality in linux yet.
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I don't think you can push the iso unconverted since MC doesn't have DVD structure reading functionality in linux yet.
Thanks Bob. Is there a setting on the server or ID side that I can set to convert? Or do I need to convert the file outside of JRiver? What format do you suggest I use?
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Thanks Bob. Is there a setting on the server or ID side that I can set to convert? Or do I need to convert the file outside of JRiver? What format do you suggest I use?
I'm not a huge user of video but I would convert it to mkv on the server side.
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Will the id load the Windows sub driver Mcintosh has for its C47 premamp USB input . If I cannot get Chromeaudio to work, I am thinking of the iD.
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Hi! I´m very interested in the Id, already been a JRiver user since ver. 17 I think, I have a full license on my laptop. The way I plan to use it as follow:
1. My full library of about 1Tb would be placed on the Id, which includes a lot of flacs, and alac files and some few DSD files, most of the library has been riped from CD´s, there are some 96/24 and higher res downloads. This would be connected via USB to a Bifrost Multibit DAC.
2. The Id would be connected via ethernet to a router, the laptop via wi-fi the laptop only used to add either rips or downloaded music to the Id. There is no internet where the Id would reside (is there something as a ludite mode..? =P ).
3. In the future maybe I could try the Id Pi to provide music files to another DAC (for a headphone amp).
4. In the future I might be interested in using the hdmi to play videos or movies, but at present one of the features I like about the product is that a display is not needed.
5. I already have JRemote to control the laptop, so that would be used to control the Id.
6. For upgrades I guess I would have to take the Id to the city in order to access the internet... (it would be best If the upgrades can be done by an USB)
Now for the questions that still remain:
Looking to the future, will the current Id 202 be enough for say... 2 years? Would performance (specially with the dsd files) increase if I add say 8 GB of ram? Maybe at some point Id can play files from the ram?
I already read the whole forum, it seems that the current 202 is able to do what I want, only the specifics like compatibility with my DAC are unknowns to me. It seems that most of the issues are network related and making a lot of different devices interact; I wonder If the plugin-unpluging the Id from one network to another will eventually make me have issues with it, I don´t want sad days with the little thing dead and a library entombed in it... Anyways I appreciate any feedback you can provide.
best regards,
Antonio Rivas
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Hi! I´m very interested in the Id, already been a JRiver user since ver. 17 I think, I have a full license on my laptop. The way I plan to use it as follow:
1. My full library of about 1Tb would be placed on the Id, which includes a lot of flacs, and alac files and some few DSD files, most of the library has been riped from CD´s, there are some 96/24 and higher res downloads. This would be connected via USB to a Bifrost Multibit DAC.
2. The Id would be connected via ethernet to a router, the laptop via wi-fi the laptop only used to add either rips or downloaded music to the Id. There is no internet where the Id would reside (is there something as a ludite mode..? =P ).
3. In the future maybe I could try the Id Pi to provide music files to another DAC (for a headphone amp).
4. In the future I might be interested in using the hdmi to play videos or movies, but at present one of the features I like about the product is that a display is not needed.
5. I already have JRemote to control the laptop, so that would be used to control the Id.
6. For upgrades I guess I would have to take the Id to the city in order to access the internet... (it would be best If the upgrades can be done by an USB)
Now for the questions that still remain:
Looking to the future, will the current Id 202 be enough for say... 2 years? Would performance (specially with the dsd files) increase if I add say 8 GB of ram? Maybe at some point Id can play files from the ram?
I already read the whole forum, it seems that the current 202 is able to do what I want, only the specifics like compatibility with my DAC are unknowns to me. It seems that most of the issues are network related and making a lot of different devices interact; I wonder If the plugin-unpluging the Id from one network to another will eventually make me have issues with it, I don´t want sad days with the little thing dead and a library entombed in it... Anyways I appreciate any feedback you can provide.
best regards,
Antonio Rivas
You are using it essentially how I use it. Store the files on it, push new ones via samba, etc. Control with JRemote/Gizmo.
I don't do any DSD files. It's possible there isn't enough power for multichannel DSD files to be downsampled and mixed for your DAC.
If your DAC works properly with generic linux it will work with the Id. All of the DAC's I have tried do.
I don't see a problem with plugging/unplugging it as long as you power it down gracefully (a quick touch on the power button or shutdown via a keyboard or remote desktop connection).
The internet isn't required and there are USB images for firmware repair. The MC updates however generally get onto the internet quite a long time before they hit the firmware repair image.
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Thanks Bob for the useful reply, will get my Id 202 from you at the end of month. I have been wondering how future proof will it be and was contemplating getting an Intel nuc with i3 processor and bit more of ram, buying the Id USB from JRiver, but it seems that Id won't get multi threads or other fancy stuf, I appreciate reliability and the access point price (Mexican peso is really going down), so will forget about other stuff for a while, gain experience and just enjoy playing music hopefully forgetting about the device. Have a nice weekend!
Best regards,
Antonio Rivas
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You are using it essentially how I use it. Store the files on it, push new ones via samba, etc. Control with JRemote/Gizmo.
I don't do any DSD files. It's possible there isn't enough power for multichannel DSD files to be downsampled and mixed for your DAC.
Hi,
I'm also looking to buy the SSD ID (using a Macbook Pro right now) and am very frustrated that there's no specs on the jriver page ( http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id ) regarding what it can and cannot do! After an hour of digging through the forums I have some info but much of it is very old and probably not applicable anymore. So, here's what the JRiver folks should be able to let me know for the hardware/software they are selling:
When acting as a player hooked to a home-theater receiver via HDMI and getting files from a Drobo 5N on a 1GB ethernet:
1) Can it drive 7.1 PCM from SACD .ISO files and DSF files?
2) Can it do this from stereo/5.1 with the mixer settings?
3) Can it play 1080p video? 3D?
When acting as a server for JRemote on an iPad Pro 9.7":
1) Can it play multi-channel FLAC, SACD, DSF mixing down to stereo?
2) Can it play 1080p video?
The NUC 5CPYH ID is almost 2 years old now. Are there plans for one with using a new / more powerful (but still fanless) model? I see a ton of them here: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/products-overview.html
Thanks,
David
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Thanks Bob for the useful reply, will get my Id 202 from you at the end of month. I have been wondering how future proof will it be and was contemplating getting an Intel nuc with i3 processor and bit more of ram, buying the Id USB from JRiver, but it seems that Id won't get multi threads or other fancy stuf, I appreciate reliability and the access point price (Mexican peso is really going down), so will forget about other stuff for a while, gain experience and just enjoy playing music hopefully forgetting about the device. Have a nice weekend!
Best regards,
Antonio Rivas
Antonio, the Id USB stick will put the same software onto your own NUC if you decide to go that route. The only issue may be video support on really new NUC's. We haven't been able to test them all..
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Can someone from JRiver please respond? I want to give you guy my money but need these questions answered first :)
David
Hi,
I'm also looking to buy the SSD ID (using a Macbook Pro right now) and am very frustrated that there's no specs on the jriver page ( http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id ) regarding what it can and cannot do! After an hour of digging through the forums I have some info but much of it is very old and probably not applicable anymore. So, here's what the JRiver folks should be able to let me know for the hardware/software they are selling:
When acting as a player hooked to a home-theater receiver via HDMI and getting files from a Drobo 5N on a 1GB ethernet:
1) Can it drive 7.1 PCM from SACD .ISO files and DSF files?
2) Can it do this from stereo/5.1 with the mixer settings?
3) Can it play 1080p video? 3D?
When acting as a server for JRemote on an iPad Pro 9.7":
1) Can it play multi-channel FLAC, SACD, DSF mixing down to stereo?
2) Can it play 1080p video?
The NUC 5CPYH ID is almost 2 years old now. Are there plans for one with using a new / more powerful (but still fanless) model? I see a ton of them here: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/products-overview.html
Thanks,
David
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There is a 30 day return on your purchase.
Your audio needs will probably be met.
Video is only basic because of the processor. Certainly no 3D, for example.
We just switched to the 5CPYH a few months ago. I don't think it's two years old.
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Thanks Jim.
There is a 30 day return on your purchase.
Your audio needs will probably be met.
Video is only basic because of the processor. Certainly no 3D, for example.
We just switched to the 5CPYH a few months ago. I don't think it's two years old.
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Does the Id software have convolution capability? If so, as a practical matter would the Id classic handle 4 streams at 44.1 kHz with 65536 long filters?
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There is a 30 day return on your purchase.
Your audio needs will probably be met.
Video is only basic because of the processor. Certainly no 3D, for example.
We just switched to the 5CPYH a few months ago. I don't think it's two years old.
Is there any guidance on when a JRiver pre-built ID will be available that can play 1080p 3D DTS-MAHD .m2ts files via HDMI ?
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Is there any guidance on when a JRiver pre-built ID will be available that can play 1080p 3D DTS-MAHD .m2ts files via HDMI ?
3D video playback is an exclusive feature to MC for Windows for the time being, and unlikely to arrive on the Linux version as used by the Id anytime soon. Sorry.
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3D video playback is an exclusive feature to MC for Windows for the time being, and unlikely to arrive on the Linux version as used by the Id anytime soon. Sorry.
Ah, ok. Didn't realize that about Linux. So my question then is:
Is there any guidance on when a JRiver pre-built ID will be available that can play 1080p MPCM .m2ts files via HDMI ?
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Video rendering quality of Id. I am considering to have the JRiver id a player for my music/video in the living room. I have my questions about the video rendering quality of the NUC. I have a lot of music videos (mostly classical music) So far I used the OPPO 105 as player/renderer. Audio is not an issue, as I use a dedicated USB DAC. My concern is the video quality of the NUC/id. For instance I notice a considerable difference in video quality between my OPPO 105 and VLC on a Apple TV. How would you judge the video quality. Is the hardware irrelevant as JRiver is the renderer?
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Hello
My intentions is stil to buy an Id but I would like clarification on a few points.
My desired setup is as follows:
IPad running JRemote controlling Windows 10 PC with MC currently serving Denon DAC through USB. I love the sound.
I want to get away from having to turn on my computer all the time. I think this is the purpose of Id, but reading through posts sometimes confuses me.
1. Once setup is done, will Id turn on/run without KVM?
2. Does MC require to be installed on the Id? If not, how can JRemote control Id without MC being on Id? Or can JRemote control Id without MC running on Id?
3. If MC runs on Id, will JRemote use Id version playlists etc, or still use PC based playlists.
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1. The Id's use about 8 watts, so they can be left on 24 hours a day.
2. MC is included with the Id.
3. JRemote will use the Id library. You'll see whatever is in it.
The Id is a replacement for your current PC, as far as MC is concerned.
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Hi,
I am interested in the Id for remote playback of both Audio and Video in my bedroom.
I have all of my media files sitting on a NAS and tagged using some custom database fields for easy grouping (most of the video that I would want to watch is in .MP4 format)
I also have a server in my studio which has a few Theatre view configurations that allow easy navigation through my video libraries.
Instead of having a laptop in the bedroom attached to my TV which runs Windows, MC connected to either the Studio library server (or NAS directly) and allows navigation via Theatre View with a IR remote I would like to be able to use the Id connected to the TV via HDMI which plays Audio & Video from the media sources (Studio Server via Library server or DLNA or NAS via DLNA).
I really like using MC's Theatre view as its navigation is customisable as opposed to the TV's media player for example.
Can you please let me know if the current (or future) versions of the Id will be able to use Theatre View on a TV to navigate & play back video files as described above?
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Hi,
I am interested in the Id for remote playback of both Audio and Video in my bedroom.
I have all of my media files sitting on a NAS and tagged using some custom database fields for easy grouping (most of the video that I would want to watch is in .MP4 format)
I also have a server in my studio which has a few Theatre view configurations that allow easy navigation through my video libraries.
Instead of having a laptop in the bedroom attached to my TV which runs Windows, MC connected to either the Studio library server (or NAS directly) and allows navigation via Theatre View with a IR remote I would like to be able to use the Id connected to the TV via HDMI which plays Audio & Video from the media sources (Studio Server via Library server or DLNA or NAS via DLNA).
I really like using MC's Theatre view as its navigation is customisable as opposed to the TV's media player for example.
Can you please let me know if the current (or future) versions of the Id will be able to use Theatre View on a TV to navigate & play back video files as described above?
Since linux MC doesn't currently have theater view, neither does the Id. It is in development however. When that will be available is not currently known.
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1. The Id's use about 8 watts, so they can be left on 24 hours a day.
2. MC is included with the Id.
3. JRemote will use the Id library. You'll see whatever is in it.
The Id is a replacement for your current PC, as far as MC is concerned.
Thanks for that. I now own an Id w 2TB HDD. Installed, running, and enjoying hi res music. I loaded files to the Id by drag and drop from Windows Explorer, into a subfolder called Internal Storage. However I can't access a folder called External Storage. Is this the HDD? If so, how do I access this extra 2 TB?
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In the text menu, you need to tell the Id that there is a USB drive or network drive you want to add. That's what External means. A drive outside the Id.
The drive that came with the Id is Internal.
Thanks for letting us know how you're doing.
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In the text menu, you need to tell the Id that there is a USB drive or network drive you want to add. That's what External means. A drive outside the Id.
The drive that came with the Id is Internal.
Thanks for letting us know how you're doing.
Is that mounting? If so, I did that, successfully, adding my PC's Music drive as a share.
Should I not be able to read that drive from Windows Explorer?
Speaking of which (sorry I had to), does a mounted drive sync files with the Id or copy files to it? If I add music to my PC's music folder, will this sync to the Id?
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Is that mounting? If so, I did that, successfully, adding my PC's Music drive as a share.
Should I not be able to read that drive from Windows Explorer?
Speaking of which (sorry I had to), does a mounted drive sync files with the Id or copy files to it? If I add music to my PC's music folder, will this sync to the Id?
External drives on the Id are ones that are connected to the USB port on the Id, not remote mounted network shares.
If you add files to the PC's music drive that's the share, they will show up on the Id eventually if you have auto-import tuned on in MC for that share. It's run every 2 hours. (because of limitations of windows shares on linux we can't get events when the files are added so we fall back on a periodic media scan).
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External drives on the Id are ones that are connected to the USB port on the Id, not remote mounted network shares.
If you add files to the PC's music drive that's the share, they will show up on the Id eventually if you have auto-import tuned on in MC for that share. It's run every 2 hours. (because of limitations of windows shares on linux we can't get events when the files are added so we fall back on a periodic media scan).
Ok thanks again. The good news is that I got it to work. The other news is that I misinterpreted what mounting does. I was expecting (smokey me) that a mounted drive would somehow sync my PC to the Id, making my files available to play on the Id offline (when PC is off). I gues I'll be looking for a NAS.
Meantime, can I dismount a share?
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Ok thanks again. The good news is that I got it to work. The other news is that I misinterpreted what mounting does. I was expecting (smokey me) that a mounted drive would somehow sync my PC to the Id, making my files available to play on the Id offline (when PC is off). I gues I'll be looking for a NAS.
Meantime, can I dismount a share?
Yes, just remove it through the diskmenu.
You could use your MC PC to setup the Id's internal drive's share as a handheld device then sync to it (if there is enough space on your Id for all of your media files).
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Yes, just remove it through the diskmenu.
You could use your MC PC to setup the Id's internal drive's share as a handheld device then sync to it (if there is enough space on your Id for all of your media files).
Hmmm...Need to read up on how to do this (which is half the fun of this experience). I'll circle back. Thanks for your help.
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I'd love to jump in this thread, if I may. Planning my Id purchase, and will connect via network to my QNAP NAS. Windows had no fun connecting - Credential Manager had to be invoked - but it seems this way my server can physically stay where it is, a floor away, and the Id can live on top of my Adcom preamp in the den.
I remember an MC version or two ago, there were some tasks that could not be performed on a client, only at the server. Are those resolved, so that I can hop on my Windows PC in the study, and create/modify views, etc. (can't remember what the client limitations were)? Anticipating things that will be no fun via iPad interface and will be much faster/smoother with a keyboard/mouse...
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Does the GUI interface allow full functionality, such as creating/managing playlists? If I run a client on a Win10 desktop with Id as the server, will I be able to create/manage playlists? I remember being told there were some tasks that can only be performed on the server (earlier version of MC).
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The GUI interface on the Id uses the Linux version of MC so it has the same features as the Mac version and most features of the Windows version, but no television or Theater View. You can manage playlists there.
If you're using the Id as a server, you have the capabilities of MC's servers. The wiki has a topic on Servers.
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Thanks, but as you can imagine: managing playlists is a task far more friendly with mouse/keyboard than with touchscreen manipulation. That was part 2 of my post: If I run a client on a Win10 desktop with Id as the server, will I be able to create/manage playlists from the client, and have the server respond accordingly?
Right now, my server *IS* the Win10 desktop. Considering purchasing the Id and configuring it as the server, and the Win10 box transitions to a client.
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Thanks, but as you can imagine: managing playlists is a task far more friendly with mouse/keyboard than with touchscreen manipulation. That was part 2 of my post: If I run a client on a Win10 desktop with Id as the server, will I be able to create/manage playlists from the client, and have the server respond accordingly?
Right now, my server *IS* the Win10 desktop. Considering purchasing the Id and configuring it as the server, and the Win10 box transitions to a client.
You might consider using the Id as a server and as the player, and controlling it with Panel through any browser on any device, or with any of MC's Remotes:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Remotes
That way, you can turn off the Windows machine if you're not using it for something else. A Windows machine will use around 40 or 50 watts and the Id is around 10 watts.
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What's the best connector option between my 25 year old Adcom Preamp/Tuner, which has RCA jacks, and the Id?
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You could use an adaptor or cable with 1/8 stereo on one end and RCA on the other. Here's an example:
https://www.amazon.com/HDE-3-5mm-Stereo-Adapter-Speaker/dp/B0098PRC0Y/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1476656240&sr=8-8&keywords=adaptor+from+1%2F8+stereo+to+rca
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OK, great, that's how I was connecting my laptop. Just wondered if the quality was better with some other type of connection available to me.
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What other choices do you have?
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None that I'm aware of, that's why I asked... :P
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Another choice would be an external DAC connected via USB. If you care enough to own Adcom equipment, you *might* be the kind of person that would appreciate a dedicated DAC. Or not. If it sounds fine to you and you're not questing for better sound, the built in motherboard sound card might be fine.
Brian.
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Well, I'm glad you brought that up.
I'm somewhat interested in a different DAC than what's on board the Adcom GTP-500II preamp/tuner. However, I occasionally like to listen to FM radio (as does the rest of my family). :o
While I've used "Connected Media" in MC many many times, it's a total PITA to use, as opposed to just having a darn tuner. And, of course, it's not even an option in JRemote/Gizmo/Panel, so there goes that. I've got my eye on a TEAC DAC, but if anyone has any idea what to tell my fam about FM, lemme know.
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Has anyone successfully added a "Connected Media" stream to a Car Radio preset?
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1. Play the stream first by using File > Open URL.
2. Then, in Playing Now, right click and send it to a playlist.
3. Press and hold a Car Radio button and choose to save the playlist.
Edit -- you can skip #2.
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Hi all.
I've been using MC (currently 21) on a MacBook Pro for a long time and wanted a dedicated box I could leave on and connected to my home theater and also to stream to JRemote.
I just got an Id and was trying to set it up. Hooked it up to a monitor, keyboard, mouse, ethernet. However, I can't figure out how to mount my media share located on my Drobo 5N NAS. I tried many variations of //hostname (and ip address)/share and read many forum threads but can't get anything to work. On my Mac, it mounts using afp but I know the Drobo also supports smb. Surprisingly, I can't find any reference to anyone using a Drobo in the forums. I was going to use my portable USB backup drive as a test, but it's formatted as EXFAT. This is the best format for large drives shared between Mac and Windows, but apparently isn't supported by the Linux on the Id.
I'm reasonable familiar with Mac, Windows, and Linux, but not sure what to do now since I don't do any Linux admin work.
Thanks,
David
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As a first step and to make sure it's working and on the network, try playing to it as a DLNA Renderer.
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id_Install_Guide
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As a first step and to make sure it's working and on the network, try playing to it as a DLNA Renderer.
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id_Install_Guide
That works fine. JRemote on iPad plays from MC21 (getting files from Drobo share mounted on MacBook) on MacBook to device ID and audio comes out headphone jack on the front.
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So the problem may just be mounting a drive on the Id. I think you're using the text menu of the Id to do this. You could try a USB drive of any kind as a test.
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So the problem may just be mounting a drive on the Id. I think you're using the text menu of the Id to do this. You could try a USB drive of any kind as a test.
Yes - I agree. I just need to format a USB drive so that I can write it on the Mac and read on the ID. The ID just reads NTFS, ext3, and ext4?
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Yes - I agree. I just need to format a USB drive so that I can write it on the Mac and read on the ID. The ID just reads NTFS, ext3, and ext4?
I formatted a USB drive as NTFS and put some music on it and it mounted and played fine on the ID. Back to issue with network share mounting.
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When you go through the questions to mount a a network drive on the Id, it asks you whether the drive/folder is on a PC. I found that some public shared folders on a linux based NAS could not be mounted when I asked "no". When I answered "yes" (so that Samba/CIFS networking would be used, I think), mounting was successful.
Both NFS and Samba/CIFS network sharing were enabled on the NAS.
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When you go through the questions to mount a a network drive on the Id, it asks you whether the drive/folder is on a PC. I found that some public shared folders on a linux based NAS could not be mounted when I asked "no". When I answered "yes" (so that Samba/CIFS networking would be used, I think), mounting was successful.
Thanks. I tried a few things, including saying it was Windows and creating a new user account on the Drobo and have some progress. I got it to mount. I entered //192.168.1.15/media, local dir drobo and didn't get the failure message and see this if I select display config:
# Share Path Directory on the Id Options
1 //192.168.1.15/media /mnt/drobo -orw,nounix,credentials=/home/media/547d14e370edfd857dfdcede846da5c0
And, in MC running on the ID, I selected Add Folder to Library and was able to select /mnt/drobo.
The (huge) problem is that it shows the directory as empty when there's a couple of Terabytes of stuff in there.
Now what?
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The (huge) problem is that it shows the directory as empty when there's a couple of Terabytes of stuff in there.
Now what?
After you successfully mounted the drive, did you reboot the Id? If not, try rebooting and then adding the folder to the library.
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After you successfully mounted the drive, did you reboot the Id? If not, try rebooting and then adding the folder to the library.
That did it. I can see import files! While I'm here, can someone point me to the instructions to copy my library file over from my Mac?
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That did it. I can see import files! While I'm here, can someone point me to the instructions to copy my library file over from my Mac?
NOOOO!!! It's doing it again.
I had to replace a dead router which changed the IP address of my Drobo. I thought - No Problem - and first removed the mount for the old address - rebooted the ID - and then added with the exact same steps but just the new IP address. And I just keep getting FAILURE :(
Tried various things including some reboots but no change. Is there a way to open a shell on the ID so I can try some Linux commands and try and see what's wrong?
Thanks,
David
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NOOOO!!! It's doing it again.
I had to replace a dead router which changed the IP address of my Drobo. I thought - No Problem - and first removed the mount for the old address - rebooted the ID - and then added with the exact same steps but just the new IP address. And I just keep getting FAILURE :(
Tried various things including some reboots but no change. Is there a way to open a shell on the ID so I can try some Linux commands and try and see what's wrong?
Thanks,
David
Not sure what's going on here. There shouldn't be an issue with deleting and re-adding the share.
Just as a test, try changing the name of the share.
Also, you might consider giving your server boxes fixed ip address leases in your router (same thing goes for renderers). I do that at home to cut down on the complexity of the configuration.
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Not sure what's going on here. There shouldn't be an issue with deleting and re-adding the share.
Just as a test, try changing the name of the share.
Nope - tried multiple shares and multiple mount points and multiple id/passwords. All work fine with my Mac and MC21 running on it - and briefly worked on the ID a few days ago.
Also, you might consider giving your server boxes fixed ip address leases in your router (same thing goes for renderers). I do that at home to cut down on the complexity of the configuration.
I do this. I reserve the IP address based on MAC address for clients I need to connect to. However, the new router put everything in a different range. The new address is now constant.
I still haven't gotten an answer about shell access or other debugging tools. It's going to be a huge pain if I have to return this and go with a Mac Mini solution but, at least, I know that will work. The MC ID (which I noticed is still running MC 20.x!) doesn't appear to work correctly.
I'll give it a couple of days for someone at JRiver to help fix this before I ask for my money back. This was supposed to be a turnkey install and I'm not going to turn it into a major project trying to get this thing to work right.
David
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We're having some difficulty connecting to Windows shares so we're looking into this issue. Unfortunately, shell access isn't available. We will have an answer soon.
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We're having some difficulty connecting to Windows shares so we're looking into this issue. Unfortunately, shell access isn't available. We will have an answer soon.
Ok. From the forums, I see this has been in place for over a year and I'd guess you're just calling CIFS VFS. So, I'd think this would be pretty straight-forward to debug and fix.
Related question: what would be the difference between the NUC ID and just buying a raw NUC and putting Linux and MC-Linux on it?
David
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If you're a Linux guru, you can make something similar to an Id. You would
Install
Configure
License
Update as needed
If you use an Id, we do most of the work for you. It's similar to the difference between buying a computer with and without an OS.
And you get:
Remote configuration via Panel
Engen
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If you're a Linux guru, you can make something similar to an Id.
If you use an Id, we do most of the work for you. It's similar to the difference between buying a computer with and without an OS.
Well, I didn't want to wait for possible fixes - and it looked like the ID didn't have the horsepower for multi-channel DSD - so I returned it and bought a used Mac Mini. Much better and can do so much more for not much more money. Got JRemote all set for local playback or on my iPhone or iPad. Yay!
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If you're in GUI mode, do NOT change your view to "Audio only".
Disables mouse and keyboard (USB) in the MC pane completely, and no Alt-button to initiate menus. Rebooted, same behavior. Went to 77 to reset to default.
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Alright, I was able to configure, best of my ability, the Id Classic, then I powered it down. Restarted in it's future home, headless, connected via 3.5" jack to tuner/preamp. Thanks to everyone for clarifying the /mnt folder!
The setup is: network ethernet -> switch -> ethernet to NAS, and ethernet to Id. I can see the NAS on my network (can login to control panel via Win10 desktop), but cannot locate the Id (trying to identify via mac address on my network), using the "Settings for Id-xxxxxxxxxxxx" identifier. I thought that perhaps I can't see it because it's on the other side of a dumb switch, but then I wouldn't be able to access the NAS either, since it's on the same switch. Could it be because I attached the NAS as an "External Media" drive and said "N" to the server being a Windows File System? I don't think that's the issue.
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Alright, I was able to configure, best of my ability, the Id Classic, then I powered it down. Restarted in it's future home, headless, connected via 3.5" jack to tuner/preamp. Thanks to everyone for clarifying the /mnt folder!
The setup is: network ethernet -> switch -> ethernet to NAS, and ethernet to Id. I can see the NAS on my network (can login to control panel via Win10 desktop), but cannot locate the Id (trying to identify via mac address on my network), using the "Settings for Id-xxxxxxxxxxxx" identifier. I thought that perhaps I can't see it because it's on the other side of a dumb switch, but then I wouldn't be able to access the NAS either, since it's on the same switch. Could it be because I attached the NAS as an "External Media" drive and said "N" to the server being a Windows File System? I don't think that's the issue.
The attachment of the NAS doesn't have anything to do with you not seeing the Id.
I assume you are trying to see the Id as a renderer from the PC? Can you temporarily attache a monitor and keyboard to it to find out it's IP address?
Also, you switch is a dumb switch, right? It doesn't have any SSDP filtering?
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I now use JRiver as server AND player on old crappy windows machine, which is time to dump.
All my music, photo and video is on Synology NAS. As a player I use it only for music.
I wonder if I can use Id (mini-PC) as a player using USB with Nuprime IDA-8, as they do not have linux-specific drivers. I play a lot of high-res music (192/24 and DSD up to 256).
The rest of my playback devices are all using DLNA.
I also wonder if MS wireless keyboard an mouse will work, I have tiny usb stick for those.
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The keyboard will work. The DAC should also work. The manufacturer would know more about whether it works at all on Linux.
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The keyboard will work. The DAC should also work. The manufacturer would know more about whether it works at all on Linux.
Thank you, I will send a request to manufacturer.
Up: They punted me back (((.
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Will the id load the Windows sub driver Mcintosh has for its C47 premamp USB input . If I cannot get Chromeaudio to work, I am thinking of the iD.
Great day to all of you !
I'm new to this forum - and very interested into becomming an MC user over my old WMC7.
Now i've just found this question, as quoted above and initally launched by JMSchnur, as i'm not sure it was answered i'm curious if the Id is compatible with new McIntosh USB gear like the C47 and D150 ?
Thanks !
Steven.
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I did get chrome audio to work with jriver and the Macintosh preamp
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not sure if this is the right thread.... couple questions before I buy the Id.... i'll want to use the Id as a server via Ethernet (DLNA) to my Oppo and hopefully controlled by my Android... how come you don't offer a 1TB or more SSD ? does the Id supposed offer better sound quality over a regular computer ? no issues using a Windows computer with Linux Id ?
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No problems using the Id as a server and a Windows machine as a client.
The Id 201 has a 1 TB spinning drive. 1TB SSD's are still expensive.
https://jriver.com/Id/
Sound would not change. A computer is a computer. The Id is a computer.
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Sound would not change. A computer is a computer. The Id is a computer.
ha... makes sense... I've read several articles/descriptions saying that a minimalist designed "computer" dedicated to music was better ...
if I was going to store thousands of dollars worth of music, spending a couple hundred dollars on a more reliable hard drive makes sense to me... also less noise...
so why are people wanting a unit like the ID if they already have a computer ?
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so why are people wanting a unit like the ID if they already have a computer ?
Its small and hides away easily, uses little power even when kept running 24/7, comes with everything setup to plug in and enjoy music.
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Hi
I wonder if someone could give me a prod in the right direction, I have today changed from using the front panel 3.5mm jack to trying to use the optical output.
If I select the iec 958 output, it does indeed play fine, however I cannot adjust the volume using JRemote or panel...Is this a fools errand or am I just being a numpty.
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Welcome to the forum. Please try setting MC to Internal volume in the audio options.
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Welcome to the forum. Please try setting MC to Internal volume in the audio options.
That has done it Jim, thank you. I had hesitated doing this earlier as I thought I had read somewhere else on the forum that setting this to internal breaks “gapless” playback, or am I confusing this with something else?
So much to learn ...
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Hello forum - I am a JRiver user, music only.
The Id is intriguing, and plan to buy. Here is the proposed configuration:
1) To be installed in our home theater - USB out to Oppo 205; HDMI out to Samsung TV. I would like to see artwork etc on the main screen.
2) All music on Synology NAS, which is set up as a DLNA server.
3) plan to control using JRemote
-- Can the Id access streaming services or internet radio?
-- Once set-up, I can run the Id by itself, no need for MC running elsewhere, correct?
Many thanks -
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Hello forum - I am a JRiver user, music only.
The Id is intriguing, and plan to buy. Here is the proposed configuration:
1) To be installed in our home theater - USB out to Oppo 205; HDMI out to Samsung TV. I would like to see artwork etc on the main screen.
2) All music on Synology NAS, which is set up as a DLNA server.
3) plan to control using JRemote
-- Can the Id access streaming services or internet radio?
-- Once set-up, I can run the Id by itself, no need for MC running elsewhere, correct?
Many thanks -
Similar setup to myself, however I ditched using the Synology as the Media server choosing instead to use it as a straight “file server” using MC on the Id as both the (DLNA) Server and renderer
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Similar setup to myself, however I ditched using the Synology as the Media server choosing instead to use it as a straight “file server” using MC on the Id as both the (DLNA) Server and renderer
Thanks GaryB - that makes sense (MC pulls and renders the files directly from the Synology - I prefer this approach as well).
So, when you plug the Id HDMI out into the TV, you get the normal JRiver visual interface (display mode, etc.)? Audio is also sent up via HDMI? In that case I could send it back down to the OPPO via ARC on HDMI, which works well for normal TV, streaming, etc. Are there any concerns using ARC/HDMI vs USB audio out to OPPO? Using existing ARC would simplify cabling somewhat.
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I currently have a NuPrime IDA16 Stereo amplifier which takes DSD Over PCM standard 1.0 and has USB Sampling Rates of: 44.1KHz, 48KHz, 88.2KHz, 96KHz, 176.4KHz, 192KHz, 352.8KHz, 384KHz and DSD 2.8MHz, 5.6MHz, 11.2MHz.
I currently use a network bridge to deliver DSD files to the amplifier and I have used a Mac running Audirvana in the past.
My music library contains a large volume of high resolution (e.g. 7.5 minute track, 1.28 Gigabyte) DSD files. These are stored on a Synology NAS dedicated to music.
The network bridge has an external, high quality, low noise power supply and delivers data to the Amp with no noise (well almost no noise) resulting in a pure sound which I value highly.
Unfortunately, the software for the network bridge is unstable and there have, for about two years now, been a range of problems that are now driving me to look at alternatives.
I’m attracted to the Id but have a few questions as my IT background does not extend to fully understanding DNLA or UPnP, though it has left me allergic to Microsoft product.
What I propose is to use the Id to:
1. Run the JRiver media centre dedicated to music and to manage that through the IOS App.
2. Have the JR Media Centre access the files on the Synology NAS using WiFi via an ASUS AC87 Access Point.
3. Deliver the data from the JR Media Centre to the Amp via a USB cable.
4. Use a high quality low noise power supply, if necessary, for the NUC to maintain the near noise free environment.
My questions are:
1. Is this a sensible set up?
2. Is it correct that I cannot have the Id access the files on the Synology NAS as a shared network drive but rather that I have to serve them from the NAS by enabling its DLNA server.
3. Will the Id wifi be up to the task of getting the files from the NAS? (By my arithmetic if my most dense dsd track has a file size of 1.28 Gigabytes and it plays for 7.5 minutes then the system will need to be able to handle a transfer of about 3 megabytes per second or very roughly 200 megabits per second)
4. Is there anything in the NUC that will introduce or distort the digital stream like fan or SSD EMI or some switching on the motherboard and related components?
I hope my questions are not too dumb to justify a reply!
Owl
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It's not possible to make an absolute statement about whether it will be satisfactory.
In your list of objectives, 1, 2, & 3 will work. 4 is a hardware issue, and may not be necessary.
The Id we offer is a lower powered machine, both wattage and CPU. It can handle most audio, but DSD might or might not work.
I'm sorry I can't be more specific. The Id is returnable for 30 days.
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Just took delivery of Id and want to connect it to Benchmark DAC. Could you recommend best output/input combination and advise correct description/name of the connecting cables I'll need. thanks.
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Doesn't it have a USB connection?
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yes - but looks a different fitting on the DAC. Is there a name/technical description so that I can order the correct cable?
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The Benchmark manual should cover what the USB port is and what it can do.
There is a photo about 1/3 of the way down the Wikipedia page on USB:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB
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That helps. So, it's a type A on the Id and a type B on the DAC - just need a cable with appropriate fittings at each end...
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Make sure the USB port on the DAC is meant for audio input.
Did it not arrive with a cable?
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It may have done - it was a long, long time ago..... :)
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Just set up my Id. Where do playlists live on the Id? And how do I transfer mine from old server (Win10 machine) to the Id, so that they work properly, and future playlists are managed by my Id (i.e., I make them on my Win10 machine which is now a client)?
Setup: NAS music files -> Id as server/renderer via network share -> Win10 + other clients
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Just set up my Id. Where do playlists live on the Id? And how do I transfer mine from old server (Win10 machine) to the Id, so that they work properly, and future playlists are managed by my Id (i.e., I make them on my Win10 machine which is now a client)?
Setup: NAS music files -> Id as server/renderer via network share -> Win10 + other clients
As long as the filenames are compatible and the file layout is exactly the same on the NAS as on the windows machine, you could export playlists on the windows machine and do "store paths relative to exported playlist location", use the default mpl format and save it to the base directory of your files. Take the playlist file from there and put into the equivalent location on your NAS then import the playlist on the Id.
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any updates/improvements to the Id being planned for the near future?
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There are changes every week or two. Is there something special you're looking for?
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Not especially. I am delighted with it though. It's USB connected to my Benchmark DAC, holds all my music, and works well from iPad and iPhone. I usually control it from MC23 running on iMac. I guess I should check for updates via the settings menu on the GUI since 'update available' doesn't get posted like it does when opening a desktop app icon...
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That's nice to hear. Thanks!
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Longtime JRiver user here (since version 15). I have a question for ID Classic users:
I'm thinking of getting one of these (the 120gb SSD version) for use as a renderer for both audio and video (primarily blu-ray mkv) housed on my server PC a few rooms away, usually controlled by JRemote. It will be wired via cat7 cable to one of Netgear's semi-recent Nighthawk routers. How does 1080p blu-ray streaming go? I know there's no madVR or anything Windows related, but are there a lot of dropped frames, stuttering, etc.? Currently, I'm using a Mede8er 600X3D as a renderer, but it's inconsistent (at best) i.e., the audio and video are fine when they play, but the Mede8er's ability to "see" JRiver on UPNP and to be played to by JRemote is spotty at best (even after setting up Media Network via the Whitebear utility), with lots of rebooting involved and much frustration-laced-anger directed at me from both wife and kids. So how does it work for you all?
Any feedback would be great!
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I have been using MC for a couple years and I just got myself an Id for Xmas. I am super rookie with this IT stuff, so sorry for being so lame, but I am having trouble getting it setup despite reading all the guides and posts for two days.
I'm stuck on step 4 of the setup guide. I got the network going and got the ports opened and can see the Id in the under media devices in the network section of Windows (10) Explorer. Using the GUI on the Id I changed the audio device output to my NAD DAC amplifier, so I think I am ready to play some files. But I can't find it in Tools>Options>Handhelds>Add Device and I can't map it as a network drive in Windows Explorer.
Am I doing this step right or did I do something wrong on the way here? Thanks for any advice.
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Can't map a network drive from the Id using the browser or the GUI either.
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The 64 bit version of MC doesn't yet support handheld devices. Is that the problem?
Are you trying to play to the Id from a Windows machine? The Id should show up in Playing Now. You can drag and drop audio files to it.
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Thanks, Jim. I tried loading my music library from an external hard disk to the ID using the GUI. It says a bunch of files loaded but it looks like they're just links to the external hard disk. I'm trying to get everything off the external disk to the ID, then be able to play it from my MC23 on my Windows PC and eventually JRemote when I get to that step.
Under Playing Now, I was able to add the ID library by entering the access key, but there's nothing there...except a new Player called "There." I've tried dragging and dropping files on "There" on "Player" and on the ID library under Playing From ID Library, but nothing happens....
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It sounds like you imported the files, not copied them to the Id.
In another thread, I described how to copy files across the network:
In Windows Explorer, select Network, then enter the IP address of the Id. Here's an example:
\\192.168.1.1
You should see two folders on the Id:
External Storage
Internal Storage
Navigate to the Media folder on Internal and drop a few files there. MC should find them. If not add the folder to the auto import settings.
That will put files on the IdPi.
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I tried that and it won't connect. Here's what it looks like. I named it RockinID (cause I'm hoping its gonna rock) and 4 are showing up, but none under Network. I tried to map a drive to \\10.0.0.240 but it says it can't find it on the network.
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Up above, where it says Network, type \\10.0.0.240 and hit Enter.
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Damn, that worked! How does that work but right click Network->Map Network Drive doesn't? Aargh. Thanks a lot :)
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OK, I cleaned out both libraries (the "Main library" on my PC and the "Id library" on the Id) of all the music linked to my external drive, and started with 0 files. Then placed a few files into Internal Storage/media, and they are there. But I do not see them on the Id under either Library or after double clicking Playing Now. I saw in your other post about adding the folder to the auto import settings, but that is how I created all those links last time and I want to move all the music to the Id for permanent storage. Also the music is in folders by album or show, and when I dropped a folder onto Internal Storage, it just took the folder, not the files inside. Please tell me there's a way to move over all the files in their folders so I don't have to go through that process again.... Many thanks.
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If you copy the folders on Windows and paste on the Id, the files should be moved.
InternalStorage/Media is where they should go.
Double check the auto import settings. Tools > Import ...
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Still stuck... You can see in this snapshot (1) I successfully loaded 27 files onto the Id via the network, (2) MC is connected to the Id Library Server using the access key but it says it has 0 files, and (3) Tools->Import is grayed out.
What am I still doing wrong?
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In your screenshot of MC, you're showing the Id as a server. Try rebooting the server, or just exiting MC. It will restart in a minute and should import the files.
If that doesn't work, your auto import settings are probably wrong. You have to tell MC what folders to import and what file types.
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I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to post this question, but I have spent most of the Christmas and new year break trying to solve this on my own bit have failed.
I have the NUC Id (Fully Baked) and am trying to play back a 96k 5.1 Flac file, through the HDMI port, to an Audio extractor that should then send the 5.1 audio over a Toslink into the back of my Bose Media Centre.
According to Audio Path it tells me that I am indeed playing a 6ch file ( down sampled to 48K).
My media centre shows the file as PCM 2.0 but does not tell me that the audio is Dolby or DTS and my rear speakers are quiet.
To prove the bits I do understand connecting my blueray players hdmi output to the Audio extractor and placing a 5.1 dvd in the drive causes the media centre to react as expected.
Am I missing something fundamental here?
Gary
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Random shot in the dark, but have you tried enabling Dolby/DTS bitstreaming?
Also: https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/DTS_WAV
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Random shot in the dark, but have you tried enabling Dolby/DTS bitstreaming?
Also: https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/DTS_WAV
If you mean the setting in the attached screenshot then yes.....
Along with changing the the Specified output format in the DLNA settings.
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I purchased an Id Classic last month and have spent several days trying to get it set up without success. My goal was to use the Id connected by USB to my surround sound processor. I want to connect a 1TB WD passport external drive connected by USB to the Id to store my Music files. The Id will be controlled by a MacBook Air using MC23. The Id was connected to my LAN via ethernet cable and the MacBook Air connects to the LAN wireless. I do not have access to a windows computer or Internet Explorer. The Id will need to be run headless without a monitor once it is set up.
When I connected the Id via HDMI to my TV I went through the install guide instructions but could not find the Id in MC on the MacBook Air. I also could not confirm that the WD passport had been mounted. Here are my questions at this point;
1. Is it possible to set up and operate the Id in my environment using only Apple computers as I have described above?
2. If the answer to #1 is yes then how do I locate the Id in MC23 on the MacBook Air. I could not find it under Playing Now.
3. How do I change the output on the Id from HDMI to USB? I tried to switch the output from HDMI to USB going into Tools-Options-Media Network without success.
3. How to I mount the WD passport external drive to the Id and confirm it is operating properly?
Thanks,
Ron
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If you mean the setting in the attached screenshot then yes.....
Along with changing the the Specified output format in the DLNA settings.
Trying to understand the flow.
The audio extractor is a device connected via to the Id via HDMI and it's expecting a 5 channel PCM file?
In this case the DLNA settings aren't in play.
Since the output is going to 48k that means DSP studio is being used.
The default settings for that are to downsample and mix to suit the capabilities of the built-in audio.
You should go into DSP studio for the main player zone and change the settings to not do channel mixing and not resample rates that your device supports.
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I purchased an Id Classic last month and have spent several days trying to get it set up without success. My goal was to use the Id connected by USB to my surround sound processor. I want to connect a 1TB WD passport external drive connected by USB to the Id to store my Music files. The Id will be controlled by a MacBook Air using MC23. The Id was connected to my LAN via ethernet cable and the MacBook Air connects to the LAN wireless. I do not have access to a windows computer or Internet Explorer. The Id will need to be run headless without a monitor once it is set up.
You should be able to do this, that's a normal use case.
When I connected the Id via HDMI to my TV I went through the install guide instructions but could not find the Id in MC on the MacBook Air. I also could not confirm that the WD passport had been mounted. Here are my questions at this point;
1. Is it possible to set up and operate the Id in my environment using only Apple computers as I have described above?
2. If the answer to #1 is yes then how do I locate the Id in MC23 on the MacBook Air. I could not find it under Playing Now.
3. How do I change the output on the Id from HDMI to USB? I tried to switch the output from HDMI to USB going into Tools-Options-Media Network without success.
3. How to I mount the WD passport external drive to the Id and confirm it is operating properly?
Thanks,
Ron
If Media Network is enabled on your Mac you should be able to see the Id on your Mac MC under Playing Now. If that's not the case you should check the network connection on the Id (wired or wireless?)
You don't need windows to manage the Id, there are several different ways of doing it:
Panel is one (once you see it in MC on the Mac).
Another is VNC or Remote Desktop to connect directly to the Id GUI (you can get both VNC and Remote Desktop for the Mac, Remote Desktop is available from Apple free and TigerVNC is available for the Mac free).
If you have a monitor and keyboard attached for configuration, you can do basic setup from the headless mode text menu.
You change the output from internal to USB either with Panel or in the MC Audio Options menu on the Id (via VNC, etc).
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Trying to understand the flow.
The audio extractor is a device connected via to the Id via HDMI and it's expecting a 5 channel PCM file?
In this case the DLNA settings aren't in play.
Since the output is going to 48k that means DSP studio is being used.
The default settings for that are to downsample and mix to suit the capabilities of the built-in audio.
You should go into DSP studio for the main player zone and change the settings to not do channel mixing and not resample rates that your device supports.
Correct Bob, HDMI lead from the Id to the Audio extractor, audio extractor converts to 2ch analogue and Optical. Optical choices are 2 channel or 5.1. The optical output is plugged into optical input of the Bose.
When I play Audio from the Id the Bose recognises the audio as PCM 2.0 plays it but without the surround info.
If I move the hdmi lead to a blu-ray player and play 5.1 audio the Bose changes to Dolby Digital and the surround becomes active.
I set the Down sample to 48k as without I get full scale very loud non locked digital noise.
I only started messing with (DLNA) settings when I had exhausted everything else!
Gary
If the hdmi lead is moved from the ID to Blu Ray device, and a 5.1 piece of audio played, the media centre switches as expected.
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I have been successful in getting the Id to download files from the WD passport external drive and play them through my surround sound processor using the USB output. The Id is showing on my MacBook Air and I can play files remotely using the MB Air. However when I try to use DSP Studio functions I get a message that DSP studio can only be used in local zones. The DSP studio functions are what I enjoy most about JRiver MC and I need to be able to remotely make adjustments as I am listing to music. How can I accomplish this with the iD?
Thanks for your help.
Ron
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I have been successful in getting the Id to download files from the WD passport external drive and play them through my surround sound processor using the USB output. The Id is showing on my MacBook Air and I can play files remotely using the MB Air. However when I try to use DSP Studio functions I get a message that DSP studio can only be used in local zones. The DSP studio functions are what I enjoy most about JRiver MC and I need to be able to remotely make adjustments as I am listing to music. How can I accomplish this with the iD?
You'll need to set the DSP Studio options on the Id, not the MacBook. You can do this by using a VNC or RDP client (the ones Bob mentioned) to remotely connect to the Id, and you can configure the DSP Studio options that way.
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Correct Bob, HDMI lead from the Id to the Audio extractor, audio extractor converts to 2ch analogue and Optical. Optical choices are 2 channel or 5.1. The optical output is plugged into optical input of the Bose.
When I play Audio from the Id the Bose recognises the audio as PCM 2.0 plays it but without the surround info.
If I move the hdmi lead to a blu-ray player and play 5.1 audio the Bose changes to Dolby Digital and the surround becomes active.
I set the Down sample to 48k as without I get full scale very loud non locked digital noise.
I only started messing with (DLNA) settings when I had exhausted everything else!
Gary
If the hdmi lead is moved from the ID to Blu Ray device, and a 5.1 piece of audio played, the media centre switches as expected.
So the original material is 5.1.
Bitstreaming is Options is set to none.
You are downsampling that in MC to 48k in DSP studio output format.
The channels setting in output format is set to source number of channels
When you play this material to the audio extractor it's set to convert to what? to send to the bose?
If you set the DSP studio output format channels setting in MC to 5.1 channels does that make a difference?
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So the original material is 5.1.
Bitstreaming is Options is set to none.
You are downsampling that in MC to 48k in DSP studio output format.
The channels setting in output format is set to source number of channels
When you play this material to the audio extractor it's set to convert to what? to send to the bose?
If you set the DSP studio output format channels setting in MC to 5.1 channels does that make a difference?
Hi Bob, in order
Yes, at 96k
Have tried Bitstream on ( hdmi ) and custom with everything ticked except DSD
Yes due to Very LOUD noise that comes out at 96 k
Tried both source number of channels and 5.1
As far as I know the extractor does no conversion ...
See link below
http://www.delock.com/produkt/62692/pdf.html?sprache=en
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Hi Bob, in order
Yes, at 96k
Have tried Bitstream on ( hdmi ) and custom with everything ticked except DSD
Yes due to Very LOUD noise that comes out at 96 k
Tried both source number of channels and 5.1
As far as I know the extractor does no conversion ...
See link below
http://www.delock.com/produkt/62692/pdf.html?sprache=en
Interesting...
Have you tried the same test with Windows or Mac?
Can you share one of your audio files with me (small preferably) so I can try to duplicate this (I'd feed it directly into a multichannel hdmi amp).
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Interesting...
Have you tried the same test with Windows or Mac?
Can you share one of your audio files with me (small preferably) so I can try to duplicate this (I'd feed it directly into a multichannel hdmi amp).
I don't use Mac's.
Laptop has a mini display port connection will try to see if I can convert.
Do you want me to PM File?
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OK, I got the files loaded and can play them ONLY from the Id GUI.
I don't have the same playback options in MC on my laptop as I do on the Id-loaded MC.
So how can I get MC synced on the laptop and Id so I don't have to use a monitor for the Id?
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Your options for remotes are here:
https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Remotes
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Got it. Thanks for all your help, Jim.
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I don't use Mac's.
Laptop has a mini display port connection will try to see if I can convert.
Do you want me to PM File?
Bob, have tried playing same file via a windows laptop into the extractor(s), and the big difference between the laptop and the ID is they will play at the sample rate of the file with no down sampling and 6 channel.
The best I can get out of the ID being 48k. is this something to do with the Linux drivers for HDMI?
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Forgive me if this has been addressed in the last 18 pages of the thread, but I was wondering if this device will render DNLA text-to-speech requests. I'm looking for an inexpensive device that I'd be able to connect to my network to broadcast messages from my automation system and the Raspberry Pi version of the Id looks like it may fit the bill.
Thanks in advance
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I've never heard of DLNA text-to-speech. I took a quick look. I suppose you have software that will take text and convert it to speech. If so, and if it can talk to a DLNA Renderer, then MC on the Id should work.
The Id is described here:
http://www.jriver.com/Id
If you are using other software to send the speech, please provide a few details.
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I've been using the DLNA plugin of the Vera controller to send TTS to some DNLA compatible media players in the recent past. Maybe someone can test this using an Android device. It's been a while since I experimented with this so I'll need to get back to you once I reestablish a method.
Thanks for your prompt reply
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I'd be happy to test on Android if you can give me a way.
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Bob, have tried playing same file via a windows laptop into the extractor(s), and the big difference between the laptop and the ID is they will play at the sample rate of the file with no down sampling and 6 channel.
The best I can get out of the ID being 48k. is this something to do with the Linux drivers for HDMI?
Gary, the NUC Id should play up to 192k HDMI.
The IdPi was limited to 48k but we put out an update that makes it do up to 192k.
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I'd be happy to test on Android if you can give me a way.
It looks like Tasker is the way to go, though I don't understand enough about the programming involved to manage a test on my own. I found a thread where someone discusses sending text announcements to a Sonos speaker here: https://en.community.sonos.com/advanced-setups-229000/http-post-command-reference-for-tasker-30365/index1.html#post15977024
It seems that the MediaRenderer commands would be helpful. If there is any way you can look at this and let me know if this would work with the Id (and the Windows player as well, for that matter)?
Thanks again for your assistance
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I think that's more than I can help with just now. Sorry.
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I think that's more than I can help with just now. Sorry.
No problem. I realize it was a bit of a big request. I'll see what kind of info I can find and testing I can do here and if I find a simpler way for you to test on the Id I'll let you know.
Thanks anyway
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Hello,
I am interested by the Id. Two questions :
1- Is the Id compatible with Audio-GD master 11 DAC ? For windows, I need an amareno driver.
2- Is there any other solutions to upgrade pi for a richer sound ? Is it possible to use the Pink Faun I2S pCI-e board ?
Thank's
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1. I don't know. If the DAC works with Linux without installing a driver, it should work with the Id.
2. You can't install boards in the Id or modify it in any way. It's an "appliance".
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Does the IdNuc come with Engen installed?
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Yes.
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I have just received my Id which I intend to use as my music server in place of my Macbook Pro and have gone through the set up process which has gone well but will not play through the USB output to my Project Dac Box DS2 Ultra. The Id recognises the USB Dac but when trying to play the MC23 on the Id reports it is unable to play 2channel 44.1khz files.
Are there drivers required for the Linux version of MC23?
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The driver question should be addressed to the manufacturer of the DAC. If it works on Linux without a driver, it will work with the Id.
Try using converting to 48Khz. Player > DSP Studio > Output Settings.
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The driver question should be addressed to the manufacturer of the DAC. If it works on Linux without a driver, it will work with the Id.
Try using converting to 48Khz. Player > DSP Studio > Output Settings.
Hi Jim
Tried the 48khz with same result. DAC works fine off MC23 on Macbook with DAC but doesn't seem to like MC23 on Id,
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Hi Jim
Tried the 48khz with same result. DAC works fine off MC23 on Macbook with DAC but doesn't seem to like MC23 on Id,
If you go into Tools -> Options -> Audio, which device do you have selected from the list right under Audio Device? USB DACs usually have multiple instances in this list, so you might want to try other items from this list. Just make sure the item in the list indicates that it is the DAC.
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If you go into Tools -> Options -> Audio, which device do you have selected from the list right under Audio Device? USB DACs usually have multiple instances in this list, so you might want to try other items from this list. Just make sure the item in the list indicates that it is the DAC.
Thanks for the information - tried all options and when I try and play a tune - I can hear the relays clicking in the DAC then I get the unable to play message. Optical output from Id works fine except for dsd
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Thanks for the information - tried all options and when I try and play a tune - I can hear the relays clicking in the DAC then I get the unable to play message. Optical output from Id works fine except for dsd
DSD now sorted on optical :) :)
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Thanks for the information - tried all options and when I try and play a tune - I can hear the relays clicking in the DAC then I get the unable to play message. Optical output from Id works fine except for dsd
I have now installed Firmware version 1.04 on my Pro-ject DAC Box DS2 Ultra and the USB is now fully recognised on the Id but only plays at 48khz whatever the output on DSP Studio.
Am I Doing something wrong?
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Did you check the box next to Output Settings?
Try rebooting.
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Hi Jim
USB everything outputs at 48khz and will not play 44.1 unless upscaled to 48khz or dsd files by bit streaming dsd as it does on MAC version of MC23. Optical great up to 192khz but have to upscale 176.4khz files to 192khz as optical does not cover 176.4khz. and play dsd files at 192khz.
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Hi Jim
USB everything outputs at 48khz and will not play 44.1 unless upscaled to 48khz or dsd files by bit streaming dsd as it does on MAC version of MC23. Optical great up to 192khz but have to upscale 176.4khz files to 192khz as optical does not cover 176.4khz. and play dsd files at 192khz.
What does Media Center show as the selected device from the device list in the Audio tab under Options? Also, try option 10 from the Id main menu (Show audio device information) to see what sample rates it shows as being supported by your DAC.
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Well believe it or not - I reverted to default settings, reloaded the library, set the DAC Box DS2 Ultra on D20 as USB sound card and nothing would play. I then went into system mixer and set the sound card to the DAC Box DS2 Ultra and "Eureka" plays everything up to dsd256.
Very Happy
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Is MC23 available for Id? And if so what are the steps to install it?
thanks
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Is MC23 available for Id? And if so what are the steps to install it?
Are you referring to the NUC Id or the IdPi?
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NUC Id
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NUC Id
I sent you private message.
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I have been ripping cd’s via DbPoweramp to play through the JRiver Id and the playback at 44.1 is glitchy via USB
I have re-ripped a cd with a noticeable glitch in WAV, FLAC and AIFF and the glitches are all at the same places. Same track played though my CD transport into the DS2 Ultra is glitch free and if I output from the Id via the optical instead of USB replay is again glitch free. There also seems a noticable jump in the time display at the same time as the audible glitch.
I have found that I can eliminate these glitches on USB with a “sticking plaster” approach within JRiver both from the MAC and the Id of outputting 44.1 files as 88.2 which also seems to eliminate the any jumps on the time readout.
All other resolutions other than ripped 44.1 cd’s are glitch free via USB.
I have sent a copy of a ripped track with a noticeable glitch to Project to check out if they have issues with the DAC but they are unable to replicate the issue using the windows version of MC23 and Foobar2000.
Has this issue cropped up elsewhere?
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Try ripping in MC, just to test. Just use the defaults.
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Hi Jim
Same problem whether I rip in MC, iTunes or dBPoweramp.
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What voltage is the power supply?
What is plugged into it? A drive?
https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/power/README.md
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Not a Pi, it's a Intel NUC Id. Same problem off MacBook Pro MC23.
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Sorry. I missed that.
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If you PM me with your email I can send you the example file I sent to Project which has a timing and audible glitch 18 seconds in.
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Not a Pi, it's a Intel NUC Id. Same problem off MacBook Pro MC23.
Since you said it glitches in AIFF 44.1k on the MacBook Pro with MC23 as well, I'd suggest playing the same file back using iTunes on the MacBook to see if it glitches there.
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Played file through MacBook and iTunes and got same glitch through USB but not when playing iTunes through headphones. Could this be DAC related on USB?
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Played file through MacBook and iTunes and got same glitch through USB but not when playing iTunes through headphones. Could this be DAC related on USB?
It sounds like it.
Can you check for a DAC firmware update?
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Project sent me a firmware update to enable the Id to recognise the DAC but they say they do nougat the issue running MC23 on windows with the example file I sent them. But all in all up-sampling 44.1 to 88.2 eliminates the issue on both the MacBook Pro USB and Id USB so this fix is ok for the moment.
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Import question: After configuring auto-import on the Id, setting the folder to watch, etc., there's no way to "force" import of new tracks added to the watch folder, is there?
Let's say there was a hot new album release. I add the files to my NAS, in the watch folder. I have to wait until Id runs its processes? Is there a way - from the client - to force that process? I'd rather not detach the Id from its perch, bring it upstairs, power it back up, plug it into a keyboard/mouse/ethernet/HDMI-to-the-TV and choose "import" each time I want to refresh... can I reboot the Id? Will that force it?
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Import question: After configuring auto-import on the Id, setting the folder to watch, etc., there's no way to "force" import of new tracks added to the watch folder, is there?
Let's say there was a hot new album release. I add the files to my NAS, in the watch folder. I have to wait until Id runs its processes? Is there a way - from the client - to force that process? I'd rather not detach the Id from its perch, bring it upstairs, power it back up, plug it into a keyboard/mouse/ethernet/HDMI-to-the-TV and choose "import" each time I want to refresh... can I reboot the Id? Will that force it?
If the Id isn't automatically importing files recently added to watched folders, one thing you can do is manually run auto-import with Tools -> Import... -> Run Auto-Import Now. To do this without having to connect the Id to a monitor or keyboard, you can connect to the Id remotely with Remote Desktop or VNC. If you have a Windows 10 machine, Remote Desktop is probably the easiest way. With either method, you really just need to provide the internal IP address of the Id and click connect. It will ask you for the remote access password. By default, it's "remote".
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Thanks for the reply! I just tried, but got errors - Remote Access (Win10) only wants https, and when I try that, it returns an error also. Boy, this would save a ton of trouble... I love the idea. If you have an idea how to fix this, I'm all ears!
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Thanks for the reply! I just tried, but got errors - Remote Access (Win10) only wants https, and when I try that, it returns an error also. Boy, this would save a ton of trouble... I love the idea. If you have an idea how to fix this, I'm all ears!
You mentioned Remote Access, so I just wanted to be clear on something. Are you running the Remote Desktop Connection app on Windows? The easiest way to find it is to type "remote" in the search bar. The only thing it should need is the IP address, such as 192.168.x.x.
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Yes, under Win10. When launched, it accurately displays that "There are currently no connections available on this computer." So I choose "Access RemoteApp and desktops" in the upper left corner. The result is the attached dialog box.
Simply typing an IP address immediately returns an error - doesn't even try to connect. It needs an email address, or "https://[IP address]" or it won't work. I tried "http://" plus the IP address, but it reinforces the need for https.
Am I doing it wrong? I just accepted the Win10 update that appeared 2 days ago.
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Yes, under Win10. When launched, it accurately displays that "There are currently no connections available on this computer." So I choose "Access RemoteApp and desktops" in the upper left corner. The result is the attached dialog box.
Simply typing an IP address immediately returns an error - doesn't even try to connect. It needs an email address, or "https://[IP address]" or it won't work. I tried "http://" plus the IP address, but it reinforces the need for https.
Am I doing it wrong? I just accepted the Win10 update that appeared 2 days ago.
That is not the Remote Desktop Connection app. In the Windows search bar, if you type in "remote desktop" at the top it should display "Remote Desktop Connection" and it will show it as a desktop app. Otherwise, you should be able to find a shortcut here: <OS Drive>:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Accessories, or in the Windows Accessories folder in the start menu. I believe it is installed by default on any Windows 10 distribution.
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OMG! THIS WORKS GREAT!!! :o
Thank you!
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Project sent me a firmware update to enable the Id to recognise the DAC but they say they do not get the issue running MC23 on windows with the file I sent them. But all in all up-sampling 44.1 to 88.2 eliminates the issue on both the MacBook Pro USB and Id USB so this fix is ok for the moment.
An Update :-
I went to my local dealer and we experimented playing 44.1 files through the usb from my mac to their Project DS2 Ultra and we replicated the glitches which we all agreed were due to loss of timing control but eliminated them by outputting at 88.2. Outputting at 48 still replicated the problems.
We then played the same files output at 44.1 through a Chord Hugo 2 and no timing issues or glitches occurred.
The dealer, now having witnessed the issues, are hopefully contacting Project to look again at the USB timing issue at both 44.1 and 48.
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I have 2 licenses for MC. A master license for my computer and one for the Id I purchased over a year ago. I would like to restore my license for the Id. I used the restore option but the wrong license was restored. How do I get the license for the Id restored? Thanks.
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On the Id itself, use the text menu to enter the license. The Id license is only good for one machine, the one it was first installed on.
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I get the message: "Your license is for a different product" when I enter the license number that came with the Id. I updated the Id from MC20 to MC22 after I received it. I have the email with this message when I updated:
PLEASE DO NOT REPLY to this e-mail. (See below for more information.)
You have recently restored a licence for Media Center 22 Id. There are 10 restores available in each 12 month period. There are 9 restores remaining at this time.
The restore activates Media Center and installs the license automatically.
The Install Key is attached to this email. It is valid for 14 days. To install on another PC, transfer the Install Key to the PC, make sure the correct version of Media Center is installed, then execute the Install Key by double clicking on it.
After 14 days, if you need an Install Key, you can use your Registration Code to do so
by visiting this page:
https://rover.jriver.com/cgi-bin/restore.cgi
For more information on licensing, please visit:
http://www.jriver.com/purchase.html
Support is available online at Interact:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact
Best Wishes,
The Media Center Team
Do I need another restore key and if so how do I enter it on the Id?
Thanks
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It looks like you found and installed the MC22 Id key so we'll call this one "case closed"
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Hi Bob,
Im currently using i2s from allo in raspberry pi called Digione.
Digione has received allot of postive reviews. Can I use the JRiver id baked sd card with this device?
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Hi Bob,
Im currently using i2s from allo in raspberry pi called Digione.
Digione has received allot of postive reviews. Can I use the JRiver id baked sd card with this device?
MC only opens ALSA devices.
If the allo card has a ALSA driver I'd think it'd work.
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I somehow lost the ability to play music on my Id using MC23. Playback Options for the Id zone say "Audio settings for the Library Server must be configured on the server." What does that mean? I attached a monitor to the Id and I can play music from there, but I don't know what to configure so I can play from MC23.
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I somehow lost the ability to play music on my Id using MC23. Playback Options for the Id zone say "Audio settings for the Library Server must be configured on the server." What does that mean? I attached a monitor to the Id and I can play music from there, but I don't know what to configure so I can play from MC23.
"Playback Options for the Id zone say "Audio settings for the Library Server must be configured on the server."
I assume you are getting that when you try to change zone entries on the for the Id as a zone on your MC23 (windows or Mac)?
Can you elaborate on how you are playing to the Id?
Gizmo, JRemote, library server client, etc?
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Sure, I have the Id hooked up to a home stereo DAC via USB, and I am playing MC23 off my PC laptop. The network connection between the Id and laptop is fine because it recognizes it, I can drill down into the audio files and can play them off my laptop speakers. But when I try to play to "There" (which worked for 6 months) it plays the file but no sound comes out. In the MC23 app under Tools->Options->Audio is where that error is listed. Any ideas??
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Can you play directly from the Id? Did you try audio setup on the Id itself?
Volume?
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Sure, I have the Id hooked up to a home stereo DAC via USB, and I am playing MC23 off my PC laptop. The network connection between the Id and laptop is fine because it recognizes it, I can drill down into the audio files and can play them off my laptop speakers. But when I try to play to "There" (which worked for 6 months) it plays the file but no sound comes out. In the MC23 app under Tools->Options->Audio is where that error is listed. Any ideas??
Run the alsamixer command from the Id text menu and see if the device is muted.
MC on linux is unable to handle all of the mixer combinations since they are done inconsistently between different ALSA devices.
You can also check in MC on the Id to make sure mute is off for the device and that you are using internal volume.
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I can play directly from the Id, yes. When I hook up a monitor I can play from MC on the Id, and Audio settings are as expected. It's just on my Windows PC that I get that error.
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I can play directly from the Id, yes. When I hook up a monitor I can play from MC on the Id, and Audio settings are as expected. It's just on my Windows PC that I get that error.
Since you have a
There: zone
that implies you have a library server client setup.
Which device is the client and which is the server?
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Hi Bob,
Im currently using i2s from allo in raspberry pi called Digione.
Digione has received allot of postive reviews. Can I use the JRiver id baked sd card with this device?
My experience is no. I've got a digione and the IdPi SD card doesn't recognize it.
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The Id is the server, and my Windows laptop running MC23 is the client. But somehow I lost the zone to play the Id to the stereo using MC23 to run it. If I attach a monitor to the Id I can play directly to the stereo. I don't think its the DAC driver because it reads the files off the Id via USB. I'm obviously a terrible tech guy so sorry if this is confusing, but thanks for the help.
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The Id is the server, and my Windows laptop running MC23 is the client. But somehow I lost the zone to play the Id to the stereo using MC23 to run it. If I attach a monitor to the Id I can play directly to the stereo. I don't think its the DAC driver because it reads the files off the Id via USB. I'm obviously a terrible tech guy so sorry if this is confusing, but thanks for the help.
If other
There:
zones show up it possible that the zone is just hidden on your laptop.
RIght-click on the player zone on the laptop and do show/hide zone. Check under show to see if your missing zone is there.
If that's not it, check to make sure on the Id under Media Network->Advanced that all 3 checkboxes for DLNA controller, server and renderer are checked.
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Dang it, that worked! The zone "There" was giving me that error message. But there was a hidden zone "There:There" that does work. Confusing, but I should have found that. ::) Thanks for the help.
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Any idea when we might see an update to the Nuc Id’s? Looking forward to streaming options and Radio JRiver..
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We have server problems at the moment and that has a higher priority.
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I am thinking the ID may work with my setup, but I'm not very computer savvy. My set up now is:
MC23 on win10 laptop
Music files on a Toshiba canvio 2TB ext HD
PS Audio LanRover between laptop and Oppo 205 USB DAC in. The LanRover allows for conversion of usb to network and back to usb signal. I use it because of the distance between my laptop and the Oppo. I would like to remove the LanRover from the equation.
If I use the ID can I:
connect the external HD to the usb on the ID for file storage and connect the second usb out to the Oppo ?? How many usb ports on the ID. The pictures on your website don't show this clearly.
Can I use my laptop running MC23 to control the ID ??
If not can I use the 2TB ID to store and play music using MC23 on my laptop to run the ID??
Since I'm using the DAC on the Oppo, would the ID PI work better??
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If I use the ID can I:
connect the external HD to the usb on the ID for file storage and connect the second usb out to the Oppo ?? How many usb ports on the ID. The pictures on your website don't show this clearly.
Can I use my laptop running MC23 to control the ID ??
If not can I use the 2TB ID to store and play music using MC23 on my laptop to run the ID??
Since I'm using the DAC on the Oppo, would the ID PI work better??
Yes. The IdNUC has 4 USB 3.0 port (2 in front and 2 in back). The IdPi has 4 USB 2.0 ports.
You can control it with your laptop multiple ways. You can use a remote desktop or VNC client to connect to it remotely. You could use the MC23 version on the laptop and have it load the Id library. You could also use an app like JRemote or Gizmo and control it with a mobile device. Or, you could just open up Panel in a web browser.
The IdNUC will have better performance. With the IdPi, the USB ports all share a single controller. Connecting a USB DAC and a USB drive might cause bandwidth issues, depending on the types of files you're playing.
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What do you mean by idNUC ?
Is that the the id with 2TB storage?
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What do you mean by idNUC ?
Is that the the id with 2TB storage?
The IdNUC is the Id built on an Intel NUC. You can find more information here: https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,113878.0.html
It can either have a 120GB SSD or a 2TB hard drive.
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I'm a geezer, not a computer guy, so if I could get some answers in geezer-ese, please, before I order.
1-Will it automatically get, or allow me to download the Oppo usb driver onto it?
2-Since I've spent a fair amount of time 'tagging' my music on MC23 I don't want to have to do it all again. Will I be able to export my library (with all my tags) to it?
3-You said I could open up 'Panel' in my web browser. Is that the similar to the GUI I see when I open MC23? Can I access 'Audio,Artists, playlists, etc. and choose what to play from there on my laptop? And control play/pause/skip, etc from my laptop? Can I control it from my laptop, but have all the files stored in the ID and have no hardwire connection between my laptop and the ID, but still control the playback from my laptop thru my network?
4-Is there any advantage to having the built in 2TB storage over an external HD? Is that what you were referring to with the bandwidth issues?
5- Can it play DSD files or are they converted to PCM?
Sorry for being a PITA, but when you all start talking about NAS, SMB, etc., I'm clueless.
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I can't answer all of them (and I'm sure Jim, Bob, Brad and the rest of the JRiver staff can answer better), but these ones I probably can...
1. Depends, does Oppo have a driver for Linux (as I believe the Id runs Linux and not Windows)? If not and the Oppo supports USB Audio Class 2.0 with USB, it might already have native support in Linux and won't need a driver (which probably won't be useful in the first place, since ASIO isn't available in Linux).
2. I'd recommend running the Update tags (from library) option and doing a library backup: https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Library_Backup
3. Panel looks like this in a web browser: https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,115638.0.html And more-or-less, you should be able to do all that.
5. Depends if the DAC you connect to the Id supports native DSD or DSD over PCM (DoP) with USB and/or supports DSD over DLNA (DoPE) and you enable DSD bitstreaming. It's worth noting though that I don't believe an Id (or any Intel NUC or Raspberry Pi for that matter) is powerful enough to convert DSD to PCM on-the-fly, especially multichannel DSD to PCM, as that's one of the most resource intensive operations MC does. It's probably best to avoid converting DSD to PCM if you can, otherwise you'll probably run into issues.
It'd also help to know which Oppo you're using to help answer 1 and 5 better.
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1-Will it automatically get, or allow me to download the Oppo usb driver onto it?
The Id's use a Linux operating system, so if the DAC supports Linux, there is no need to download a driver. The Oppo UDP 205 appears to support Linux.
2-Since I've spent a fair amount of time 'tagging' my music on MC23 I don't want to have to do it all again. Will I be able to export my library (with all my tags) to it?
You can, but moving a library from Windows to an Id can be messy. I think an easier option is to use the Id purely as a renderer. In this case, you connect the Id to your network and the USB DAC. Just leave the external hard drive where it is (I assume it's connected to the laptop).
Once the Id is connected and powered on, boot the Id into GUI mode (option 1 in the main menu), or connect to it remotely. Then configure Media Center to output through the DAC the same way you would in Windows (Tools -> Options -> Audio). You will see a lot of choices for the audio device, so you might need to try a few different options. You should be able to tell which options are the USB DAC by the name. Try an option that begins with "hw:" first.
Then, from Media Center on your laptop, the Id will show up as a playback zone in the list on the left side. To play music to it, from Media Center on your laptop, right-click a file/album/playlist and select: Send To -> Play (<Whatever the Id name is, usually something like Id-XXXXXXXXXXXX>) -> Play.
3-You said I could open up 'Panel' in my web browser. Is that the similar to the GUI I see when I open MC23? Can I access 'Audio,Artists, playlists, etc. and choose what to play from there on my laptop? And control play/pause/skip, etc from my laptop?
Panel looks different than the Media Center interface, but it's made to be simple to use. There is nothing extra to download or install. It's a full interface, so you can play/pause/skip audio, images, and videos in your library, and you can run Panel on any device that has a web browser. You can find instructions for it here: https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,116687.msg806546.html#msg806546
Can I control it from my laptop, but have all the files stored in the ID and have no hardwire connection between my laptop and the ID, but still control the playback from my laptop thru my network?
You don't need to have a hardwired connection between your laptop and the Id; however, the Id and your laptop need to be connected to your network to communicate, either by ethernet or WiFi.
4-Is there any advantage to having the built in 2TB storage over an external HD? Is that what you were referring to with the bandwidth issues?
First of all, the built in 2TB drive only comes with the IdNUC. The USB bandwidth issue is mainly for the IdPi, not the IdNUC.
To answer the question, kind of. There is an advantage to internal drives over USB drives. The internal drive uses SATA III which has more bandwidth, but you probably won't notice the difference, especially if the USB drive is USB 3.0.
That being said, if you decide to use the Id purely as a renderer, you won't need the 2TB built in drive.
5- Can it play DSD files or are they converted to PCM?
I think Awesome Donkey put it a lot better. It depends on what the DAC supports.
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Awesome Donkey- It's a UDP-205. And thanks.
BradATIMA- thanks for the detailed answers. Think I'll give it a try.
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Currently the only direct DSD format supported in MC linux is DSD_U32_BE
It's been tested successfully with an iFi Nano iDSD LE
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First of all, a big thanks to Jim H for helping me get the Id ordered. It should be here Friday. I still have some questions.
I'm running MC23 and I was able to get Panel running and it should be fine for my purposes IF:
-Can I setup Panel as a program on my laptop? Will I be able to download it as a program so that I have an icon on my homescreen or will I need to connect to it every time with the key code? Can I download the app to my laptop? If so where do I get it?
-The ordering page for the Id states that 'A license for Media Center is included.' Is that for 24?
-It also states that MC24 or Media Server is needed to run Panel. Is Media Server included with the Id? What exactly is Media Server?
-When I was doing some trials with using MC as a renderer today using wi-fi (and I assume a network connection) I was only able to get my AIF 192/24 files to be sent as mpeg 48/24. I want to get my files to the Oppo's USB/DAC in the form they are recorded on my external HD.
To do this I would like to use Panel to control playback. If I connect my external HD to the Id by USB for music files, and connect the Id to my Oppo's USB/DAC will I be able to send my files as recorded controlling with Panel from my laptop?
-In the Id setup instructions it states to: "Connect an Ethernet cable (network), USB keyboard, power, and audio output (USB, HDMI, or 1/8" stereo analog).
It is recommended that you use an HDMI monitor for setup"
I have everything but a USB keyboard. Can I connect a USB cable from my laptop to the Id and use its keyboard?
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You can run Panel on any device by using your browser. Once connected, you can drag the link to your desktop. I set my home button to open the link.
Media Server is part of Media Center. You could read about it on the wiki.
On the server, you can set conversion for the DLNA Server that you use.
Yes, Panel can control playback.
You could use another machine by using a remote desktop program. USB keyboards are pretty inexpensive and handy to have.
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I'm not sure this question was answered. If so I didn't understand.
When I was doing some trials with using MC as a renderer today using wi-fi (and I assume a network connection) I was only able to get my AIF 192/24 files to be sent as mpeg 48/24. I want to get my files to the Oppo's USB/DAC in the same form they are recorded on my external HD.
To do this I would like to use Panel to control playback.
If I connect my external HD to the Id by USB for music files, and thenconnect the Id to my Oppo's USB/DAC will I be able to send my files as recorded in hi-rez from the external HD, controlling playback with Panel from my laptop?
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Conversion is set on the server under Media Network.
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Will this connection work?
Will I be able to choose the file I want to play (44.1/16 to 192/24) in Panel on my laptop, send the command (I assume thru the network connection) to the Id, have that file accessed in the 2TB external HD connected directly to the Id, and have that file sent out unaltered to the Oppo's USB/DAC directly from the Id??
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Yes.
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You could use the MC23 version on the laptop and have it load the Id library. Or, you could just open up Panel in a web browser
Is this if I'm using the Id as a renderer?
If so how would I load the MC23 library to the Id?
I did not get the 2TB Id, will the library fit onto the regular Id?
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Also, If using the Id as a renderer what settings in MC23 need to be enabled (or disabled) in OPTIONS??
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Is this if I'm using the Id as a renderer?
If so how would I load the MC23 library to the Id?
I did not get the 2TB Id, will the library fit onto the regular Id?
If you are connecting an external drive to the Id you will have the Id scan the external drive files form it's import settings options and it will build a library based on the media on the external drive.
The library which is stored on the Id is a fraction of the size of the files themselves which are stored on the external drive.
You can use the laptop running MC basically as a remote to play the files from the Id and the external drive to your DAC.
You can also use JRemote, Gizmo, Eos, etc to also do the same thing.
This is mostly how I run at home. One IdNUC with all of my media on it and a bunch of IdPi's as renderers controlling the IdNUC with JRemote and occasionally MC on a PC.
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You can use the laptop running MC basically as a remote to play the files from the Id and the external drive to your DAC.
So are you saying that I can control Id with MC23 with the external HD (that has my music files) connected directly to my Id? Or do I need to use Panel?? I was under the impression that the external HD needed to be connected to my laptop and using the Id as a renderer for MC to be able to be used.
Also, it seems that MC needs to be on for Panel to work. Is that correct??
I'm getting my Id today, so some of these questions may be answered during setup, but I would like to configure as much as I can in advance. So again, what settings should I use in MC23?? Anything more than enabling DLNA?
BTW, thanks to you all for your help.Chances are I will be visiting a few more times in the next days until I get the Id set up, so thanks again in advance.
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You could learn more by reading the topic on Remotes on our wiki. But yes, you can use MC as a remote. Look at the Tremote section in the topic.
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The Id has a lot of flexibility.
You can connect the drive to it and use it as the place to serve and play music from
or
You can have the music attached to your laptop and just use the Id as a renderer.
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I'm trying to copy the library from MC to Id and having trouble.
I'm looking at Id's GUI menu, 'went to external media menu', 10-add, path to the share. I have no idea what this is, so I entered the //mycomputer/share. Next window- directory name on this machine (ie mynas) so I entered F:/music/ which is where my files are located. Answered the other questions, hit enter and FAILURE.
What am I doing wrong?
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I've just spent a couple of hours trying to set up the Id unsuccessfully.
The wiki instructions are obviously made for computer savvy people. I am not. I followed the instructions to the letter as best I could, but the setup is nothing like setups for any other component in my system. Very unfriendly for a non-computer expert.
I will call Monday for a RMA.
Too bad. I was really hoping this would work.
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Assuming you might give us a chance to help ...
Could you describe how you intend to use the Id? For example, you can connect it to a DAC and play to it from a PC. There are other possibilities, but we need to know what you want.
Have you read this?
https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id_Install_Guide
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I am trying to use MC23 to push music from my laptop thru the Id to my Oppo 205's USB/DAC input. The music files are on an external HD connected to my laptop.
All cables and a usb keyboard were connected.
I was able to get to the GUI page and was able to do updates.
I am not sure that Id is outputting thru the USB. MC shows the Oppo in Audio as the output.
Your instructions say-"Audio Devices-You can use your computer's browser to change the audio device that the Id will use. The choices are HDMI, Analog Out, and USB.-" I could not find this setting.
Perhaps I am better off using a 'streamer component'
The setup on the Id is too convoluted for me to follow, and the instructions are not clear enough for my non-computer-engineer mind to wrap around. Too many terms I'm not familiar with.
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You don't need to transfer any files to do that. Just find the Id under Playing Now and drag a few files to it. MC will play to it until you click on another device there.
The Id needs to be set to play to a DAC or receiver in MC's Audio settings. This is the same process for any version of MC. Make sure this works before attempting to use it as a network device.
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We have server problems at the moment and that has a higher priority.
Is it too early to ask the question again?
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Is it too early to ask the question again?
Good timing. I'm just testing a build for the IdNUC just now...
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Good timing. I'm just testing a build for the IdNUC just now...
WooHoo!
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Good timing. I'm just testing a build for the IdNUC just now...
Has that now been released Bob?
Got an email from the mail list this morning saying 54 is now the current build for MC.
an option 12 is doing nothing for me :'(
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I don't think it's out yet.
Bob is extremely cautious about Id buillds. We don't want to brick a lot of devices.
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I don't think it's out yet.
Bob is extremely cautious about Id buillds. We don't want to brick a lot of devices.
I'm sure he is and that's a good thing, but it doesn't help the impatience caused by reading about all the lovely new things available to everyone else!
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What version of mc24:should we be on?
I’m on 28and I don’t think it’s updating right when I do and update?
Id pi version
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The current build is 24.0.28
I've been testing 24.0.52 over the last week and it generally seems good but I did catch it glitching once (long halt) playing from an IdNuc to IdPi over wireless.
It's not certain that it's related to the version change but I want to test it more since this is a pretty huge change in the way MC works internally and I don't want to break existing setups.
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I notice that the Id (NUC) includes a license for Media Center -- presumably for Linux, which normally sells for $60 if bought on its own. If a master license includes Windows, Mac and Linux and costs $80, is there a way to pay the additional $20 in order to be able to use Media Center on my Windows machine as well?
Thanks in advance and sorry if this has already been clarified.
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I notice that the Id (NUC) includes a license for Media Center -- presumably for Linux, which normally sells for $60 if bought on its own. If a master license includes Windows, Mac and Linux and costs $80, is there a way to pay the additional $20 in order to be able to use Media Center on my Windows machine as well?
Thanks in advance and sorry if this has already been clarified.
An Id is a standalone licence deal. I'd expect that this is set out on its home page or wiki entry or similar.
While the Id is built on a Debian platform, it's separate from the Linux licence.
The Id has the advantage of requiring minimal user involvement, the compromise with that is that you invariably lose some of the configurability that the MC software offers. While they may appear to look and function in similar ways, there are some critical differences.
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I notice that the Id (NUC) includes a license for Media Center -- presumably for Linux, which normally sells for $60 if bought on its own. If a master license includes Windows, Mac and Linux and costs $80, is there a way to pay the additional $20 in order to be able to use Media Center on my Windows machine as well?
The Id license is separate comes only with the Id. You can't use it to purchase any other license as an upgrade.
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Ok, thanks.
That leads me to my next question --
Would I be able to use "Houseband" to control playback from the Id over Sonos speakers on my LAN?
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Ok, thanks.
That leads me to my next question --
Would I be able to use "Houseband" to control playback from the Id over Sonos speakers on my LAN?
If you're referring to the Amazon Alexa skill, I'm not sure. I can do some testing though.
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If you're referring to the Amazon Alexa skill, I'm not sure. I can do some testing though.
I would appreciate that. I don't want to buy anything before I know all of these products will mesh correctly. Thanks
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Hi,
I think one of the Id posts mentioned the Id provides both Samba and NFS support (This would be on a Pi B+)
What shares are exposed? For example, are the (watched) imported library directories exposed via NFS export and/or SAMBA? Also what version of NFS and SAMBA are implemented?
I would like to be able to both play via DLNA or via network drive to my OPPO 205, which I use as my renderer.
Thanks
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According to this page https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id the Id has a toslink audio out. Is that correct?
If I want to use the Id as a server with a tablet as the remote, will it still work if my computer is off? I am not familiar with networking.
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Hi,
I think one of the Id posts mentioned the Id provides both Samba and NFS support (This would be on a Pi B+)
What shares are exposed? For example, are the (watched) imported library directories exposed via NFS export and/or SAMBA? Also what version of NFS and SAMBA are implemented?
I would like to be able to both play via DLNA or via network drive to my OPPO 205, which I use as my renderer.
Thanks
The version of nfs-kernel-server is 1.2.8 on debian which supports nfs3 and 4.
The version of samba is 4.2.14
It exports both the internal media partition as well as any mounted external drive partitions. It does NOT export external mounted shares (since you could simple mount those much more effectively directly).
You should be able to play to your OPPO using both methods.
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According to this page https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id the Id has a toslink audio out. Is that correct?
If I want to use the Id as a server with a tablet as the remote, will it still work if my computer is off? I am not familiar with networking.
Yes, the IdNUC (not IdPi) has a toslink (optical out). To use it you will need an inexpensive 1/8" toslink adapter and a optical cable.
The Id is standalone. It doesn't need your computer to be a server if you are using any of our remote solutions.
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Hi,
I am working on setting up the Id as a stand alone headless music server and using JRemote to control it. I noticed the install guide said that it supports programs like VNC. Is it possible to connect remotely to the ID from my home computer to set it up, rather than connecting an additional keyboard and mouse. Would I have to install the remote connection program like VNC or Teamviewer on the Id itself to do this?
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Hi,
I am working on setting up the Id as a stand alone headless music server and using JRemote to control it. I noticed the install guide said that it supports programs like VNC. Is it possible to connect remotely to the ID from my home computer to set it up, rather than connecting an additional keyboard and mouse. Would I have to install the remote connection program like VNC or Teamviewer on the Id itself to do this?
You don't have to install anything on the Id. You can connect to it from another machine use VNC etc.
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I have even used the current version of Remote Desktop Connection (found in Start --> Windows Accessories) in Windows 10 to access the Id remotely. It works fine, and nothing to download, which is nice.
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Hi,
Can multiple outputs on the Id be active at the same time?
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Hi,
Can multiple outputs on the Id be active at the same time?
Outputs of what?
If it's being used as a server, there's no reason it can't serve to multiple client instances.
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Outputs of what?
If it's being used as a server, there's no reason it can't serve to multiple client instances.
Just wanted to confirm that audio can be sent to HDMI and analog outputs, as well as network simultaneously.
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Just wanted to confirm that audio can be sent to HDMI and analog outputs, as well as network simultaneously.
Sounds like you should swot up on Zones (https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Zones)
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Sounds like you should swot up on Zones (https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Zones)
I don't have an Id yet. I've been using MC for quite some time, but I would like to move away from the laptop and the Id looks perfect for my needs, and Zones may indeed be 1 way of dong it. Currently I have all my music on a NAS, and I would like to use the Id as a server for that music, connecting the hdmi out on the Id to my main multi-channel processor, and the analog out to another preamp and amp driving remote speakers. Before purchasing I just wanted to confirm I can use both of those audio outputs on the Id simultaneously.
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I would like to use the Id as a server for that music, connecting the hdmi out on the Id to my main multi-channel processor, and the analog out to another preamp and amp driving remote speakers. Before purchasing I just wanted to confirm I can use both of those audio outputs on the Id simultaneously.
This is not something I've got my Id or IdPi doing.
ZoneSync should be capable of doing what you require but I've not had consistent, reliable performance using it with MC for Windows. What I've found happen that ZoneSync sets up fine and functions fine. The issue is that following a shut down and / or restart, the setup details are lost. I'm sure I've passed this through but didn't get a reply that I recall. If I missed it, then silly me. Anyway, ZoneSync should offer you the function ... as long as it works.
If I'm missing something, then I'm sure that someone will come along and correct me. Happy (in advance) to get the update.
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Hi. Just bought an Id, wondered if the latest models can sleep and wake on LAN?
Also, will it serve flac files to a Chromecast, using JRemote?
Thanks!
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Does the case for the fully baked idpi come with a fan or heat sinks?
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It has a heat sink, no fan.
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Help! I'm pretty good with Windows but don't have a clue about Linux. I purchased a JRiver ID 2T and for the past week have been trying to move my music files to the internal hard drive on the ID. At the very least this piece of equipment needs an instruction manual!
I've been all over this forum looking for a simple answer and cannot find one. I've got the music on an external hard drive that is plugged in the usb port on the ID. The ID sees these files and I was able to download those files to the 'Main Library' on the ID but find that they are NOT stored on the ID hard drive but remain on the external drive - not what I want.
Found a post the instructed me to use 'Rename Move and Copy' tool but it doesn't move the file (using another 'Library' directory) to the ID hard drive. When I load the other Library there are no files there. There is no error message so no hint of what might be wrong.
Can someone let me know in layman terms how to accomplish moving files to the ID internal drive? I'd appreciate the help. I really want this to work. Thanks, John
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Did you find the Install Guide?
You can copy and paste from an external drive to the Id's drive by using a Windows machine and opening the Id as a network drive. Search for Samba problems with that if you're using Win10.
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How do I add/remove columns in the IdPi display? In the windows version, I right click in the column header and get a menu. On the IDPI, when I right click, it makes that column #1 in the sort and/or changes sort direction.
Or is there a manual to Linux version behavior somewhere? I am deeply familiar with the windows version, but this is baffling me.
TIA,
Mike
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Never mind, I found it. Difficult to use, though via remote connection.
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problem 1: I grouped two zones, but cannot find any way to UNGROUP! How do I do that? (a search of the forum returns no response to multiple searches around this issue).
problem 2: After grouping the zones (the player and a sonos in another room - incidentally, the sonos would NOT play), and being unable to ungroup, I rebooted the system. Now, I cannot access MC in GUI mode. It shows at the bottom of the screen, but will NOT display. Going into headless text, I can see it, but only about 1/4 of the screen. Setting the view to 50% only shrinks the display area, not the displayed screen.
PLEASE HELP! Do I have to kill the whole thing and start again from scratch?
Mike
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OK, the display is solved. Took five reboots, switching back and forth from headless to gui, but I now have a readable display again.
However, I still can't figure out how to get rid of the group, and return to being able to see just the player itself. Do I have to delete the local zone? If I do that, do I need to re-configure, or will it re-appear as a single zone on a reboot?
TIA,
Mike
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Hi,
Sorry if parts of the questions below have been answered somewhere, in which case please redirect.
Currently I have JRiver on MacBook Air, which is connected via Wifi to my home network, which in turn feeds an SOTM via Ethernet for glorious music! However, for several reasons including the fact that my MacBook goes through the dreaded sudden mute (googled, no help besides voodoo), would rather free up my MacBook and darn it, I have been so restrained and good about hifi shopping, am seriously considering the Idpi. I would like to use it as a server (music on USB hard drive) connected by Ethernet into my network and then on to the SOTM.
Questions:
1. If I buy the Idpi, does the JRiver license that comes with it become a “package” with my existing Mac JRiver. Sort of a universal license?
2. Will it open up all the DSP options currently not usable with this configuration?
3. Is JRemote the best way to control this or will my JRiver on Mac “see” the new device.
4. Will the proposed JRiver 25 upgrade come free with the pi if I buy now?
Vivek
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The license is separate, so it's not free with another upgrade. But upgrades have so far been free on the Id. DSP is the same on the Id version. Any copy of MC on the network could see the Id and play to it or from it.
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problem 1: I grouped two zones, but cannot find any way to UNGROUP! How do I do that? (a search of the forum returns no response to multiple searches around this issue).
problem 2: After grouping the zones (the player and a sonos in another room - incidentally, the sonos would NOT play), and being unable to ungroup, I rebooted the system. Now, I cannot access MC in GUI mode. It shows at the bottom of the screen, but will NOT display. Going into headless text, I can see it, but only about 1/4 of the screen. Setting the view to 50% only shrinks the display area, not the displayed screen.
PLEASE HELP! Do I have to kill the whole thing and start again from scratch?
Mike
Headless text mode should give you a 1920x1080 size display using VNC or remote desktop. If you don't get that, try tigervnc, it seems to work best.
Booting into GUI mode WITH a monitor connected upon boot also will show a 1920x1080 screen in RDP/VNC.
Most DLNA device zones cannot be linked together successfully, the differing hardware is too non-deterministic in it's response to commands.
To unlink a linked zone pair, right-click on the link and do unlink.
If you don't get a right-click menu on the link there is a issue with your rdp/vnc client.
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Id NUC 5 mostly problem free but keeps dropping USB connection to DAC for no obvious reason. Can run 'audio device' from hw: and front: but drop outs occur on both. Sometimes will play for hours with no problem, sometimes 20 minutes. Any thoughts?
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Id NUC 5 mostly problem free but keeps dropping USB connection to DAC for no obvious reason. Can run 'audio device' from hw: and front: but drop outs occur on both. Sometimes will play for hours with no problem, sometimes 20 minutes. Any thoughts?
Try a different port or cable. The rear ports have more power IIRC.
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Tried that. It looks as if it tends to happen when I switch a track. Sometimes the connection can be re-established by simply unplugging the USB and putting it back in. Sometimes only a complete shutdown and restart solves it.
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Tried that. It looks as if it tends to happen when I switch a track. Sometimes the connection can be re-established by simply unplugging the USB and putting it back in. Sometimes only a complete shutdown and restart solves it.
Interesting.
What I'd try next would be a different USB cable, then if still no luck, inserting a USB hub into the picture.
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tried a different cable - same issue.
What's the thinking on the USB hub - presumably linking NUC usb output via hub to Benchmark DAC input...
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tried a different cable - same issue.
What's the thinking on the USB hub - presumably linking NUC usb output via hub to Benchmark DAC input...
Just that the inserting the hub into the chain changes how the controller on the NUC talks to the DAC.
There is still a bit of black magic in the USB world.
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Interested in setting the Id as part of music system. Ideally headless for daily use, touchscreen control, USB or Coax connection to outboard DAC, music on a NAS.
Experienced with JRiver on Mac; using now to manage the library and Sonos as the renderer.
So, are there any good threads/wikis/instructions/ on how to set this up? Not seeing anything very direct on the forums.
Thanks!
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Interested in setting the Id as part of music system. Ideally headless for daily use, touchscreen control, USB or Coax connection to outboard DAC, music on a NAS.
Experienced with JRiver on Mac; using now to manage the library and Sonos as the renderer.
So, are there any good threads/wikis/instructions/ on how to set this up? Not seeing anything very direct on the forums.
Thanks!
You can find some information on the wiki here: https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id_Install_Guide
There is some information about mounting a NAS here: https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,95376.msg657083.html#msg657083
The Id is mostly ready to go when it arrives, aside from connecting it and some configuring. You'll either need to have a monitor connected to it and boot the Id in GUI mode or connect to it remotely to do the Media Center configuration, like choosing the audio device and setting output options in DSP studio. Because you're using a USB DAC, when selecting the audio device, you will likely see multiple instances of the DAC in the device list. You may need to try multiple options to find the right one, but you probably want to start with options that begin with 'hw:' which lets the DAC handle the conversion.
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Bob: I've tried changing cables and I'm now trying via a usb hub - I'll let you know how I get on. But I also had another RTFM moment and the Benchmark talks about setting up usb 1.1 or 2.0 and how it's been tested for compatibility with Windows and Mac - no mention of Linux. Windows requires drivers for 2.0, Mac works out of the box. Could this be the source of the problem........
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Bob: I've tried changing cables and I'm now trying via a usb hub - I'll let you know how I get on. But I also had another RTFM moment and the Benchmark talks about setting up usb 1.1 or 2.0 and how it's been tested for compatibility with Windows and Mac - no mention of Linux. Windows requires drivers for 2.0, Mac works out of the box. Could this be the source of the problem........
Most of them just work out of the box with no drivers on linux.
Can you run function 10 on the Id menu (show audio information) take a pic and attach it here please?
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screenshot attached. Also heard back from Benchmark that they've not encountered any issues using NUC with their DAC.
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screenshot attached. Also heard back from Benchmark that they've not encountered any issues using NUC with their DAC.
That looks good.
I'm starting to run out of ideas.
From your previous messages I see you tried front: and hw: devices which is correct.
Is it possible there is a device power issue?
Does the DAC have a separate power input?
If not perhaps there is an issue with your NUC PS?
Do you have auto-import running with an external drive connected? If so can you remove that import path temporarily to see if that makes a difference?
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The DAC has its own power supply - it works as a preamp.
I've got the 2TB version of the NUC, using internal media for playback.
I can play from other drives to the NUC via the network and can play from the NUC to other devices elsewhere on the network. It's just the local playback from Id to DAC that seems to be an issue.
Auto import never set.
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The DAC has its own power supply - it works as a preamp.
I've got the 2TB version of the NUC, using internal media for playback.
I can play from other drives to the NUC via the network and can play from the NUC to other devices elsewhere on the network. It's just the local playback from Id to DAC that seems to be an issue.
Auto import never set.
Ok, for comparison, can you try playing the same material to the built-in analog or hdmi output? You can just create a new zone, i.e. Analog and change the audio settings to use the hw:CARD=PCH,DEV=0 device?
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Bob: Did that. The headphone/optical port lit up red and headphones played no prob.
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Bob: What I actually did was just switch the audio device setting - didn't bother to create new zone.
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Bob: And I've now followed your original instructions and added a zone called Analog. I've got Player zone streaming Radio Paradise - DAC indicates 16 bits and 44.1 being received. Have got the Analog zone playing ournas files to headphones. All playing steadily for past 30 minutes.
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Bob: And just now both zones stopped playing. The DAC shows the USB connection has dropped. The Analog zone starts again on command. Not so the USB. (I notice there was a .dsf file in the playlist when the playback stopped but that's coincidental I think.) Disconnect and reconnect the USB, select a new M4A track and it plays fine alongside the continuing Analog stream.
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Does the IdPi support external drives formatted to exFat file system? I'm having trouble getting a drive to show up in the menus.
Yes, if it's the version running MC23 or newer.
How large is the drive? Is it partitioned with MBR or GUID?
Do you have an external power supply on the drive? The IdPi has pretty limited power through the USB bus capability.
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Bob: And just now both zones stopped playing. The DAC shows the USB connection has dropped. The Analog zone starts again on command. Not so the USB. (I notice there was a .dsf file in the playlist when the playback stopped but that's coincidental I think.) Disconnect and reconnect the USB, select a new M4A track and it plays fine alongside the continuing Analog stream.
Were you playing both zones at the same time?
Will the .dsf file play (are DSP studio settings such that it will get converted to something your devices can handle)?
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yep, both zones were playing. the .dsf is an oddity - shouldn't have been there. I've left DSP output off while we've been experimenting the last 24 hours
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yep, both zones were playing. the .dsf is an oddity - shouldn't have been there. I've left DSP output off while we've been experimenting the last 24 hours
I'm thinking it would have stopped on that track and popped up a "can't play" box depending on whether you are booted into text mode or gui mode. In text mode the message box is skipped but it still might stop playback.
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possible. I've left it playing in the background to see what happens. It's early days but it seems more stable. Would activating the optical out have made that kind of difference?
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possible. I've left it playing in the background to see what happens. It's early days but it seems more stable. Would activating the optical out have made that kind of difference?
I'm not sure, but I don't think so.
What we are trying to do with this testing is to find out if the problem is due to a Id configuration or hardware issue vs the external device as an issue.
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for what it's worth I stream from two other devices to the DAC with no issues but they're not usb connections
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Does ipdi work with exFat filesystem over external USB drive?
I'm having difficulty getting a couple drives to show up, and want to check in before I reformat and recopy to a different file system. I'm running the latest version.
[Edit: Yes! I must have made a mistake in the original disk formating. I reformatted the drive and now it works.]
[Edit: The first time I formatted the disk, I used the linux command mkfs.exfat -- this drive didn't show up. However, the second time I formatted the disk, I used a Windows 10 machine to format the disk. This time it worked and showed up as external storage on the IdPi. Strange, I probably just don't know how to use mkfs.exfat correctly yet]
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for what it's worth I stream from two other devices to the DAC with no issues but they're not usb connections
It narrows down the possibilities some. It means there isn't an issue on the audio hardware side of the DAC.
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I'm having trouble getting a 200G exFAT formatted USB drive to be recognized by my IdPi. Any suggestions?
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Is the drive externally powered? Did you find instructions here?
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It is a microSDXC 200G with a USB adapter formatted exFAT.
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I can get a 16G thumb drive to work perfectly. The 200G with adapter works fine in my Win10 machine.
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...the adapter works fine with FAT32 formatted microSD cards 1G and 32G...
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The drive needs to have external power. You could do a Google search on power limitations on the Pi.
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It is a microSDXC 200G with a USB adapter formatted exFAT.
Was it formatted in Win 10?
Is the partition table MBR or GUID?
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I formatted the card as NTFS and the IdPi found it and was able to start an import. However, after a few seconds MC just disappeared. I removed the card, used menu "77" to reset and rebooted. Now, no matter what I do every time I boot MC just closes down (disappears) after 10 to 30 seconds - even if I do nothing with the GUI.
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Bad files, perhaps?
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But even if I remove the media MC still disappears after a few seconds, even if i do nothing...
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But even if I remove the media MC still disappears after a few seconds, even if i do nothing...
Did you configure a NAS share on the Id as well?
Is your network connection wired?
You could try pulling the ethernet cable and see if it stops disappearing which would indicate a problematic device on the network.
What build of MC is it running?
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team -- about to place an order for a second Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+. Currently controlled via Win 10 computer with MC 24. Music and library are located on a separate NAS.
Do I understand correctly that, even though he B+ has no storage, I can use the B+ as both a server and DLNA renderer? in other words, using a Windows remote desktop to the B+'s MC 24, I can connect the B+ directly with the NAS content/library? My plan would be to access/ control via Remote Desktop and/or JRemote ...
I'm simply trying to unburden my PC from JR media traffic (and, then-therefore, by-pass the need for additional tools such as Audiophile Optimizer, Fidelizer). Alternatively, I may have to order a larger version of the ID with memory, etc.
Thanks very much for your thoughts/responses ...
emcee2
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team -- about to place an order for a second Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+. Currently controlled via Win 10 computer with MC 24. Music and library are located on a separate NAS.
Do I understand correctly that, even though he B+ has no storage, I can use the B+ as both a server and DLNA renderer? in other words, using a Windows remote desktop to the B+'s MC 24, I can connect the B+ directly with the NAS content/library? My plan would be to access/ control via Remote Desktop and/or JRemote ...
I'm simply trying to unburden my PC from JR media traffic (and, then-therefore, by-pass the need for additional tools such as Audiophile Optimizer, Fidelizer). Alternatively, I may have to order a larger version of the ID with memory, etc.
Thanks very much for your thoughts/responses ...
emcee2
Yes.
You use the diskmenu on the Id to add a file share from your NAS and import the files on there into your library on the Id (the files stay on the NAS, only a library of information is built from them).
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Bob: couple of things to add to the list. Losing the usb stream from the Id (evidenced by the DAC's light going from steady to flashing) seems to occur when I'm playing from a stock smart list (recently imported, say) and choosing a track elsewhere in the library. I haven't played enough to be sure this always happens but, for sure, it's less likely to happen if I just leave everything alone once playback has started....
Sometimes, if I simply unplug the usb from the Id and plug it in to another Id usb slot (having stopped playback) the DAC registers a good connection again....
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thnx Bob for the quick turnaround
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Did you configure a NAS share on the Id as well?
Is your network connection wired?
You could try pulling the ethernet cable and see if it stops disappearing which would indicate a problematic device on the network.
What build of MC is it running?
No wired network currently.
No NAS share.
Current build. Just updated to see if it would help but it didn't.
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Bob: couple of things to add to the list. Losing the usb stream from the Id (evidenced by the DAC's light going from steady to flashing) seems to occur when I'm playing from a stock smart list (recently imported, say) and choosing a track elsewhere in the library. I haven't played enough to be sure this always happens but, for sure, it's less likely to happen if I just leave everything alone once playback has started....
Sometimes, if I simply unplug the usb from the Id and plug it in to another Id usb slot (having stopped playback) the DAC registers a good connection again....
This is starting to sound like a memory or other hardware issue with the Id.
If you download the repair/update stick, there is a memory test on it you could try.
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No wired network currently.
No NAS share.
Current build. Just updated to see if it would help but it didn't.
Could you temporarily take it off of the network (connect a keyboard and monitor and run option 13 then disconnect the network) and see if it stops MC from going down and back up?
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MC disappears after 15 seconds or so. I Turned off the Wifi using option 13 and got "The wicd daemon has shut down. The UI will not function properly until it is restarted." Took nearly a minute before MC disappeared this time. The boot seems to take a lot longer now than it used to...
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I think we are on the right track. This latest reboot has allowed me to import all of the 5992 files on the USB micSD card. Six+ minutes so far with no disappearing MC. So that I might be able to do self support in the future, what do you think was wrong? Thanks!
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Bob: I've just checked your instructions on using Rufus. Is rufus-3.4.exe the correct download? I'm on a Mac using Windows 10 via VMWare.
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Bob: I've just checked your instructions on using Rufus. Is rufus-3.4.exe the correct download? I'm on a Mac using Windows 10 via VMWare.
Does the VMWare windows instance have access to the USB ports for raw memory stick writing?
Seems like this might be an easier way:
http://osxdaily.com/2018/01/11/write-img-to-sd-card-mac-etcher/
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I think we are on the right track. This latest reboot has allowed me to import all of the 5992 files on the USB micSD card. Six+ minutes so far with no disappearing MC. So that I might be able to do self support in the future, what do you think was wrong? Thanks!
Is sounds like there is a DLNA device on your network that's causing issues.
Can you list the DLNA devices on your network?
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Hi Bob. I've left a toslink connection playing Id to DAC for the last 4 hours, and fired up the usb connection an hour ago - all stable so far in spite of some chopping and changing of playlist selection.
DLNA list: Squeezeboxes - 2 x Boom, 1 Duet, 1 Radio
Sonos: Playbar, Woofer, 2 x D1, 3 x D5
Robinson Radio
Synology NAS x 2
Etcher app looks good - I just have to find an SD card.....
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Bob: apologies for dlna list - mixed up messages
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and etcher works fine on usb sticks
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And the usb connection to the DAC just dropped out. The desktop gui shows tracks still playing but no audio out. Unplug the usb and plug it back in, and the DAC shows live connection but the playback on the gui has stopped. Hit the play button, the connection drops again but the gui shows as playing. Hit the stop playing button. Plug the usb connection into a different socket on the id, shows connected, hit the play button the gui, connection drops. Optical connection still playing fine all through.
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And the usb connection to the DAC just dropped out. The desktop gui shows tracks still playing but no audio out. Unplug the usb and plug it back in, and the DAC shows live connection but the playback on the gui has stopped. Hit the play button, the connection drops again but the gui shows as playing. Hit the stop playing button. Plug the usb connection into a different socket on the id, shows connected, hit the play button the gui, connection drops. Optical connection still playing fine all through.
When the USB DAC device drops out of ALSA, the audio configuration in MC automatically drops back to the default device for that zone so you'd probably need to reselect the DAC in MC's audio options.
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Confirmation please ...
MC24 on Win 10 computer as a DLNA server (zone=player). Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+ serving as a headless renderer (zone=office). Control of B+ via 'player' and direct access to B+ via Remote Desktop. Works great !!!
I have read many times that, although the B+ can function as a DLNA server (as well as a renderer), the B+ canNOT provide streaming. Got it. The B+ canNOT initiate streams. However, I cannot get my PC-MC24-server-based streams to play through my B+ renderer into the "office" zone.
Questions ...
1) Is that expected behavior -- that, when you said that the B+ cannot handle streaming, you really, realy meant it ;-) ?
... that for any 'zone' for which you want to 'share' streams from a central MC24 control point, I need a dedicated PC (or, in all events, something more powerful that my B+)? or,
2) Do I just require a larger and more powerful Id? or,
3) Am I doing something wrong?
thanx! for the continued support and patience ....
emcee2
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Confirmation please ...
MC24 on Win 10 computer as a DLNA server (zone=player). Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+ serving as a headless renderer (zone=office). Control of B+ via 'player' and direct access to B+ via Remote Desktop. Works great !!!
I have read many times that, although the B+ can function as a DLNA server (as well as a renderer), the B+ canNOT provide streaming. Got it. The B+ canNOT initiate streams. However, I cannot get my PC-MC24-server-based streams to play through my B+ renderer into the "office" zone.
Questions ...
1) Is that expected behavior -- that, when you said that the B+ cannot handle streaming, you really, realy meant it ;-) ?
... that for any 'zone' for which you want to 'share' streams from a central MC24 control point, I need a dedicated PC (or, in all events, something more powerful that my B+)? or,
2) Do I just require a larger and more powerful Id? or,
3) Am I doing something wrong?
thanx! for the continued support and patience ....
emcee2
You office zone in general should be set to Original Format for the DLNA server on the Win10 MC.
Streams may or may not play. It depends on the stream. If they are playing back in a browser windows (like Radio Swiss ...) it will not play in a remote zone.
What type of stream(s) are you trying to play?
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thanx! Bob ...
DLNA in both the PC MC and the B+ renderer are set to "Original" -- is that OK?
The only streams I am playing with right now are audio streams from the MC24 "Streaming" main tab with the 19 tile links of which most are audio 'stations.' So, for example, RadioTunes or Soma or DI or podcasts.
Should these streams work through the Id B+ on the remote system? (not including streams playing back in a browser window)
What are the characteristics of the type of audio streams ('stations') should I be seeking to work with/through the B+?
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thanx! Bob ...
DLNA in both the PC MC and the B+ renderer are set to "Original" -- is that OK?
The only streams I am playing with right now are audio streams from the MC24 "Streaming" main tab with the 19 tile links of which most are audio 'stations.' So, for example, RadioTunes or Soma or DI or podcasts.
Should these streams work through the Id B+ on the remote system? (not including streams playing back in a browser window)
What are the characteristics of the type of audio streams ('stations') should I be seeking to work with/through the B+?
As far as I know the Radio JRiver and Radio Paradise are the streams that should work.
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Bob: I parked the drop out problem and converted the NUC to wireless but that proved v.problematic/slow but now I'm struggling to get it back to wired setup in spite of numerous attempts. Is there a fail safe way to achieve that as a first step and then I can get back to running the repair attempt...
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Bob: I parked the drop out problem and converted the NUC to wireless but that proved v.problematic/slow but now I'm struggling to get it back to wired setup in spite of numerous attempts. Is there a fail safe way to achieve that as a first step and then I can get back to running the repair attempt...
Hi Michael,
Run the network manager either in text or gui mode and go to the wireless network CONFIG and unclick the checkbox "automatically connect"
You can also set the default profile CONFIG to "use as default profile"
If you are doing this in text mode be sure to hit S for save.
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Bob: Struggling with this. 'Could not connect to wicd's D-Bus interface': error message got when trying to open the network manager. Also tried running the repair but couldn't get it started with the F10 key.
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Bob: Struggling with this. 'Could not connect to wicd's D-Bus interface': error message got when trying to open the network manager. Also tried running the repair but couldn't get it started with the F10 key.
Not sure about the wicd issue.
As for the repair, have you reset the bios settings to the Id defaults? (NOT bios defaults)
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,110326.msg826271.html#msg826271
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Hello, when I download a new music album (e.g. from HDTracks) I import it into Media Center on my Win10 laptop, edit the tags, etc. if necessary, and then copy the folder across my LAN to the internal drive in my NUC Id. A few minutes later the new album will show in Gizmo. Well, that's how it used to work, but no longer. (I ran option 12 to get the latest version of MC on my Id.) Can you help please?
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Hello, when I download a new music album (e.g. from HDTracks) I import it into Media Center on my Win10 laptop, edit the tags, etc. if necessary, and then copy the folder across my LAN to the internal drive in my NUC Id. A few minutes later the new album will show in Gizmo. Well, that's how it used to work, but no longer. (I ran option 12 to get the latest version of MC on my Id.) Can you help please?
Check to make sure that there are still watch folders configured (Tools -> Import -> Configure Auto-Import). If it's empty, you'll need to set up the folders to watch again.
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Bob: back on the case here. Have managed to get the Id operating again although it's come back with a new Access Key.
The dropping of the USB connection remains an issue so I'm going to start over with downloading/installing repair program.
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Bob: back on the case here. Have managed to get the Id operating again although it's come back with a new Access Key.
The dropping of the USB connection remains an issue so I'm going to start over with downloading/installing repair program.
The linux version tends to get new access keys on the smallest of changes. If you wanted to keep an old one you can restore a backup and choose to restore settings as well when you do that...
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Hi Bob - thanks for sending back the Id. FYI, I replaced the Id with a mac mini running JRiver 25 to make sure there was no issue with the DAC itself - worked perfectly, no dropping the usb connection during a 12 hour run. So it doesn't appear that there's any issue with the DAC or usb cable which maybe suggests there's something 'different' about the Id's response within the setup. Stopping playback and reconnecting the usb cable to the Id usually seems to get it going again. It also looks as if the drop off is more likely triggered if I'm making selection changes on the gui. I use a Naim streamer and a Chromecast on the DAC with S/PDIF and optical connections without any playback issue as well but for testing purposes I run the Id with nothing else connected to the DAC. One comment I had back from Benchmark was to make sure the OS is not set to turn off USB port to save power - don't remember seeing that option?
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Reading your thread it reminds me of issues I had with the Id and my Project DacBox DS2 Ultra which initially wouldn't play the Id via USB. Project then sent me upgraded firmware which let the USB output work with the Id but with numerous issues including spurious muting of the DAC during playback which could only be un-muted by turning off the Id and then re powering the DAC and getting another source playing through the DAC before restarting the Id. This went on for months until eventually Project upgraded the firmware yet again which fixed all of the issues that I experienced. Just a thought, have you confirmed with Benchmark that you have the latest firmware and USB settings for your DAC?
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Hi Bob - thanks for sending back the Id. FYI, I replaced the Id with a mac mini running JRiver 25 to make sure there was no issue with the DAC itself - worked perfectly, no dropping the usb connection during a 12 hour run. So it doesn't appear that there's any issue with the DAC or usb cable which maybe suggests there's something 'different' about the Id's response within the setup. Stopping playback and reconnecting the usb cable to the Id usually seems to get it going again. It also looks as if the drop off is more likely triggered if I'm making selection changes on the gui. I use a Naim streamer and a Chromecast on the DAC with S/PDIF and optical connections without any playback issue as well but for testing purposes I run the Id with nothing else connected to the DAC. One comment I had back from Benchmark was to make sure the OS is not set to turn off USB port to save power - don't remember seeing that option?
I would check the firmware as HS12 says. There could be something that just works differently in Linux since the audio driver stack is completely different in Mac.
The Id OS won't disable USB and it won't sleep the ports (unless you perhaps modified the bios config). Still it played out the USB to a Dac for a week here.
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Bob, HS12, thanks for the feedback. Benchmark confirm that the DAC has latest firmware. As noted earlier, playback from other devices via usb and other inputs is problem free. I just tried it again. First had to re-insert DAC connection into a different usb socket ( the other one dropped as soon as I hit the play button). Started a playlist and then kept selecting next track. Worked fine for about six selections then dropped the connection. If I just let the playlist run without interference it might go for an hour or two or much less. It's difficult to identify the exact cause of the problem.
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If the Id is powering your DAC, you may need a better power supply.
https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/power/README.md
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The Benchmark DAC has its own power supply Jim.
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Is anything else plugged into the USB ports on the Pi? Power is weak on the Pi.
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It's a NUC Jim. It's connected to monitor, keyboard and mouse some of the time while I'm troubleshooting but that's all.
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Sorry. Have you tried different ports on the NUC? Depending on the model, some may be USB 2.0 and some USB 3.0.
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I've tried them all in the past but am having another go at them now. The Benchmark is set to manage 2.0 or 3.0.
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Another couple of thoughts: -
In tools/options/audio device have you tried different usb sound card options?
On the Benchmark DAC have you experimented swapping between USB 1.1 and USB 2.0 modes to see what happens?
USB
Selects USB input.
Press and hold the USB button for 3 seconds to toggle between the USB 1.1 and USB 2.0 modes.
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Yep, been through them all. I've now connected via optical and so far it's entirely stable, no matter how much chopping and changing I do on the gui. In USB mode, the Benchmark recognises the stream's sample rate etc, plays for a while (sometimes a little, sometimes a lot) and then connection drops. It happens much more quickly if I start selecting tracks or moving through a playlist.
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Both my friend and I are using the Id NUC as the core of our Hi Fi. In both systems we have our music stored on WD MyCloud NAS drives connected by ethernet to a network switch and the Id connected to the switch by ethernet. We have different DAC's, mine being the Project DS2 Ultra which initially had firmware issues on USB, but those are mainly resolved, but not perfect and my friend uses a Hegel HD30 which is totally stable and issue free on USB.
There is however a difference in how our network switches are connected to the internet. Mine is connected by ethernet directly to the router and my friend has his connected via an airport express wireless connection to the router.
Initially my friend kept suffering dropouts. This was eventually resolved by moving the airport express directly over the router so it had the strongest signal and using a long ethernet cable from the airport to the switch.
This resolved the dropout issue. One can assume that these observations that an unstable internet connection severely affects the network that the Id is trying to play through.
I hope this helps.
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In my case, the Id holds the music files and the connection is direct to the DAC - either USB (the problematic one) or Optical. In all other respects, the Id functions correctly.
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I think it is indicating that the Benchmark DAC firmware as it stands is not currently comfortable with the Id USB connection if the optical plays fine without glitches and drop outs. This was how my project DAC was pre firmware updates.
I initially tore my hair out with my issues but I am so pleased that I persevered with the Id and tweaked the storage, network, power supplies and cabling to now have a playback system that now equals or totally out performs major manufacturers' propriety digital playback systems I have auditioned, without breaking the bank.
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Indeed!
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... I am so pleased that I persevered with the Id and tweaked the storage, network, power supplies and cabling to now have a playback system that now equals or totally out performs major manufacturers' propriety digital playback systems I have auditioned, without breaking the bank.
That's nice to hear. Thanks!
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Apologies if this has been asked and answered before but why would I buy the Id over installing windows MC on a DIY or pre-built NUC? I am looking to leave it on the whole time to act as a library server for other instances of MC both on the network and remotely. Any views appreciated.
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I can only give a view from my own experience. As a UK user of the Id NUC6AYH 120GB SSD after a lot of experimentation and comparison in my system with a number of “propriety” hi-end solutions I found they all had issues with various levels of noise and did not improve much on playing via JRiver through my MacBook Pro.
I purchased the Id (and yes it will be stuck in customs whilst the import duty is determined) and put a few testing tracks on the internal hard drive to carry an A-B comparison with my MBP. Straight away the noise levels were noticeably absent (as I had hoped by having an operating system only doing the bare minimum) so then experiments started to find where to store the music externally.
Firstly USB 2 spinning drive – not as focussed as internal.
Then USB 2 SSD – bass not as controlled as internal.
Then USB 3 SSD – undetectable difference from internal.
Then NAS WDMycloud EX2 4TB ultra Raid0 Cat5e Ethernet – noise coming back into system but easier to back up and control library.
Then upgraded to CAT8 cables NAS-Switch and Switch to Id – Undetectable difference between NAS or Internal.
Just another note about noise – try and filter or isolate switch mode power supplies from your hi-fi mains feed circuits.
I hope this helps
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Hi there,
I am considering the id for my home setup but I'd need some help clarifying if it's adapted to my needs, because I struggle to understand what ID does, and reading through a few pages of this thread ended up confusing me a bit.
Currently I have a Synology NAS on which I store music and videos. From this NAS I shared directories as network drives on my desktop PC (Windows 10) running JRiver Media Center 25. JRiver's Library points to those network drives to access files.
From that point, I have a DAC plugged in as USB output of my PC which then feeds my speakers.
This has a couple of disadvantages: Whenever I want to listen to my music, I need to turn on the PC. And if I want to listen my music on the go, I need to keep the PC powered on so that it can run Media Server.
What I would like to have:
-A small device that stays connected to the NAS and is able to "read" files from the NAS hard drives.
-This small device would be accessible from my JRiver Media Center on PC as a library of some sort. I would be able to keep managing playlists, renaming files and so on from my JRiver Media Center, same as I currently do. The small device would simply send the files to my JRiver Media Center on PC, and the PC would be the one decoding the files and sending them to the DAC.
-Small device would stay always on and would hopefully allow me to stream my audio files to JRemote, so that I can listen to my music while outside on my phone for example.
-Small device being always on would also allow me to access music from other receivers at home (little wifi speakers maybe for example)
Could JRiver ID be the "small device" of this scenario ?
As a secondary question, my JRiver Library is currently on a Local hard drive on my PC. If the ID is working the way I hope it does, how would I transfer the library from my Windows PC to JRiver ID on Linux ? Would there be any need for file conversions/file path edition, and are there tools to help this transition?
Thanks for your help.
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Hi there,
I am considering the id for my home setup but I'd need some help clarifying if it's adapted to my needs, because I struggle to understand what ID does, and reading through a few pages of this thread ended up confusing me a bit.
Currently I have a Synology NAS on which I store music and videos. From this NAS I shared directories as network drives on my desktop PC (Windows 10) running JRiver Media Center 25. JRiver's Library points to those network drives to access files.
From that point, I have a DAC plugged in as USB output of my PC which then feeds my speakers.
This has a couple of disadvantages: Whenever I want to listen to my music, I need to turn on the PC. And if I want to listen my music on the go, I need to keep the PC powered on so that it can run Media Server.
What I would like to have:
-A small device that stays connected to the NAS and is able to "read" files from the NAS hard drives.
-This small device would be accessible from my JRiver Media Center on PC as a library of some sort. I would be able to keep managing playlists, renaming files and so on from my JRiver Media Center, same as I currently do. The small device would simply send the files to my JRiver Media Center on PC, and the PC would be the one decoding the files and sending them to the DAC.
-Small device would stay always on and would hopefully allow me to stream my audio files to JRemote, so that I can listen to my music while outside on my phone for example.
-Small device being always on would also allow me to access music from other receivers at home (little wifi speakers maybe for example)
Could JRiver ID be the "small device" of this scenario ?
As a secondary question, my JRiver Library is currently on a Local hard drive on my PC. If the ID is working the way I hope it does, how would I transfer the library from my Windows PC to JRiver ID on Linux ? Would there be any need for file conversions/file path edition, and are there tools to help this transition?
Thanks for your help.
Yes, the Id can work for this scenario. In this case, the best option is probably to use the Id as the server, so you would have the library on the Id and connect the DAC to the Id. The Id would be taking the place of the desktop PC and the desktop pc can be used as a client instead. The Id is low power and stable, so you can leave it running so the library is always accessible. You can mount the network drives from the NAS on the Id so it has access to those files. Any instance of Media Center on your network will show the Id as a zone, so you can play to it from any client. However, regarding your second question, transfering a library from a Windows machine to the Id is very difficult and messy. It requires a lot of manual editting because of the Windows to Linux change, so I don't recommend it. It would be best to just recreate the library on the Id. You can still do all the playlist and file management in Media Center with the library on the Id.
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Hi there,
I am considering the id for my home setup but I'd need some help clarifying if it's adapted to my needs, because I struggle to understand what ID does, and reading through a few pages of this thread ended up confusing me a bit.
Currently I have a Synology NAS on which I store music and videos. From this NAS I shared directories as network drives on my desktop PC (Windows 10) running JRiver Media Center 25. JRiver's Library points to those network drives to access files.
From that point, I have a DAC plugged in as USB output of my PC which then feeds my speakers.
This has a couple of disadvantages: Whenever I want to listen to my music, I need to turn on the PC. And if I want to listen my music on the go, I need to keep the PC powered on so that it can run Media Server.
What I would like to have:
-A small device that stays connected to the NAS and is able to "read" files from the NAS hard drives.
-This small device would be accessible from my JRiver Media Center on PC as a library of some sort. I would be able to keep managing playlists, renaming files and so on from my JRiver Media Center, same as I currently do. The small device would simply send the files to my JRiver Media Center on PC, and the PC would be the one decoding the files and sending them to the DAC.
-Small device would stay always on and would hopefully allow me to stream my audio files to JRemote, so that I can listen to my music while outside on my phone for example.
-Small device being always on would also allow me to access music from other receivers at home (little wifi speakers maybe for example)
Could JRiver ID be the "small device" of this scenario ?
As a secondary question, my JRiver Library is currently on a Local hard drive on my PC. If the ID is working the way I hope it does, how would I transfer the library from my Windows PC to JRiver ID on Linux ? Would there be any need for file conversions/file path edition, and are there tools to help this transition?
Thanks for your help.
I have a similar set up to what you describe, Synology NAS with mirrored drives that stores all my media files.
I used to have a NUC Id running MC that acted as my Library server, and also acted as a renderer for music playing in the lounge. Due to the limitations of the ID version of MC and that it lacked the bells and whistles of the Windows version, I bought a more powerful version of the NUC installed Win 10 on it and MC. I’m really pleased with the performance I have. I also have 2 IdPi’s in other rooms with HAT DAC’s that are used in other rooms. Both of which use the NUC as the Library server.
For ripping music, I use my normal Windows PC running MC25, it has its own MC library, but uses the same audio directories on the NAS. When I rip and tag the audio in this way the NUC picks the new files up within a few minutes and they appear on the main Library. The other advantage being is that there is another copy of the library kept on separate machine.
The NUC Id that I had is now used as a stand alone system with USB DAC and a 4TB USB, in our mobile home. I use the Front USB sockets on the Synology to periodically clone the HD’s when we leave home.
I did toy with storing the MC library on the NAS as well as the audio files but wasn’t happy with the performance.
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Hi there.
So I ended up acquiring an Id, I am however enceountering some issues. The things that work for starters:
-I was able to connect my DAC to the NUC through the TOS Link port.
-I connected the Id to my ethernet network, and am able to see, and play, music from my main computer JRiver library.
I really would like to use the Id as the Media server, and I would like it to access the music files on my Synology NAS.
I currently have some shared folders on the NAS that I can access on my Windows 10 computer and on my Mac.
I have however failed so far to access those folders in the Id.
I tried going to the External Media Menu to mount one of the shared folders, but so far none of those as worked.
Example of setup:
External Media Menu
Add network Drive
//<name of my Synology NAS on the network>/volume1/<name of shared folder>
Directory name: (Assuming this is the name the folder would appear as on the Id?)
Should <Directory> be ReadOnly or Read/Write: rw
Access as guest: n
Username: Username on my Synology NAS
Password: Password on the NAS.
Checking.... Failure
I also tried accessing the shell on the Id but that seems impossible?
Can anyone maybe with a similar setup help in that regard?
Thanks.
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Make sure the login and password work. It is probably case sensitive.
I assume you've been here:
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,95376.0.html
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I've actually managed to finally access the folders. It was a naming convention issue.
I am now able to fill a new JRiver Library on the Id, using the files on the NAS.
I have one additional issue at the moment:
I cannot see the Id on my PC client. I only see my local library on the PC and no indication of the existence of the Id on the network. Ideally I'd want to be able to access the Id server on the PC, possibly to modify it as well (adding ratings, modifying tags)
I did activate the media server in the Id, and am able to control it with JRemote on wifi, but both the PC JRiver and the Id JRiver have the same identification key, could that be a problem?
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Now that the Id imports from the NAS, you're into Media Network problems. Please read the wiki topic on Media Network.
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I've actually managed to finally access the folders. It was a naming convention issue.
I am now able to fill a new JRiver Library on the Id, using the files on the NAS.
I have one additional issue at the moment:
I cannot see the Id on my PC client. I only see my local library on the PC and no indication of the existence of the Id on the network. Ideally I'd want to be able to access the Id server on the PC, possibly to modify it as well (adding ratings, modifying tags)
I did activate the media server in the Id, and am able to control it with JRemote on wifi, but both the PC JRiver and the Id JRiver have the same identification key, could that be a problem?
They shouldn't have the same access key. You didn't try restoring the PC library on the Id, did you? If you did, the Settings could overlap on things like the access key and server UUID's which would explain the issues you are seeing.
If not, try doing the Tools->Options->Media Network->Access key->Reset on one or the other.
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I dropped my Id and I’m told the 2 TB hard drive is kaput. Is it repairable and what are the steps involved?
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I’m not sure I’m in the right section, I have an idpi running mc 25.50.
I have it set up fine for some time now.
I was trying to add additional music, by adding some files to the hard drive attached and I can get those additional files to import into the library, it just doesn’t find them.
Or maybe its the file type, but I have others in the library of this file type.
What else might be the issue?
Thanks, Andy
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What type of files?
Check your auto import settings. Edit the folders to set the filetypes.
I don't know what you mean when you say, it imports them but won't find them.
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Sure enough they were M4P protected.
Makes sense.
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Yep, MC can't played DRM-protected M4P files.
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I received the new NUC (v7) yesterday, and encountered the following problem.
The setup went fine, and the Id appeared on the network as a renderer.
I started it in a GUI mode, and chose my USB DAC (Devialet Expert Pro 250) as the output.
However, when I attempt to play, each track stops immediately with the message that "there is a problem with the output device... Can't play "44.1 kHz, 2Ch". This happens with both streamed media, as well as a local sample on the Id itself.
What did I do wrong? I can play to the DAC from my PC.
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I received the new NUC (v7) yesterday, and encountered the following problem.
The setup went fine, and the Id appeared on the network as a renderer.
I started it in a GUI mode, and chose my USB DAC (Devialet Expert Pro 250) as the output.
However, when I attempt to play, each track stops immediately with the message that "there is a problem with the output device... Can't play "44.1 kHz, 2Ch". This happens with both streamed media, as well as a local sample on the Id itself.
What did I do wrong? I can play to the DAC from my PC.
From the main text menu, do function 10. It will show you the devices and their supported sample rates.
Also, which device did you choose?
In general the one you want starts with
hw:
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From the main text menu, do function 10. It will show you the devices and their supported sample rates.
Also, which device did you choose?
In general the one you want starts with
hw:
That was it! Selecting the USB device starting with "hw" solved the problem. Thank you, Bob!
The Renderer works perfectly now (very happy with the sound quality).
Now, moving on to the media server setup. I mounted an external USB drive (formatted as FAT32), where I keep my music. When I browse the Id's file system, I do see my USB drive; however:
1) it contains no files or directories (so I can't import music from it)
2) I can't see the attached drive from my PC (under "Network").
Thank you for your help.
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I believe I found answers for my questions:
Problem #1: not seeing folders and files on the attached USB drive.
Cause: FAT32 formatting. Worked fine with a different NTFS formatted drive. I'll be reformatting my FAT32 drive.
Problem #2: not seeing Id's file system on my Windows 10 PC.
Cause: SMB 1.0 disabled in Windows 10 by default (found a post on this topic in this forum).
I think this kind of information (about the supported file system formats and Samba quirks) should find its way to the wiki for Id's setup. Otherwise, it's rather difficult to find.
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I believe I found answers for my questions:
Problem #1: not seeing folders and files on the attached USB drive.
Cause: FAT32 formatting. Worked fine with a different NTFS formatted drive. I'll be reformatting my FAT32 drive.
Problem #2: not seeing Id's file system on my Windows 10 PC.
Cause: SMB 1.0 disabled in Windows 10 by default (found a post on this topic in this forum).
I think this kind of information (about the supported file system formats and Samba quirks) should find its way to the wiki for Id's setup. Otherwise, it's rather difficult to find.
Thanks for the feedback, I'd like to verify that you are seeing that FAT32 drives don't show up and NTFS do?
Is it FAT32 OR ExFat?
As for the networking, you can use it without enabling SMB 1.0 however to do that you need to access it via it's IP address. So if you do 11 on the main menu and you see an IP address for example of 1.2.3.4 you'd enter this on you windows 10 machine in the run line:
\\1.2.3.4\
You then should see the Internal and External storage folders on the Id.
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Thanks for the feedback, I'd like to verify that you are seeing that FAT32 drives don't show up and NTFS do?
Is it FAT32 OR ExFat?
I only tested FAT32 (did NOTshow up) and NTFS (did show up OK)
(The reason I had a FAT32 drive is that it it was the only format recognized by Airport Extreme for USB attached drives)
As for the networking, you can use it without enabling SMB 1.0 however to do that you need to access it via it's IP address. So if you do 11 on the main menu and you see an IP address for example of 1.2.3.4 you'd enter this on you windows 10 machine in the run line:
\\1.2.3.4\
You then should see the Internal and External storage folders on the Id.
I believe I did try the Id's IP directly in a Windows Explorer, but instead of taking me to the Id's file system, it redirected me to the control panel.
Another question: when I navigate to the Id device in Windows Explorer (under Networking), I get prompted for username/password. If I enter Admin/Admin, I'm allowed to access it. Is this the expected behavior, or can I can disable this security prompt?
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I only tested FAT32 (did NOTshow up) and NTFS (did show up OK)
(The reason I had a FAT32 drive is that it it was the only format recognized by Airport Extreme for USB attached drives)
I believe I did try the Id's IP directly in a Windows Explorer, but instead of taking me to the Id's file system, it redirected me to the control panel.
Another question: when I navigate to the Id device in Windows Explorer (under Networking), I get prompted for username/password. If I enter Admin/Admin, I'm allowed to access it. Is this the expected behavior, or can I can disable this security prompt?
I can't see any issue with FAT32. I do see that ExFAT is missing. It will be fixed in the next update.
The Id doesn't require authentication to use it's share from windows 10 if you access it's shares under "Computer" not one of the media devices in explorer. If you are still having to enter a login/password you probably have an issue with guest access on your windows 10.
When entering the IP address from the search box with the backslashes you should not get the webpage, i.e. \\1.2.3.4\
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I can't see any issue with FAT32. I do see that ExFAT is missing. It will be fixed in the next update.
The Id doesn't require authentication to use it's share from windows 10 if you access it's shares under "Computer" not one of the media devices in explorer. If you are still having to enter a login/password you probably have an issue with guest access on your windows 10.
When entering the IP address from the search box with the backslashes you should not get the webpage, i.e. \\1.2.3.4\
I think the issue with mounting the drive had to do with a space in the drive's name (WD PASSPORT). Once I removed it, I was able to mount it.
I'm having the following issue now: once I've imported a library into the Id, it stopped showing as a Renderer on the network. I can now only use it as a media sever. What could be causing this?
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I think the issue with mounting the drive had to do with a space in the drive's name (WD PASSPORT). Once I removed it, I was able to mount it.
I'm having the following issue now: once I've imported a library into the Id, it stopped showing as a Renderer on the network. I can now only use it as a media sever. What could be causing this?
I'll check into the space issue.
Did you import a library from somewhere else OR import files into a library on the Id?
Do you have more than one Id on your network?
You might want to check under Tools->Options->Media Network->Advanced
to see if the renderer function is enabled.
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I'll check into the space issue.
Did you import a library from somewhere else OR import files into a library on the Id?
Do you have more than one Id on your network?
You might want to check under Tools->Options->Media Network->Advanced
to see if the renderer function is enabled.
I imported Main the library from my PC (to preserve the custom views), and then just updated the file paths to point to the mounted USB drivie.
Only one Id on the network (I can barely handle just one :))
"Renderer" and "Server" enabled in the Media Network on the ID. Interestingly enough, on my PC MediaCenter, I can see the Id as a Server, but not as a Renderer.
FYI, the Id is not connected to the Internet, only to a local network dedicated for streaming (I don't think this would matter).
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I imported Main the library from my PC (to preserve the custom views), and then just updated the file paths to point to the mounted USB drivie.
Only one Id on the network (I can barely handle just one :))
"Renderer" and "Server" enabled in the Media Network on the ID. Interestingly enough, on my PC MediaCenter, I can see the Id as a Server, but not as a Renderer.
FYI, the Id is not connected to the Internet, only to a local network dedicated for streaming (I don't think this would matter).
It doesn't have to be connected to the internet except to get updates, download the chromium browser that runs inside of MC and the libav components (only once for each of the last two unless MC updates). It does have a usable IP address on the same network as your PC, right? (option 11 on the Id menu).
Since you imported the library it's also possible you got the same UUID's for the render on both systems which would explain what you are seeing.
You could try some detective work with the device spy from the UPnP for developer tools on your PC.
If none of the above apply, you might try backing up that library on the Id from the MC menu (it will save into the Documents directory on the Id) then make a second save to the /export/media directory where you can copy it off to another machine. Next do a function 77 to restore the Id's library to it's original state (which will have unique UUIDS) then restore the library from your backup choosing to NOT restore the settings from your backup.
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[...] you might try backing up that library on the Id from the MC menu (it will save into the Documents directory on the Id) then make a second save to the /export/media directory where you can copy it off to another machine. Next do a function 77 to restore the Id's library to it's original state (which will have unique UUIDS) then restore the library from your backup choosing to NOT restore the settings from your backup.
Thank you again: you were spot on! In fact, I noticed that after I initially importing the library, it also reset Id's access key to that of my PC's Media Center. I went through the reset process (as you'd suggested), and can now use the Id as either the server or the renderer.
This was quite a journey!
On more rather unrelated question: if I eventually choose not to use the Id as a media server (because I have doubts as to whether it can efficiently cope with auto-importing library changes), which is the better option:
1) Use Id as a Renderer, and my PC Media Center as a server/pusher.
2) Use the remote library (from my PC) on my Id, and just have it play from it
Will the 2nd option allow Id to better manage the loading of the playlist, or are these options basically equivalent.
Again, thank you for your help!
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Thank you again: you were spot on! In fact, I noticed that after I initially importing the library, it also reset Id's access key to that of my PC's Media Center. I went through the reset process (as you'd suggested), and can now use the Id as either the server or the renderer.
This was quite a journey!
On more rather unrelated question: if I eventually choose not to use the Id as a media server (because I have doubts as to whether it can efficiently cope with auto-importing library changes), which is the better option:
1) Use Id as a Renderer, and my PC Media Center as a server/pusher.
2) Use the remote library (from my PC) on my Id, and just have it play from it
Will the 2nd option allow Id to better manage the loading of the playlist, or are these options basically equivalent.
Again, thank you for your help!
There aren't a lot of advantages/disadvantages between those 2 approaches IMO, I guess for simplicity I'd probably lean towards the first option.
I'm not sure why there would be an issue with the Id as theserver with the media on it other than perhaps if you need to do video iso rips which we can't handle in Linux or Mac yet.
What I do at home is to put all of my media on the IdNUC so it's available all the time to JRemote, etc even if my main PC is off. Then I have several IdPI's which I use to push content to and then on my server I periodically pull a backup from the IdNUC so I always have a second copy of all of my files. If you wish you could choose that /export/media folder for your library backup too so that gets included in the backup files.
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There aren't a lot of advantages/disadvantages between those 2 approaches IMO, I guess for simplicity I'd probably lean towards the first option.
I'm not sure why there would be an issue with the Id as the server with the media on it other than perhaps if you need to do video iso rips which we can't handle in Linux or Mac yet.
Fair points. The only reason I even asked about 1) vs 2) has to do with gapless playback. While the latter works fine 99.9% of the time, I have a few classical albums with very short tracks - about 20 seconds. I noticed several times that there was a short gap between them, as if the Id did not have enough time to load the next track. I thought the 2nd approach with using the remote library may give the Id a better opportunity to load the next track in time for gapless.
Most importantly, though, I'm all good with the setup, and already have options to choose from, for which I thank you again.
My (probably, groundless) reservation regarding using the NUC as a Media Server is caused by observing how slow it was to load my library, and, especially, update the thumbnails. But that was, of course, a one time load of a different order of magnitude, comparing to adding a few new albums.
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Fair points. The only reason I even asked about 1) vs 2) has to do with gapless playback. While the latter works fine 99.9% of the time, I have a few classical albums with very short tracks - about 20 seconds. I noticed several times that there was a short gap between them, as if the Id did not have enough time to load the next track. I thought the 2nd approach with using the remote library may give the Id a better opportunity to load the next track in time for gapless.
Most importantly, though, I'm all good with the setup, and already have options to choose from, for which I thank you again.
My (probably, groundless) reservation regarding using the NUC as a Media Server is caused by observing how slow it was to load my library, and, especially, update the thumbnails. But that was, of course, a one time load of a different order of magnitude, comparing to adding a few new albums.
Pushing to the renderer gaplessly will be an issue on very short tracks. The renderer needs time to start buffering the next track and the pusher needs to try to decide when the optimal time to do that is. The result is that with tracks under 30 seconds it gets to be a bit dicey.
The load time of a library on the Id client is slow the first time because it downloads the database form the server then generates the thumbnails (and stores them) locally. You'd get similar speed using a different PC loading it from your server PC the first time (of course the faster the client PC, the faster the thumbs are generated). You can control how aggressive the thumbs are built on the client (search for thumbnail under options).
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I recently moved MC23 to a new PC. I also have an IDNuc that I can see in MC23 on my PC, but it's not playing any files. It starts a playing a file but then shows Stopped and moves to the next file. I'm sure it's something with moving MC23 to the new PC, but I can't identify how to resolve the issue.
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Firewall on the new PC? Open ports 52100 to 52200.
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That didn't seem to work. I turned off the firewall and anti-virus and restarted everything. Now in MC23 it shows "Waiting" when trying to play a file to the Id...and then moves to the next file. Is there something else I can try?
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That didn't seem to work. I turned off the firewall and anti-virus and restarted everything. Now in MC23 it shows "Waiting" when trying to play a file to the Id...and then moves to the next file. Is there something else I can try?
For sure.
How are you playing the files from the PC to the Id?
Pushing them from the PC or connecting to the PC from the Id as a library server client?
What type of files are they?
What audio device are you using on the Id? What is the audio device the Id has configured to use in Tools->Options->Audio?
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That was it...you got me pointed in the right direction!
For some reason the Audio Device was set to Default. I reset it to see my DAC and everything started working perfectly again.
I really love my JRiver software and hardware...thanks for the help!
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Hello!
Since my separate thread:
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,122518.0.html
did not get much attention, I thought I'd summarize my observations here:
1) if I switch off my USB DAC, before the Id has completely finished playing (perhaps, some extra silence at the end of the track), it gets into some weird state, wherein if add tracks to my playlist later on, JRiver won't respond to the attempts to play them, until I press "Stop".
2) If I remote to Id with the DAC being turned off, it resets the Audio Output to "Audio Jack", messing the playback afterwards. Interestingly, this only happen with the main Player. Another zone's (which added for this precise reason) audio output does not get reset.
Nothing major here, but it would be nice if these peculiar behaviors were eliminated (especially, the 1st one)
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Hello!
Since my separate thread:
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,122518.0.html
did not get much attention, I thought I'd summarize my observations here:
1) if I switch off my USB DAC, before the Id has completely finished playing (perhaps, some extra silence at the end of the track), it gets into some weird state, wherein if add tracks to my playlist later on, JRiver won't respond to the attempts to play them, until I press "Stop".
2) If I remote to Id with the DAC being turned off, it resets the Audio Output to "Audio Jack", messing the playback afterwards. Interestingly, this only happen with the main Player. Another zone's (which added for this precise reason) audio output does not get reset.
Nothing major here, but it would be nice if these peculiar behaviors were eliminated (especially, the 1st one)
When the device disappears from the ALSA devices MC switches back to the default device which explains what you are seeing. That happens on the active zone.
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We updated the Id MC to 25.0.113.
For the NUC Id's this will make the NUC download the libav components the first time it runs after updating so it will take a while to start depending of course on your internet connection speed.
Also, a small fix was made to the base package scripts so that version will increment as well.
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We updated the Id MC to 25.0.113.
For the NUC Id's this will make the NUC download the libav components the first time it runs after updating so it will take a while to start depending of course on your internet connection speed.
Also, a small fix was made to the base package scripts so that version will increment as well.
Update appears to have gone through OK Id:24.0.15 MC:25.0.113 Engen 1.0.69 Now have Cloudplay and a nice run auto import button on Panel.
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First, let me start by saying that the Id is great, and I'm really enjoying it!
Now, I'm struggling with the following "issue": I used to RDC (Remote Desktop Connection) into it, from my PC, and it was very fast and convenient.
Yesterday, I restarted the Id, and RDC became very sluggish (at best).
If I reboot with an external monitor attached via HDMI, RDC gives normal resolution, but is extremely sluggish (by comparison the external mouse and keyboard attached to the Id are working fine).
If I reboot again in the GUI mode (without the external monitor attached), RDC is much more responsive, but the resolution is barely usable (too distorted, blurry and big).
Any ideas what may be happening and how to fix this? I got used to relying on RDC, and would like to make functional again.
I tried different RDC settings (connection speed/color depth) - to no avail.
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I'm struggling with the following "issue": I used to RDC (Remote Desktop Connection) into it, from my PC, and it was very fast and convenient. Yesterday, I restarted the Id, and RDC became very sluggish (at best).
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I've figured it out: to have a responsive RDC, I've got start the Id in mode #3 (Text with HDMI initialization). This way, surprisingly, I both have access to the GUI, and RDC from my Windows desktop is extremely responsive.
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I've figured it out: to have a responsive RDC, I've got start the Id in mode #3 (Text with HDMI initialization). This way, surprisingly, I both have access to the GUI, and RDC from my Windows desktop is extremely responsive.
Thanks for the feedback.
The text modes are meant to be used when you boot without a monitor attached.
In the text modes a different XServer is used which probably explains the performance difference you see.
The difference between the two text modes is that if you are using HDMI audio output you can choose option 3 like you did so that the audio hardware will be initialized.
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Apologies if this has been asked and answered before but why would I buy the Id over installing windows MC on a DIY or pre-built NUC? I am looking to leave it on the whole time to act as a library server for other instances of MC both on the network and remotely. Any views appreciated.
Good question. I already have a NUC (actually two) that both run MC25 without issue. Not sure why I'd want an Id.
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Hi Bob (and others). Having trouble re-connecting to my Id after being absent for a while. Using monitor via hdmi, Main Menu page doesn't show Access Key, error message says' trouble resolving 'jriver.com': Name or service not known' and then JRiver page disappears from the screen after a minute or so. Tried to go to network manager and got a pop up saying 'Could not connect to wicd's D-Bus interface. Check the wicd log for error messages'. I'm trying to get back to an ethernet connection.
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I've figured it out: to have a responsive RDC, I've got start the Id in mode #3 (Text with HDMI initialization). This way, surprisingly, I both have access to the GUI, and RDC from my Windows desktop is extremely responsive.
Just discovered a fix for the issue using GUI mode and RDC on the NUC7 Id's. Will push an update soon.
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Hi Bob (and others). Having trouble re-connecting to my Id after being absent for a while. Using monitor via hdmi, Main Menu page doesn't show Access Key, error message says' trouble resolving 'jriver.com': Name or service not known' and then JRiver page disappears from the screen after a minute or so. Tried to go to network manager and got a pop up saying 'Could not connect to wicd's D-Bus interface. Check the wicd log for error messages'. I'm trying to get back to an ethernet connection.
The Id goes into Access Point mode when there isn't a network connection after a minute or so. When in accesspoint mode you can connect to it with your phone and configure the wireless settings. Alternately, if you connect an ethernet cable, it will come up normally.
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I've been trying but no joy so far. I've got it ethernet connected but the network manager seems to crash shortly after booting up. Then I get a pop up saying "Could not connect to wicd's D-Bus interface. Check the wicd log for error messages". The NUC sees the wireless service but doesn't pick up from DHCP.
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I've been trying but no joy so far. I've got it ethernet connected but the network manager seems to crash shortly after booting up. Then I get a pop up saying "Could not connect to wicd's D-Bus interface. Check the wicd log for error messages". The NUC sees the wireless service but doesn't pick up from DHCP.
What happens if you run function 11 from the main main instead of running the network manager?
Does it have an IP address?
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Was still having trouble but have now found it using a network IP scanner and have access via phone. It doesn't appear to have an access key though and I can't access it via computer or directly from the Id itself. Nor does it show on my mac as library or player running jriver.
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Tried again using ip address and 52199 and got access.
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Tried again using ip address and 52199 and got access.
If you got access with that you can use Remote desktop or VNC to get into the GUI then in the settings check the see if the access key has changed.
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The Id goes into Access Point mode when there isn't a network connection after a minute or so. When in accesspoint mode you can connect to it with your phone and configure the wireless settings. Alternately, if you connect an ethernet cable, it will come up normally.
Bob, so you once you push the update, which mode (GUI vs Text with HDMI initialization) would you recommend for this use case: run it headlessly most of the time, but occasionally remote to it, for various needs?
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Bob, so you once you push the update, which mode (GUI vs Text with HDMI initialization) would you recommend for this use case: run it headlessly most of the time, but occasionally remote to it, for various needs?
For your use case I'd suggest text mode with no hdmi init (unless you have a HDMI amp, then text with HDMI init).
Both of the text modes use the same vnc server which is different from the one that's used when running in GUI mode.
Basically in GUI mode, the xserver for remote connections needs to track the changes being made on the real hardware where the text mode one does not.
The update is live now so you can run option 12 to get the fix.
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I am interested in the 300 ID nuc, but only if I can install a Pink Faun i2s bridge, I saw on the Intel site that this NUC has an open PCI slot and that should be where this card can plug in. the PF I2S HDMI card is a PCIe card. I have a Denafrips Pontus DAC, and this card is one of a few HDMI outputs that are known to work into it.
Will the ID software on this nuc allow this pci card to be installed and configured for the digital audio out?
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I am interested in the 300 ID nuc, but only if I can install a Pink Faun i2s bridge, I saw on the Intel site that this NUC has an open PCI slot and that should be where this card can plug in. the PF I2S HDMI card is a PCIe card. I have a Denafrips Pontus DAC, and this card is one of a few HDMI outputs that are known to work into it.
Will the ID software on this nuc allow this pci card to be installed and configured for the digital audio out?
Is that device supported in Generic Debian linux using ALSA?
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The Pink Faun i2s Bridge looks like an actual full sized 1x PCIe card. Such things don't fit into a NUC. The NUC has one M.2 slot available, which is a 22x30 E-key slot for WiFi cards. While you can theoretically pull the WiFi card and put something else in there, it would need to be specifically made for that Key and size (22x30 is very small).
Newer NUC models have an additional 22x80 M-key slot for PCIe SSDs. But none would fit an actual PCIe 1x add-in card, it would have to be specifically a M.2 card. And those don't have much room. Nevermind that those slots are entirely internal and could never expose a HDMI port.
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Any chance of a newer id any time soon? This one might be fine but it looks like it might be over 6 years old and I am reluctant to buy that old.
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If you mean the NUC we use, it's 2 years old, not 6 years. We only change it when we think there's something better available at a good price.
We're using this one right now:
NUC7CJYH
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Any chance of a newer id any time soon? This one might be fine but it looks like it might be over 6 years old and I am reluctant to buy that old.
Just to add to Jim's comment. We use the Celeron versions of the NUCs because they're powerful enough for the Id firmware. As far as I know, the 8th, 9th, and 10th generation NUCs do not have Celeron versions. The only exception is the NUC8CCHKR, which has very different hardware.
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I've attempted to switch from my wired network to a WiFi on with Internet connectivity (to check for updates), and this opened a can of worms.
In the Network Manager, I unchecked "Use Default Wired Profile" at the top, which was probably a mistake.
Then with my WiFi connection seemingly working, I was no longer able to establish a Remote Desktop connection (to the static IP configured for the WiFi network). So, I restarted the Id. However, then it started failing at the network setup stage: it would not connect to either the wired network, nor to the WiFi, and stop the boot process without opening JRiver.
In the attempt to fix the problem, I did things, which did not help me:
1) A full reset ("Restore Defaults" - option 77)
2) Restored the BIOS settings defaults (hope it did not break anything).
I was eventually able to get it back to a working state by manually re-configuring the wired connection.
But the very next time I switched to my WiFi network with Internet (this time without the static IP or the setting to "always join this network"), I got myself back into the same state: not being able establish the wired connection, upon restarting.
Fiddling with the configuration of the wired connection (mainly, just opening it in the text mode, saving, and manually re-connecting), I'm back to "normal" again. However, I feel the network connectivity is no longer stable, and the problem may recur any time. (Also, FYI, starting the Id in the GUI mode without a successful network connection causes additional problems: JRiver crushes immediately upon start up, and there are other errors).
What should I do? Should I just send the unit to you, for a complete re-imaging? Are there any other ways to get the Networking stable? Is it possible that restoring the BIOS defaults caused any problems?
Sorry for the long email. But, arguably, the fact of attempting to connect to WiFi should get the ID to the state, wherein it's unable to even properly boot.
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In GUI mode, right click on the desktop and start Wicd.
Make sure you don't have it set to use both wifi and wired. Only one should have a valid IP address.
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In GUI mode, right click on the desktop and start Wicd.
Make sure you don't have it set to use both wifi and wired. Only one should have a valid IP address.
Jim, I've followed your instructions (and it gave me the same Network Manager window as option 13).
At the moment, it's only connected to the wired network (and everything functions properly).
But when I need to temporarily switch to my WiFi (to check for updates), what are the steps?
Before, I'd just connect to my other (WiFi) network (and leave "Connect Automatically" unchecked), and it would disconnect the wired network, prior to connecting to the WiFi. The problem is that upon restarting (after the updates have been installed), it would not be able to connect at all. Since "Connect Automatically" was left unchecked, I'd expect it to connect to the wired network, but it did not happen.
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Jim, I've followed your instructions (and it gave me the same Network Manager window as option 13).
At the moment, it's only connected to the wired network (and everything functions properly).
But when I need to temporarily switch to my WiFi (to check for updates), what are the steps?
Before, I'd just connect to my other (WiFi) network (and leave "Connect Automatically" unchecked), and it would disconnect the wired network, prior to connecting to the WiFi. The problem is that upon restarting (after the updates have been installed), it would not be able to connect at all. Since "Connect Automatically" was left unchecked, I'd expect it to connect to the wired network, but it did not happen.
If your firmware is up to date, when the Id goes completely off line it will go into accesspoint mode so the wireless can be configured. You'll actually see it show up as an accesspoint on your network.
I'd suggest the when you want to upgrade the firmware you go into the network manager and enable the "connect automatically" on the wireless network, then remove the ethernet cable and reboot it. Do the opposite when returning to the wired net.
Alternately I think you could just connect to the accesspoint with a phone and re-configure the network at which point it will reboot onto your wireless network.
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Not sure if I completely understand the access point mode (for example, after you connect to the ID access point, how do you configure it?), but the other instructions are clear to me (and I can always connect an external display, if worse comes to worst).
To install updates, do you only need to have an Internet connection to download them, or is it also needed when the ID is restarted?
Also, is it normal to see various kinds of errors when the ID is not connected to the network (e.g. Wicd crushing, or not seeing all the menu options)? Also, at some point, after the updates have been loaded, it even complained about some BIOS "posts" problem (but the error went away, after restarting one more time).
It's working fine now, but having seen all these errors at different stages makes me a bit nervous.
As always, thank you for your help.
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playing to id nuc6, hdmi out to av from mc26 win10 controlled jremote2 on android tablet. can see GUI menu on display and plays 5.1 music for about 5 minutes or so then stops playing and menu is no longer seen. After rebooting from button on id, can resume play and see menu but all stops after about 5 minutes? suggestions greatly appreciated.
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Not sure if I completely understand the access point mode (for example, after you connect to the ID access point, how do you configure it?), but the other instructions are clear to me (and I can always connect an external display, if worse comes to worst).
To install updates, do you only need to have an Internet connection to download them, or is it also needed when the ID is restarted?
Also, is it normal to see various kinds of errors when the ID is not connected to the network (e.g. Wicd crushing, or not seeing all the menu options)? Also, at some point, after the updates have been loaded, it even complained about some BIOS "posts" problem (but the error went away, after restarting one more time).
It's working fine now, but having seen all these errors at different stages makes me a bit nervous.
As always, thank you for your help.
If you connect to the Id as when it's in accesspoint mode with an iOS device it will automatically popup a page that lets you configure the Id wireless connection.
If you connect to it in accesspoint mode with an Android device you need to try to access any page from a browser on your android device and you will get the same configuration page.
When the Id is in accesspoint mode, only the menu items that are useful are shown on the main menu (which is why it changes).
It only needs to connect to the the internet to download updates, not when first starting but it does need to be connected to a wired or wireless network when you first start it up so it can get an IP address (or you can configure it statically through wicd).
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playing to id nuc6, hdmi out to av from mc26 win10 controlled jremote2 on android tablet. can see GUI menu on display and plays 5.1 music for about 5 minutes or so then stops playing and menu is no longer seen. After rebooting from button on id, can resume play and see menu but all stops after about 5 minutes? suggestions greatly appreciated.
What build of MC are you running (see the main menu for version info)?
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Thanks Bob, id nuc6 25.0.10 is running mc26.0.26 engen 1.0.69
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Thanks Bob, id nuc6 25.0.10 is running mc26.0.26 engen 1.0.69
Is it HDMI out?
You may need to turn on the option in MC that prevents the hdmi from sleeping.
Search for hdmi in Options on the Id.
Note that if MC dies for any reason on the Id it will restart at the top of the next minute so you should not need to reboot.
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I have HDMI out to emotiva xmc1 processor. The box by, disable display from turning off (useful for HDMI connections), is checked. Is there another setting for HDMI? Addition, when I looked at this with keyboard, mouse and monitor connected a saw the box checked. After making a remote connection, VNC viewer, I see the, disable display from turning off, box not checked. No idea why the setting changed unless is changes upon reboot. I checked the box again through the VNC connection.
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Thanks Bob, It looks like the disable display from turning off did the trick. Been playing multichannel for about an hour without issue.
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Thanks Bob, It looks like the disable display from turning off did the trick. Been playing multichannel for about an hour without issue.
Great, thanks for the feedback!
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Edit - bump 6 days
Edit - I posted this five days ago and no answer. So, is this the wrong place for my questions or what? There is no customer service phone number and it would be nice to know what I'm getting into before spending $400.
My current setup looks like this - see pic. Computer with MC DLNA enabled > sends music file to router via wireless connection > Router sends wireless to Sony SMP-n200 which renders the music > standard RCA audio jack output from Sony SMP-n200 to my Preamp. Issues: Sony SMP is almost 20 years old but is still working OK and handles FLAC. Backup is manual and not mirrored so if a drive failure, I have access to all files and can rebuild it but it is not simple.
Questions: I am looking at the JRiver ID 302 to replace the Sony in this setup. Also, I am looking to transfer music files from my computer via the wireless router to the Id and store them there which creates an ongoing backup. Then I would play the music from the JRiver Id to the preamp. Is this a viable setup?
I don't see standard audio output jacks on the Id. Can some kind of USB to RCA audio jack be used? Or, something else?
Can the Id be connected to wirelessly out of the box? Are there issues using with a computer on Windows and the Id being Linux?
Will I be able to create playlists on the windows version of MC on my computer and transfer to the Id?
Can the Id be controlled from a Windows 10 computer? What is the best way to control the Id? I have gizmo on my Android phone.
Am I thinking about how to do this correctly or is there a better way? For instance, while I don't really understand the whole idea of using MC as a server, maybe it is better to set either the Id or the computer as a server but I would still want to be able to push changes back and forth and not be stuck with a one-way street.
I would like to play directly from the Id to the preamp and avoid DLNA if possible because of the inherent issues I run into with router downtime, router not recognizing something, Ip's changing, other various issues those that have used DLNA know about. But, I don't want to give up the ease of rating songs as they play, compiling and editing playlists on my computer, etc.
I know this is not the most concise or clear requirements doc and that is because my priorities are not super-delineated in my own mind. In a way, I don't want to be too rigid because there may be ways to think about this I have not considered. I just know that I like my current setup for many reasons, but, the limitations of DLNA and not having a mirrored backup are two things I would like to change/improve.
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Questions: I am looking at the JRiver ID 302 to replace the Sony in this setup. Also, I am looking to transfer music files from my computer via the wireless router to the Id and store them there which creates an ongoing backup. Then I would play the music from the JRiver Id to the preamp. Is this a viable setup?
Yes, this setup would work. Just to be clear, the Id won't automatically back-up the audio files, but it will create library back-ups.
I don't see standard audio output jacks on the Id. Can some kind of USB to RCA audio jack be used? Or, something else?
The IdNUC support audio output via 3.5mm audio jack, optical mini (TOSLINK), USB, or HDMI.
Can the Id be connected to wirelessly out of the box? Are there issues using with a computer on Windows and the Id being Linux?
Yes, the Id can be connected via WiFi. You can even use your phone to do this without needing to connect a monitor or keyboard/mouse.
There are no issues with different operating systems. The Windows instance of Media Center will see the Id as a DLNA zone.
Will I be able to create playlists on the windows version of MC on my computer and transfer to the Id?
Smartlists are probably the easiest to transfer, but you can create playlists on your Windows machine, export them and transfer them to the Id. However, non-smartlists rely on file paths, so when you transfer a playlists, the file paths need to match for the new location.
Can the Id be controlled from a Windows 10 computer? What is the best way to control the Id? I have gizmo on my Android phone.
If you want to control Media Center itself on the Id, the easiest way to do this from Windows is with Remote Desktop Connection, which Windows has built in. You just provide the IP address of the Id on your network and you can control it remotely. Otherwise, Gizmo can connect to it as well for playback control.
Am I thinking about how to do this correctly or is there a better way? For instance, while I don't really understand the whole idea of using MC as a server, maybe it is better to set either the Id or the computer as a server but I would still want to be able to push changes back and forth and not be stuck with a one-way street.
I would like to play directly from the Id to the preamp and avoid DLNA if possible because of the inherent issues I run into with router downtime, router not recognizing something, Ip's changing, other various issues those that have used DLNA know about. But, I don't want to give up the ease of rating songs as they play, compiling and editing playlists on my computer, etc.
I know this is not the most concise or clear requirements doc and that is because my priorities are not super-delineated in my own mind. In a way, I don't want to be too rigid because there may be ways to think about this I have not considered. I just know that I like my current setup for many reasons, but, the limitations of DLNA and not having a mirrored backup are two things I would like to change/improve.
This is more difficult to answer. Everyone is going to have their own setup the way they like it. You wouldn't be the first person to use an IdNUC as a media server though. It might be a bit much for only playing audio to a single device. You might be able to accomplish this with and IdPi and your music on an external hard drive.
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I am considering going from MC on Win10 to the Id NUC 302. My goal is to avoid having to update Windows so often. I am looking for stability. I would just leave it on all the time and update the firmware and MC when required.
Today, MC is running on a micro PC, next to my Hegel H360 (with DAC), with flac files on an external USB drive. No DLNA, no server-renderer setup, just a single autonomous PC. I connect to it remotely with Team Viewer, or locally with a keyboard and the TV. I would do the same with the Id.
Is the MC GUI on the Id 302 the same as for the Windows version? If not, what are the main differences?
Any functionality missing in the Id (vs Windows)?
Also, are there any obvious drawbacks from using the Id vs Windows version?
Thanks in advance,
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Is the MC GUI on the Id 302 the same as for the Windows version? If not, what are the main differences?
If you boot the Id into GUI mode or connect to it remotely, either with Remote Desktop or VNC, the Media Center GUI is the same.
Any functionality missing in the Id (vs Windows)?
The Id runs Media Center for Linux, so there are some features that are missing, like TV. Although TV for Linux is under development right now.
Also, are there any obvious drawbacks from using the Id vs Windows version?
Id updates lag behind other platform updates. Currently, the latest Media Center Id version is 26.0.37.
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That's great. Thanks for the quick reply!
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The IdNUC support audio output via 3.5mm audio jack, optical mini (TOSLINK), USB, or HDMI.
I need a bit of education. I see the 3.5mm jack on the NUC7CJYH with the logos indicating it can do optical and this comment in the specs (Intel Web site): “7.1 digital; L+R+mic (F); L+R+TOSLINK (R)”. I don’t understand how you can get an optical signal out of a 3.1mm jack just by using an adaptor cable. I searched the Internet and only saw converter boxes for optical to analog. That makes sense to me.
So, this jack can produce optical signals? If someone can explain, or link to an article anywhere explaining this, it would be great. I am scratching my head… 😊
Is it the same quality as if there was an actual TOSLINK port on the NUC?
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I need a bit of education. I see the 3.5mm jack on the NUC7CJYH with the logos indicating it can do optical and this comment in the specs (Intel Web site): “7.1 digital; L+R+mic (F); L+R+TOSLINK (R)”. I don’t understand how you can get an optical signal out of a 3.1mm jack just by using an adaptor cable. I searched the Internet and only saw converter boxes for optical to analog. That makes sense to me.
So, this jack can produce optical signals? If someone can explain, or link to an article anywhere explaining this, it would be great. I am scratching my head… 😊
Is it the same quality as if there was an actual TOSLINK port on the NUC?
It's s funny kind of combo 1/8" jack with analog wired and optical.
I use the optical out on my system at home.
This is the first example I could find:
https://www.amazon.com/Recoton-Fiber-Optic-Toslink-Adapter/dp/B0002MQGRM
There are a ton of different ones, I think I got mine at microcenter for a few bucks.
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I need a bit of education. I see the 3.5mm jack on the NUC7CJYH with the logos indicating it can do optical and this comment in the specs (Intel Web site): “7.1 digital; L+R+mic (F); L+R+TOSLINK (R)”. I don’t understand how you can get an optical signal out of a 3.1mm jack just by using an adaptor cable. I searched the Internet and only saw converter boxes for optical to analog. That makes sense to me.
So, this jack can produce optical signals? If someone can explain, or link to an article anywhere explaining this, it would be great. I am scratching my head… 😊
Is it the same quality as if there was an actual TOSLINK port on the NUC?
I found an explanation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOSLINK
"Mini-TOSLINK is a standardized optical fiber connector smaller than the standard square TOSLINK connector commonly used in larger consumer audio equipment. The plug is almost the same size and shape as the ubiquitous 3.5 mm stereo minijack. Adapters are available to connect a full-size TOSLINK plug to a mini-TOSLINK socket. Combined 3.5 mm jack and mini-TOSLINK sockets exist which can accept a 3.5 mm jack or a mini-TOSLINK plug; mini-TOSLINK plugs are made 0.5 mm longer than electrical jack plugs so that the latter are too short to touch and damage the LED of combined connectors. Many laptop computer and portable digital audio equipment models, such as the Google Chromecast Audio device[8][9] and Apple AirPort Express and iPod Hi-Fi, use these connectors that allow for the insertion of 3.5 mm analog (electrical) headphone output or microphone input or mini-TOSLINK digital (optical) output."
If I understand this well, the mini-TOSLINK connector (male) touches the LED situated at the end of the jack (female) and reads the light signal from the LED while a 3.1mm audio connector reads the electrical analog signal from the two cylindrical metal portions of the jack. So, this is how this port can support two very different interfaces (analog/electric and digital/optical). Brilliant!
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The IdNUC support audio output via 3.5mm audio jack, optical mini (TOSLINK), USB, or HDMI.
What is the best/recommended way to get the audio output to a RCA audio jack so I can output to my preamp? Would something like this work? A 3.5 audio to RCA cable >>> https://www.amazon.com/Audiophiles-3-5mm-Auxiliary-SKW-Smartphones/dp/B073WQBXJX
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What is the best/recommended way to get the audio output to a RCA audio jack so I can output to my preamp? Would something like this work? A 3.5 audio to RCA cable >>> https://www.amazon.com/Audiophiles-3-5mm-Auxiliary-SKW-Smartphones/dp/B073WQBXJX
That would work fine.
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Greetings!
I think I may have discovered that the Id is the answer to a problem I've been running in circles trying to solve. I'd like to verify this before purchasing, so I'll describe my setup and problem.
I have converted my SACD collection to .iso files, which are stored on a Mac Pro running MC25 on OSX Mojave. I would like to stream DSD to my audio system in another room in a way that preserves gapless playback of my mostly classical music collection. MC25 is configured to be a DLNA server, and can be found by both my processor (Yamaha CX-A5100) and my Blu-ray player (Oppo UDP-203). But here are the problems that I have been running into:
- The .iso albums will play fine in MC25, but they aren't recognized by either the Oppo or the Yamaha.
- The .iso albums can be converted to individual .dsf tracks, but the Oppo and Yamaha don't do gapless playback of .dsf files.
- And with my multichannel files, there is usually a deal-breaking popping sound at the end of one track and again at the beginning of the next.
- Plus, the Yamaha doesn't do multichannel .dsf over DLNA.
- The .iso albums can be converted to .dff albums, but the Oppo doesn't read the .cue files correctly and starts at the beginning of the album regardless of which "track" I select from the .cue file. Incidentally, the .cue file works fine in MC25 when I play on the local computer, but when I try to push to the Oppo from the computer or Panel, it's the same result of always playing the beginning of the album.
- I may or may not get a different result if I connect the Oppo to my computer via SMB, but that's a moot point for me because Mac OSX Mojave does a different flavor of Samba than the Oppo and they won't communicate.
So after weeks of dead ends, the Id seems almost too good to be true.
Am I correct in my interpretation that if I hook the Id up to my Yamaha via HDMI and connect it to my library on my computer, I'll be able to just play the .iso files as-is and get gapless DSD with no additional conversions? If so, where do I sign? (That last part was rhetorical; I have read the Wiki and know how to order).
One last thing; I see that purchase of the Id comes with a license for MC (currently at 26) and I was planning to upgrade if I found that MC could be part of a solution to this mess. Is the included license for the all-platform version, so that I could also be running the most current version on my Mac? Or would I really need MC on my computer at that point?
Thanks!
-Brad
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Am I correct in my interpretation that if I hook the Id up to my Yamaha via HDMI and connect it to my library on my computer, I'll be able to just play the .iso files as-is and get gapless DSD with no additional conversions?
DSD won't work over HDMI from any computer, including an Id. The GPU's drivers on all platforms just simply don't support DSD at all, which would be needed to get it to output over HDMI from a computer (e.g. PCs, Macs, Raspberry Pis, NUCs, Ids, etc.).
DSD over HDMI does work when connecting something like a SACD-capable CD/DVD/Blu-ray player to a receiver though.
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DSD won't work over HDMI from any computer, including an Id. The GPU's drivers on all platforms just simply don't support DSD at all, which would be needed to get it to output over HDMI from a computer (e.g. PCs, Macs, Raspberry Pis, NUCs, Ids, etc.).
DSD over HDMI does work when connecting something like a SACD-capable CD/DVD/Blu-ray player to a receiver though.
Well, crud. I was afraid this was too good to be true. I am slowly coming to the realization that streaming my SACD collection via gapless DSD using my current equipment just isn't in the cards, and I should just stick to playing the physical discs. I do appreciate your help very much.
Best,
-Brad
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If you ripped them to dsf or dff you could play them gapless to an Id as a DLNA renderer with a USB DSD Dac. (Not an IdPi, there isn't enough power for multichannel there).
If you were using an Id as a MC client to a MC PC server (not DLNA Renderer) you could also play the ripped .iso's as well.
The iFi iDSD works well with MC.
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If you were using an Id as a MC client to a MC PC server (not DLNA Renderer) you could also play the ripped .iso's as well.
The iFi iDSD works well with MC.
Please pardon my ignorance on this, but what's the difference between my Mac Pro being a PC server and setting up DLNA on it with MC?
The stuff I've researched I feel like I'm competent to have a conversation about, but this part I'm new to. Also, I have started researching external DACs, and they all appear to have only stereo outputs, whether balanced or unbalanced. I feel like I'm missing something obvious here, but how will that get me multichannel audio?
Thank you for your help and your patience.
Best,
-Brad
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Please pardon my ignorance on this, but what's the difference between my Mac Pro being a PC server and setting up DLNA on it with MC?
The stuff I've researched I feel like I'm competent to have a conversation about, but this part I'm new to. Also, I have started researching external DACs, and they all appear to have only stereo outputs, whether balanced or unbalanced. I feel like I'm missing something obvious here, but how will that get me multichannel audio?
Thank you for your help and your patience.
Best,
-Brad
MC on your Mac can work as a DLNA server pushing material to your Id as a DLNA render (the Id appears in your Mac MC Zone list is Id-xxxxx unless you've renamed it).
MC on you Mac could also act as a library server. In this scenario MC on your Id would connect to the Mac as a MC client. It's a little bit different way of getting at the files on your MC Mac server which can offer somewhat more flexibility, especially when dealing with .iso files.
I actually haven't looked for a multichannel USB DSD Dac myself.
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ID 300 SSD memory limitations at 26 GB.
I have tried to transfer my 56 GB music files to the ID 300, however, when around 26 GB has been loaded, the transfer process stops and errors come up. The albums are coming from my Windows computer (MC 26/27) ( - everything works perfectly there).
I have tried different transfer methods: 1) via USB hard drive, import, F6 move rename (tagging error); 2) via USB hard drive, import, F6 copy (no space left on the device); or 3) via local network shifting to the Windows library and import from that, import, F6 copy (no space left on the device);
That the memory really is exhausted is furthermore indicated by the observation that after stop of transfer I am not allowed to create new directories (no space left on the device). I have checked all root directories for any signs of unexpected fillings.
Entering the ROM Bios only gives me data on the RAM, not on the SSD. Additionally, entering the command window in the Debian Linux (help command) does not indicate any command for testing the SSD.
I should be noted, that the albums successfully loaded onto the available 26 GB on the ID 300 are played perfectly. I hope that you can advice me on solving this difficulty.
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ID 300 SSD memory limitations at 26 GB.
I have tried to transfer my 56 GB music files to the ID 300, however, when around 26 GB has been loaded, the transfer process stops and errors come up. The albums are coming from my Windows computer (MC 26/27) ( - everything works perfectly there).
I have tried different transfer methods: 1) via USB hard drive, import, F6 move rename (tagging error); 2) via USB hard drive, import, F6 copy (no space left on the device); or 3) via local network shifting to the Windows library and import from that, import, F6 copy (no space left on the device);
That the memory really is exhausted is furthermore indicated by the observation that after stop of transfer I am not allowed to create new directories (no space left on the device). I have checked all root directories for any signs of unexpected fillings.
Entering the ROM Bios only gives me data on the RAM, not on the SSD. Additionally, entering the command window in the Debian Linux (help command) does not indicate any command for testing the SSD.
I should be noted, that the albums successfully loaded onto the available 26 GB on the ID 300 are played perfectly. I hope that you can advice me on solving this difficulty.
The Id has 2 partitions, one is a system partition (30GB) and the other is a media partition (the rest of the ssd, in your case around 80GB) mounted on /export.
It sounds like you are copying to the system partition, you should not do that.
That space is designed for the system, MC's DB, thunbnails, temp files, etc.
Copying media to the Id is normally expected to be done over the network with SAMBA/CIFS to the InternalStorage share to the media folder (there is a readme in InternalStorage).
If you are copying from an external drive using F6 you should copy only to the /export/media folder (which is the one you see under InternalStorage).
Remove any files you've copied to the system partition and use the plan above.
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Hello, just installed Id on a Pi. I am only able to get audio output via HDMI.
I'm hoping to use USB to Benchmark DAC1. I've been into the playback options in MC as well as the mixer and RPi controls. THe Benchmark DAC is seen, but when I select it in the mixer I get message: playback device does not have controls. When I select it in MC playback, I get message that device cannot handle output.
Suggestions?
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I assume you're using MC's Audio options for setup.
How is the DAC connected? Is it known to work with Linux?
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Yes, I am using MC Audio options. When I try and select the DAC from the choices on the Device menu and then select music to play, I'm told Playback could not be started on the output "ALSA" using the format '44.1kHz 2xh'
In addition, when I connect to preamp via 3.5mm jack, no output.
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Replying to a previous post seems the only way I can get the proverbial word in edgewise. If I am out of line I am pretty sure I will be so informed.
I have MC 27 on my Windows 10 laptop. It plays fine, but then, drivers for my equipment exists for Windows. But, I just bought a NUC7 Id. I was able to get all of my CDs moved over there via the Ethernet cable (my network), all the Menüs work well, and it is all really pretty when viewed on the monitor.
Trouble is, I cannot get sound out of the thing via USB - the same way you play with the Windows machine. I have found a large listing of what look like drivers in the Id, but any I select will not work.
I am trying to send to a McIntosh MXA80 (same as MHA150). This machine has a DAC in it, and I want to send from the Id the same way I send from the Windows 10 machine.
Suggestions?
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Is the amplifier connect via USB? If so, you just need to choose the right output device in Tools > Options > Audio. Probably one of the Front choices.
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Yes, the only connection between the Id and the “Mac” MXA80 is the USB cable (3.0 out of the Id stepped down to a 2.0. I might mention the USB cable is first going into a ifi iPurifier “Audio Purifier” (anti-jitter), then into the back of the McIntosh. (Could thatbe the problem?)
But the Mac takes the digital signal via USB, and sends it into the internal DAC then to the amplifier.
Same setup works with the Windows machine; not with the Id - thus far!
I really hope the Id will work; with the size of this thing and the controllability if the cellphone I will be in autonomous non-internet music playing heaven! I will be able to take this thing anywhere, and when needed, hook it up to anything!
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Did you try changing the audio device setting as I mentioned above?
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Will get back to you on that! I have been presented with an Unmask-able Interrupt
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Yes, I have done as you suggested, and I am getting output now - good! There seem to be numerous McIntosh audio devices to choose from, each with different effects. I need to choose the combination of device, with output that gets me good signal. With some of the immediate choices in the list I have to turn up the gain to maximum, and I can barely hear it. But, yes, I am getting output now.
JRiver is mentioned in the Owner’s Manual of the McIntosh unit; I wonder if they have one that they like the best. I think I will ask them...
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Yes, I have done as you suggested, and I am getting output now - good! There seem to be numerous McIntosh audio devices to choose from, each with different effects. I need to choose the combination of device, with output that gets me good signal. With some of the immediate choices in the list I have to turn up the gain to maximum, and I can barely hear it. But, yes, I am getting output now.
JRiver is mentioned in the Owner’s Manual of the McIntosh unit; I wonder if they have one that they like the best. I think I will ask them...
Do option 14 (the mixer) from your Id menu and see if the device has it's output set to maximum. MC will control the PCM volume as the system volume but some devices have other mixer controls that MC doesn't control.
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I use the "Car Radio" buttons to play Radio Streams ( These are configured on my Windows Based library server.
I have 3 Pi Id's on my network and am using JRemote on an IPad, The IPad is connected to the Library server and the Id's appear as zones.
If I try and play the HLS streams to any of the Id's the streams falter and sometimes just stop completely, low bandwidth streams seem OK.
If I VNC into any of the Id's and hit the Car Radio buttons that are showing up on them (as they are connected as clients to the Library Server , the streams play perfectly.
What is the difference ? And how can I fix the problem?
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I use the "Car Radio" buttons to play Radio Streams ( These are configured on my Windows Based library server.
I have 3 Pi Id's on my network and am using JRemote on an IPad, The IPad is connected to the Library server and the Id's appear as zones.
If I try and play the HLS streams to any of the Id's the streams falter and sometimes just stop completely, low bandwidth streams seem OK.
If I VNC into any of the Id's and hit the Car Radio buttons that are showing up on them (as they are connected as clients to the Library Server , the streams play perfectly.
What is the difference ? And how can I fix the problem?
The flow is very different, there are a few things that you might want to check.
On the server, what are the conversion settings for the DLNA server that's sending material to the IdPi's? Are you trying to convert URL's? What is the version of MC on the server?
On the IdPi's, is audio buffering to disk disabled in Media Network??
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The flow is very different, there are a few things that you might want to check.
On the server, what are the conversion settings for the DLNA server that's sending material to the IdPi's? Are you trying to convert URL's? What is the version of MC on the server?
On the IdPi's, is audio buffering to disk disabled in Media Network??
1 No Conversion
2 The Car Radio buttons were created by the Opening a URL, getting it playing then saving to a button.
3 That’s now the “ stable” release of 27
4 yes buffering to disk is disabled....
Looking with VNC on a Pi whilst I try to play one of these it seems to open a string containing a *.wav file...
This used to work....I’m thinking it might be the 27 on the server?
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1 No Conversion
2 The Car Radio buttons were created by the Opening a URL, getting it playing then saving to a button.
3 That’s now the “ stable” release of 27
4 yes buffering to disk is disabled....
Looking with VNC on a Pi whilst I try to play one of these it seems to open a string containing a *.wav file...
This used to work....I’m thinking it might be the 27 on the server?
Everything sounds good except for that .wav file. It sure sounds like that's converting. Can you check to make sure the associated DLNA controller for the zone on the server is the one you are expecting (if you have more than one DLNA server configured) and verify that one IS set to Original Format?
I assume of course that you are not running as a Library server client on the IdPi's.
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Everything sounds good except for that .wav file. It sure sounds like that's converting. Can you check to make sure the associated DLNA controller for the zone on the server is the one you are expecting (if you have more than one DLNA server configured) and verify that one IS set to Original Format?
I assume of course that you are not running as a Library server client on the IdPi's.
Hi Bob,
Could you please clarify the last line of your message above?
I don’t use any of the Id’s as a library server. I only have one on my network which is a Windows box using an External NAS as the data storage.
AFAIK I have only two (DLNA) servers the second one is associated with one zone which is a Pure media player in one room I have on the media server associated that device with the specific (DLNA) server.
Everything I play to any of the Ids is normally played from JRemote on the iPads or JRemote 2 on the phone.
If I look at the Id I’m playing to, via VNC I always see that it is playing the file in the original format, as I have a lot of Hi Res music. So I’m sorta assuming that no conversion is taking place.
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I'm thinking of gifting an Id to a friend but have a couple of questions.
He would use it strictly as a server/player directly connected to his DAC and access music from a USB connected SSD. No network connections required apart from Internet access when needed. I would set it up for him but I have never used a Linux-based operating system. I gather the operating system is called Samba.
He has an Emotiva Stealth DC1 stereo DAC and the manual says some Linux operating systems come with drivers "but you better check". It also states that it operates as a UAC2 audio device.
So, does Samba easily recognize and support a UAC2 audio device, or even better has someone actually used the emotiva stealth DAC with the Id?
I would like to purchase it in his name.
He has MC 26. Will he get MC 27 as part of the Id purchase?
Many thanks for any advice
David
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The OS is Debian. You only interact with it through our software.
The license is included and it updates to new versions when available, without charge.
It works with most DAC's. There is a 30 day return policy. We could loan one to the manufacturer if they want to test.
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The OS is Debian. You only interact with it through our software.
The license is included and it updates to new versions when available, without charge.
It works with most DAC's. There is a 30 day return policy. We could loan one to the manufacturer if they want to test.
Thanks Jim
Does Debian come with USB audio class 2 drivers?
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Does Debian come with USB audio class 2 drivers?
Further research seems to suggest the answer is unclear. A Linux distribution may support UAC2 but still not work with a specific DAC (?). From another forum
"According to kernel source linux is usb audio class 2 compliant. https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/sound/usb/format.c"
" one can't guarantee without a real test that some specific dac is working without any problems on linux on specific hardware."
but this looks promising
"The one USB DAC I have used with Linux ran as class 2 compliant with no additional drivers. Emotiva Stealth DC-1." It doesn't specify Debian but I suppose it's worth a try
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It all depends on if the Linux kernel you're using. All the USB DACs I've used have worked out-of-the-box on Linux with ALSA.
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It all depends on if the Linux kernel you're using. All the USB DACs I've used have worked out-of-the-box on Linux with ALSA.
Thanks for reply
I have not used Linux beforehand
Is this configurable within MC under tools > options >audio....much like choosing "ASIO" or "WASAPI" in windows?
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Just choose your DAC under MC's Options > Audio > Audio Device. I'd recommend an output that uses hw: or front: as those will bypass the system mixer and whatever you do, do not use the pulse output as it resamples everything to 48 kHz.
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Just choose your DAC under MC's Options > Audio > Audio Device. I'd recommend an output that uses hw: or front: as those will bypass the system mixer and do not use the pulse output, it resamples everything to 48 kHz.
Okay, thank you!
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“Do option 14 (the mixer) from your Id menu and see if the device has it's output set to maximum. MC will control the PCM volume as the system volume but some devices have other mixer controls that MC doesn't control.”
By poring over everything I can find on the topic I have my Id up, running on Wi-Fi, controlled by JRemote, and life is good!
Now:
- How do I stream from my Id to my iphone using JRemote?
- Can one JRemote control multiple IDs?
- Is getting another JRemote for my iPad a separate $9.95 charge?
- Deleting items from Playlists wants to delete from entire library (or so the message says); is this so?
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“Do option 14 (the mixer) from your Id menu and see if the device has it's output set to maximum. MC will control the PCM volume as the system volume but some devices have other mixer controls that MC doesn't control.”
By poring over everything I can find on the topic I have my Id up, running on Wi-Fi, controlled by JRemote, and life is good!
Now:
- How do I stream from my Id to my iphone using JRemote?
- Can one JRemote control multiple IDs?
- Is getting another JRemote for my iPad a separate $9.95 charge?
- Deleting items from Playlists wants to delete from entire library (or so the message says); is this so?
Look on your Id main menu. The access key will be there. Put it into JRemote and it should come right up.
You can control as many instances of MC Id or other with JRemote as you want.
JRemote is connected to your apple account. You can run it on multiple devices without another charge.
If you delete an item from a playlist and you are asked to delete it from the library, yes that is the case. What it sounds like to me it that you want to choose REMOVE instead of delete.
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Okay, that’s all good; JRemote streaming to phone? There’s precious little on the topic, and it is not intuitive nor self-explanatory.
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Okay, that’s all good; JRemote streaming to phone? There’s precious little on the topic, and it is not intuitive nor self-explanatory.
For streaming TO the phone just choose "This Device" as the zone in JRemote.
If your material consists of formats other than m4a, flac or mp3 you'll likely need to turn on transcoding for that server in JRemote's settings.
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Id as a standalone player for Cloudplay ?
Can I use Id without the PC in the mix ? I can interact with Cloudplay from the PC, but I was wondering if cloudplay will act as a source for the Id, without use of the PC.
Looking for HD or better audio, without win27 in the middle.
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Yes, MC on the Id behaves just like MC on Windows, with minor exceptions. Cloudplay works.
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Hi All, I have my new IdPi running on a Raspi 4b 2GB w/Hifiberry DAC RCA hat, Raspberry Pi std 7" touch screen installed in a SmartPI Touch 2 case & a 4TB WD Gaming USB30 HDD attached that has my flac files. IDPI is connected via ethernet not WIFI. JRiver is running in audio only mode. I temporarily have a keyboard/mouse attached to the PI via a powered USB2.0 Hub.
My Goal is to use "unit" as a kiosk music player. Like going into a fast food restaurant and ordering up music on their "order kiosk." I'd like to be able to blast some tunes to whatever zone(s)/player(s) I choose when I walk in the house. I like that Theater mode is capable of showing artist photos as a song is playing.
I've been playing with the IDPI's settings mainmenu, Raspbian Toolbar Menu and Theater Mode, trying different things. The touch screen is only capable of 800x480 but I've set the screen size to default of 720x480, expanded the menu bars, and played with other settings via the 17 Custom RPi configuration selection in the mainmenu. I'm using the newer "fake GL" setting.
1. Is there documentation explaining the OS toolbar menu selections? Not sure what "head" or "alpha:255" or some of the "iconbar mode" selections mean.
2. Any recommendation for handling or using workspaces?
3. Can I change the location of the clock when I'm in Theater Mode with the Playing Now selection on screen? The clock covers the right side of the text bar. Even better, how much customization is available in the Theater Mode view?
4. Is there a way to calibrate the touchscreen? It's pretty accurate as it is but it might be helpful to load up a calibration utility for future use.
5. What's the recommended "quit playing tunes" procedure? While playing music, if I press back, Menu, Exit, then System Sleep, Shutdown... then Close Media Center, I get a white screen and then at the top of the minute, JRiver fires back up and the tunes start up with the last song that was playing. Should I use STOP via the Playing Now selection bar and then let the screen go blank after it times out? It's not like the Raspberry PI is using a lot of juice.
I'm thankful for the JRiver staff! Stay safe. Any guidance would be great.
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Hi All, I have my new IdPi running on a Raspi 4b 2GB w/Hifiberry DAC RCA hat, Raspberry Pi std 7" touch screen installed in a SmartPI Touch 2 case & a 4TB WD Gaming USB30 HDD attached that has my flac files. IDPI is connected via ethernet not WIFI. JRiver is running in audio only mode. I temporarily have a keyboard/mouse attached to the PI via a powered USB2.0 Hub.
My Goal is to use "unit" as a kiosk music player. Like going into a fast food restaurant and ordering up music on their "order kiosk." I'd like to be able to blast some tunes to whatever zone(s)/player(s) I choose when I walk in the house. I like that Theater mode is capable of showing artist photos as a song is playing.
I've been playing with the IDPI's settings mainmenu, Raspbian Toolbar Menu and Theater Mode, trying different things. The touch screen is only capable of 800x480 but I've set the screen size to default of 720x480, expanded the menu bars, and played with other settings via the 17 Custom RPi configuration selection in the mainmenu. I'm using the newer "fake GL" setting.
1. Is there documentation explaining the OS toolbar menu selections? Not sure what "head" or "alpha:255" or some of the "iconbar mode" selections mean.
2. Any recommendation for handling or using workspaces?
3. Can I change the location of the clock when I'm in Theater Mode with the Playing Now selection on screen? The clock covers the right side of the text bar. Even better, how much customization is available in the Theater Mode view?
4. Is there a way to calibrate the touchscreen? It's pretty accurate as it is but it might be helpful to load up a calibration utility for future use.
5. What's the recommended "quit playing tunes" procedure? While playing music, if I press back, Menu, Exit, then System Sleep, Shutdown... then Close Media Center, I get a white screen and then at the top of the minute, JRiver fires back up and the tunes start up with the last song that was playing. Should I use STOP via the Playing Now selection bar and then let the screen go blank after it times out? It's not like the Raspberry PI is using a lot of juice.
I'm thankful for the JRiver staff! Stay safe. Any guidance would be great.
The IdPi really isn't setup to run on a low resolution monitor, you are pretty much on your own with anything you do with that.
The preferred way of shutting down the IdPi is via the main menu shutdown option. The Theater View system shutdown isn't operable on linux based MC at this time.
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How about the Id and Amazon HD/ uhd music: can do ?
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Hi,
I am thinking of buying the iD with the HDD, which would cover storage issue, but I have some basic questions.
Will it work with the Qobuz desktop app?
Can it play internet radio?
Thanks,
DB
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No to Qobuz.
Yes to Internet Radio.
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Thanks, Jim!
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The IdPi really isn't setup to run on a low resolution monitor, you are pretty much on your own with anything you do with that.
The preferred way of shutting down the IdPi is via the main menu shutdown option. The Theater View system shutdown isn't operable on linux based MC at this time.
Bob, I'm not intending to sound snarky, just trying to solve a problem and maybe help someone else. I'm not sure how the resolution of the screen has an impact on my questions. If I connected the IdPi to an 70" HD TV I'm guessing I'd have basically the same questions. Can I assume that the answers to #1, #2, #4 are no? As for #5 - If I'm playing music, what are the steps to get back to the main menu? I thought that's what I was attempting and I got a white, blank screen.
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Bob, I'm not intending to sound snarky, just trying to solve a problem and maybe help someone else. I'm not sure how the resolution of the screen has an impact on my questions. If I connected the IdPi to an 70" HD TV I'm guessing I'd have basically the same questions. Can I assume that the answers to #1, #2, #4 are no? As for #5 - If I'm playing music, what are the steps to get back to the main menu? I thought that's what I was attempting and I got a white, blank screen.
I'm not taking it that way so not a problem.
The desktop is a default fluxbox entry, we only added to the right click menu so anything you do with the fluxbox bar menu is going to be exploration. Option 77 should always wipe out those changes if you get stuck.
I don't know of any way to calibrate your touch screen.
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How about the Id and Amazon HD/ uhd music: can do ? I tried music.amazon.com as a "streaming" add in MC27 on PC, no luck..
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How about the Id and Amazon HD/ uhd music: can do ? I tried music.amazon.com as a "streaming" add in MC27 on PC, no luck..
Not supported.
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Hello,
After many upgrades, I'm finally looking to retire my HTPC which has been running MC since v15!
I was going to replace it with a NAS but based on Jim's comments in this thread (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=110729.0), I'm looking at an Id NUC instead.
I currently use my HTPC to play MKV and FLAC files. The MKVs consist of mpeg-2 or mpeg-4 video (blu-ray quality), most of which have some kind of hi-res audio (Dolby ATMOS or DTS-MA). The MKVs are stored on an external USB drive connected to the HTPC via USB-3.
Can the Id NUC can play these files directly to a Sony A8H Series OLED Smart Android TV which is what my HTPC presently does?
Also, I think I read that the Id NUC does not support playing 4K video/audio files even if the TV supports those. Is that correct?
Thanks for your help!
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Bump.
Anyone?
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Anyone?
I've been waiting to hear back from the moderators as well. I have an Id NUC 300 (you can read back on the previous posts if you're interested in my experience). Regarding your question on playback. I just tried and was able to play a 1080p mkv on my Id NUC. I also tried a 4K UHD Remux file and had some serious stuttering. Maybe it could play other 4K files or with some software tinkering. Also I don't think this version of the NUC can do HDR, so for 4K playback I'd look elsewhere.
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Split TV, Receiver, and HDMI Problem (EDID) (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,128180.0.html)
This was originally posted by zimmy as an audio problem with the Id, but it is almost certainly a hardware EDID problem with the receiver and TV. Other users suggested solutions.
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Here goes, pardon my 'beginner' ignorance.
I use I-tunes (since 2004), into which I've 'ripped' ? (apple lossless ?) all of my CD's and bought 400-500 hundred tracks through the I-tunes store. My current total library just under 70GB and I don't have plans to expand it too much. I have a copy of everything stored on an old (120GB ?) Apple TV with a 7" TV attached so I can see what's playing (I switch the track in play via the apple TV remote).
I use the unprocessed digital output of the Apple TV via optical cable (toslink) to my DAC/integrated amplifier.
This is a 'stand alone' system which suits me, I don't need to operate my desktop computer to hear music, I don't need a 'network', everything is powered via a power cord (no batteries except in the remote)
Is JRiver for my desktop computer and an Id located near my DAC / preamp a 'move up' for me ?
I'd like to move away from apple / I-tunes.
Is it easy to transfer the tracks from I-tunes at my desktop to the Id ?
what about future music purchases, where will I buy ? How will they end up on JRiver at desktop ? and on Id
-TB
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Here goes, pardon my 'beginner' ignorance.
I use I-tunes (since 2004), into which I've 'ripped' ? (apple lossless ?) all of my CD's and bought 400-500 hundred tracks through the I-tunes store. My current total library just under 70GB and I don't have plans to expand it too much. I have a copy of everything stored on an old (120GB ?) Apple TV with a 7" TV attached so I can see what's playing (I switch the track in play via the apple TV remote).
I use the unprocessed digital output of the Apple TV via optical cable (toslink) to my DAC/integrated amplifier.
This is a 'stand alone' system which suits me, I don't need to operate my desktop computer to hear music, I don't need a 'network', everything is powered via a power cord (no batteries except in the remote)
Is JRiver for my desktop computer and an Id located near my DAC / preamp a 'move up' for me ?
I'd like to move away from apple / I-tunes.
Is it easy to transfer the tracks from I-tunes at my desktop to the Id ?
what about future music purchases, where will I buy ? How will they end up on JRiver at desktop ? and on Id
-TB
There is a lot here but where you might start...
Are your iTunes rips lossless? That's not the default, you would have had to customized the encoding in iTunes.
Are your iTunes tracks protected? Older ones are, newer ones not. Only Apple apps can play protected iTunes tracks.
To transfer tracks you connect the Id as a network share and drop the albums however you want to organize them into the media share on the Id.
You can purchase anywhere you want, I have tracks from Apple, HDTracks, Acoustic sounds, Amazon and my own rips but it's up to you to copy them onto the Id over your network.
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All audio tracks are AAC. I have purchased from I-tunes about 800 tracks, some (don't know how many) say that they are 'protected'.
-TB
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Those protected (likely AAC .m4p) files can't be played in Media Center, only iTunes, because of the FairPlay DRM being used.
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Apple used to have a program to exchange protected files for unprotected ones. Try Google.
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Reading older posts/specs about the Id I understood that the JRiver Media updates come for free. Is this still the policy?
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There is no charge for the Id updates or upgrades.
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I confess that I haven’t read all through this long topic, so please indulge my just asking something that may already be addressed: If I already have NUC hardware, is there an SD card version that I can purchase that includes both the Linux distro and the MC application? I suppose I could figure out how to install Linux, configure it, and install MC, but my Linux experience thus far is limited to following instructions, so a turnkey version like you offer for the Pi would be really comforting.
EDIT: Just saw another thread that suggests this no longer is an option and that I would need to buy a NUC from you if I want a turnkey solution. My NUC is a 2020 model (NUC10i7) and has some upgrades, so I don’t want to toss it just yet. I guess I’d need to get a Linux distro and install and configure MC manually.
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I have a model DN2820FYK NUC id that I purchased in February 2015. It ran up until a couple of weeks ago, and then quit. I cannot get any response from it beyond a lit power button and a running internal fan. No image comes up on the monitor, and the usb mouse and keyboard LED's do not come on. It's like the usb ports are dead.
This unit is discontinued and as near as I can tell replacement parts are no longer available.
Has anyone experienced similar problems or know of any way to bring this thing back to life?
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I am running my Id NUC6ACYH in my main Hi Fi system, version 26.0.107 and it is now unable to play Radio Paradise giving me an onscreen message "There is a problem right now. Playback cannot be started." MC28 on my MBP plays Radio Paradise fine.
Cloudplay plays fine on the Id as does my music library.
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I have a model DN2820FYK NUC id that I purchased in February 2015. It ran up until a couple of weeks ago, and then quit. I cannot get any response from it beyond a lit power button and a running internal fan. No image comes up on the monitor, and the usb mouse and keyboard LED's do not come on. It's like the usb ports are dead.
This unit is discontinued and as near as I can tell replacement parts are no longer available.
Has anyone experienced similar problems or know of any way to bring this thing back to life?
You might try opening it up and reseating the memory stick and the SSD.
If that doesn't work we have used ones you could get at a discount. The hardware would be newer and the MediacenterId version would be a current MC28. If you are interested contact:
deanna (at) jriver (dot) com.
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I am running my Id NUC6ACYH in my main Hi Fi system, version 26.0.107 and it is now unable to play Radio Paradise giving me an onscreen message "There is a problem right now. Playback cannot be started." MC28 on my MBP plays Radio Paradise fine.
Cloudplay plays fine on the Id as does my music library.
Interesting. I wonder if they made a protocol change. I'll test it on mine.
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You might try opening it up and reseating the memory stick and the SSD.
If that doesn't work we have used ones you could get at a discount. The hardware would be newer and the MediacenterId version would be a current MC28. If you are interested contact:
deanna (at) jriver (dot) com.
I did remove the SSD and checked it in another computer. It did boot the computer & bring up the Linux menu, but won't work in the NUC. Looks like it's time to put it to bed.
Will a Raspberry PI with Linux do the same music server function as the Linux NUC? I am also interested in streaming jpeg images from a NAS to my TV. Will a Linux NUC or Raspberry PI do that?
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I did remove the SSD and checked it in another computer. It did boot the computer & bring up the Linux menu, but won't work in the NUC. Looks like it's time to put it to bed.
Will a Raspberry PI with Linux do the same music server function as the Linux NUC? I am also interested in streaming jpeg images from a NAS to my TV. Will a Linux NUC or Raspberry PI do that?
Yes it will. The main difference you'll see between a Pi and a NUC will be with regards to video.
The NUC will be far more capable for video.
Also a NUC will be much better handling multichannel DSD audio if it has to be resampled.
If those two don't apply to your situation, a Pi should work fine.
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Yes it will. The main difference you'll see between a Pi and a NUC will be with regards to video.
The NUC will be far more capable for video.
Also a NUC will be much better handling multichannel DSD audio if it has to be resampled.
If those two don't apply to your situation, a Pi should work fine.
My audio files are 2 channel. Some are hi resolution 192/24. I may acquire some DSD in the future, but I don't plan on needing resampling. So you're saying the Pi would handle that with no problem.
My other question is whether a Pi or NUC could take jpeg files from a NAS drive and feed them to a TV? Could the NUC or Pi simultaneously stream audio to my DAC and jpeg to the TV?
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My audio files are 2 channel. Some are hi resolution 192/24. I may acquire some DSD in the future, but I don't plan on needing resampling. So you're saying the Pi would handle that with no problem.
My other question is whether a Pi or NUC could take jpeg files from a NAS drive and feed them to a TV? Could the NUC or Pi simultaneously stream audio to my DAC and jpeg to the TV?
A Pi4 could handle that fine. Probably even a Pi3b.
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Interesting. I wonder if they made a protocol change. I'll test it on mine.
Thanks. It will be interesting find out.
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Thanks. It will be interesting find out.
It's pretty odd. It works in newer MC. I thought it might be the system certs but it isn't.
I'm not sure there's anything that can be done other than updating the Id which can't be done OTA if it's running a MC26 build.
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Thanks for investigating Bob.
I thought that could be the issue with the NUC6ACYH Id only capable of running to MC26 but as it is such a superb device for playing my music library I will probably delay upgrading to a newer Id until MC26 loses other functionality.
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I have a model DN2820FYK NUC id that I purchased in February 2015. It ran up until a couple of weeks ago, and then quit. I cannot get any response from it beyond a lit power button and a running internal fan. No image comes up on the monitor, and the usb mouse and keyboard LED's do not come on. It's like the usb ports are dead.
This unit is discontinued and as near as I can tell replacement parts are no longer available.
Has anyone experienced similar problems or know of any way to bring this thing back to life?
I have a very old NUC (not a JRiver Id version) that I've been using since 2014. Last night I discovered that it's bricked - the same symptoms you describe. I started looking at solutions and alternatives, found your post, and registered here for the first time to ask about the Id. I got 8+ years of decent service from the NUC, and was wondering when it was going to die.
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Following up on my last post, I'm hoping that someone can confirm that the current version of the Id 300 will work as a direct replacement of my dead NUC, with the same configuration and features that I've been enjoying for years. Please forgive my ignorance, as I'm not super tech savvy and I have absolutely no experience with anything other than Windows systems.
My current setup and use cases are as follows: NUC connected to HT receiver via HDMI cable; USB drive with all my FLAC files connected to the NUC; universal Logitech remote control used to control Media Center in theater mode; wireless keyboard/touchpad used to control Windows on the NUC as needed. To be honest, I only use Windows on the NUC when updates (to Windows or Media Center) are needed, for troubleshooting and configuration settings, and to move FLAC files from a USB stick to the external USB drive, which I keep plugged into the NUC.
I only use Media Center for audio playback, usually from the HT receiver, but occasionally used as a server via Wi-Fi for playback on mobile devices using Gizmo. When playing from the HT receiver in my media room, I like to see the theater mode screen and use the Logitech remote to navigate. I rarely rarely use Gizmo in the media room to navigate Media Center.
So . . . I assume the Id 300 will work as described above. Am I correct? Thanks very much.
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Following up on my last post, I'm hoping that someone can confirm that the current version of the Id 300 will work as a direct replacement of my dead NUC, with the same configuration and features that I've been enjoying for years. Please forgive my ignorance, as I'm not super tech savvy and I have absolutely no experience with anything other than Windows systems.
My current setup and use cases are as follows: NUC connected to HT receiver via HDMI cable; USB drive with all my FLAC files connected to the NUC; universal Logitech remote control used to control Media Center in theater mode; wireless keyboard/touchpad used to control Windows on the NUC as needed. To be honest, I only use Windows on the NUC when updates (to Windows or Media Center) are needed, for troubleshooting and configuration settings, and to move FLAC files from a USB stick to the external USB drive, which I keep plugged into the NUC.
I only use Media Center for audio playback, usually from the HT receiver, but occasionally used as a server via Wi-Fi for playback on mobile devices using Gizmo. When playing from the HT receiver in my media room, I like to see the theater mode screen and use the Logitech remote to navigate. I rarely rarely use Gizmo in the media room to navigate Media Center.
So . . . I assume the Id 300 will work as described above. Am I correct? Thanks very much.
You scenario looks to fit well. There are only a couple of items I have questions about.
One is the transfer of the files to the Id. We setup the Id as a smb/cifs/nfs server so you'd normally copy files to it using that method. It probably can also copy from a USB stick, you'd need to use the rename,copy,move function of MC on the Id to do it that way I'd think.
The second is the remote. I'm not sure that yous will work with the Id. Can you give some more details, like the model number?
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You scenario looks to fit well. There are only a couple of items I have questions about.
One is the transfer of the files to the Id. We setup the Id as a smb/cifs/nfs server so you'd normally copy files to it using that method. It probably can also copy from a USB stick, you'd need to use the rename,copy,move function of MC on the Id to do it that way I'd think.
The second is the remote. I'm not sure that yous will work with the Id. Can you give some more details, like the model number?
Thanks for the speedy reply. I appreciate it.
Regarding your first comment (again, bear with me as I'm not familiar with networking protocols and non-Windows stuff), I am definitely not married to moving files from a USB stick to the NUC. That's just the way I've done it because it's easy and quick. If the Id appears in Windows File Explorer, and all my FLAC files are stored in a USB hard drive attached to the Id, will I still be able to drag and drop files onto the USB hard drive?
Regarding your second comment, I have a Logitech Harmony 650 remote. It's worked great with my old NUC, which has an IR sensor. I only use it for basic navigation (arrow keys) and standard player controls. Not sure if it makes any difference, but my existing (now dead) NUC was running Windows 10. As mentioned above, I use the Logitech remote control in theater mode. If I'm honest, that's not really a dealbreaker or a requirement, if Gizmo on my android devices will work to control the theater mode, too.
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Thanks for the speedy reply. I appreciate it.
Regarding your first comment (again, bear with me as I'm not familiar with networking protocols and non-Windows stuff), I am definitely not married to moving files from a USB stick to the NUC. That's just the way I've done it because it's easy and quick. If the Id appears in Windows File Explorer, and all my FLAC files are stored in a USB hard drive attached to the Id, will I still be able to drag and drop files onto the USB hard drive?
Yes, that will work exactly as you are saying.
Regarding your second comment, I have a Logitech Harmony 650 remote. It's worked great with my old NUC, which has an IR sensor. I only use it for basic navigation (arrow keys) and standard player controls. Not sure if it makes any difference, but my existing (now dead) NUC was running Windows 10. As mentioned above, I use the Logitech remote control in theater mode. If I'm honest, that's not really a dealbreaker or a requirement, if Gizmo on my android devices will work to control the theater mode, too.
Not sure about this one, I'll see if I can dig one out to test.
JRemote on iOS remote works great. I assume gizmo on Android will work the same.
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I just received the Idpi sd card. Should there be a registration code included? I got the card and invoice, didn't find any info in regards to license or registration.
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I just received the Idpi sd card. Should there be a registration code included? I got the card and invoice, didn't find any info in regards to license or registration.
There should have been a registration code included with the card. If you can't find one included, you can contact Deanna at JRiver and she can give you the license key.
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Reply to Hlst79:
Your license/registration code was sent via email on 15-March and again two times a few minutes ago. Check your junk/spam folder.
Deanna at JRiver
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Reply to Hlst79:
Your license/registration code was sent via email on 15-March and again two times a few minutes ago. Check your junk/spam folder.
Deanna at JRiver
thank you :)
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I have been running a Linux version of Media Center 28 on a Raspberry Pi 4b for about a month. Lately the artwork was not coming up on my tablet, so I decided to try a reboot. I closed Media Center and brought up the menu and entered option 98 for a reboot. After seeing scrolling text, it stopped with the following line:
[ OK ] Started Update UTMP about System Runlevel Changes.
It appears to lock at this point. I need help to get it to reboot.
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I have been running a Linux version of Media Center 28 on a Raspberry Pi 4b for about a month. Lately the artwork was not coming up on my tablet, so I decided to try a reboot. I closed Media Center and brought up the menu and entered option 98 for a reboot. After seeing scrolling text, it stopped with the following line:
[ OK ] Started Update UTMP about System Runlevel Changes.
It appears to lock at this point. I need help to get it to reboot.
Is this a recent IdPi? It's not clear from your post.
If so, it sounds like it didn't shutdown all the way.
Have you tried to power-cycle it?
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Is this a recent IdPi? It's not clear from your post.
If so, it sounds like it didn't shutdown all the way.
Have you tried to power-cycle it?
It is a new Raspberry Pi I got from Microcenter. When I inquired with JRiver, Deanna indicated they didn't have any available.
I did receive the Micro SD card from JRiver on Feb 22 and had it running by about the next day.
After the boot sequence appeared to stop, I did power it off and restart it. I got the same results when I restarted it.
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It is a new Raspberry Pi I got from Microcenter. When I inquired with JRiver, Deanna indicated they didn't have any available.
I did receive the Micro SD card from JRiver on Feb 22 and had it running by about the next day.
After the boot sequence appeared to stop, I did power it off and restart it. I got the same results when I restarted it.
Do you have any external drives connected to it?
It seems like some of the new hardware could require a couple of updated boot files but you say this Pi was working previously so that shouldn't be an issue.
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Do you have any external drives connected to it?
It seems like some of the new hardware could require a couple of updated boot files but you say this Pi was working previously so that shouldn't be an issue.
Do you mean an external USB drive? I do not have any of those connected. The connections are Cat5e, USB mouse, USB keyboard, HDMI monitor, USB C power, and that is it. When I first got it running, I used the menu to mount a NAS drive so it could build libraries and see the music files.
When I first powered up after installing the Micro SD card, I followed the instructions to enter the license key and that worked fine. Then I mounted the NAS, let it populate the library, and it was running.
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Do you mean an external USB drive? I do not have any of those connected. The connections are Cat5e, USB mouse, USB keyboard, HDMI monitor, USB C power, and that is it. When I first got it running, I used the menu to mount a NAS drive so it could build libraries and see the music files.
When I first powered up after installing the Micro SD card, I followed the instructions to enter the license key and that worked fine. Then I mounted the NAS, let it populate the library, and it was running.
Ok, thanks. I'm going to PM you.
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Ok, thanks. I'm going to PM you.
Not sure what you mean by PM
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I'm looking at using the JRiver Id as my DLNA device. Will this connect to the 5 GHZ Wireless of my router?
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I'm looking at using the JRiver Id as my DLNA device. Will this connect to the 5 GHZ Wireless of my router?
Yes it will.
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Yes it will.
Thanks! Sold - I cannot take the problems associated with slow speeds on the 2.4 ghz connection to my Sony SMP-200. It loses connection or starts to stutter. And, when it loses connection to JRiver that makes JRiver crash. I need a more organized backup for my library anyways and JRiver ID just looks perfect for my use-case.